Game 99 Open Thread- 19th July, 2008
by the red baron on Jul 19, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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Randy Wolf Col. Wellemeyer
6-9, 4.66 7-4, 4.04
It's entirely possible that Randy Wolf could be a POI- Pitcher of Interest- to the Cardinals. They've been interested in his services before, most notable two years ago, before he signed a deal to play for the Los Angeles Dodgers. With the Padres out of the running, the Cards could look to Wolf as a guy who could come in and help shore up the back end of the rotation. Of course, he does have a no trade clause to about 14 teams, I think, and seems pretty set on playing on the left coast, so that might be a little complicated. Personally, I say no thanks. I think we have internal options who could provide what Wolf does quite easily.
The big story to watch for today from Wellemeyer, in my opinion, has to be his disappearing slider. Ever since he came back from his elbow troubles, the slider simply hasn't been much of a weapon for the Colonel, unlike early this season. He had gotten by with just FB/SL the first couple of months, because both were just so dominating. Such has not been the case in more recent days. He did throw some encouraging spinners in his last outing, though, so maybe the feel for the pitch is coming back around. We can only hope.
Go Cards!
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no thanks on randy wolf
we have in-house options that can provide the same as what he has to offer, like you said.
as for wellemeyer, i really hope he has one of his better outings today. he really needs to get it going again.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
nevermind
we get matt vasgersian….the padres announcer? wtf?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure he's decent as a "neutral" national announcer...
but hearing him call games on the Padres’ network is painful. He gets a little over the top from time to time.
actually, you are correct
he’s pretty decent doing football games and college football for FOX. and come to think of it, dan and al have done a couple games for a national broadcast over the years.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
"theres only one october"
that slogan again this year. ugh.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
there is only one november
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Skippy and lefties
OMG….i knew it was bad, but i just looked it up. He has a .421 OPS against lefties this season.
thats beyond pathetic. Today is when Mather should be starting and Duncan should be in the minors.
Milt Thompson FTW!
wow
that’s just awful. this would’ve been a perfect day for crabman.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
longest lineup ever by the gonzalez brothers.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
only to be followed by an even longer one
courtesy of jack clark.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that was painful to watch
Especially when he got to Izturis: “one of the top shortstops in the game, always has been.”
riiiiiiight
he’s also very gay on ankiel.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we pound the crap out of Randy Wolf
so Mozeliak doesn’t even begin to think about that debacle.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
i hope we pound the crap out of him
just to pound the crap out of him.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i was about to say something. tlr needs to have a QUICK hook today. is thompson still back there in the ‘pen?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thompson isn't available today most likely
not sure who will be coming in in the 3rd when Wellemeyer inevitably gets yanked.
boo cubs, hooray beer
oh yeah
i forgot blooper sucked last night.
it’s probaly gunna have to be jiminez then.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't say embarass
that ball was slicing.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Shannon said it was hammered
almost like it was leaving the yard and then he said it sliced away from the CF.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It was hard hit and was slicing
but it was still a very very catchable ball for a major league center fielder. So much so that they gave Ankiel an error even though he never touched the ball.
boo cubs, hooray beer
shit
still some RA adventures the past couple of nights.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
very
glad it isnt just me, i dont trust my cpu
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
all you on gameday
i guess the cards game didn’t get shot to many people today?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
D-backs, Rockies
mostly. There are a lot of Dodger fans in town because the Dukes were their tripleA team, back in the day. I don’t think the Marlins have picked up a great many fans out here with the Isotopes, just yet. Too much territory between us and the mother team.
I wonder how his elbow is
he is wearing that sleeve now and seems to get no elevation on the ball.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
short on line drives the past 3 days.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert base hit to LF
on the ground. 2 on, 1 out.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
Glaus hits into FC
1st and 3rd, 2 outs.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
im rooting for gameday
as much as the cards, please work
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
or a mistake pitch homerun
he is good at that
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
something's not right
wellemeyer needs to come out before this game gets out of hand.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
"the glaus has been more than half full lately"
hahahahahaha.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you are an infielder
you have to fear for your life today. These balls are coming through the infield at 150 mph.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
i hope Jiminez learned something in last few weeks...
