My Big Bad All Star Prediction
First off, congratulations to Jaime Garcia on his major league debut. He looked more than a little bit jittery out there, but he still managed to get out of it unscathed. I think we probably all noticed the lack of velocity; he topped out at 90 according to the pitchfx system, and only hit that one time. All of the scouting reports I've read have him sitting more in the 90+ range. To me, it looked a little bit like Jaime was guiding the ball in there; I'm sure that may have had a little bit to do with it. I guess we'll see over the next few games, whether or not he'll throw a little bit better once he loosens up and just lets it fly a little more.
Overall, it was a pretty fantastic night for the Cardinals. Rick Ankiel had yet another nice night at the plate, and Kyle Lohse continues to cruise along, looking very little like the pitcher that he's been the rest of his career. I can't decide whether or not that's a good thing, to be perfectly honest. Of course, we all want to attribute Lohse's success this year to the Duncan Factor, to superior preparation and all of that sort of stuff. My fear is that we're simply seeing a talented pitcher having a career year. That's not a bad thing in and of itself, of course, but when you're trying to decide whether or not to sign a guy to a long term extension, you don't really want to judge him on his best season.
I'm sure we're all going to be watching the results of the Harden deal pretty closely over the rest of the season, so I thought I would help everybody out with a quick update. Last night for Oakland, both Matt Murton and Sean Gallagher made their Athletics' debuts. Gallagher received the win in a 9-2 A's victory over the Angels, going seven innings and giving up two runs, both earned, on only two hits and three walks. He struck out seven. Murton went 1-5 with two RBIs, and made two outstanding catches in the outfield. Clearly, Oakland got the better end of this deal. And no, I don't feel the least bit ridiculous for making that decision after one game. I stand by my convictions.
Well, it's just about all star time again this season. Seeing as how the National League hasn't won a game since the mid-30s, I thought I would take a look at the two squads this year and see if we can get an idea as to how the NL and AL match up. You can find the full rosters here.
First off, the starting rosters:
| National League | American League |
| C-Geovany Soto, CHC | C-Joe Mauer, MIN |
| 1B-LanceBerkman,HOU |
1B-Kevin Youkilis, BOS |
| 2B-Chase Utley, PHI | 2B-Dustin Pedroia, BOS |
| SS-Hanley Ramirez, FLA | SS-Derek Jeter, NYY |
| 3B-Chipper Jones, ATL | 3B-Alex Rodriguez, NYY |
| OF-Ryan Braun, MIL | OF-Josh Hamilton, TEX |
| OF-Kosuke Fukudome, CHI | OF-Manny Ramirez, BOS |
| OF-Matt Holliday, COL | OF-Ichiro Suzuki, SEA |
| OF-Alfonso Soriano-CHC (DL) | DH-David Ortiz, BOS (DL) |
Well, looking at that list, I actually have to say that I like the National League's chances this year. I think they have a distinct advantage up the middle of the infield, and over at first base. Third is pretty much a wash, and the outfield might favour the AL ever so slightly. Manny isn't really Manny anymore; I think he and Holliday are pretty comparable. Ichiro is quite a bit better than Fukudome, and Hamilton, while a much better defensive player, is right around the same offensive player as Ryan Braun. I can't decide who has the advantage at catcher; Soto's been awfully good this season, but Mauer is still one of the best catchers in the game currently. I like Mauer's defense a little better, but Soto's got him beaten in terms of power. I think I'll have to call that a wash too.
What I find a little curious about the National League is how their outfield is going to line up. Fukudome is a legitimate center fielder, but both of their other starters are strictly left fielders. I guess Holliday is a little more capable of manning right than Braun, but that's not saying very much. I assume that the Clint Hurdle will have to bring in a better defensive outfielder at some point in the game, but at least for the first few innings, the National League is going to be very vulnerable defensively. Let's hope that whoever starts the game can keep the ball down, otherwise it could get ugly.
