Game 93 overflow
by lboros on Jul 10, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
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Printphillies lead it 4-1 heading into the 7th; cards can't solve the old geezer, who is the same age as me. (i am left-handed too . . . . )
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at least you've got something
j/k
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But what does your velocity
sock height look like?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Ankiel has been impatient
rocketed one off of Moyer, popped up and struck out.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping that having been a pitcher
would give Ankiel more discipline
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ank has been swinging at a lot of first pitches.
unsuccessfully.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That play almost looked like a cartoon
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
nasty
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell is up with Duncan?
It’s starting to make me mad. That stuff shouldn’t be acceptable.
go cards.
It seems that both times in the past 3 games he was just trying to hurt the other guy.
He wasn’t going for 2nd base on that one.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you even see the play?
even the announcers think that could end up getting one of the Cardinals hurt. There is hard playing baseball and stupid , that was the latter.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no I did not see it I just figured someone way over stated it like usual around here.
I will watch a replay tonight maybe and see what I see…....
look at the first chance you get
that just isnt the way baseball should be played
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that looked dirty
he went out of his way to break that up, looked like he was trying to roll him. luckily rollins didnt get hurt
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nothing wrong with going out of your way to break up a dp
as long as you’re within reach of the bag, then you’re fine.
In this case, it’s boarderline whether or not he could have gotten the bag and he went in late. The Philly announcers said he went in high, but I don’t really think that was the case. He went in late.
And Duncan’s always been one to break up a double play. That’s the way he plays the game, and when you do, sometimes you’re a little more out of position than other times. This time it was boarderline, but I wouldn’t call it dirty.
Well of course you'd say that
your sn is TACKLEbox…
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
and I’m a dirty, crusty baseball guy who is more from the mold of the Duncans and LaRussa than the guys who peel off and like to have conversations on the diamond.
oh, well…
i was just making a little joke
and I respect that mold.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i know
good catch too.
And you better respect that mold or someone might put a spike in your ass!!!!!
I like good hard baseball
I thought that was more than that. I still think it was. I think it was evident he was nowhere near the bag.
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 10, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
damn it, I posted on this topic again, oh well
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 10, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
lol.
I agree with you. I thought it was a bit more than just hard baseball. And, yes, apparently you like this topic a bit more than you would hope.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
damn this addictive site
damn thee all to hell! *
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 11, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
why we are still on a thread when the game ended 5+ hours ago
is unbeknownst to me.
I’m gonna chalk it up to be the best fans in baseball.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
i am suffering from insomnia, you?
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 11, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
eh. just thinking too much about the cards.
after missing them for 7 weeks due to a stint out of the country, i am happy to be back. Checking the standings everyday just wasn’t enough to give a fix to my obsession.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I've noticed that a few of the other blogs
have a ‘Postgame Wrap-up’ thread. VEB does not, mostly because our writer’s put a TON of work into insightful writing for the daily posts where other sites don’t have that luxury.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 11, 2008 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
hard slide out of the basepath to break up the double play
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Yes, that was a dirty play.
No excuse, If ryan did that he would be off the team.
what the heck is happening?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
haha
Go Duncan ;-)
make up for Mathers feableness…
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lasjfdslfjiofwgobbldygook
just a weak butt slow hit up the middle double play ball.
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it has become offensively bad!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It looked like a splitter to me, heh
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
do something
you are supposed to hit the ball into play
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
ha,
now that i see the replay he was three feet away from the bag. Oh well
it will be interesting to see the other shoe drop
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You can easily end a catcher's career
the way he slid into home (the catcher) on tuesday.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that was a weird situation though
the catcher was laying in front of home plate
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
I was laughing
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
p.s.
anything there will be a great incribit in battery sales in the greater Philadelphia area?
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
On another not, why did kennedy start over miles against the lefty?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
you'd have to ask TLR
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
soft tossing lefties
Another pathetic inning for the Cardinals. They cannot get anything done against soft tossing lefties….
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
by Cardinal Red State on Jul 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
I cant understand this
This has been a problem for like 4 years now, right?
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
we don't want to hurt them
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Blow it up!
Trade Anderson, etc for Brian Roberts, sign Barry Bonds, win World Series!
Roberts 2B
Ankiel CF
Pujols 1B
Bonds LF
Glaus 3B
Molina C
Izturis SS
Pitcher
Skippy RF
With Ludwick sprinkled in there.
Ok, venting over…back to reality.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
sounds ok to me
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Got to do something soon
only scoring 2 runs or less every game will take us out of the Wild Card hunt real quick.
plus
it makes baseball really boring
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You know if I were a team going to face the Cards
I would never pitch a righty against them….teams could bring up a AA lefty and they would shut us down.
Actually, you might just want to sign a kid off a high school team for a day
Guys in the minors might throw too hard to get the Cardinals out.
I was thinking that too.
It seems that other teams are catching on to that as well.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We actually have a winning record against lefty starters this year (17-16).
That’ll be .500 after tonight, but still. We’ve faced the second most lefty starters in the NL.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 10, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
that might have something more to do with the pitching
in those games than the hitting. I don’t know, but it sure does seem this team hasn’t hit a lefty worth a crap in weekks.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
lefties
the mets did call up a minor leaguer and saved santana for the phillies…And they got a win.
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by Cardinal Red State on Jul 10, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
my bad
He pitched like a lefty against us. He is a RHP.
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by Cardinal Red State on Jul 10, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
nap
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
not much on the ol' noodle right now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Shockingly, seeing your team get shutdown
for the umpteenth time gets boring.
by Jamie Moyer
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You must not ever seen any
Dodgers games.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Now would be a good tme for a Molina pick off
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
+1
its just that Rollins keeps fouling everything off.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
three runs in two innings isn't impossible, certainly
And this team tends to just pound relievers that they see well. And Moyer’s gone now.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
good riddance
to the soft tossing lefty
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
3 runs
would be an offensive outburst.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been done before.
And I’ve seen the cardinals do it before against Brad Lidge
Dammit, Kennedy
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Jim Edmonds ain't
walkin through that door.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
woohoo
I loe Phillips!
anyhoo…
I want to see Garcia pitch now
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Boy, I thought he was out
AGAIN on the throwdown.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
apparently
the ump cant see through the dust raised by the hand before it hits the bag. Automatic Safe call.
boo nonetheless.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 10, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Villone get LHBs out?
If not, game is over.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
I sure hope he can
oh please oh please oh please!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 10, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if there's one thing he can do
I think that’s it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Lilly done in the 3rd inning?
1st and 3rd, 1 out. Gallagher in.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
I thought Gallagher was traded?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I still firmly believe that
the season will come down to a one game playoff started by Miles and Pie.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
sounds about right
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
or is it marshall...?
the world may never know
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
Come on Captain Ron! Double play!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
close. I'll still take 1.
And I don’t know if that was retaliation there at 2nd, but it looked like it.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
similar, but not as hard of a slide
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
And he grabbed Ryan's ankle
which is even less legal.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say WAY outside...
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Howard DOES stirkeout
man, I thought it was just a myth!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
wow
that’s some funny shit. I should get someone to sponsor me taking a dump
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe they should sponsor Cardinal runs...
since apparently they only come one-a-day also.
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ludwick hit that ball harder than Howard
yet routine flyball.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
its all in the gut
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
someone needs to check the balls
i think philly is cheating
Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.
that's what they do best
right?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like that
that doesn’t sound right
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He was really fooled by strike two, certainly
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
His strength makes up for the fact that
he hasn’t hit the ball squarely in almost a week.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems to know which pitches he is going to swing at
before the pitcher throws them.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
so he's a precog?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, doesn't albert have to slump a bit longer than THIS
before we start complaining about him like this? It’s freakin’ Albert!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
i don't think people are complaining.
just trying to figure out what’s wrong.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
true
he’s still almost at .350
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
That is all I have to say about that.
Right now the Pirates are not the team I want to face next
with us only scoring 1-2 runs a game. We may be 2 games behind the Brewers after this weekend.
hopefully
we’ll get a spark from facing their amazing pitching
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I am so ready for the all-star break
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I'd rather watch them lose
than not watch them at all.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want to see the team take a nice break
And come back rejuvenated
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JC Romero, not Lidge, is warming up
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
romero?
time to break out the zombie analogy?
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fernando Tatis has almost generated as much offense in 1
game than we have in this 3 game series.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
so is he David Wright's backup?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it does seem that way
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There's the most arbitrary and selectively enforced rule in sports
except for maybe offensive holding in football
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
and possibly traveling in BB
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Andy Pettite used to drive me nuts. I swear he balked every time he went to first.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
He does
It’s insane
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It used to piss me off even more when I heard the Houston announcers talk about
how he had such a great pickoff move.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I love DPs
(when the Cards are the ones turning them) and I really dislike soft-tossing lefties (when the Cards are the ones trying to hit them).
And this time it wasn't a pullable ball
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Yadi = impossible to double off
oh wait…
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
This is so weird to have the phans not having a reason to hate, hate hate the cardinals
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I thought they may boo Duncan cause of the incident at 2nd.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, there's that
but I remember the glory days when we had Drew and rolen. Man, they hated us then.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
well...Phillies fans have reason to be bitter.
They aren’t that good at playing baseball.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
duncan facing so many left-handed pitchers
anyone think they might be trying (gambling?) to up his trade value by giving him a shot as an everyday player?
Deflating his rate stats isn't the way to do it
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
That takeout play at 2b really pissed off the crowd
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Full Count
will strikeout on good changeup.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
dont want to bring up the tying run i reckon
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
zi wonder
if he wishes he had rhat first pitch back
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Why not Skippy here?
Or are they bringing in a lefty?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Tony must not believe
in the lefty-righty matchups this series
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
They brought in a LHP
so it is defensible.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure would like to see Miles grit one into the 2nd or 3rd row in left field
Fair, of course
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Is the bunt sign on?
God I hope not
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No
over the plate at the letters
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
well. i take that back then.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
PH Iz2 for Kennedy?
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Got ahead of myself
I’ve been terrible on here lately
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I think I'd still send Skippy up
that hit here.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
skippy shoulda started instead of Duncan
but that’s a whole ‘nother story
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
crap!
time for a smoke
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
ryan
is still up for my slow assed tv
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
its not over yet
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well ESPN should be happy now that we are in 3rd place.
so they can focus on two teams in the NL Central they don’t mind covering.
e.specially s.tupid p.eople n.agging
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why didn't Dunc advance on "fielder's indifference"?
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he wants to wait until he can take out someone
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by ihavebadknees on Jul 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He could still take out J-Roll
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theres the game
crap
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keep. hope. alive.
good AB, ryan
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
true.
nonetheless, I would have loved to see that ball fall.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonuvabitch
This team sucks right now
Plain and simple
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More inept offense
Dodgers
Cardinals
Diamondbacks
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
No!
More the reason to wait it out and see whether this team goes and if it doesn’t make more sense to trade away the over-achievers (Ludwick and Lohse).
How does signing Bonds effect the
‘wait and see’ approach?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Takes up payroll space
that might be required to trade for either an established player or to take on another team’s bad contract as part of a deal for young talent.
I don't think the $1 M asking price
Bonds has is going to eat up any substantial payroll space.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
Bonds will play for $1 million. He may be a pariah, but I don’t think he is going to come out of retirement for so little.
it looks like Bonds agent
even marketed Bonds at the minimum salary
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
he never retired
he has even offered to donate his salary this year to charity. sounds like he’d be an ok fit.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the money mean nothing with Bonds
his production will far outweigh any salary he is likely to get. If $1M is all that would be holding this team back they might as well mail it in.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
matty watch out some ya-hoo will talke about him being a CANCER..
