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Hello, everyone.

I thought I would create this Fanpost to allow VEB users to discuss trade rumors or trade ideas instead of seeing separate Fanposts on all the different ideas. We did this back in December during/leading up to the Winter meetings, and I thought it was a good idea.

So please, if you have any trade chatter you'd like to pass on to the users of this blog, use this Fanpost instead of starting a new one.

To lb and the other editors: If you disagree with me, feel free to delete this, I just thought it would keep non-trade rumor Fanposts on the front page longer.

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by stlfan on Jul 14, 2008 11:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Oakland A's

Looking around for a 2Bman who is an upgrade over Adam Kennedy or Aaron Miles that wouldn’t cost too much to get, I came upon Mark Ellis. Right now, his home stats are severly affecting his overall stats, so a change of scenery could really help him. Add to the fact that the A’s just got Eric Patterson from the Cubs and Patterson is ready to play makes Ellis more available. With Richie Sexson being released from Seattle, the Mariners have a gaping hole at 1B. The Cards could try to do a 3-way deal.

Cards Get:
LHP Arthur Rodes
2B Mark Ellis

A’s Get:
2B Aaron Miles (Seat Warmer)
SS Tyler Greene
RHP PJ Walters
Mariner’s Prospect

Mariners Get:
1B Chris Duncan

Another guy to look at is Orlando Cabrera. They have Alexi Ramirez being the backup MI with Uribe manning 2B. They have Chris Getz ready to play 2B. They could slide Alexi to SS and promote Getz to the big leagues to shop Orlando Cabrera around. They need some more pitching if they plan at making a run for a title.

Cards Get:
SS Orlando Cabrera

White Sox Get:
RHP Anthony Reyes
C Nick Derba
OF Jon Edwards

None of the two players I mentioned have high trade value. Ellis’s splits are odd, not hitting at home, but hitting on the road.

by AP5 on Jul 15, 2008 12:50 AM EDT   0 recs

why deal Miles as a seat warmer?

have you not paid attention to what he’s done this year for us? Previous years erased, he’s done a fine job for this ball club, and frankly I’d like to keep him. I’m not saying he’s great, but he’s cheap and won’t get as much in return as he’s worth to this team.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 15, 2008 1:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sell high high high

I’ve been pretty happy with Miles, too, but these are his career OPS+ results over his career:

2004: 72
2005: 65
2006: 74
2007: 76
2008: 100 (thus far)

Aaron Miles is a known quantity, and is downright consistent in his crappiness with the bat. He’s playing a little over his head right now and frankly I just don’t think he’s having a breakout year at the age of 31. I expect he’ll come down to earth to some degree in the second half. The way I see it, if someone will give something of value for him, you pretty much have to do it.

by mojowo11 on Jul 15, 2008 9:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no one will buy him, though

that’s the problem. I honestly don’t see any team giving up much at all for Miles. Like I said, “I’m not saying he’s great, but he’s cheap and won’t get as much in return as he’s worth to this team.” and that’s what you ultimately need to consider in trade talks.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 15, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I don’t think anyone would take him, least of all Beane. But if we were to get Ellis as in the proposed deal, then it would be worth losing Miles. We’re not talking about dealing him as a salary dump, the idea would be to get something back.

If the question was “Why deal Miles as a seat warmer?” then the answer is “Because we’d get Ellis back.” Saying we shouldn’t do that deal because Miles has been good and saying that deal wouldn’t happen because Beane wouldn’t take Miles are different things.

by mojowo11 on Jul 15, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point.

I guess I just feel like we have some other “seat warmers” more worth trading than Miles. It was the “seat warmer” term that got me because seat warmer typically means a throw-in, and we have some much more “throw-in eligible” players than Miles in my opinion.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 15, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In regards to the white sox deal...

I don’t think any team in the majors would view Reyes as a player that could help make a run for a title. He is a nice throw in a piece, but if you want the white sox starting short stop the package would have to be much more enticing. The sox would claim that not only would we be getting their shorting start shop, but cabrera is atleast a type B free agent so if he walked from the cards we would also be getting a high draft pick that no longer would belong to chicago.

