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Game 97 Open Thread: July 17 2008

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San Diego Padres @ St. Louis Cardinals


peavy lohse
7-5, 2.47 11-2, 3.39

somehow it has escaped everyone's notice that nick stavinoha, the lone st louis farmhand in last night's triple A all-star game, launched a 9th-inning comeback for the PCL stars. with his team down 2-0, he led off with a single against blaine neal (an olympic team pitcher) and came around to score the first of 6 PCL runs in the inning. milwaukee prospect luis pena pert near blew it in the bottom of the 9th, giving up 3 runs but hanging on to close out a 6-5 PCL win. way to go, nick.

jake peavy is one of only 3 pitchers who has a cumulative ERA under 3.00 over the last 5 years, ie since the beginning of 2004 (minimum 50 starts). the other two are roger clemens and johan santana. chris carpenter ranks 4th on that list, with a 3.15 overall ERA; smoltz, sheets, harden, halladay, zambrano, and webb round out the top 10.

if he wins his next 2 decisions, lohse will have 10 Ws in a row. anybody know the last st louis pitcher to achieve that? (i don't know the answer . . . . )

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For those with Extra Innings from InDemand

tonight, for some reason, we get the home and away feeds of all games (just like DirectTV) except the Cardinals game.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:01 PM EDT   0 recs

i think it's because our game is in HD

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

InDemand EI

hates Padres broadcasts for some reason. their home broadcasts are rarely ever shown. it also doesn’t show the A’s home broadcasts much, either.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 17, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also doesn't show WGN

which despite being a local network is nationally broadcast.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also

looking at the rest of the July schedule, it looks like InDemand is going to continue to offer “dual feeds” for the rest of the year whenever there are free channels. good news for us cable chumps.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 17, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gibby won 12 straight games

from June 2, 1968 to July 30, 1968.

I’m not checking anyone else. :D

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:03 PM EDT   0 recs

Ok, I lied

I did check.

Gibby won 10 straight from May 23, 1970 to July 5, 1970.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And 11 straight

from May 25, 1972 to Jul 21, 1972.

Apparently, you didn’t want to catch Gibby from late May until late July.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tudor, 1985.

Not checking. Just guessing.

by Youneverknow on Jul 17, 2008 7:03 PM EDT   0 recs

I think

the question allows for non-decisions along the way, and Tudor did win 11 straight decisions - his last 11 of the year - in 1985. He went from 10-8 to 21-8.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=tudorjo01&t=p&year=1985

by DCGreg on Jul 17, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, well...if that is the case

then I’d say Carpenter in 2005 winning 13 straight without a loss.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

woulda been

my guess also

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Carp won 8 straight

in 2005, then took a no-decision pitching 8 innings in a game we won 5-3 on a 9th inning Eckstein grand slam…then won his next 2 starts.

Then he took another no decision, pitching 8 innings in a game we won 5-4 on a 5 run 9th inning. He then won his next 4 starts.

So, if he could have gone 1 more inning in each of those 2 games, he have won 16 straight.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Line ups

Cardinals

Schumaker rf
Miles 2b
Pujols 1b
Ankiel cf
Glaus 3b
Duncan lf
Molina c
Lohse p
Izturis ss

Padres

Gerut cf
E. Gonzalez 2b
Giles rf
A.Gonzalez 1b
Kouzmanoff 3b
Headley lf
Greene ss
Carlin c
Peavy p

by Evilfrog on Jul 17, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm fine with that.....

I’ve already seen the whining about Duncan/Lud and Miles in the other thread. Doubt any of those people looked up each batters’ success against Peavy. Doubt any of those people know if Luddy maybe wasn’t feeling great. I’m sure the ASG for a 1st timer, can be exhausting. Who knows. I know that TLR is right more than he is wrong when he does stuff like this though. And Duncan is hot. Heck, might even be show casing him some.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 17, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Miles.....

Hits Peavy pretty well. 3-10, and obp of nearly .400.