... either way, we’re gonna find out early in this one.
so who takes Welly’s roster spot when he goes on the DL? Boggs?
Randy WOOOF
haha, Moonman, you so crazy.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
i guess tlr is going to fight to get 'em through five.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
Why is he still in there when it's so obvious something is wrong with him?
Does TLR have no mercy at all?
boo cubs, hooray beer
You can't burn up the bullpen
without any off-days.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
if it gets to 7 or 8-zip
then i don’t care. he can leave ‘em in there but right now he needs to get ‘em outta there for the purpose of still being able to come back and win the game.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
like i said
he’s going to fight to get ‘em through the five innings.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
they said hes hitting 93-94
so its mechanichal
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
dammit
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i fail to see how he can hit 93-94
that he can be hurt?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Mulder was hitting 92
and couldn’t even rotate his shoulder.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
true
he def hasnt been himself since coming back, but as I said then he should have had a rehab start or two. Everytime a guy misses doesnt mean he’s hurt, but doesnt mean he is not either..Several on here had mentioned his approach looked “timid” since coming back..Im just thinking perhaps its mental..but then again he could be hurting very much
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
take 'em out NOW
so we can still come back.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
we aren't coming back
this is going to be a game where we give up double digit runs
the only option left in the pen to do long relief is Jimenez
boo cubs, hooray beer
jiminez
relief? haha
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
oh ye of little faith
we scored double digit runs last night.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
we can get 5
dont know if they socre much more
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it's important to understand
just how bad a defensive player he is—like epic, bad. He’d hit more than either Miles or Kennedy but there’s a reason he has so few major league PAs.
he looks hurt.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ballgame
This type of thing should never happen against a team like the Pads
even though Welly was getting absolutey shelled
but not against a AAA lineup
by buzzburton33 on Jul 19, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching this on game day ....Is it as bad as it looks?
Looks like the Colonel needs some time off…
mean c'mon Walking the pitcher and then pitching around a light hitting 2B to give up a dinger?"Why does he keep saying that?"
he's been ahead of 4
of 12 batters he’s faced. At least 2 of the 4 to whom he’s thrown first pitch strikes have hit the first pitch into play. I’m following on gameday but it seems pretty bad—worse yet that he’s been pretty bad in 5 of his last 6 starts.
like i said
he’s going to get through five whether you like it or not.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
might as well take one loss
than burn up our bullpen to take 2.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
sacrificing this game to the baseball gods
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
its ends bad for the grass too
getting their little green heads chopped shorter
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
atta boy welly!
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
do announcers focus this much on the heat
in other stadiums? Do the Diamondback commentators talk about anything else? I mean, okay, we understand, it’s hot. Move on.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
oh yea.
forgot.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be realistic
It’s Todd Wellemeyer. There’s a reason why he was thrown on the trash heap by the Royals. As good as he was in the first half, there have been far worse pitchers who have had better first halves than Welley. Part of him getting pounded is a regression to the mean, the other half is that his UCL is probably hanging on by about three fibers.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
I don't believe that this is regression
as has been pointed out here many times, he’s throwing many more strikes now than he did w/ the Royals or ever before. Even in the slump that he’s in, he’s throwing 63% of his pitches for strikes. He hasn’t reverted to form. There’s something else going on and I’m inclined to believe it is directly related to the sore elbow he’s experienced.
He’s also thrown more innings this year than in any previous major league season so that’s a concern as well but he’s not doing the same things he was doing before he arrived—throwing balls all the time and walking people (this game excepted).
yet was cruising til he got hurt
its either mechanical or hes still hurt. I dont buy your explanation
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Sorry I don't buy that
He was amazing, he got injured, now he sucks.