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by cardsphan04 on Jul 15, 2008 2:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That first trade would be terrible for the Mariners

Giving up Arthur Rhodes and another prospect for Chris Duncan? Doubt they would go for that. I also don’t think they and the A’s would be too keen on dealing with each other, seeing as how they’re in the same division.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 2:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they'd do Duncan for Rhodes, easily

Arthur Rhodes is 38, and is a LOOGY on a team destined to lose ~90+ games. Chris Duncan has a potential upside close to Justin Morneau’s, and is under club control for 4 years after this one.

Agree about the prospect to the A’s, though. When the A’s ask for one of your prospects in trade, the best thing to do is probably hang up the phone and promote the prospect ;) Ellis will probably be more expensive than that, too, though it’s hard to guage value sometimes. With the way Kennedy is hitting, it might be better to just wait and sign Ellis after the season.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 15, 2008 2:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably true

But a couple of things to consider:

1. The OP also put a prospect going from Seattle to Oakland in the trade, so they’d be sending us Rhodes and Oakland a prospect to gain Duncan. He didn’t mention what level or type of prospect, but it’s more than just a Rhodes for Duncan swap.

2. If I were the Mariners’ GM, I’d think that with so many teams gunning for LH relief pitching, I could get a better return than Chris Duncan, or at least I’d see what else I could get before pulling that trigger.

Duncan may have the potential upside close to Morneau, but the fact of the matter is he hasn’t been a quality player for a year. From the all-star break to the end of last season, he put up a .209/.311/.367/.678 line. He was injured for a large portion of that time, but this season (during which he has been physically healthy, to my knowledge at least) his line is only a slight improvement at .255/.354/.377/.731 and an OPS+ of 95. He is very good at taking walks (his OBP being 100 points higher than his BA is very impressive) but his power stroke has disappeared. Since last year’s ASB he’s only had 26 XBH’s.

It would be a case study in selling low if we traded Duncan right now.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 3:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

duncan seems like he could be a beane crush, to me. i’m sure he’d be glad to buy very low on him.

by baw on Jul 15, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Duncan gets us Rhodes, do it!

Then that would leave Chris’s spot open to promote Rasmus. I know people think he needs more time, but why trade prospects of an outfield bat. That outfield will be upgraded by promoting Colby. Each time Rasmus has been promoted he has gone through an adjustment period. April and May were tough for him but June has been a break out month. Why wait to September to call him up. Do it after Duncan clears the roster and let him become the fourth outfielder on the depth chart.

As far as the MI goes why trade our prospects for what might be a marginal upgrade? At 2B I am not sure Ellis really gives us more than Kennedy and Miles when you consider what we would have to give up. Kennedy’s bat has been pretty hot lately and Miles has value as a back up. Aaron can spell Troy at 3B and play SS when needed. Khalil Green gets mentioned here a lot and I don’t think he is a good fit either. He is having such a bad year and his splits against lefties just plain stink. Plus again we will give up prospects and in my fearful mind not get enough in return. So why not promote Brian Barden? He can take Ryan’s spot on the roster. Barden can platoon with Izturis. Oh just a side bar: Why doesn’t Izturis just give up the switch hitting? Barden has some pop and a move like this doesn’t upset the teams chemistry.
Starting pitching is something that will get stronger when AW comes back. By not trading for a SP it saves the prospects for the big deal this team needs to make.

A closer! A closer! my kingdom for a closer!
There has been a lot of talk about Brian Fuentes, but why not B. J. Ryan? I know he has a huge contact around his neck. Cotts has him at 10mil for ‘09 but maybe the deal could be made with the Jays taking some of that money. Plus they have Scott Downs maybe he would be more attractive.
So Duncan for Rhodes, promote Rasmus, option Ryan and replace him with Barden, and then find a closer. Why trade our prospects to fill holes we can fill from with in? Perez maybe the closer of the future, but we need to build a pen NOW! Everything else is secondary!

by nybirdfan on Jul 15, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If it is a closer you want...

