Game 97 Open Thread: July 17 2008
by lboros on Jul 17, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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PrintSan Diego Padres at St. Louis Cardinals, Jul 17, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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somehow it has escaped everyone's notice that nick stavinoha, the lone st louis farmhand in last night's triple A all-star game, launched a 9th-inning comeback for the PCL stars. with his team down 2-0, he led off with a single against blaine neal (an olympic team pitcher) and came around to score the first of 6 PCL runs in the inning. milwaukee prospect luis pena pert near blew it in the bottom of the 9th, giving up 3 runs but hanging on to close out a 6-5 PCL win. way to go, nick.
jake peavy is one of only 3 pitchers who has a cumulative ERA under 3.00 over the last 5 years, ie since the beginning of 2004 (minimum 50 starts). the other two are roger clemens and johan santana. chris carpenter ranks 4th on that list, with a 3.15 overall ERA; smoltz, sheets, harden, halladay, zambrano, and webb round out the top 10.
if he wins his next 2 decisions, lohse will have 10 Ws in a row. anybody know the last st louis pitcher to achieve that? (i don't know the answer . . . . )
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For those with Extra Innings from InDemand
tonight, for some reason, we get the home and away feeds of all games (just like DirectTV) except the Cardinals game.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
i think it's because our game is in HD
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
InDemand EI
hates Padres broadcasts for some reason. their home broadcasts are rarely ever shown. it also doesn’t show the A’s home broadcasts much, either.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Also doesn't show WGN
which despite being a local network is nationally broadcast.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
also
looking at the rest of the July schedule, it looks like InDemand is going to continue to offer “dual feeds” for the rest of the year whenever there are free channels. good news for us cable chumps.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Gibby won 12 straight games
from June 2, 1968 to July 30, 1968.
I’m not checking anyone else. :D
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
Ok, I lied
I did check.
Gibby won 10 straight from May 23, 1970 to July 5, 1970.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And 11 straight
from May 25, 1972 to Jul 21, 1972.
Apparently, you didn’t want to catch Gibby from late May until late July.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
that's why he's my favorite player of all time
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
the question allows for non-decisions along the way, and Tudor did win 11 straight decisions - his last 11 of the year - in 1985. He went from 10-8 to 21-8.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=tudorjo01&t=p&year=1985
Oh, well...if that is the case
then I’d say Carpenter in 2005 winning 13 straight without a loss.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp won 8 straight
in 2005, then took a no-decision pitching 8 innings in a game we won 5-3 on a 9th inning Eckstein grand slam…then won his next 2 starts.
Then he took another no decision, pitching 8 innings in a game we won 5-4 on a 5 run 9th inning. He then won his next 4 starts.
So, if he could have gone 1 more inning in each of those 2 games, he have won 16 straight.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
Line ups
Cardinals
Schumaker rf
Miles 2b
Pujols 1b
Ankiel cf
Glaus 3b
Duncan lf
Molina c
Lohse p
Izturis ss
Padres
Gerut cf
E. Gonzalez 2b
Giles rf
A.Gonzalez 1b
Kouzmanoff 3b
Headley lf
Greene ss
Carlin c
Peavy p
I'm fine with that.....
I’ve already seen the whining about Duncan/Lud and Miles in the other thread. Doubt any of those people looked up each batters’ success against Peavy. Doubt any of those people know if Luddy maybe wasn’t feeling great. I’m sure the ASG for a 1st timer, can be exhausting. Who knows. I know that TLR is right more than he is wrong when he does stuff like this though. And Duncan is hot. Heck, might even be show casing him some.
Miles.....
Hits Peavy pretty well. 3-10, and obp of nearly .400.
Neither Luddy or Duncan have many AB’s against him, but Duncan has slightly better numbers. Probably just playing the odds. I don’t know the lefty/righty split for Peavy.
Just imagine if Duncan closes his eyes and runs into one of Peavy's fastballs
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boom!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
neither Ludwick nor Duncan
have many AB’s and yet you’re getting excited about Miles b/c he has 10 whole AB’s against him? 10 AB’s is nothing.