Neither Luddy or Duncan have many AB’s against him, but Duncan has slightly better numbers. Probably just playing the odds. I don’t know the lefty/righty split for Peavy.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 17, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

neither Ludwick nor Duncan

have many AB’s and yet you’re getting excited about Miles b/c he has 10 whole AB’s against him? 10 AB’s is nothing.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The whinning

I was the only person that said anything and I wasn’t whinning. But, please, continue your arrogant tone. It hasn’t become grating yet in the least.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Blah, blah.....

And thinking YOU know the lineup that should be played everynight, over a HOF manager, is silly. 9 out of 10 nights, you have a complaint. Talk about grating.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nailed it

You are very good at this!

I can see the lineup criticism is a pet peeve of yours, you’ve made the negative comments about other’s opinions on the matter 6 out of 7 times a week but try not to be so smug about it. This is a community, online be that it may, and we all have different opinions. No need to dismiss other people’s opinions as ‘arm chair managing’, ‘whining’, etc.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 17, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's hard not too.....

When all you do is take digs at TLR. You may not agree with everything he does, but he a) has a reason, and b) has been pretty darn good at winning games. If you feel the need to suggest TLR is incompetent every day when the lineups come out, I’m probably going to feel the need to call you on it. Not like I’m calling you an idiot. I just said it gets old.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

since it was asked about...

Cards that hit Peavy well (.750+ OPS) are:
Glaus 1.334
Pujols 1.241
Miles 1.064
Duncan .750

The first three have double digit at bats against Peavy, Duncan has had success in only 4 at bats.

Padres that hit Lohse well are:
Khalil Greene 1.000
Jake Peavy 1.000
Jody Gerut .967
Brian Giles .804

Only Gerut has more than 7 at bats vs. Lohse out of those four people, at 25.

by stlfan on Jul 17, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What ingredients make up a ludwich?

Rye or wheat?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 17, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

To get lefties in the lineup against Peavy, I'd imagine

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on Jul 17, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Phillies acquire Joe Blanton

The Phillies have reached an agreement with the Oakland Athletics to acquire right-handed pitcher Joe Blanton. Blanton is 5-12 this season after going 14-10 with a 3.95 ERA last season.

The Athletics get second baseman Adrian Cardenas, pitcher Josh Outman and outfielder Matthew Spencer, all minor leaguers.

http://tinyurl.com/5m6oeb

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 17, 2008 7:30 PM EDT   0 recs

By the lack of comments

You guys are unimpressed as I am. The only thing Blanton is leading the league in is losses

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 17, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Most intriguing thing to me

Maybe the A’s will let Outman go back to his old delivery. It was something to behold.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

With acquiring Patterson than Cardenas

It makes it pretty clear the A’s will not be pursuing Ellis next year.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 17, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hopefully we won't be either

Not impressed by Ellis in the slightest.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 17, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd prefer not to have another defensive specialist in the middle infield

i’ll take someone who can actually hit.

I fail to see how Mark Ellis is much of an improvement over Adam Kennedy.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ellis

while having a down year still has been a much better hitter than Kennedy and he’s definitely better defensively. He’s also a year and a half younger than Kennedy. It’s not a huge upgrade, but he is definitely better than both Miles and Kennedy.

I’m not advocating for him. In fact, I’m really starting to warm to the idea of trading for Grudzielanek, but Ellis is most definitely better than Adam Kennedy.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I think trading for grudz would be a great move.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 17, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he's got a lot more power

and he hits RH. He’d be worth about 2-3 wins over kennedy offensively in a season, if both hit like his career average, and 4 or 5 if AK hits like he did last year (and through May of this year) and we wouldn’t lose much in terms of defense. Platooned with AK he could be worth even more.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 17, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sounds like Billy Beane

did quite well for a pretty average SP.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Again

you have to wonder what we could get for Lohse. If only Wainwright and Carpenter were 100% healthy, it wouldn’t even be a question in dealing him.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or Looper

and re-sign lohse.