why not look into Huston Street in Oakland? The A’s have been looking to move him for the right return. I know it is with Oakland and Beane fleeces teams in trades for his players, but why wouldn’t the Cards be interested. They could then keep Perez out of the closer role until they feel he is completely ready to take the role, and at that point, Street could be flipped for prospects. Street would still be young enough to be flipped for decent talent since his career shouldn’t be close to the end. He also acts as an insurance policy in case Perez can’t put it all together.

by Jumsy on Jul 15, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wasn't it billy bean who said

‘The easiest way to inflate a pitcher’s value is to get him some saves.’ I think I read that in Money Ball or something real close. I would recommend extreme caution when dealing with him. Or better yet simply don’t deal with him.

by nybirdfan on Jul 15, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A's probably wouldn't take Miles as a "Seatwarmer"

because the A’s have several seatwarmer middle infielders at the moment-guys who are not quite good to be permanent starters, but good enough to hold onto the job till someone comes along who is good enough.

Gregorio Petit (Great Defense, decent bat), Donnie Murphy (Good defense, platoon bat but has some power) and maybe Jesus Guzman (Great bat at least in AA, questionable defense, just promoted to AAA).

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by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 2:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not to mention they have patterson in AAA

We've never been in that position. We wouldn't know how to operate, I mean, do we get him a corsage?-Billy Beane on signing a high profile FA

by DyeLongJustice on Jul 19, 2008 5:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For anyone that missed it...

Mo was on one of the local stations here today, 590 the fan, and I caught his interview. He obviously couldn’t say much but you could tell where he was leaning. It was clear his priorities are as follows 1)Big bat, preferably a clean up hitter 2)Bullpen help 3) Starting pitcher. The pitcher to him really isn’t even a concern. It is apparent that to him, Wagonmaker coming back is just as good as any trade he could make so it is not a priority. i also think he hopes that IF carp doesn’t make it back to the rotation, he can be a force in the bullpen.

The guys also asked him about trading Rasmus and what he said ina round about way was, any team that calls initally right now, always first ask about Rasmus, the cardinal orginization gives them a quick simple answer, ( he didn’t say his actual answer but you would think it’s NO) for teams that they have spoken with several times they have gotten past the rasmus issue and are looking at other personel.

You might be able to get a replay of the interview on 590 the fans website. It was with the afternoon show following Jeff and Jeff.

All in all, in my opinion I think he will get a average lefty to help shore up the bullpen and then shoot high for the big bat. It is obvious that the orginization feels it needs more protection for albert.

I would go in one of two directions

1)The pirates want pitching so give it to em
Bay for Reyes, Mortenson, salas, and Jon Jay…you could throw duncan in there to clear a roster spot but I really don’t know if pittsburg would want him.

2) Go bigger with Pitt.
Bay and Marte for Reyes, Mortenson, ottavino, Salas, Jon Jay, and Chris Duncan
A nice old 6 for 2 deal, that propbably still wouldn’t be good enough though

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by cardsphan04 on Jul 15, 2008 2:08 AM EDT   0 recs

Great stuff man

I’d rather the order be 1) Bullpen help 2) Starting pitcher 3) Big bat. Most “big bats” that could potentially be available play in the outfield, and I think the outfield as we currently have it set up is playing fine. If we could somehow get a big bat that plays a MIF position, that would be ideal, but I don’t know whom we would go after, or if we’d even have the pieces to get one.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 2:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If there's a middle-infield prospect, who is Rasmus' offensive equal

Say, the next A-Rod, then I’d certainly hope that they’re listening. While it should take a lot, I wouldn’t rule out trading him at all, if the right deal presented itself. Considering our excess of outfielders, trading Rasmus could be a part of the best solution, but only under the right circumstances, of course.

by rob is back on Jul 15, 2008 2:49 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

The bigger problem is

first, finding an orginization that has a prospect of rasmus calliber up the middle is difficult to do. then to find one that is actually looking to make a deal is darn near impossible. Some cream of the crop guys I can think of off the top of my head are, Brandon wood from the angels, Mike Moustakas from KC, Matt Antonelli from SD, Jed Lowrie from boston, and Chin-lung Hu from the dodgers. These guys are all premiere prospects but none are as high as Rasmus. I think the ideal situation might be to try and aquire someone at ss like khalil Green, he shouldn’t cost to much and he needs a change of scenery. The cubs have been linked to him so Im sure the cards could match a reasonable offer.