The whinning
I was the only person that said anything and I wasn’t whinning. But, please, continue your arrogant tone. It hasn’t become grating yet in the least.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Blah, blah.....
And thinking YOU know the lineup that should be played everynight, over a HOF manager, is silly. 9 out of 10 nights, you have a complaint. Talk about grating.
Nailed it
You are very good at this!
I can see the lineup criticism is a pet peeve of yours, you’ve made the negative comments about other’s opinions on the matter 6 out of 7 times a week but try not to be so smug about it. This is a community, online be that it may, and we all have different opinions. No need to dismiss other people’s opinions as ‘arm chair managing’, ‘whining’, etc.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hard not too.....
When all you do is take digs at TLR. You may not agree with everything he does, but he a) has a reason, and b) has been pretty darn good at winning games. If you feel the need to suggest TLR is incompetent every day when the lineups come out, I’m probably going to feel the need to call you on it. Not like I’m calling you an idiot. I just said it gets old.
Don't put words in my mouth
I never said he was incompetent.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Jul 17, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
since it was asked about...
Cards that hit Peavy well (.750+ OPS) are:
Glaus 1.334
Pujols 1.241
Miles 1.064
Duncan .750
The first three have double digit at bats against Peavy, Duncan has had success in only 4 at bats.
Padres that hit Lohse well are:
Khalil Greene 1.000
Jake Peavy 1.000
Jody Gerut .967
Brian Giles .804
Only Gerut has more than 7 at bats vs. Lohse out of those four people, at 25.
What ingredients make up a ludwich?
Rye or wheat?
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To get lefties in the lineup against Peavy, I'd imagine
"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."
Phillies acquire Joe Blanton
The Phillies have reached an agreement with the Oakland Athletics to acquire right-handed pitcher Joe Blanton. Blanton is 5-12 this season after going 14-10 with a 3.95 ERA last season.
The Athletics get second baseman Adrian Cardenas, pitcher Josh Outman and outfielder Matthew Spencer, all minor leaguers.
By the lack of comments
You guys are unimpressed as I am. The only thing Blanton is leading the league in is losses
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 17, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Most intriguing thing to me
Maybe the A’s will let Outman go back to his old delivery. It was something to behold.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
With acquiring Patterson than Cardenas
It makes it pretty clear the A’s will not be pursuing Ellis next year.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 17, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer not to have another defensive specialist in the middle infield
i’ll take someone who can actually hit.
I fail to see how Mark Ellis is much of an improvement over Adam Kennedy.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Ellis
while having a down year still has been a much better hitter than Kennedy and he’s definitely better defensively. He’s also a year and a half younger than Kennedy. It’s not a huge upgrade, but he is definitely better than both Miles and Kennedy.
I’m not advocating for him. In fact, I’m really starting to warm to the idea of trading for Grudzielanek, but Ellis is most definitely better than Adam Kennedy.
he's got a lot more power
and he hits RH. He’d be worth about 2-3 wins over kennedy offensively in a season, if both hit like his career average, and 4 or 5 if AK hits like he did last year (and through May of this year) and we wouldn’t lose much in terms of defense. Platooned with AK he could be worth even more.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
Again
you have to wonder what we could get for Lohse. If only Wainwright and Carpenter were 100% healthy, it wouldn’t even be a question in dealing him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
or Looper
and re-sign lohse.
If only carpenter had had his TJ surgery in April…
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
Do you really think
we could get much for Looper? I just don’t. Maybe I’m wrong, though we’re not even going to find out. If you’re right, we should take it and run.
We probably couldn't do as well for Lohse
Blanton isn’t a FA till after 2010. Lohse would be a rental.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
It's all a matter of durability
Even though this is only his second season as a starting pitcher, he can give you reliable innings as a #5 guy. If Joe Blanton netted the returns he did, imagine what Looper could get.
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he may be a better pitcher than blanton
right now, but I didn’t realize blanton was signed for 2 more years, which makes blanton more valuable (unless he’s hurt).
Still, he should be on the market. I can’t believe the Phillies traded Cardenas for Blanton, PLUS 2 other guys.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
I just don't see
Looper as having much trade value. Lohse, yes. Blanton, yes (for the reason you state). But I can’t see getting much, if anything, for Looper.
baseball and music
I’m a huge fan of the ancient punk/metal/experimental band The Melvins. I just found a quote from the main man, King Buzzo: “I pretty much love baseball and could care less about watching all other sports. Sabermetrics changed my outlook on baseball and made me love it even more. It’s pretty much right on as far as I can tell.”
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
True for me
It made me love stats which kind of pushed me into getting a minor in Statistics in college which I used in my Econ degree.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 17, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it's funny
I didn’t even know about sabermetrics until this season. no one seems to talk about it much besides on here. I take it fangraphs is the way to go to learn more about it?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
the Melvins are good stuff
especially if you get what they are doing. I’ve seen them live at least 6 times, and each time is kinda different
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
read
Baseball Between the Numbers and The Book. Read sites like Baseball Prospectus (subscription required) and The Hardball Times (free).
Fangraphs is unbelievable for numbers but it doesn’t have a ton of analysis. You’ll get the info but not the explanations behind the info. Use it, but use the others for learning.
cool, thanks man
I’ll get one of those books and check out the free site. the only baseball books I’ve read were when I was much younger, the Bob Gibson biography and ‘White Rat’
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw The Melvins once at NIU
Opened up for Primus in the Duke Ellington Ballroom. Can’t say I remember a single thing about The Melvins, though.
Why
is brian barden not being called up? There is no way he would hit any worse than any of our shortstops.
that's awesome
i had no idea. What a great opportunity for him.
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
terrible defensively
though I can’t imagine he’s any worse than Miles at shortstop.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Terrible?
Player+PO+A++E+DP+FP+RfG
Barden+131+226+11+56+.970+4.35
CIzturis+82+199+8+37+.972+4.63
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Barden's not a SS
he can play there in a pinch (and probably better than Miles) but he’s not an everyday SS.
I don't disagree
but I don’t think his defense would make him that much less valuable than Izturis, even if in a platoon when you factor in how much better he is offensively.
The problem is, you can’t platoon these two as they both hit LHP. I mean, Barden is an improvement over Izturis vs RHP but not a world beater.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem is
we’ve got so many of these utility guys who do a little of this and are terrible at that, and we’re trying to mix-and-match to make it work. We’ve got 4-5 guys right now doing the work of two. It would be nice to have a legitimate 2B and SS as starters.
You ain't kidding
I’d settle for Grudz at 2B, Izturis at SS, Ryan and Miles as the utility IF’ers.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Kennedy is better than Miles once you factor in defense...
Kennedy has actually been above average according to Dial over at BBTF…
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
and the 150 OPS+ in July so far has helped
he’s all the way up to low 80’s in season OPS+ now, which is remarkable considering how slow he started. it would be huge if he kept it up 2 more months (or 3!)
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
I'd think Miles would get the edge as a bench player
who can switch hit and do so by hitting well from both sides.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
A bit more flexibility yes
But give me the better player. Especially when there’d be a righty counterpart in Ryan.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Revenge game for Edgar Gonzalez?
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About as revenge worthy as OJ looking for the real killers
To use a Bill Simmons joke.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Is this a free preview week?
Because Extra Innings is doing that crap they do during the beginning of the season.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
Damn it Hardcore
You got my hopes up!
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It is a free preview week
I’m sorry if you aren’t getting it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Are you on DirecTV? I have Charter
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No
I’m on Comcast. I’m getting the free preview even though I already pay for it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
god i hate steak and shake commercials so much
give me baseball
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Morning, guys. Bad news from Bangkok - some sort of religious holiday - bars shut down, and girls behind lock and key for next two days. Need some good news here. Let's go Birds
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i love watching albert and yadi work together on the pickoff
its beautiful
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going to have to come back
and win tonight
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It's always a good thing to spot Jake Peavy a run
before he even takes the hill.
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hopeless Jake is just as rusty :)
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Crap - KL been behind every batter. Now team behind, too
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can't locate anything
besides the heater.
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ouch
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
At this rate we'll be in the pen in the 4th. Not excactly what I had in mind
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im sure lohse will get it together
we need him
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
why are there only 4 MLB games today?
after 3 days off?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
I'd rather see Miles leadoff
and Skip bat second
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
If Miles played baseball 40 feet up in the air
I swear he could hit the ball and make it come back to him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
it's going to be a long
loooooooooooooong night
is it just me, or is the all star break getting shorter & shorter? i dont know about you, but i really could have used another day or two off.
and from the looks of it, so could Lohse
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or maybe Lohse didn't need any time off
he was on a roll
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Santana getting roughed up in Cincy - two homeruns, 3 in and two on base
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Ankiel = completely overmatched
i’m surprised he even made contact with one pitch.
boo cubs, hooray beer
didn't swing at a strike
until the fifth pitch
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Rick would be so freaking dangerious
if he ever stopped laying off the junk in the dirt
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You think it would be better to swing at it?
Or was that a typo?
big time typo
i’m so off my game right now its not even funny
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and one run may be all Peavy needs
I don’t think he’s given up a run in his past 2 starts
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Wow
That’s a nice development
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cool
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Peavy owns Lohse
another hit
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+1
if he doesn’t make it, maybe we need bonds and clemens!
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
best place to do it
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
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Do we still have strings on McGwire? Might be able to talk Canseco out of retirement while we're at it.
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Since I'm counting on him to be the closer
in August, September and October…we’d have to get a reliever if he has a setback.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought they said that they are preparing him for starting
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They probably are
I’m just gunshy about counting on starters to actually return and start.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How does he hit Jake Peavy?
I just don’t get it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
that's why baseball is the best sport
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Santa Glaus is coming to town
way to tie it up big fella
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XLNT
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neither does jake
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
GLAUS!!!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
with the limited numbers
Duncan actually had a slight edge against Peavy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus is inching ever so closer to .300
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the season is like a mountain to him
he just keeps on climbing it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
don't count on it
He’s not a .300 hitter
I’m just glad his power #’s are on track to his career norms
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I just added him to my fantasy team
he was a FA for some reason. I can use him as a utility guy since I have Longoria starting (and yes, I did pick him during the draft).
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
TG has added surprisingly good D as well. Trade has worked well for Birds. Has Rolen done much in Toronto? Stats are ambiguous
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EVG is a darn good hitter
People just didn’t think he could play second base in the major leagues (which he seems to be doing quite well…)
"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere
lohse
having a reality check i’m afraid
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
no crooked numbers either
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not an 11-2 pitcher
so “things” are likely to catch up with him the second half
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
please provide your reasoning behind this
other than him “not being an 11-2 pitcher”
He hasn’t been lucky this year, so it’s not like he’s due for a collapse.
boo cubs, hooray beer
What exactly is an "11-2 pitcher" anyways?
Peavy is a 7-5 pitcher, you’d rather have Lohse than him?
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11-2 linearly projects to 22-4
no big deal, it just seems to me he won’t end up at 22-4. more no decisions and more losses seems most likely. and yes, i’d rather have JP.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
he starts slow sometimes
he’ll lock in next inning. but yeah, he’s due to not win soon
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, well why can't soon be november?
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mother of ass
revenge game indeed
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Gonzalez family using gris gris againt Lohse today. Need an exorcism
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gee thank FSN for pimping that stupid golf tournment
because of that i have no idea what Albert just did, but i know it was good
keep up the good work boys*
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we needed that DP
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
Nice - Koumanoff didn't run. Don't know that I've ever know of an unassisted 3 DP on a ground ball.
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he prob couldnt tell
if it was a liner or not
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Bonds was on the Cardinals in 1990?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
haha
i was thinking the same thing
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
briefly - didn't have anything left - like his kid today.
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I assume you mean 1980
because that was a typo by FSN.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
happy birthday?
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Just watched the video of Glaus' HR
Terrible pitch by Peavy. Glaus is a professional hitter, he’ll murder that pitch every time.
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where's westcoast...
to argue that “professional hitter” descriptor?
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Wait for it...wait for it...
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Santa -- 11 for his last 14
absolutely on fire as Marv Albert would say
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holy god what a play by miles
i can barely believe it
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damn, Mni Me flashed the leather & arm right there
good play. damn good play
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Crap - have lost audio. What happened?
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And Pujols leads off another inning
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Thanks - in Cincy Tatis just hit a 2-run homer to put Mets on top and Cueto on the bench
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there was something in the air that night, the stars where bright
Fernando hit it long into the night
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that NYM win streak
is becoming worrisome.
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More worrisome for the Phillies than us
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and the replay of pitch by pitch
had music from waynes world 2 in it
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
dang it this blog is always faster than
mlbtv..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Wa an (Thai for "sweet"
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yup
me too
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
wowowow
back to back, did not think we could jack this many dongs on jake
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holy crap!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
crap, they're hitting them faster than i can type
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Peavy == completely overmatched
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“ON FIRE”
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i dont liek that nick name
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Glaus Claus
that better?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't someone say a slump
was coming on?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think it was me
i have him on my fantasy team and have for a bit..
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wa an wa an
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At this rate Albert will be fourth on the team in HRs.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 17, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
wow
apparently im not the only one with a matheny theory on rick
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
i always htought what they are saying
and seemed like the only one..carlos hernandez sucked
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Ha
I meant the one before, but I did get excited that one might be out!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
now you know that just isn't possible
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the reason glaus hit 2 out
hes sitting by grit
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Nice Yadi, be nice to send Peavy to the showers early . . .
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making him work--good job, guys
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Troy Glaus
vs Cubs: 0 for 24.
vs rest of World: 94 for 311 (.303)
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
so, odds on having 4 Cards w/30 HRs?
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Bet the farm
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only 1 year i think
reminds me of Brian Barden this year
Guy is raking and his defense is keeping him from getting a shot.
boo cubs, hooray beer
what the hell is up with these quick half innings?
they’re like 1min long. wtf?
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doesnt bother me
i hate the victor martinez commercial
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
when you're trying to catch up on other games
and make a bathroom/fridge/ run, it gets annoying
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Ok, how does Brian Giles know
we are going to throw it in off the plate 4 feet? He’s jumping all over pitches in his back pocket.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Knock on Edgar G at Memphis was lousy D. Hinders anyone (not named Duncan)
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All three pitches that we hit for HRs were just begging to be destroyed
Peavy is better than that
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Maybe he has a broken rib again
or some other made up injury.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah those thrashings made me think we had owned Peavy in his career
Quite the opposite actually, a sub-3 ERA against us all-time, and I assume that includes those games.
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doesnt kip wells pitches move a lot as well?
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I assume it's still from his blood clot from earlier this season
Could be wrong though
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Thats right.
Hadn’t thought about him in so long.
by chicagocardfan on Jul 17, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
me neither
i just remember Dave & Tony saying one of the reasons he got in trouble here was because his pitches had to much “natural movement” to them
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The first one to Glaus was just a hanging slider or curve or somethin like that
The one to Ank was a dead fastball over the heart that missed his target by at least a foot, and the second one to Glaus looked like a 2-seamer that broke over the heart. Just three big mistakes
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and 3 home runs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Lohse: 30 pitches in the 1st
44 in 4 since. Great job, Kyle.
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he's been good at buckling down
when he has a rough beginning to the game
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i doubt he resigns
cause of boras, if he doesnt i hope he tanks ala weava tired of seeign the birds help guys fix stuff and then they go get a ton of cash elsewhere..Womack,Weava,Etc…Womack wasnt fixed but given a chance
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$$$
that boras will command will get him ove rthat and someone will sign barring a complete collapse..Yanks, somebody will overpay..Mariners are good at that too..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
yea, that's his mo
but i just don’t get it. you are an $11M pitcher on a winning/competitive team or a $12M pitcher on a losing team. for an agent, his cut is just about the money. for the player its more a quality of life issue. don’t understand why at that level of compensation, a couple million seems inadequate to pay me to lose so often.
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I remember the HR he hit in San Diego
I almost peed my pants
by voltronchris on Jul 17, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn Gonzos still using effective gris gris
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Carp is pitching for Springfield on Sunday
Wagonmaker could start rehab in a week or so. But I doubt WW will need more than 1 game in the Minors.
