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alright, so that’s over with; the depths of mark mulder’s value have been plumbed, and he has made the cardinals’ leadership look blind for the final time. at an individual level, i feel bad for mulder; he’s put a lot of effort into his comeback, and apparently it has all been for nothing. but the guy did get fair compensation for his labor, to the tune of $13 million, so i’m not brimming over with sympathy. at a team level, i’m glad they resolved this question without having to suffer through another 20-run pounding (or 3); of all the incredibly ill-advised c’mon-mulder starts we have witnessed over the last 3 seasons (last night’s was the 6th, by my count), this one inflicted the least amount of pain upon cardinal fans. they actually had a decent chance to win the game.

joe strauss says jaime garcia will get the call to take mulder’s roster spot and, presumably, take a few turns in the rotation. the cards hit the all-star break in 4 days, so they won’t need a 5th starter until july 21 at home vs milwaukee; we’ll probably see garcia pitch in relief between now and then (he last pitched on july 6). and there’s no guarantee that jaime will be the 5th starter when one is needed; he has pitched beyond the 5th inning in only 5 of his 12 starts at triple A, and his control has gotten progressively worse --- 2 walks per 9 innings in may, 3.5 per 9 in june, and almost 6 bb per 9 so far in july. he’s got big-league talent, but the stats suggest he still isn’t quite ripe. hopefully the stats are missing something . . . .

strauss also reports that tony is pushing for a trade to counter the cub / brewer moves; he purports to speak for the clubhouse. the article says he "emphasized the need to better protect first baseman Albert Pujols within the lineup during a meeting last week with Mozeliak and Chairman Bill DeWitt Jr" (matt holliday, cough cough). to me, that’s not the most pressing area of concern. at the time he went out, albert was having a pretty typical season --- 1.106 ops, isolated power close to .300, on pace for 35 homers, 100 runs, 100 rbi --- and while the injury left his counting stats a bit light, his rate stats remain close to his career norms. the cards are getting what they need from el hombre; it’s not clear how better "lineup protection" (if you believe such a thing even exists) will translate into better production from him and more wins for the team. moreover, where is this protecting bat going to play? presumably the outfield, unless la russa has in mind a 2b or ss who can bat cleanup. cardinal outfielders continue to excel offensively; they rank 2d in the league in homers, 3d in rbi, 3d in slugging average, and 3d in isolated power. two of their outfielders are already on pace for 30 homers . . . . so where is the marginal gain in adding a slugging outfielder to "protect" albert? i don’t see it.

ok, maybe they could use a right-handed platoon bat to prop them up vs southpaw pitching; any time you have to be aaron miles 6th (as the cards did last night vs the lefty rookie), you’ve got some issues. may i propose milton bradley, whom i coveted during the off-season signing market? he is slugging .690 against lhp this season and has slugged well above .500 vs them cumulatively over the last 4 seasons; his ops away from the hitter-friendly arlington ballpark is a healthy .867. coming off a knee injury, bradley was confined to dh’ing for the first 2 months of the year, but he now has made 20 starts in the outfield, most of them since june 1. the rangers got him on a 1-year deal, and because of his limited playing time over the last few years he won’t be a type A free agent when he walks at the end of this season; might not even be a type B. that’ll lower his price on the trade market; he still won’t come cheaply, but it’s very possible the cards can get him without giving up a major prospect. if they can get him for something along the lines of reyes and duncan (and maybe that’s wishful thinking), he’d make the team better.

if he’s too costly, then how about the rockies’ ryan spilborghs? slugging .603 vs southpaws this year, .586 vs them in 2007; ops above .800 away from coors field in both seasons. he could platoon w/ skip schumaker, come off the bench, plays all 3 outfield positions decently . . . . but no thank you to clint barmes, another rhb from the same roster. his name always seems to come up, and he does play shortstop, but he’s a coors field mirage --- ops is just .720 at regular altitude this year and was .635 in 2005, the only other good season that barmes has had.

given that the greatest need for offense lies in the middle infield, may i propose (as i seem to do every year) rich aurilia, who still has some life in his bat at 36 years old? (pauses to let hisses die down. . . . . .) he has mostly played 1b this year, but aurilia made 18 starts in the middle infield last year and 30 starts there 2 years ago; he surely could play 2b as well as scott spiezio, who made 4 starts at 2b last season. aurilia is a career .492 slugger vs left-handed pitching; this year he’s slugging .500 vs them in 76 at-bats. and overall he’s hitting .306 / .373 / .479 away from run-smothering pac bell park. the trouble is, to fit him onto the roster you’d have to get rid of miles (which tony will never allow to happen) or send brendan ryan down to memphis (shouldn’t happen).