Oh wait Bonds has played on plenty of teams that made the play-offs and he went to the World Series….
People despite your belief all the Cards love each other, they do not all get along.
exactly
if Barry’s still in playing shape, which i heard he was not, i would be all for the Cards giving him a try. he can’t make any thing worse.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Today on FoxSports
Borris said Bonds continues to work out and would only need 10 days of taking live pitches to be ready to play if a team is willing to sign him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think changing his reputation
by getting on another team and (hopefully) being successful will be worth more to Bonds than money. If he can fix his tarnished career with a new season, it’d be worth it to take a pay cut.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
plus
maybe he could go over 800 home runs as a cardinal. doubtful, but maybe, just maybe…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
people do change
Too bad people refuse to give Barry a chance
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 10, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.......
So a guy is desparate for a job, so desparate he’s willing to play for the league minimum or to donate his salary to charity.
Not a sign he is or is willing to change. It’s a sign he’s willing to do anything to further his own record. You don’t think he looks at guys like Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols and thinks his record might fall?
He’s been all about himself for over 40 years. Why should I or anyone think he would ever change now?
I might have been pouring it on a bit thick there
Yeah Barry probably isn’t the best person to defend in this circumstance. I just never have thought he was the evil person he has been made out to be.
I don’t know the guy , I don’t know what he has been like outside of baseball, I just know what the media reports and who knows how much that means. Maybe he gives a lot of money to charity. We never hear anything about that. Only negative things get reported about Barry, but I agree he mostly has himself to blame for that.
I still think he is worth it.
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 11, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, and as much as he may be good in a Card's uniform...
TLR has basically said it isn’t going to happen. So all of our wishes/speculation/do not wants aren’t really going to amount to anything.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yeppers
That was about to be the gist of my next comment on this matter
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by mattyfrommo on Jul 11, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
to be honest...
im kind of with you on that.
If we fall out of it, id trade Ludwick like there is no tomorrow.
Do youthink a playoff team could use him? Im sure they would.
And I dont think he will ever consistantly play like he did in the first half
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by jealousblues on Jul 10, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The team that could use him
Would be the Giants or Mets. Giants to get a young pitcher like Cain or the Mets to add another outfield bat.
The Cubs will win that game
Reds could be up by 10 and they would still come back. They are playing at Wrigley….
We'd better be able to score
against the pitching they’re sending against us.
Sweep going into the ASB and finish the first half with a 4-2 road trip.
Piece o’ cake.
yea. Ryan out of a difficult pop up.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 10, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He was the difference today
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what happened to the offense
is the real question. how do you win with 1 run?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut out the other team :D
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not likely
especially with the Phillies
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
4 runs in eight innings = 4.5 ERA, and in a small ballpark
It wasn’t a great performance, but it wasn’t a horrible performance, either.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
The offense needs a serious kick in the pants
Jim Hayes mentioned earlier this week that a lot of the guys in the clubhouse were asking him what he had heard about Matt Holliday getting dealt and how excited they’d be if it happened… Like they know they’re still a piece away from being able to make some real noise.
I really hate to blame bad baseball on something non-capturable and tangible like emotions and mindset, but the team may just be really down on themselves right now.
Well who the hell can see forever?
If anyone cares,
when Rollins was asked about Duncan’s hard slide he said, “We have another series with him, so we’ll have a chance to get back at ‘em.”
go cards.
Awesome
You better watch those Duncan boys if you play SS or 2B!
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Screw Rollins.....
The play looked alot worse than it was. If you ask me, its just payback for their pitcher not getting ejected in the previous series for beaning Ryan.
They had a chance at payback if they felt they needed to, and they didn’t take it. Now they just need to shut their mouths and enjoy the victory.
my take earlier......
I did not see the play…..
In college baseball as a runner breaking up the double play you must at least be able to touch the bag while sliding otherwise the umps call you out for interference… Obviously the umps let it slide a bit and generally if your hand is within a foot of the bag you are allowed to go after the middle infielder.
Now how far away from the bag was Duncan? The way people reacted they made it seem like Dunc was in the outfield….. Now be objective and let me know how much worse it was than the college rule.
Three to four-ish feet from the bag
no way would he have been able to touch it.
Then he used his arms to undercut and flip Rollins. Not a smart play.
Well who the hell can see forever?
His arms.....
We wasn’t trying to flip Rollins, he was trying to protect his face. It just happens, he did both of them.
but that puts him close to being a foot away from the bag
a little lean and some reach from a big dude like Duncan and you can make the argument he could have gotten close. And I disagree with the intent on the flip of Rollins. They were in total contact and that’s a natural reaction when you’ve got a guy’s pelvis right in your grill. Victorino made an effort to take out Ryans legs. Duncan at least went with the body check.
But, imo, it was boarderline. I can see where Rollins would be upset and that’s fine. If he wants to “work it out” with Duncan, I’m sure Chris would oblige.
Agree to disagree
and Victorino wouldn’t have done anything if Duncan hadn’t the previous inning, so I don’t think we have anything to complain about.
Well who the hell can see forever?
I'll give you the agree to disagree, I've always been willing to concede that point
But, even if you truly believe Duncan’s slide was an attempt to injure, then how can you then condone what Victorino did for the sole reason of revenge?
Because I'm nonsensical?
Sports are about the only thing which I am still fine by people playing “eye-for-an-eye” style justice.
Well who the hell can see forever?
this will be my last comment on this, because it is a moot point
but he was not anywhere close to being able to touch the bag.
My problem was the same problem I had with Victorino’s slide later: you just don’t try to flip the 2B or SS, it is just asking for an injury to happen.
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Victorino's slide was a hundred times worse
His slide was a blatant attempt to take out the fielder and when he couldn’t get that done, he stuck his arm out and tried to take Ryan’s legs out while he was in the air. Duncan was off the bag and he slid late, but if there’s an issue of going high, it was because he was sitting straight up and his shoulders are basically at Rollins’ hip.
I disagree with you on the Duncan slide (slightly) but agree with you that it’s a moot point and that Victorino’s slide was much worse, and was an obvious attempt at retaliation.
I think the next series is going to be interesting.
meh
It’s (sliding to break up DP’s) is a stupid rule, but it’s the rule. As is the stupid rule that SS/2B’s don’t have to touch the bag. As it is written, it’s a judgment call, and no one was hurt.
if the Phils really care, they can petition to have it reviewed and have Duncan suspended, or they can throw at him next time. Or they can petition to have those two rules changed (can’t change one without changing the other, imho).
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
I agree.
Both rules have to change, and the 2nd baseman having to touch the bag would be more important to me. If he is on the bag, than one can’t argue that the player was sliding for any reason other than to get on the bag.
i just think that after the slide into the catcher the other night, maybe Duncan should have been a bit more careful about what he was sliding into. We don’t need a career ending injury to follow one of our players. Especially a player that isn’t that fantastic to begin with.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
The “ghost tag” of 2nd is my 2nd least favorite rule in baseball (right behind the DH)
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Oh, man
you totally just invited an infield fly rule debate.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
who’s opposed to the infield fly rule?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I'm not necessarily opposed
I can see the reasoning behind it, but the strategy would definitely be VERY interesting without it. That’s the only reason I’d be against it, to see the runners go halfway from first and second on a popout to the pitcher
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but what if it was defined as a fly ball on the grass?
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
How would it be interesting?
One way or the other, the defense gets a DP on every infield pop-up with a runner on first.
only with runners on first and second
since the guy who hits the ball will usually beat out a play at first. Since infielders already get double plays on almost every ground ball hit, I don’t see that it would be a huge problem…
The biggest problem would be that it would make the infielders look silly, and every now and then something would happen that would cause everyone to be safe.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
I just think the rule needs to be more clearly defined.
It either needs to be in the infield or caught by an infielder. Otherwise, it is open to too much speculation.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He's basically taking his life in his own hands
he does realize his dad is the pitching coach, right?
Wow, Adam Dunn is country strong
he hit a house on the other side of Sheffield at Wrigley.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
awesome
I’ll have to see that one later
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Since this depressing game is over,
I have something to share with the group. Last night I went to the Cove to see the River Bandits take on the South Bend Silverhawks. Quad Cities won 8-2. Brett Wallace batted clean-up and went 1 for 4 with a single and a K (also HBP). He is one BIG guy, but he runs the bases pretty well. He sent some foul balls out of the park, but otherwise I didn’t get to see his power. He played third and I was VERY impressed with his arm. What a cannon! With men on first and second, he started a double play by catching a line drive and doubling the guy off first. Next batter struck out and the inning was over. Nice! Pete Kozma went 1 for 4 with a single, a K and a SF RBI. QC definitely played better D than the Hawks last night. Richard Castillo pitched 6 innings, 2 runs (both earned) on 5 hits, 2 BBs and 4 Ks, 1 HBP. Got autographs from both Brett and Pete, which was sweet. That is my mini report from “Down-On-The-Farm—Low A style”.
that is much less depressing than this game
much appreciated
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thanks
I hope the Bandits are in town on the 18th through 20th
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
cool
they are. my nephew is getting out of the air force that weekend, we are there!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to Chicago, Gaudin
David Ross jacked one into the seats off of him
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Yes,
by half a game. We stay the same distance from first place (4.5 GB), but the Brew Crew move ahead of us into second (4 GB).
I stand by my longstanding belief that the standings don't matter until the all star break
all that matters is staying in striking distance.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
the playoff picture is still murky
that’s for certain
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
While the standings don't matter
the tending of the team somewhat does. The Cardinals offense is getting worse, the bullpen is in tatters and our rotation that is a patchwork is now 1 starter short any way you slice it.
We’ve got some holes in the ship and the ‘we can do it attitude’ of the team seems to be wearing off.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not THAT worried about our pen.....
Sure, we could use a LOOGY, but I trust, for the most part, Kmac, Franklin, and Izzy. Perez is decent, Springer is pitching well, and Villone and Thompson both fill a role. Not sure what else you want.
A bullpen that doesn't lead the league in loses
and blown saves, for starters.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it’s definitely been our offense and starting pitching that’s been winning us games. we’ll need that to continue…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.....
But that factored in an ineffective Izzy, and moved Franklin into a role he wasn’t meant for. The losses is more a result of the lack of offense and poor SP performances, than anything.
And don’t forget, we suffered through having Reyes in the pen for awhile too.
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 10, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes only has 1 loss
I don’t think he is really even that much of a consideration when looking out our bullpen woes.
What makes us think the bullpen is ‘fixed’? We haven’t won too many close games since the team notched it’s 19th blown save of the season.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And outside of adding a LOOGY.....
Exactly what kind of moves are you proposing?
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 10, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd look for a Loogy like Marte
and another RH reliever to replace Franklin or Izzy, take your pick. We both know Izzy is going to be installed as the closer so he can get to 300 so Franklin it is. I’d like to have a dominate RH to step in after Izzy muddles his way to these final 8 saves he needs.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 10, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep dreaming
No way TLR allows Mo to dump Franklin. He’s one of Tony’s “boys.” If we acquired a RHP for the ‘pen we’d probably ship Perez back to Memphis.
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By and large
the starting pitching has been fine, and outside of some starts lately that could have gone an inning or two longer, we haven’t found ourselves with insurmountable leads like last year. In this series alone, our starting pitching (and I’ll include Thompson with the starters) gave up 0, 2, and 4 runs. Hardly poor performances. And in the cubs series, the starters gave up 2, 2, and 3 runs. Looper and Lohse both pitched 7 innings against the cubs and Wellemeyer pitched only 5. Against the Phillies Pineiro threw 6.1 innings, Mulder/Thompson threw 5 (and were lucky to get that), and Looper threw 6. So in that span of 6 games the bullpen only had to enter the game before the 7th inning only twice.
With all the consternation over finding another starter, I’m still not seeing it. Is the rotation perfect? No, but it hasn’t been perfect for a while. But it’s still not this teams greatest need. As of right this instance, the areas of concern are:
1. Offense
2. Bullpen
3. Rotation
And lately the offense and bullpen have been bouncing back and forth juggling between the first and second spots on that list. But who knows tomorrow. I think the Cardinals (or maybe it’s just Pujols?) have historically had success in PNC, and while I know there’s really no basis for that success or that it will continue, there’s always the chance they’ll put up 8 runs tomorrow.
Anyway, I just don’t think it’s justifiable to keep calling out the starting pitchers when they’re clearly the strongest/most consistant aspect of this team.
I'm going to the game on Saturday
which, if recent history shows, I will get berated by drunk Pirates fans the Cardinals will find a way to lose it late.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 11, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't get on drunk Pirates fans too hard
They’ve been driven to drink by 15+ years of ineptitude
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and it won't be too bad.
there’s like, what, 7 pirates fans total?
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
broke my heart
my little sister did grad school at carnegie mellon, and was just back from a year in taiwan, so {by synchronicity, not intentionally} I took her (and my folks) to the game in STL on labor day last year. (still the only game I’ve been at in new Busch). The brat wore a pirates hat and Kip Wells gave up something like 35 runs in 3 innings, or something. Jiminez was the saving grace of the day, since he was somehow less awful than Kip.
Still haven’t heard the end of it. Not sure why, as she is the traitor in the family and I should be the one giving her crap…
(and that was like the day before the ankiel HGH thing that derailed our season…)
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
Ugh. that's rough.
My older brother is the one who got me into this site, so I’m sorry to hear that all brother/sister relationships aren’t as healthy as ours. Hopefully she’ll learn that being a pirates fan is no way to go through life.
But, at least she’s not a cub supporter.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
My little bro couldn't care less about baseball
He’s not really into sports the way I am in general, though.
Dad’s a Braves fan, Mom likes the Cardinals
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I have a younger sibling
that’s a cubs supporter. I think this is the first year he’s actually paid a lot of attention to baseball
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
makes sense in a way
Taiwan was a pirate haven for centuries :-)
I’ll never forget the first time I went to a pro ballgame on Taiwan. I ended up about three rows from one of two competing brass bands. The dried squid and beer my neighbors kept giving me, more than made up for going home half deaf. Great place, great fans. /end digression
I am envious of you
I just got back from China, where the locals are basically obsessed with basketball. When I brought up baseball, the most informed person i talked to said that he knew that Michael Jordan played for a bit and wasn’t very good. Sigh. It was a rough couple months.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome back!!!
When I lived there in the 80s, Jordan-mania had seized Taiwan. Saw some really, really strange moves in pick-up basketball games.
There are generations of Taiwanese with fond memories of waking up at 3am to see their Little Leaguers in the LLWS. Great place for baseball lovers. I only lived there for a few years, but have lots of baseball stories.
Found this little blurb on MLB.com
The Cardinals had a scout watching the Nationals recently, though it is unclear which player(s) were being scouted—perhaps Tim Redding or Odalis Perez, both available inexpensive options who have been pitching well lately.
would hope they at least looked at
cristian guzman… he’s no jhonny peralta, but he’d be a nice pickup, and probably signable for the future.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
Tim Redding?
Decent, but he doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in me.
Maybe they’re thinking about kicking the tires on Belliard again?
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Redding seems like a Suppan type
so he wouldn’t be horrible but I would hope we wouldn’t have to give up too much for him.
I want no part of Perez. Guzman would be a very good upgrade at SS!!
I think I'd rather Mozeliak do nothing
that any of those moves.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 11, 2008 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
falliard.
"When you're in a slump, it's almost as if you look out on the field and it's one big glove. " -Vance Law.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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