Logic would indicate that the injury is what has resulted in his current suckitude
boo cubs, hooray beer
Caleb Pfeiffer at BP
in today’s column referred to the Cards’ SS position as “the vortex of suck!” I think that’s hilarious!
in chi one yr on espn radio talkign about
the sox infield called it the festival of suck
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Actually correlation does not imply causation
I didn’t say that all of his problems were related to him regressing to the mean, but I do believe they are part of it. The other half is the fact that he’s probably going to need TJ surgery sooner rather than later. Causes can be multifold.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 19, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking Great today!
Course, I just turned it on and saw three pitches…one of the the play by Glaus. What’d you guys do while I was gone, I see they got 5. :)
I gotta think that Welley is experiencing what happened to Loop last year.
He seems worn out. All I’m watching is gameday but I get the feeling his arm is tired.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
Just tuned in
and it looks like Welly has his usual nasty nast working already!
You have to wonder if it may be a little more than fatigue
his breaking pitches have just been flat his last few starts, almost looks like a mechanical issue
My only hope is that when Skip steps in against LHP
he only makes 1 out, not 1.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
It was him or Duncan
I stick with Skip, personally
by voltronchris on Jul 19, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and the 130 something against lefties
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
True, I forgot that Barton is injured
Bring up Mather and put Wellemeyer on the DL then stop playing Skip against LHP
boo cubs, hooray beer
Mather was up!
But they sent him down when they thought they needed an extra pitcher. We do need another righty outfielder BAD though
by voltronchris on Jul 19, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
are you kidding?
chris duncan is avalible. duh.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Those burger king hot zone things are pretty cool.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
yeah
.684 up in the middle of the zone? wow.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 19, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
A stat to make everyone feel better
Kosuke Fukudome since May 5th: .241 .348 .356.
Fukudome on the year: .276 .379 .403
Skip Schumaker: .294 .358 .428
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Yea, atleast we aren't stuck paying Skip a ridiculous contract like the Cubs are playing fukudome
boo cubs, hooray beer
they are paying
for the name…its just fun to say
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I was reading some stuff about Ichiro the other day
and it turns out that he’s been only marginally better than Skip this year.
id still take Ichiro
as long as the MS pay that contract
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Wonder how Padres fans feel now?
When they lost out on the Fukudome sweepstakes to the Cubs, they were pretty devastated.
but thats not the way you put it
you said his garbage and sad…even though wolf has had a decent yr..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
So, are we just not making a trade this year?
Seems like that should have happened/gotten started by now.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
They usually wait til the last minute anyway, don't they?
by voltronchris on Jul 19, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like we should have at least HEARD something...
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
its the same thing
the last few yrs.. be mentioned in the big names, and either stand pat or go dumpster diving.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
well
I’m glad Tony stuck w/ Wellemeyer. We need to get some innings from him and maybe he’s settled down.
Looks like he's settled down.
Don’t look now, but he was even throwing an effective slider that half inning.
Great
now he’ll get another start instead of spending much needed time on the DL getting his arm fixed
boo cubs, hooray beer
Don't you think if there was a health issue
Dave Duncan would take him out?
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he was taken out after less than an inning in his last start.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that he even started that game
is what i’m talking about.
If his shoulder was in such disarray that he couldn’t get through 3 batters, he shouldn’t of even started the game.
boo cubs, hooray beer
agreed.
But they did take him out. My point was, that if there was something seriously wrong with Welly, they’d take him out. Seems like he has since gotten better. So, maybe he just had the jitters first inning. It happened to Lohse just a few days ago. Granted, Welly’s pitches were worse.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's an injury
Just think he’s out of whack and not trusting his stuff. Mental things that can get straightened out in the middle of a game. I’m guessing he’s got it back, but we’ll see over the next few innings.
15 of 20 pitches
thrown by Wellemeyer the last 2 innings have been strikes—big change from the 1st 2.
What's more infuriating?