Speaking of the pitching, the NL has the advantage there, too, I think. In line for the start for the NL is most likely either Tim Lincecum or Brandon Webb. For the junior circuit, we'll most likely see either Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee. Halladay's an absolute beast, but so are both of the NL starters, and while Lee has been absolutely wicked this year, he still seems a little vulnerable to blowups at times. Personally, I think Webb and Halladay will probably make the starts for their respective leagues, and I'm okay with that. Lincecum is a whole lot more fun to watch, but Webb isn't exactly a slouch on the mound. Plus, with the weak outfield defense to begin the game, Hurdle may want to go with the guy that's going to roll up the grounders. It's probably a wash between Halladay and Webb; one of Halladay's big strengths is his ability to pitch complete games on any given day, and that won't come into play here.
Once the two teams get into the middle of the game, I think the NL has the edge again. Lincecum, Zambrano, Sheets, Haren, and Volquez are all capable of coming in and just blowing away hitters for an inning or two. I just don't think the AL pitchers are quite at that same level. Lee and Scott Kazmir are both capable of dominating, but guys like Duchscherer, Joe Saunders, and Ervin Santana, while all very good, just aren't quite as lights out.
Now, the AL does have a significant advantage at the back end of the bullpen. Mariano Rivera, K-Rod, Papelbon, and Joe Nathan all on the same team? Really, I guess if the AL can just get the game through about five innings, they can just throw closers at you the rest of the time. The NL just can't compete with that kind of firepower. Both Billy Wagner and Brad Lidge have been dynamite this season, but Kerry Wood is, at least in my mind, still a bit of a question mark, and while Brian Wilson could very well confuse the AL by taking the mound in a bathrobe, I just don't think he really quite belongs in with the elite closers in the game just yet.
The benches I think are pretty evenly matched. The American League has no answer for Albert on their bench, but guys like Grady Sizemore, Evan Longoria, and Justin Morneau are awfully good. The NL bench, besides Albert, will feature David Wright, Dan Uggla, and Russell Martin, among others. Advantage? Probably neither, though if you put a gun to my head, I might give the AL the slightest of edges.
So, what do we have here? I think the NL has a moderate advantage in both the offense and the starting pitching. The AL has the tougher back end guys, and their defense is probably at little better, especially at the beginning. (Although, to be fair, they will have Manny playing in left to start the game.) The benches are pretty similar; at the very least, they isn't enough one way or the other to make much of a difference.
I'm calling it right now. This is the year that the National League ends the AL's dominance and wins the game. I think the NL's pitching depth at the front end will just be too much for the AL, able to hold the junior circuit down long enough for the NL offense to score some runs. By the time the game gets into the late innings, the AL's superior back end pitching won't be enough to make a difference.
In the end, it's going to be a National League victory, 6-3. Bank on it.
Oh, and one last thing I forgot to mention up above. Mr. Mozeliak, if you're reading this, just say no to Colby Rasmus for Jason Bay. For all of our sakes. Thank you.
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I give the NL as a LOCK to win the ASG
and more in the future. All the young good hitting players seem to be in the NL, while the AL is making its living with a lot of players who have had their best years in the past…or are getting to that point.
ichiro, Vlad, Manny, Ortiz, Jeter, Arod
Vrs, Hanram, Utley, Wright, Phillips, Braun, Uggla, Soto, McCann…
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by jealousblues on Jul 12, 2008 5:58 AM EDT 0 recs
oh, and I didnt even get to pitching
Webb, Lincecum, Volquez, Peavy, Santana, Hamels, Carpenter, Zambrano, Harden, Sabathia, Sheets, Hudson, Haren…
thats some pretty good pitching all around.
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by jealousblues on Jul 12, 2008 6:02 AM EDT 0 recs
Dan Haren is an all star, back to back years, two different leagues.
I wonder if that’s happened before to a starting pitcher?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jul 12, 2008 8:23 AM EDT 0 recs
Vida Blue and the Unit come to mind
but I’m not sure if it happened to either.
by the Tewk on
Jul 12, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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Pedro?