If only carpenter had had his TJ surgery in April…

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 17, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you really think

we could get much for Looper? I just don’t. Maybe I’m wrong, though we’re not even going to find out. If you’re right, we should take it and run.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We probably couldn't do as well for Lohse

Blanton isn’t a FA till after 2010. Lohse would be a rental.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's all a matter of durability

Even though this is only his second season as a starting pitcher, he can give you reliable innings as a #5 guy. If Joe Blanton netted the returns he did, imagine what Looper could get.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he may be a better pitcher than blanton

right now, but I didn’t realize blanton was signed for 2 more years, which makes blanton more valuable (unless he’s hurt).

Still, he should be on the market. I can’t believe the Phillies traded Cardenas for Blanton, PLUS 2 other guys.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 17, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just don't see

Looper as having much trade value. Lohse, yes. Blanton, yes (for the reason you state). But I can’t see getting much, if anything, for Looper.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

baseball and music

I’m a huge fan of the ancient punk/metal/experimental band The Melvins. I just found a quote from the main man, King Buzzo: “I pretty much love baseball and could care less about watching all other sports. Sabermetrics changed my outlook on baseball and made me love it even more. It’s pretty much right on as far as I can tell.”

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:32 PM EDT   0 recs

True for me

It made me love stats which kind of pushed me into getting a minor in Statistics in college which I used in my Econ degree.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 17, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's funny

I didn’t even know about sabermetrics until this season. no one seems to talk about it much besides on here. I take it fangraphs is the way to go to learn more about it?

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Im not a big Sabermetrics fan

But I do like the Melvins.

by Evilfrog on Jul 17, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the Melvins are good stuff

especially if you get what they are doing. I’ve seen them live at least 6 times, and each time is kinda different

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

read

Baseball Between the Numbers and The Book. Read sites like Baseball Prospectus (subscription required) and The Hardball Times (free).

Fangraphs is unbelievable for numbers but it doesn’t have a ton of analysis. You’ll get the info but not the explanations behind the info. Use it, but use the others for learning.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

cool, thanks man

I’ll get one of those books and check out the free site. the only baseball books I’ve read were when I was much younger, the Bob Gibson biography and ‘White Rat’

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw The Melvins once at NIU

Opened up for Primus in the Duke Ellington Ballroom. Can’t say I remember a single thing about The Melvins, though.

by Tackle Box on Jul 17, 2008 11:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why

is brian barden not being called up? There is no way he would hit any worse than any of our shortstops.

by carc13 on Jul 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT   0 recs

that's awesome

i had no idea. What a great opportunity for him.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 17, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

terrible defensively

though I can’t imagine he’s any worse than Miles at shortstop.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 17, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Terrible?

Player+PO+A++E+DP+FP+RfG
Barden+131+226+11+56+.970+4.35
CIzturis+82+199+8+37+.972+4.63

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Barden's not a SS

he can play there in a pinch (and probably better than Miles) but he’s not an everyday SS.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't disagree

but I don’t think his defense would make him that much less valuable than Izturis, even if in a platoon when you factor in how much better he is offensively.

The problem is, you can’t platoon these two as they both hit LHP. I mean, Barden is an improvement over Izturis vs RHP but not a world beater.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the problem is

we’ve got so many of these utility guys who do a little of this and are terrible at that, and we’re trying to mix-and-match to make it work. We’ve got 4-5 guys right now doing the work of two. It would be nice to have a legitimate 2B and SS as starters.

by chuckb on Jul 17, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You ain't kidding

I’d settle for Grudz at 2B, Izturis at SS, Ryan and Miles as the utility IF’ers.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kennedy is better than Miles once you factor in defense...

Kennedy has actually been above average according to Dial over at BBTF…

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 17, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and the 150 OPS+ in July so far has helped

he’s all the way up to low 80’s in season OPS+ now, which is remarkable considering how slow he started. it would be huge if he kept it up 2 more months (or 3!)

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A bit more flexibility yes

But give me the better player. Especially when there’d be a righty counterpart in Ryan.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 17, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Revenge game for Edgar Gonzalez?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 17, 2008 8:00 PM EDT   0 recs

About as revenge worthy as OJ looking for the real killers

To use a Bill Simmons joke.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT