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Game 95 Open Thread- 12th July, 2008

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Col. Wellemeyer         Yoslan Herrera

7-4, 3.94                     0-0, 0.00

An unknown hurler

Patience should be the watchword

Stay on the rails, boys

 

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Take walks

Make him throw strikes!

by Red in Chicago on Jul 12, 2008 6:27 PM EDT   0 recs

But don't forget

To smash the living heck out of any meatballs he tosses up there.

by fuegophil on Jul 12, 2008 6:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mmmmmm!

Pittsburgh meatballs. Yum!!

by Red in Chicago on Jul 12, 2008 6:33 PM EDT   0 recs

herrera

Cuban defector called immediately from AA Altoona. ~5.5k/9 in AA. Made one start in AAA indianapolis and did ok. Looks like he doesn’t walk guys very often, so his might have ok control. i’m gessing he has mediocre stuff.

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 6:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Haiku

I’m going back to the haikus for now. I do two in a row, we win. I stop, and we lose. That’s all the proof I need.

For your further edification, though, here’s a little more info on Mr. Herrera.

His player page at first inning.

He’a a Cuban defector that the Pirates signed in 2006.

He’s thrown only seven innings in Triple A in his career, amassing a 3.83 FIP with a 6/1 K/BB rate.

From the Baseball America 2008 Handbook:

“Though he had performed well with the powerful Cuban national team, Herrera didn’t show that same kind of ability in his pro debut last season. His fastball sat at 84-86 mph, six mph slower than his heyday in Cuba, and his curveball and splitter lacked sharpness. He also lost confidence in his fastball and kep throwing his curve early in the count instead of trying to establish his heater.”

Looking at his results this year, without digging for any other scouting reports, I would think that he’s probably regained some of his previous stuff. He hadn’t pitched competitively since 2004 prior to his pro debut, so I imagine he may be back on track a bit more. Still, even at his best, he’s never been overpowering, so the Cards should be able to hit the guy.

Why don't you just make like a tree, and get out of here?

by the red baron on Jul 12, 2008 6:35 PM EDT   0 recs

hopefully after tonight's game

Pittsburgh management will be saying to themselves:

“Wake Up, We’ve Been Had”

Yes, I agree. What a totally worthwhile and witty comment I just made.

sarcasm?

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 12, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Can someone explain to me...

Duncan in RF and Ludwick in LF? Is because it seems like RF in Pittsburgh is pretty run of the mill and LF is a little kooky?

by voltronchris on Jul 12, 2008 6:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Maybe we’re showcasing him to the Pirates o.O

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt that.

I honestly don’t think Chris Duncan is on the trading block. I just don’t.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 12, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe Garcia & Duncan

hmmm

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 12, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is Jason Bay the only Pirate we’re looking into? Cause….I don’t think he’s THAT much better than Duncan. And I’m not really a Duncan fan at all, I just want to trade for someone actually worthwhile

by voltronchris on Jul 12, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lefty's Marte, Grabow, and Burnett

I would also like Jack Wilson back (yes I would) or Jose Bautista for Glaus insurance (he usually makes an annual trip to the DL)

Hey, if they are so desperate for starting pitching that they are starting a fellow after one AAA start, surely they would take the unwanted one and Brad Thompson off or our hands, no?

Bay is solid-I’m just not sure that he’s a difference maker…..Nady has been injury prone his whole career-I say pass. Now this McLouth fellow, I like. He can play corners too…..I bet the Pirates like him too and won’t give him to us.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 12, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cable Question

How much do you guys pay for cable? I just finally ordered cable and haven’t had it in 2 years. Missed baseball too much though. Mostly just used the antenna for Sat and Sun games. I convinced Charter to give me the basic FSN and ESPN package for $24.99.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 12, 2008 6:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Is that all you got, or did you have to pay for a base package too?

B/c that’s a great deal if that’s all you have.

Patiently awaiting Mulder's return, circa 2012

by bjork24 on Jul 12, 2008 6:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No that is the base package

I got like 100 channels or so but all I care about is FSN and ESPN. I have a pretty bad ass Home Theater Computer setup. So I mostly watch movies and TV shows. I just download whatever I want off usenet. I was using MyP2P to watch Cardinal games but I needed something more reliable.

They first tried to sell it for me for $52.99 but I negotiated it down to $24.99.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 12, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

anyway

you can call and negotiate my cable, new car purchase, house etc

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 12, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Secret to Negotiating

The secret to Negotiating is pretend you absolutely love what ever you are trying to buy but are too broke to afford it. What I did this time was just checked around prices with satellite. The cheapest package I could find was $29.99 a month with a ton of restrictions plus charges. So I just told them the cheapest I found was $24.99.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 12, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, I'm a prick

I tend to get mad and end up not buying anything. After I rant and rave for a while I go downstairs turn on ESPN and my wife calls back and pays full price. It is a pretty ugly situation.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 12, 2008 7:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you know you don't hae to rub it in

so , wanna call my cable company for me?