Surely he was an all star for the Expos and Red Sox.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Jul 12, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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I'm just glad
that Trevor Hoffman isn’t going to be around to blow another All-Star game save again.
The NL really needs to get ahead early in this game, especially since the AL has a pretty weak starting lineup, imo. Come on, Youkilis, Pedroia, and Jeter? Hanley has outhomered all of those guys, COMBINED, in the first half. If the National Leaguers come out slugging and put up an early 3-4 run lead, I can see it being difficult for the AL to come back.
With the crapshoot that the NL has at closer (sorry RB, I don’t trust ANY of those guys in a big game), I’d much rather see Webb, Lincecum, Volquez, and Zambrano get 2 innings apiece and bring in Haren or Sheets to close the thing out in the 9th. I’m sure the we’re probably going to see all four AL closers, as they are lights out, so the important thing is to get on the board early and stay there.
Oh, and get Fukudome out of the game as early as possible - he really doesn’t belong here - apparently you can BB your way into the All-Star game nowadays….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 12, 2008 8:40 AM EDT 0 recs
"apparently you can BB your way into the All-star game nowadays"
hilarious use of statistical joke. yet so so true.
by krippledmaster on
Jul 12, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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speaking of blowing ASGs...
I firmly believe we lost two because Cards were snubbed.
I think there is a good chance Pujols comes up big last year
and a couple of years ago, when they put MCab in as a defensive replacement in the bottom of the 9th (with Rolen on the bench) and a ball went right by him. I dont know how well I remember it, but I recall thinking Rolen would have gotten that. I thought it was a very consequential play…but Its been so lo0ng now I dont remember
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by jealousblues on
Jul 12, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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Cubs/A's trade
I agree RB, the A’s got the best of the trade, and the best player in that trade, imo, didn’t play last night—Patterson. Six years of cost controlled pitching from Gallagher, a good middle infield prospect, and a corner outfielder that’s been jerked around his entire time in Chicago and just needs to play regularly. I think they’re all going to contribute somewhere in the near future, while the Cubs have their fingers crossed that Harden actually makes 12 starts the rest of the season. He’s scheduled to go today….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 12, 2008 8:44 AM EDT 0 recs
Jaime Garcia
I was fortunate enough to be at last night’s game in Pittsburgh (I couldn’t believe it was a sellout) and will be going again tonight. I felt that Garcia was a bit wild, but none of the Pirates made good contact on anything in play. The hit he gave up seemed to be a jam shot that wasn’t hit hard. Garcia was breaking bats (the old way by getting inside on people) and even though his velocity topped out around 90, was still effective. It makes me think that the movement on his pitches was getting into the rh hitters and they couldn’t do anything with them. After his performance, it opened my eyes to why he is better against rh than lh.
by Jumsy on Jul 12, 2008 9:39 AM EDT 0 recs
seems like
maybe he has the Al Leiter-type late movement on his pitches that allows him to get inside on righties. I don’t think he throws a cutter like Leiter did, but he does seem to get inside on the right handed hitters pretty frequently even though he doesn’t throw that hard. His breaking ball was not working at all last night—I am really glad that it didn’t get hammered the two times he left it up in the zone.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
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Rasmus should not be traded for anyone....
It would just be a horrible waste. I wanna see the outfield of Ludwick, Ank, Raz for the next 4 to 5 years until someone breaks down. That would be a sweet 3.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Jul 12, 2008 10:14 AM EDT 0 recs
Don't worry...
Rasmus ain’t goin’ anywhere... Pittsburgh may ask for him in a Jason Bay trade, but they ain’t gonna get him!
I know the Birds would like another bat; too bad we can’t clone this guy…

Imagine the “Rajah” hitting behind Pujols! :-)
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on
Jul 12, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
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that might also solve our MI production problem...
just a little!
by mattybobo on
Jul 12, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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the other way around
with hornsby at his prime, I think albert would be protecting the Rajah. I don’t think albert has ever slugged .756.
by cardsfanincolo on
Jul 12, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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how come you never hear more about him?
Did people forget?
I know its a different era but he was absolutely sickining, at least from stats….since ive obsiously never seen him play
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by jealousblues on
Jul 12, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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He didn't play in Boston or NY
and he didn’t get along well with anyone. The media was completely involved in Ruth at the time so Hornsby was an afterthought.
by cardsfanincolo on
Jul 12, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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he did play in Boston and NY
One year in each , and
four years with the Cubs. Amazing that perhaps the greatest RH batter of all-time played on 4 different teams in 4 years. Must have been very hard to get along with.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jul 12, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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sorry
going by memory. Forgot about the trade with NYG that brought Frankie Frisch to STL.
by cardsfanincolo on
Jul 12, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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He was a legendary asshole
He is cited in the “There’s no crying in baseball” speech by Jimmy Dugan as someone you have to deal with, yet not cry.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Jul 12, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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see, I knew St Louis could deal with assholes
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jul 12, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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yeah,
Ive heard he was a hard nosed sonofabitch…
as well as some other things ;-)
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by jealousblues on
Jul 12, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
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According to OPS+, he is the 5th best hitter of all time
Right above mantle and right below gehrig…and albert cracked the top ten thus far…I wonder what bonds would be without his pharmaceutically enhanced tail end of his career….
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Jul 12, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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btw
There is a good biography of Hornsby written by Charles Alexander if anyone is interested. I don’t know how to post a link but it is available at amazon.com.
How about this line for the five years from ‘21-’25: .402/.534/.690/1.224
I don’t think we will see anyone like him anytime soon.
by cardsfanincolo on
Jul 12, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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That is a great book
Definitely a must read for anyone interested in Cardinal history.
I always bring up him and Maris when talking about my top 5 players of all time and everyone just looks at me like I’m crazy—then we get out the stats and it doesn’t seem so ridiculous after all…
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by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
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Again on Rasmus...
How is Jason Bay any better than Ludwick ??? Other than having done well for more than one year …
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Jul 12, 2008 10:21 AM EDT 0 recs
well if it's extreme as ANY...
1. He’s hit 30 homers in a season
2. He’s sported more than one season of a 130+ OPS+, and he was banged up most of last year and played through it.
3. He’s never had a devastating injury like Ludwick has, so I would venture to say he’s more durable.
I’m not advocating trading for him, or any other outfielder for that matter, but I would say his track record shows he’s better than Ludwick.
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by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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Tim Lincecum
Is pitching tonight. And there has been talk that we would not play in the All-star game because he would only be on 2 days rest.
by Evilfrog on Jul 12, 2008 10:24 AM EDT 0 recs
Lincecum
pitches on Sunday night—today it’s Correia v. Harden
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by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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Molina and TLR
I gotta give TLR credit for moving Yadi to 5th last night. Wasn’t sure why but when I just saw on the P-D that he is hitting for the highest average among NL catchers against LHP it made sense. Sure enough a couple hits, two RBI. nice call there, and nice to see Yadi swinging well.
by paposse on Jul 12, 2008 10:43 AM EDT 0 recs
Also
I think maybe TLR was trying to shake up the lineup a bit after really stagnant offense in Pittsburgh. If it was just Yadi hitting lefties better, he would have been hitting there the entire week since they’ve faced nothing but lefties. Dropping Ank down a spot seemed to do him some good too—looked like he was seeing the ball better last night, or it could be that Zach Duke just sucks.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
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*in Philadelphia
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 12, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
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Yadi's Wallet
is the one that says “Bad Mtherfcker” on it.
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by bukowski on
Jul 12, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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I take it
That he doesn’t eat pork either?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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And he will strike down
upon those with great vengeance and with furious anger those who attempt to steal on his cannon arm.
by barry whiteteeth on
Jul 12, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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its a dirty animal
I actually stay away from chicken sometimes…because I cant help but think they are dirty animals
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by jealousblues on
Jul 12, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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Yadi in Top 10 in the NL in Avg. right now!