That Randy Wolf is dominating us or that he is increasing his standing with our FO with every pitch?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
C'mon Iz2...
you’re batting righty…get it done. We need a run on the board.
and as I type this…damn, lineout to 2nd.
good
play to your strengths
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no. one out. Skip walked.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 19, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
wellemeyer
why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that he’s “obviously” hurt? couldn’t it be that maybe….just maybe….he’s coming down to earth? or perhaps he’s just slumping? pitchers can slump, too.
why is he slumping if he's not hurt?
as I said earlier, he’s still throwing strikes at the same rate he did earlier in the year. Is it bad luck - a high BABIP? I’ll look it up. HR’s up? I don’t think so but I’ll check. The only thing I’ve found is that he’s throwing fewer FBs than earlier in the year - strange for someone w/ a sore elbow.
But let’s be honest - he stinks and says his elbow hurts. They rest him and 4 of his next 5 starts are not good at all - 2 were terrible. There’s reason to be suspicious re: the elbow.
he can't slump and not be hurt?
people go into slumps all the time and aren’t injured. it’s baseball. and we’re talking about todd wellemeyer here…...who’s had like 3 mos of good baseball in his career….and it happens to be the last 3 months lol. i appreciate the great start, but expecting it to stay that way was being a little over hopeful. hopefully, he comes back around.
I miss our pitcher
that can be used as pinch hitter
.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
Do the Padres
always swing at this many first pitches? Is it possible Wellemeyer’s tipping his pitches?
I was working the blender, but what I saw of him looked good again in that inning. From gameday, he pitched carefully to Giles and had some pretty good borderline pitches. (Not the last one, though).
i feel strangely optimistic about this game.
as long as we get 2 runs this inning.
i think we can do it.
welley will lead off with a HR…
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
if we can get Wellemeyer
through 7 (possible at the rate he’s going), I’d consider it quite an accomplishment considering the way it started. Win expectancy’s at around 7% so I’m not at all optimistic we’ll win, but this could have turned out worse (he says, afraid of angering the baseball gods).
win expectancy can eat me.
i watched the pirates game last saturday.
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
On a pitch like that
I miss Vina.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
The sad thing is
with as bad as Welle pitched….
If Ankiel makes that catch in CF and Brendan Ryan doesn’t botch a DP
This is a 0-0 game still.
boo cubs, hooray beer
yay
giants up 2-1 on brewers.
i really like that jonathan sanchez kid for the giants.
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
wow.
Is he miked? That was really audible.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
No, Randy Wolf
apparently doesn’t know that Skippy can’t hit LHP.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a walk
Thanks Randy Wolf! That’s wore than walking the pitcher.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Presto!!!!!
Wellemeyer’s BABIP’s by month:
April - .274
May - .228 (ridiculously low, untenably low!)
June - .311
July - .374 (ridiculously high, untenably high!!!!)
Maybe he’s tipping his pitches. There seems to be a lot of bad luck. Maybe there is some reason for optimism.
well , that's good to see
still not convinced he’s healthy, but maybe there is something to those stats
boo cubs, hooray beer
Find it a little hard to believe
Will the Thrill and Jimmy Ballgame taught Pujols the fine art of picking that sort of thing up. If a Cardinal pitcher were doing it, I think we’d know it before anyone else.
Loaded for Albert
Right where the Padres want him!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 19, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
albert
is he still hitting .000 with bases loaded this year?
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
whew
i had the shoelaces ready
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 19, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
slump
with bases loaded over
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
oh, god...
Good bye fingernails.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
I'm glad he's on our side.
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
gameday was so far behind
had to really wait for the good news
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
haha
ya right theres always a few..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Come on Santa
We’ve been good!
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
overflow link
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2008/7/19/574814/game-99-overflow#comments
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
Is that Randy Wolf or Kip Wells?
Maybe wolf just lost that competetive spirit being up by five, so he decided to do a Wells implosion to make things a bit more interesting.
wellemeyer's ok now?
i guess he’s not hurt now that he’s been coasting for the last few innings, eh?
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