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by cardsphan04 on Jul 15, 2008 3:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know that i am replying to myself but,

I just looked at Greens contract status and it’s not good so I think I will go back on that idea. He is owed 11 mill next year. For that price I would rather just wait till the offseason and go for Furcal or Renteria.

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by cardsphan04 on Jul 15, 2008 5:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Greene is only...

owed 6.5 million next season. I think he is the best option for a MI with solid Defense and some pop in his bat.

Texas has a 2B/SS named Joaquin Arias who is blocked by Michael Young and is not preferred like Elvis Andrus. He is 23 years old and has had some injuries the past couple of seasons. In 2006, was named by baseball prospectus as Texas’ best defensive player, best average hitter, and best infield arm (also a Futures game selection). He currently is hitting .289, has 20 sb (4 cs), but only a .320 obp (smiliar to his career minor league stat lines). Could he be someone to take a chance on to be the ss of the future in St. Louis?

by Jumsy on Jul 15, 2008 10:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They absolutely should go to Pittsburgh.

They should offer pitching to the Pirates for Marte-a AAA arm, AA arm, and another player. The starting pitching situation in Pitt is at critical mass…...only 3 of their starters are healthy-and only one is pitching well. They have exhausted their AAA stock, gone to their AA stock, and those folks haven’t fared well either. This could be the place they could send Reyes-heck his bad year last year is BETTER than what some of their starters are putting up this year. Would they trade within the division? Would they take Reyes? Maybe if you give them Thompson too-they wanted him in the past…...the Pirates have so many needs and a GM who wants to re-stock so he can get on with the re-building. But they need arms they can start….I believe there’s a deal here-just keep mixing and matching until they say yes.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 15, 2008 11:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just Say No

to Jason Bay.

by stl522 on Jul 15, 2008 11:13 AM EDT   0 recs

Surely you're forgetting

how well it went with our last late-season acquisition of a Canadian-born outfielder.

(I’m not a big Bay fan, either.)

by liam on Jul 15, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Duncan & Reyes for AJ

is the rumor most reported at PD Cards’ Talk. Poster there heard it on ESPN Radio this AM. Plus others have heard it on NYC sports talk radio.

Anybody else heard anything?

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by gocards62 on Jul 15, 2008 11:46 AM EDT   0 recs

That can't possibly be true.......could it?

I don’t believe they would trade Duncan and I think the Jays would want much more than Reyes for Burnett…....and with the kind of luck we have with “impact” pitchers, you just know A.J. would hit the DL after his second start.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 15, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

MORE than Reyes?!?

Haven’t you heard, he just needs a change of scenery, and to get away from the evil TLR and Duncan, and he’ll be GREAT. GREAT I tell ya.

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 16, 2008 11:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is that enough to get Burnett?

Or is it some other AJ you’re talking about :P

If that’s the deal on the table, do it in a heartbeat. The Blue Jays would become the former Cardinals, just like the Cardinals were once the former Angels (I guess they still kinda are)

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm.....maybe the Jays want to dump that contract before he

gets hurt again and decides to stay next year….if there is one player who desperately needs a change of scenery, it’s old # 23….....it would be a nice change for him it he got on a team that actually wanted him…....But Burnett, his contract and his injury history all scare me to death…....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 15, 2008 1:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Roughly $4 million the rest of this year

$12 mill the next two. IF he stays healthy, he could be worth it, because he’s a dominant pitcher. Career FIP of 3.78, including 3.59 this year, career WHIP of 1.29, including 1.46 this year. His LD% and FB% are up this year, though, so that’s a red flag to me. Busch Stadium has been better for pitchers than the Rogers Centre in every category save two last year and one in 2006. Not to mention we have stellar defense all around the park, while the Blue Jays employ David Eckstein at SS, and play on turf. I’d do Duncan and Reyes for Burnett every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 1:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldnt mind doing that move

even if he does opt out. You rid yourself of two issues, keep rasmus. The debate to what to do with Reyes would be done. The dump Duncan fans would be happy, the get AJ fans would be appeased. Now if only they could get back Grudz in that deal then everyone would be happy..jk seriously though I doubt the jays would do that, thats selling pretty low.

Has he really ptiched up to his last contract?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 15, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if there is any remote possibility of this actually happening?

because without a doubt we should do this trade. I still wish we had dealt Dunc to the Giants, but that seems all past now. At this point, this seems about as good of a deal as we’re going to get for these two guys.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 15, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think the Blue Jays would go for that

If they would, jump on it Mo!

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

they went for a straight up swap of Rolen and Glaus, which was damaged goods for damaged goods, so why wouldn’t they trade Burnett for Reyes and Duncan, two guys who could play for them right away. Duncan is basically a younger Matt Stairs and Reyes might just need a change of scenery to get going again.

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by fourstick on Jul 15, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Reyes might just need a change of scenery to get going again."

I hope that’s Mo’s sales pitch to them

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't quite work that way.....

Mr. Mo can say whatever he wants; the teams’ scouts determine if they see something they can work with.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 16, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe that was a joke . . .

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 16, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not remembering well...

Was there a confirmed offer on the table from the Giants for Duncan? When? For what?

by stlfan on Jul 15, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No

all speculation. I think they wanted him. We wanted pitching. Never went further than that.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

are you telling me...

that the giants were interested in a lefty hitting first baseman or something?

by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if he stays healthy

he is DEFFINATLY worth it.

we have Pineiro for 8 mil next year, surely AJ is worth four more than that.

Plus we still have Joel around for when he is on the DL.

;-)

I do that deal in a heartbeat, but somehow I have a very hard time believing it.

What we need now is AJ to get into another fued with managment.

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by jealousblues on Jul 16, 2008 3:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

didn't Mo...

... or somebody in the StL front office specifically say at some point that they had no interest in AJ? that could’ve been a stonewall, but i’d be surprised if anything like that gets done.

by kindred on Jul 15, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wish we could have moved duncan last year for the

speculated ervin santana interest, and him being available for a bat

by from First to Third on Jul 15, 2008 6:29 PM EDT   0 recs

O yeah

and on mlbtraderumors they had a piece on bedard. Seattle’s gm knows there not going to get what they gave for bedard first time around, I’d like to hope Mo checked on that.

by from First to Third on Jul 15, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Get it through your head, folks......

They are not moving Duncan. I would be shocked, stunned, surprised, if they are considering that at all. They have never said they were moving Duncan. Reyes is who they were moving, oh, nevermind. They didn’t do that either. I don’t know what to make of the front office lately, anyway…....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 15, 2008 6:32 PM EDT   0 recs

and they shouldn't.

it’s amazing how badly the perception of this guy differs from reality.

Even with his dreadful start, he’s only 50 points of OPS under Skip, and he has a .970 OPS in July… so he could catch up and fly right by skip Real Soon Now.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 15, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

Do the Cards seem to value Duncan more than they should? Yes. Is it because he’s Dave’s son? Maybe that is part of it. Is he untouchable? Absolutely not!

This assumption that Dunc is off the table because of his pops is too far over the top, however. Just a lazy assumption that has been elevated to dogma. In fact I’m sure that at some point DD has told Moz that trade decisions need to be made for the good of the team, and that trading Chris would not offend him. And he means it, too.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 16, 2008 10:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Duncan doesn’t mind Shelley playing for the Yankees. Can’t imagine he’d mind it if Chris were traded somewhere he could play everyday, or at least more often than he’s likely to with the outfield depth we’ll have here over the next few years.

The guy’s a professional, so are his sons.

by liam on Jul 16, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

am i missing something?

where in jill’s post, or anywhere else in this thread for that matter, does anyone mention the father-son thing?

by baw on Jul 16, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not in that post...

