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My plan for fixing the team

Of course, the plan at this point is always to put enough out there to help the team make a run at the playoffs without actually selling the future, so with that in mind, here's my thoughts on the subject:

While Matt Holliday is certainly the sexiest name we've discussed on this board as of late, I don't think that noticeably improves our team.  Our needs, in this order, are:  bullpen help (especially from the left side), starting pitching, middle infield.

To improve all three, we either need to get incredibly lucky or we'd have to sell most of the farm, which we don't want to do, but I think the first two can be helped without doing too much damage.    The Mariners beat writer for the Seattle Times wrote a blog entry stating which players he expected to see traded and in what order.  The list was this:

1)  Arthur Rhodes

2)  Erik Bedard

3)  Jarrod Washburn

4)  Raul Ibanez

5)  Adrian Beltre

The URL for the full article is:  http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/07/trade_winds_blowing.html

Now, having said that, with what Seattle gave up for Bedard, I don't think they'd accept any package from us that didn't include Rasmus plus others.  But the other two guys at the top there are both options.

Jarrod Washburn, according to the writer, would pretty much be a salary dump.  Now, his stats look REALLY bad, and early on, he was exactly that.    He currently sits 4-8 with a 4.83 ERA.  However, since May 25th, he has pitched in 9 straight games, going at least 5 innings every time, and over that time, he lowered his ERA from 6.99 to the current 4.83.

Rhodes would be the one that would take a real prospect to get.  I still don't think it would be a king's ransom, by any means, but he would take at least something to get.  He makes league minimum, as his contract was a minor-league contract, and he currently has a very non-Cardinals like 3.06 ERA from the pen, and most importantly, he's a lefty.  I know the whole of the bullpen sucks right now, but I think the biggest need, seeing how Villone and Flores have been, has been the left side of that bullpen.

If the Cardinals could work out a deal to get these two, and the injured players eventually come back, we could see this as our pitching staff:

Starting Rotation:

  1. Adam Wainwright
  2. Todd Wellemeyer
  3. Kyle Lohse
  4. Jarrod Washburn
  5. Braden Looper
  6. (If someone falters) Joel Pineiro/Jaime Garcia

Bullpen

  1. Tyler Johnson (L)
  2. Arthur Rhodes (L)
  3. Ryan Franklin
  4. Kyle McClellan
  5. Russ Springer
  6. Chris Perez
  7. Jason Isringhausen

Obviously the bullpen isn't entirely fixed with this move, but this leaves Perez and Izzy as the only guys who should really scare you on the mound.  (Kinda sad that those are the past and potential future closers, isn't it?)

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What to give up...

I would guess that a Jarrod Washburn type pitcher (kind of a Suppan-like pitcher) would cost you a decent prospect close to playing the majors. That could be a Mather, Haerther, or Stavinoha, a Mark Hamilton, David Freese, or Allen Craig. I thought, based on the article, the M’s also may be moving Ibanez or Beltre, thus the need in the OF or 3B…plus I threw Hamilton in because they just released Sexson at 1B. I know he’s overstated on VEB in trades, but maybe Duncan + one other gets this done…if we don’t ask for $ from them.

I have no idea what we’d have to give up for Rhodes. My guess would be a decent pitching prospect or two. Ottavino, Mortenson, Boggs, Herron, Walters, Hawksworth, Parisi…pick 2.

Would the Cardinals do that? Would it be worth Duncan, Craig, Boggs, and Parisi to get a year and a half of Washburn…at $10.35 million next year (according to Cot’s) and a half of a season out of Rhodes?

I don’t think so. I think that the team right now will be just as competitive.

by stlfan on Jul 14, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure...

Johnson is out for the year? You can’t count on him in the pen. Villone has been good against lefties. He just cannot seem to get right handers out. I really don’t think it would take 2 of those starters listed to get Rhodes (all for acquiring him). I’m sure Seattle would be happy to get just something with a glimpse of ML talent back for him. I’m still not sold on the need for a SP, unless Wainwright won’t be back for a lot longer then expected.

by Jumsy on Jul 14, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

Washburn is the answer, or that he improves the team more than, say, Jaime Garcia would. Rhodes, as a lhrp, is attractive so he could be a good option, my problem with him is he’s looked good in 17.2 innings this year, versus a 5.32 ERA last year in 45.2 innings. Granted, that was with Philly, a bad place for pitchers, but I don’t trust him enough yet to give up anything decent.

by mateodh on Jul 14, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jarrod Washburn

isn’t a good pickup at all, like you said, is a big salary dump and doesn’t have good stuff. Anyone else like Bedard, even though he is injured, would be better besides Washburn

"I wish I had a dollar for every time I spent a dollar, because then I'd have all my money back."
-Jack Handey

by deepthoughtsbyjackhandey on Jul 15, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wrote this in the main thread for today, but....

The Mariners would certainly look for at least a similar package to what they gave up for Bedard. The comparable players in our system would have to include Colby Rasmus and would probably also have to include at least 2 pitching prospects (perhaps along the lines of Boggs and Garcia). That’s a lot to give up, and that’s still taking a lesser package than they gave up.

They would also likely have little to no interest in Anderson, the prospect we’re all looking for ways to get max value out of, because their top prospect that WASN’T part of the first Bedard trade is a stud catcher.

Furthermore, in that time that he’s lowered his ERA, his ERA over the last 9 starts is 3.02.

How can you say a guy with a 3.02 ERA for the last two months isn’t a good pickup compared to what we’ve had going out on the mound?

by mtalken on Jul 15, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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