personally, i still think the team would be best served by adding another starting pitcher. the formula that worked for them early in the year --- consistent starting pitching, superior defense, and just enough offense --- has broken down since wainwright and wellemeyer got hurt; wellemeyer has shown no signs of regaining his april-may form, and wainwright still won’t be back until august 1 or thereabouts. there’s carpenter too, but he is a crapshoot --- even if he returns to the rotation this year, we should assume he’ll need some time to get used to the new elbow and shake off some rust. imho, the only way to get back to where they were is to add a stabilizer for the rotation. they don’t need to add an ace --- that’ll cost too much in the way of prospects. but they need somebody who’s healthy and reliable --- who’s not adjusting to the big leagues, as boggs / parisi / garcia are, nor pitching impaired. randy wolf tossed a pretty game the other night vs the marlins; he’s averaging 6 innings a start this year, hasn’t missed a turn, and boasts a FIP of right around 4.00 for the last two years. or maybe (probably not, but one can hope) they can buy low on aj burnett, who is pitching much better than his 5.23 era suggests; his FIP is only slightly worse than cc sabathia’s. it’s hard to imagine them landing burnett without giving up a lot of talent, but you never know; burnett can walk after this year, so the blue jays don’t have a lot of leverage. suppose mo could get him for bryan anderson plus boggs or mortensen, plus maybe a lesser piece, and in exchange burnett agreed to waive his opt-out clause. anybody biting? i’d be pretty tempted. . . . no way of knowing what the blue jays are asking for a.j., but i certainly hope the cards are inquiring.

as far as the offense goes: their fundamental numbers remain pretty sound. they’re going through one of those stretches where they struggle with RISP and rack up ugly left-on-base totals (12 in last night’s game), but that’s probably just a random thing; for the season as a whole their RISP split is pretty close to their overall batting line, and they are right in the middle of the NL pack in both batting average and ops with RISP. not an ill with a prescribable cure; they just have to ride it out. the good news is they continue to rise in the categories that correspond to repeatable skills --- now up to 6th in homers and 5th in slugging, holding the line at 2d in obp. could the offense be better? absolutely. but pitching wins --- and since wainwright / wellemeyer went down, the cards have been scuffling. i don't see it ending until they get the rotation shored up.

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Mather

Been hoping he would be that impact bat to re-energize the lineup. He looks comfortable at the plate but then takes some hacks at balls out of the zone. Hopefully he gets a few more chances. The bases juiced K last night was disappointing but he battled.

by paposse on Jul 10, 2008 9:08 AM EDT   0 recs

best AB

since that 1 AB in Washington, IMHO. The fact he took 2 pitches up front showed a lot – that’s where he and Stavy (not to mention Rick) have irked me and that’s also why Duncan is still getting ABs.

On that note, I think the key to getting Ankiel is not throwing fastballs or breaking balls, but just balls.

by enoscountry on Jul 10, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 10, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mather

might have done better if he had been allowed to start the 2 game in Philly. Sitting out 2 games against lefties and then asked to come in against a righthander with bases loaded is a lot of pressure on a new rookie. That said I still think I see that Mather has trouble with low outside pitches just like Ludwick does at times. Hitting coach needed?

by ridgesee on Jul 10, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

user of Mather

Agree completely that Mather was not put in a place to succeed. Like that he took a couple of pitches though.

by jjray on Jul 10, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOOGY....

Morning! Aside from every teams wish of another starter, I would say that the most impact low investment move would come from adding a dependable LOOGY to the bullpen. Before everyone starts crowing for Fuentes, most pundits say that Tampa is hot to trot for him. Tampa could give up two top of the line pitching prospects for him and stil have another two or three in the Top 100 prospects.

We don’t have the firepower to win that bidding war.

by Brock20 on Jul 10, 2008 9:09 AM EDT   0 recs

What about Freddy Garcia?

Isn’t he just chilling out in FA land? He wouldn’t take ANY prospects, he’s been pretty durable over his career, and he might just provide the innings-eater we need to stabilize the pitching staff.