... but in many others over the past year.

by kindred on Jul 16, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know, but he was replying to her post with:
Sorry, I don’t buy that at all.

by baw on Jul 16, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, I'll admit that I

assumed (which makes an ass of me, I know) the father-son subtext, but my first line referred to her strong statement that the Birds would not consider moving Duncan. I think they’d move him in a heartbeat for the right deal. And in fact, I’m betting they’re chagrined that he’s not playing better so he would be an even more valuable chip.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 16, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, I have heard LaRussa say he didn't want Duncan traded. He said it last off season.

I have no clue what his father says about it. i’m guessing he’s not part of that decision making process anyway.

It’s only been media speculation that Duncan is on the market. That’s why I’d be surprised, stunned, shocked if Duncan would be moved….....

I almost never post anything about Duncan. You must have me confused with someone else…....it’s a strange thing with Duncan-unless he gets the power back, and it’s kind of been gone for awhile, he’s not worth much-to us or anyone else. He’s been hitting better so maybe it will come.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 16, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well if you ask him about

any of his players he’d say the same thing, wouldn’t he?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 16, 2008 10:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

unless their name is

Scott Rolen

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by fourstick on Jul 17, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There's an article by a pittsburgh paper

about burnett possibly coming. They didn’t say who was in the deal. Maybe it was ryan instead of reyes, since they need a shortstop.

by from First to Third on Jul 15, 2008 8:03 PM EDT   0 recs

Article was in...

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. They had some other info about players who they thought would have a bad 2nd half and their pick to start the 2nd half out on fire… Rick Ankiel. Who knows what Pittsburgh really knows about baseball though…

by Jumsy on Jul 15, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a shame really

Pittsburgh has such a long and impressive baseball history, but they’ve just sucked for the last decade and a half

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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Since they let Barry walk

the Bonds curse will be upon them until someone breaks his record…

(SF too, hopefully)

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 15, 2008 10:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that'll be less than a decade

could be much worse for them.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 16, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kelly Johnson for 2nd Base

Since St. Louis needs a long term solution to man second, what about Kelly Johnson. It seems that the Braves are in need of outfield and possibly a first baseman if Texiera is traded. Why not try to package say: Chris Duncan and Brendan Ryan for Johnson and a player to be named later?

Duncan would fill a need for Atlanta and Johnson for us. Both players have some potential to be more than what they are. Would this fly?

by Priest on Jul 15, 2008 8:15 PM EDT   0 recs

I'll bet you Sheets serves one up to A-Rod right here

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
Track 'em Tigers - An SB Nation Blog for Auburn Tigers fans

by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 8:57 PM EDT   0 recs

Shit wrong thread

Sorry guys

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
Track 'em Tigers - An SB Nation Blog for Auburn Tigers fans

by Mr Redbird on Jul 15, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Confused

what i dont understand is how so many of you all think these other teams are going to give away players that are producing for someone like Duncan…even if he was on the block…he’s not been doing anything…can’t play LF, can’t hit well, not a good baserunner…im confused by that.

by Boose20 on Jul 15, 2008 11:55 PM EDT   0 recs

"not doing anything"

duncan has a .970 OPS so far in July ‘08, to go with his .932 OPS in 2006 and the .955 he put up through July 26th of 2007.

Hopefully he’s got things fixed and will make us all proud in ‘09, but the idea of trading him for a LOOGY makes me sick. Skip’s the kind of guy you trade for a LOOGY. Duncan could be a league MVP (IE, justin Morneau) if he has a bit of luck against LHP.

"..and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped." -Sir Belvedere

by SleepyCA on Jul 16, 2008 4:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Though not so snarkily.

Duncan could post a .900 OPS and be an offensive force, but he’s not MVP caliber. You have to be Pujolsian (1.039 OPS) or Bondsian (1.421 OPS) or RyanHowardWhenHeWasHittingForAverageian (1.084 OPS) to win the award…

...or you could be a leadoff hitter with a lot of hits and steals, like Rollins, I guess. But Duncan doesn’t really fit that bill, either.

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or...

morneauian (.934 OPS in 2006 MVP season). does duncan fit that bill?

by baw on Jul 16, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up