My charm apparently doesn’t translate over the phone.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 12, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Charter CEO

Figured some of you could use this

Charter Communications
Neil Smit, CEO
neil.smit@chartercom.com
ph: 314-965-0555 (ask for “the office of Mr. Smit.” This gets you forwarded to a voicemail box. Who knows whether anyone who cares actually checks it. Dial by name directory doesn’t work either).
fx: 314-965-9745

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 12, 2008 7:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

all I have to say about that is

once again , Mediacom sucks!

I do not apologize to any Mediacom employees reading this!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 12, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hey ya'll quit complaining

i am a card fan in CA—I have gone from Dish to DirectTV (who suck, by the way, I paid $150 to end my contract early) to comcast and have to pay $150 a year for the extra innings package… i would love to spend $24.99 a month to satisfy my baseball yearnings…

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 12, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One person's suck

is another’s goodness.

FWIW, I like DirecTV…all cable and satellite TV companies seem to have some issues, but my complaints about DirecTV are minimal.

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 12, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ryan

When asked about his all-star break plans, Brendan Ryan says that he’s going to check out some new xbox games. I love the kid.

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 6:53 PM EDT   0 recs

And this is why TLR doesn't like him

Instead of trying to think of ways to get out of his enormous funk, he’s going to be playing video games.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 12, 2008 7:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You know what? Doing something he enjoys and finds relaxing just might help him clear

his mind when he gets back at after the break. Everyone needs a break…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 12, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Miles at ss

Can we pass statute that prohibits Miles from ever playing SS?

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 6:57 PM EDT   0 recs

thast one walk

hopefully the first of many

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:06 PM EDT   0 recs

for once

im not too worried, i think we will get to him

just a gut feeling

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:14 PM EDT   0 recs

response to raconteur…

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

god i love ank in center

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Wellemeyer got lucky that Rivas has no power

because that was a meatball

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 12, 2008 7:18 PM EDT   0 recs

first start in RF

for Duncan since 2006

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 12, 2008 7:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Uh oh

in play, run(s)

Patiently awaiting Mulder's return, circa 2012

by bjork24 on Jul 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Wellemeyer has solved his control problems

by throwing everything down the middle?

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jul 12, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Hey that guy can hit

maybe we should inquire about him

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 12, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

If he was a Cardinal

He wouldn’t be able to face our pitcher, and therefore wouldn’t be as valuable.

That homerun off Wellemeyer was a meatball that would be hit out of the park with anybody with a tad of power.

by cloistermaximus on Jul 12, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you may have a point

but that certainly wasn’t the first HR of his career… or his last.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 12, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

His body language betrays some sort of underlying problem.

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

like his elbow? Hm?

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by gocards62 on Jul 12, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Welley looks bad so far...

... hopefully not still hurt.

by kindred on Jul 12, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

alright

lets put some pressure on the rook

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Yoslan Herrera

Has never allowed a major league hit in his entire career.

by cloistermaximus on Jul 12, 2008 7:24 PM EDT   0 recs

He's walked

a full quarter of the batters he’s faced, though.

by liam on Jul 12, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice jinx!

He’s never given up a 2-run homer to anyone either.

by liam on Jul 12, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

trying to spot his fastball

bluffing with curve…......no slider….....he is hurt, and trying to hide it.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 12, 2008 7:24 PM EDT   0 recs

I remember earlier this year when Welley was just pumping. It was a sight to behold.

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

atta kid dunc

solid liner

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:27 PM EDT   0 recs

coulda been caught

is Duncan playing right for them as well?

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jul 12, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

the right fielder def looked lost

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Captain DP is up :P

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 12, 2008 7:28 PM EDT   0 recs

not this time

juiced bases

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bases jacked

Here we go

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT   0 recs

for the colonel?

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by gocards62 on Jul 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Would've been better

with Kennedy GIDP’ing before Wellemeyer?

by liam on Jul 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

negative bunch this evening

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

Seriously... what were Rich Harden's parents thinking?!?!?!

by stltrav09 on Jul 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT   0 recs

realistic

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by gocards62 on Jul 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

shit

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jul 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT   0 recs

On a T there, AK

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by gocards62 on Jul 12, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh my god

"Never judge a taco by its price" - Dr. Gonzo

by KennyWang on Jul 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT   0 recs

we've got this guy though

Unfortunate that we loaded ‘em up for Wellenmeyer and Jackie Kennedy, but we seem to be on this guy. I’m looking forward to Albert’s 2nd AB versus him.

by lightbulb on Jul 12, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jesus, I like to be negative

but it’s only the 2nd inning. Calm down.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 12, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that might be the first time I have seen

someone admit to liking being negative (no ing)

that is twice in two days you have been out-pessimisticized

work on that buddy!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 12, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm trying!!!

and I shouldn’t say I like being negative, but it just comes natural sometimes :P

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 12, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've found that being negative is an asset to avoid frustration

If we lose, well I told you so. No surprise.

If we win? It’s beating the odds, and extra fun/exciting.

I’m watching the whole game. But till we score a run off of AA pitcher X, I’m not holding out much hope.

by cloistermaximus on Jul 12, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i am unhappy with that

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on Jul 12, 2008 7:32 PM EDT   0 recs

saw it coming

can no one hit a sac fly?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 12, 2008 7:33 PM EDT   0 recs

Kennedy has the worst swing in baseballl

for someone with no power whatsoever

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jul 12, 2008 7:33 PM EDT