He’s not a stud, but given the guys who are currently in the rotation, there’s not a lot to suggest that ANY of them (probably sans Lohse and to a lesser extent, Joel) going even 5 innings in a given start. This pattern has been incredibly taxing on the bullpen.

We need a guy, any guy, to come in and give you innings every 5th game. Garcia has a history of doing that and he would only cost money, which alleviates the concerns of “selling the farm.”

by goodymobb on Jul 10, 2008 9:17 AM EDT   0 recs

+1

might as well kick the tires at the very least.

"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on Jul 10, 2008 9:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+2

No cost in terms of trade. The only problem might be outbidding other teams like the Yankees or Mets…

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by cardsfanindenver on Jul 10, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when'll he be ready?

if i remember right, everything i saw had him back in august, i.e. right when carp and waino supposedly come back. mabye if we’re still in dire pitching straits at that point i’d consider him, but i’d say we should look at guys who will help us make it to that point first.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jul 10, 2008 10:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep, August after a rehab start or three

Garcia may be a better bet than Wolfe with his anti-midwest trade stance…

by cardschinmusic on Jul 11, 2008 4:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately

for all those who are fond of us getting Bradley, I’m one of those people, I believe I saw that he was scratched from his start last night. I didn’t feel like really lookin into it, but it may not be anything too serious.

I tend to agree with all the AJ supporters. I wouldn’t mind given up a few players to acquire him, but only if he could guarantee that he would not opt out of his contract. Then, he’d be a power pitcher that we have for next year. Plus, we could also better the team by being able to get better by trading another one of our lesser starter available because our rotation would be full if everyone came back healthy. Carp, Wainwright, Burnett, Wellemeyer and Piniero w/ the Todds, Garcias, etc all there if something fails. I dunno what exactly the Jays need but there’s no doubt they’d benefit from Anderson, a starter to replace AJ, and a Duncan/Mather? Plus… After that Glaus for Rolen trade that worked out well for both of us, maybe Ricciardi would be willing to give it another shot…

by Pujols Is A God on Jul 10, 2008 9:19 AM EDT   0 recs

not sure about Burnett

I’m not sure how he’s pitching better than his era suggests. What I’ve seen from him this year is a good game bracketed by lousy ones, which is exactly the kind of inconsistency a good-field, hit-just-enough team doesn’t need. And while he may not be Harden-level fragile, he does get hurt fairly often.

by Dr Tom More on Jul 10, 2008 9:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Burnett's problem.

(besides well-documented injury & attitude problems)
ERA w/bases empty = 0.55 (4 ER in 66 IP)
ERA w/runners on base = 11.11 (65 ER in 52 2/3 IP)

His strand rate (64.6%) is the 6th lowest in MLB among starters.. His BABIP (.338) is 7th highest among MLB starters..
Guy can’t pitch out of the stretch. He’s just like other similar pitchers (Javy Vazquez, Ian Snell, Felix Hernandez, Dave Bush, Anthony Reyes, etc.) who’s peripherals are always good but the results don’t seem to match.

Stay away.
Boomer.

by glamboomer on Jul 10, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the Pirates won't trade Snell....

He is their only right handed starter….and they signed him to a long term contract.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 10, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ERA with no one on

Doesn’t that just mean he’s given up 4 solo shots in 66 IP?

by brackenthebox on Jul 10, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Burnett Wed. night

gave up 7 runs on 7 hits with 7 strikeouts. Burnett doesn’t excite me, but he’d be a lot better to have available for some innings than the pitchers who need more time to ripen in minors (Garcia/Boggs/Parisi) and the options who aren’t really options (Thompson/Reyes). It would be nice and more than wishful thinking if we could simply trade Duncan & Reyes (and a PTBNL?) for A.J. as I think those two would be better off with an opportunity in the American League and for a team like Toronto.

For whatever reason I’m not optimistic Wellemeyer will offer much upon his return, but for whatever reason I do think Wainwright may be able to return to form. Wainwright/Looper/Lohse/Burnett would be a decent 1-4 that perhaps would keep Cardinals within a fighting chance in the 2nd half of season. And if Carp makes it back late in the season, that would be a solid starting five, leaving Piniero & Wellemeyer for the long relief/emergency start role. So all-in-all, if the price is right, Burnett would be a plus.

As far as another productive clean-up hitter to protect Albert the Great, haven’t most fans seen that as a major need and been asking for such a big bat since before team signed Encarnacion? Glaus-Ankiel-Ludwick are all look a lot better to me hitting 5, 6 or 7 in the lineup than at 2 or 4.

by RedbirdattheBeach on Jul 10, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take Javy Vazquez

on my team on every day ending in “y”

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 10, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

bradley

bradley’s required several days off with a “sore knee” this year, and the rangers have been playing him primarily as DH to protect the knee. washington made a comment (I think it was last night) that he’s unlikely to play much outfield for a while because they need his bat in the lineup. I wouldn’t view him as an everyday outfielder.

by blahquaker on Jul 10, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll say it: the pitcher to get

is “He Who Shall Not Be Named”—Anthony Reyes. He doesn’t cost us anything and he has proven (on occasion) to be “adjusted to the big leagues” to quote Larry.

I know this open me to all sorts of attacks, but AReyes appears as good as any FA/DFA pitcher we’d likely get.

Before pursuing Burnett, et.al., I’d like to know if Carp, Wainwright, and the Colonel are fit. That means waiting until after the season.

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by gocards62 on Jul 10, 2008 9:20 AM EDT   0 recs

I won't attack, Gocards62

kinda’ makes sense to me, probably too much sense for greater minds to understand.

by ridgesee on Jul 10, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I mean

why the hell not? what are we doing with this guy?

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 12:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's a decoration. A bright, shiny, bauble

that they won’t take out of it’s box.

Seriously. You can make the argument that he shouldn’t get another chance here. Okay. Explain to me then, why you just don’t trade him for another minor leaguer, that would not be “nothing.” It would be another minor leaguer. That’s something. That’s the part I just don’t get….

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 10, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't he still DLed?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 10, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jhonny Peralta

I’m on the bandwagon

by Ray Lankford on Jul 10, 2008 9:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Please no...

unless we buy really low.

by stlfan on Jul 10, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We would be

Have you seen his stats this season?

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 10, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Having seen the stats...

in a different discussion, I take this back.

by stlfan on Jul 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Spilborghs is hurt

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by cardsfanindenver on Jul 10, 2008 9:35 AM EDT   0 recs

Strained Oblique

That could be one of those that lingers the rest of the year.

by RockyMtnRedbird on Jul 10, 2008 9:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Aurila is ok then why not Durham?

He would be an upgrade in the lineup and he owns a infielders glove.

by Harknights on Jul 10, 2008 9:37 AM EDT   0 recs

Just say no

to drugs and middle infielders in their 30s. Seriously, I am no Kennedy fan- not even from the outset, but his glove has to compensate a bit for that bat. Expensive 1 year solutions aren’t the answer in the MI.

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by Zubin on Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Durham

I don’t think he’d be all that expensive. He’s putting up good numbers with the bat, and he’s not terrible defensively—his better bat would more than make up for his glove being slightly worse than Kennedy’s. He’d also be a great guy for Tony’s 9 hole slot in the order since he’s been a leadoff guy before and can get on base at a much better rate that Izturis.

I don’t know what he’d cost, but I don’t think it would be much more than Rich Aurelia, and he’s much better defensively than Aurilia at 2B.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 10, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy, doable trade....

Jose Bautista of the Pirates straight up for #23. It’s Glaus insurance. Yes, I know he’s not sparkling in the field. Adequate, a little pop, Young enough to keep around-helps now and the future.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 10, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hanley Ramirez?

Late in yesterday’s post I threw out there the idea that the only guy I’d trade Rasmus for was Ramirez almost as a joke. Then I got thinking about it and started thinking it may be a somewhat decent idea. Ramirez is only 24 and would fill a huge organizational hole. Yes it would be very hard losing Rasmus, but as lboros pointed out our OFs are more than holding their own and I can see keeping them intact plus some smaller call ups for the next couple of years.

What would Florida need back for Ramirez? Rasmus + Garcia? More? Supposedly they are looking for a ML ready backup catcher, maybe we could throw in LaRue and call up Anderson?

by birdo rojo on Jul 10, 2008 9:38 AM EDT   0 recs

No way

There’s no way I see the Marlins making that deal. They could get so much more for him.

by birdjam on Jul 10, 2008 9:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Florida already has a 21 yr old CF

I’m not sure they would want Rasmus. They have their own star CF prospect in Cameron Maybin, who also happens to be 21.

by RockyMtnRedbird on Jul 10, 2008 9:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cody Ross

Is also having a pretty decent season for them as well and I believe he is manning CF right now.