I never thought I would see Yadi in the Top 10 in batting this far into a season!! By the way Pujols is at #2 batting .350…..he passed Berkman who is hitting .347.
by KYCards on
Jul 12, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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same here
Yadi is having an amazing here, and appears to have blossomed into a good hitter… which I sort of thought he would remain pretty average. although he did show signs of this last season. So I take it Chipper Jones is the only one ahead of the Mang in the average dept?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 12, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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I really liked it as well
If you think about it, why not have a guy hitting .300 in the 5 spot. He’s got what, the 2nd highest BA on our team, meaning he’s got the 2nd highest percentage to drive in the Pujols or Ludwicks or Glaus’ who have gotten on base in front of him. Plus, with an OBP of ~.360, there’s a higher chance of Ankiels HR being much more than solo shots in the 6 spot. I dunno… It seems so simple and obvious with statistics but… I really like the idea.
by Pujols Is A God on
Jul 12, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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Plus a little power
behind him and not just singles hitters like Kennedy, Iz2, Ryan – means there’s less chance for just going station to station because of his lack of speed. A double should at least get him to 3rd.
by TNTinCO on
Jul 12, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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All Star Game
When do they announce who our DH will be? Have they announced who will replace Papi for the AL as DH?
Hopefully we get 5 at-bats of Pujols as DH….
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Jul 12, 2008 11:04 AM EDT 0 recs
I'd guess that maybe Braun will DH to start out
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 12, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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I'll take
Josh Hamiton in the Derby—I don’t care who hits for the AL.
Too bad Ryan Howard isn’t in it this year—he could probably one hand a bunch of balls onto the pennant porch….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 12, 2008 11:07 AM EDT 0 recs
i REALLY WISH
slick rick could be in there. You would think that he could maybe make it just so ESPN could keep talking about his amazing story….
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by Molina4MVP on
Jul 12, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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how cool
would a Hamilton v. Ankiel finals be?
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by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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I'd like to see him crank some over the wall
but maybe it’s best he stays out of the media frenzy for now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 12, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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You can have your Hamilton
I’ll take Sizemore with the win. Bank on it.
by Pujols Is A God on
Jul 12, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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dark horse
Chase Utley
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 12, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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I bet Utley will be out in the first round
He’s a line drive hitter who runs into his homers he’s just that good. Make him face 75 mph pitches and I bet he’ll struggle. It’s like Magglio last year.
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by joker24 on
Jul 12, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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Cards
will probably offer lohse…...3yrs 33 ........... Boris will tell him that he can get 4yrs at 50+ million….................. what do you think he schould do? Hes say he likes ST Louey, but they have two aces,,,,,,Carp and Waino…..... the best he will ever be, because of his career numbers is a Jack. Cardinal fans remain sceptical and who could blame them.
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jul 12, 2008 11:19 AM EDT 0 recs
I'd be pretty pleased if we could snag Lohse for a
3Y/33M deal. Even if he regresses back to more of a 4.25FIP pitcher, it gives us a lot of trading chips and a durable rotation option. I don’t know that he’ll take it but he’s been very impressive this season.
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Jul 12, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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Burnett
Probably could get 3 yr/42 million deal for AJ which one would you prefer?
by FlimtotheFlam on
Jul 12, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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I'd
prefer Lohse because he’s less of an injury risk and fits into the organizations mold better.
I like Burnett, but he’s just not consistent enough and gets hurt to often to pony up that kind of money.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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Lohse
he’s consistent, an innings eater, and I just have a good feeling about the guy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jul 12, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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How about both of them?
No. 5 could be McClellan/Wellemeyer/Pineiro. Pretty nice rotation.
by Red in Chicago on
Jul 12, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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I'm not sure it's the money...
That will keep us from signing him, I think it’ll be the length of contract. He’s probably going to want a 5 year deal someplace, and considering how well he’s pitched over the last 12 months he’s probably going to get it from someone.