Big dp
should get another inning out of lohse
DPs our are best and worst friend
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Peavy is trying to get Ank to bite
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
got him that time
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you've been busy Santa
but can I have one more present?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
just missed that one
he should have killed it
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Feastly or beastly for Ank
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feast or famine for sure with him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that can play center field
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
strikely
As a batter. Ankiel is a power hitter who will strike out a lot. He just wont hit as many HRs or strike out as much as Howard. Personally I’d much rather have Ankiel on my team.
same here
instead of striking out so much, he’ll be able to get quite a few singles and doubles, albeit a few less home runs. it’s worth it, just putting the ball into play more often. and that’s not to mention the defense side… Ank is worth so much more
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't hit a changeup out yet :P
Throw him a bone, Peav
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my knee just cracked
the cards are winning, so great
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, im on a torn one also, second one
but its all good
i see the second half going just as the first half, so we should get some exciting stuff to watch
looking forward to it
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
over under on number of pitches before Duncan Ks?
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2
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but you can't compare their D
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defensive replacement now?
Ludwick in LF?
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it's really hard for me to not knock DUNK
when he swing at junk like that
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actual number was 5 - after the post
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so that means he'd hit around 60 home runs?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
because it's Pujols
Also. Once Ludwick starting playing everyday he dropped below .200 for that period. (which also overlaps with Pujols being out.) But still.
and glaus...
and Luddy kills righties. I’m amazed that it’s 90 games into the season and TLR still hasn’t checked B-R.
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cmon
Pujols gets his first hit and then no one can do anything
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
In reply to everyone above
How are you so sure Ludwick wouldn’t be 0-3 with 2 K’s? Peavy unanimously won the Cy Young last year for a reason, and Luddy can K with the best of ‘em
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You'd play Fukudome every day?
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OH COME ON!
please! no real fan voted for him
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You didn't specify
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i just think Ludwick deserves to play....he has earned the right to start everyday...but Tony doesn't see it that way...the only time Tony gives a younger or not long time vet the job is if he is forced to...i.e. adam wainwright in the 06 playoffs, albert
pujols when bonilla couldn’t play
Ozzie Smith over Royce Clayton, right?
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Well shit, Pujols was 7 years ago
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What about the umpteen rookies we've given their MLB debut this season?
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honestly I don't think I'd ever start Duncan over Ludwick
But he has been hitting well the last few games. And I haven’t managed two World Series teams yet.
I haven't won the US Masters.
But I know that shanking the ball out of bounds is a bad idea.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not nearly the same
Your analogy would compare to TLR putting me in to pitch tonight
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And yeah
He made that rockin’ catch, but what did he do offensively in the ASG? Just a walk, right?
by voltronchris on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think,
everyone is saying it’s time to start putting your best team on the field. I don’t think anyone will say that we are a better team with Duncan in the field.
by chicagocardfan on Jul 17, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We can be
It’s easy to criticize once Duncan has already gone 0-3, but what if Luddy had done the same? Would everyone be clamoring that he shouldn’t be out there against a righty?
Duncan has struggled this year, for sure, but he’s showed signs of coming around. He may still excite us tonight
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didnt he have the golden sombrero earlier in the season?
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no one is going to want Duncan in a trade if we never play him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice pitch Kyle
and nice make-up, ump, for not calling Greene out two pitches earlier
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AGREED
I was so pissed they didn’t call that pitch a strike. And I’m STILL marveling at the fact that Lohse is pitching in the 7th after that first inning. Rockstar.
by voltronchris on Jul 17, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
if we dont keep him
god i hope he goes to the al, so i can root for him
he has been baller for the cards this year so far
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He keeps saying how much he likes it in STL
I just hope that’s enough. And I hope management doesn’t lowball him.
by voltronchris on Jul 17, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
how come peavey can hit lohse so well?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
stfan posted earlier
Jake Peavy 1.000 vs. Lohse.
Now he’s added two more hits
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He's a good hitting pitcher
He’s batting something around .250 on the year.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 17, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice game, Kyle. Eighth belong to K-Mc and then . . ..
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Kyle gave us a great start at the beginning of 18 straight days without an off day
Give that bullpen some rest
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