I don’t see Mo offering more than a 3 or 4 year deal. They have WW locked up for four more years, and Carp locked up for a bit longer than that at big $$$. With all of the pitching in the minor leagues, why would the front office tender a 5 year deal to a #3 starter? Unless we’re planning on signing him and then dealing some pitching prospects for middle infield help, I don’t think it makes sense organizationally to sign him longer than three years. I’d be happy with a 3Y/33M as long as the contract is front loaded with a minimal (say $8 million) in the final year so that he’s a decent trade chip that offseason. With Boggs, Garcia, and Todd in the minors it would make sense for the team, but not necessarily for Lohse.
IMO, nothing will happen until after the season. Boras clients always exercise their options to be free agents to play the market a bit.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Jul 12, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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Frontloading it wouldn't make any sense
You’d rather just eat the money 3 years down the line if it came to that than pay it now. The difference in NPV between a contract structured 8-12-13 vs. 13-12-8 is ~1.5 million depending on your discount rate.
On that note, the fact that A-Rod’s deal was “mid-loaded” was severely underrated it’s the equivalent of a backloaded 300 million dollar deal .
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by joker24 on
Jul 12, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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Actually, if Boras is his agent
which he is, he is more likely to ask for another 1-year deal. That’s a pretty common Boras strategy. Though a career year might make it too tempting to pass up a long-term option. The whole thing pisses me off because Lohse has indicated he would like to stay in St. Louis. You could argue they should make an offer to him in-season, with him at his peak value. This way, Mo can say well, we’re going to pay you like an 11-2 pitcher, even if you go 5-9 the second half. Three years for a little more than Soupcan got feels about right.
by Red in Chicago on
Jul 12, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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let's hope that if Boras starts talking like that, Jeff Weaver calls Kyle up and says. . .
“It’s working for you there, right? Trust me: the one year deal is not worth it.”
by tom s. on
Jul 12, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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Jeff Weaver career earnings: ~40 million
Jeff Weaver. He of the 93 ERA+.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on
Jul 12, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Not making alot of sense there Red
Boris has often set the market, but not of late. Along with stirring up all of these rivalries, yanks-sox…cards – cubs.mets -phills…...the owners and there PR machines are crreating a Bull market…...........37mill for 3yrs for Lidge, an injury prone closer, and thats not Boris….Santana’s deal, not Boris….............Boris soes not incorurage 1yr deals. He also will not collapse the market by dealing a guy like Lohse because St. Louis fans tend to be fantasy baseball folks, trying to live within there budgets, below the market. The Yankees lead in the collusion effort, trying to take advantage of there young pitching. They saved a fortune and theoretically stand to make a fortune by establishing the value of youg pitchers.
Didn’t work of course. I would offer Lohse 3yrs at 36mill and have him tell his agent to jump in a lake,alla A-Rod…..........
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 12, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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For the love of god
It’s Boras.
The Yankees lead in the collusion effort, trying to take advantage of there young pitching.
That’s not collusion, that’s intelligence.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on
Jul 12, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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And you are what
A Fantasy Owner….......am I right.
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 12, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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I'm not debating collusion in other cases
The Yankees not dealing the farm in order to sign Johan to a 7 year deal isn’t collusion.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on
Jul 12, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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They made offers
and in collusion….with the Redsoxx…...agreed to with draw their offers. There Press apparatus made it seem like “gentleman GM’s agree”. They know there will be a suit, but they are playing the “damages aginst the gains” game.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 12, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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They made joke offers of Ian Kennedy + Tabata
The Red Sox didn’t need him and acted that way. I don’t know why this doesn’t make sense.
Accusing Hank Steinbrenner of colluding to help other owners is comical.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on
Jul 12, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
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You seem to be challenged in some way Joker.
If the twins aren’t idots, they have Lester and that young outfielder, pus two other prospects. they waited too long.
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jul 12, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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