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by fourstick on Jul 10, 2008 10:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mulder

Whether Mark Mulder is well compensated or not, it can be a tough lesson of how important your health can be, especially for an athlete. Fame can be fleeting. Just the look on his face as he left the mound should make even the toughest critics feel bad for him. Does management have their answer about him now? Do us fans? My concern right now is for Mark the person!
My wish for Mark is if this is the end for him, he be satisfied he did everything in his power to get back to the level he was at. God Bless You Mark!

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by CliffNotes on Jul 10, 2008 9:41 AM EDT   0 recs

I do feel bad for him

but not quite as bad as if he had pitched for us more

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 12:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mark Mulder

$10 million arm
$10 million heart
...
$2 shoulder

by rthorat on Jul 10, 2008 9:49 AM EDT   0 recs

here's to mulder

taking a few years off, then triumphantly returning in a percival-like performance for the 2011 cardinals.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jul 10, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey mo

who do you root for when the Cards & Phillies play each other?

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by cardsfanindenver on Jul 10, 2008 10:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

cards of course

but the phillies are a fun bunch to watch. a bunch of my friends here are phils fans, so it’s easy to get excited, and citizens bank park is a blast. i’ll be back up there for hamels vs. webb on sunday.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jul 10, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

randy wolf

has a 14-team NTC that includes “many midwest clubs, which could pose a problem for the cardinals.”

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/randy-wolf-like.html

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jul 10, 2008 9:57 AM EDT   0 recs

Saw that story

He’s a So. Cal boy and happy there…thankyouverymuch. Wolf isn’t going to work—not only do they have to decide to trade him and like what we offer, but he has to approve the deal. Too many moving parts, IMHO.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 10, 2008 10:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Still a possibility

It’d just cost us more, seems to me that most of these limited no trade clauses are just ways to get the player a raise, another year, etc. We could still do it, it’d just cost us more.

by birdo rojo on Jul 10, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So was Woody Williams

and he ended up being happy with the Cards for a few seasons. If he turns it down, so bet it, but he’s probably only got one more shot to play for a winner and the Dodgers and Angels aren’t calling anytime soon for his services…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 10, 2008 10:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

woody

was a houston native.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jul 10, 2008 11:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

There isn’t a major league team in Houston where he could play. :-o

by Red in Chicago on Jul 10, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he was...

but he ended up going back to the pads after he left St. Louis, and said that one reason he went back is that he like living in SoCal—he still lives out there now…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 10, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

aj burnett

ken rosenthal is reporting that the jays offered burnett to the brewers in exchange for jj hardy. looks to me like an offer we could match. not if riccardi is exclusively looking for middle infield help, but – in terms of overall value – we could match it.

competitive, serviceable, juan gonzalez, blah-blah-blah...let's rebuild!

by redbirds6 on Jul 10, 2008 10:00 AM EDT   0 recs

Even if they are looking for middle infield help

we can still swing a deal for Burnett by involving a third team. Bryan Anderson would have a lot of value to the Marlins, for example.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 10, 2008 10:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you trying to say

We send Bryan Anderson to the Marlins
The Marlins send Hanley Ramirez to the Blue Jays
The Blue Jays send us Burnett

? Unless you’re referring to their 2B (whom I can’t recall right now), this trade would be stupid for the Marlins

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 10, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They have players less valuable than Ramirez

What about someone like Scott Olsen? I’m just pulling that name out of my ass, but They have a bunch of valuable young players/prospects that the Jays might want.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 10, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't mind AJ and Brian Tallet

for say…..Anderson, Motte, Schumaker and a lesser prospect.

As for a bat….. I just don’t know.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jul 10, 2008 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tallet

Brain Tallet while a lefty has a reverse platoon split. I’d rather get Scott Downs.

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by DJ87 on Jul 10, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Anderson

I think we’re forgetting how valuable a top catcher prospect is … I think any trade involving Anderson has to bring the Cardinals a solid clean-up hitter or a solid 1-2 starting pitcher … I wouldn’t mind Burnett coming to St. Louis, but he’s at best a No. 3 starter and probably best suited as a No. 4, imho … I’m not sure I’d package Anderson for him … I could, however, part with Brendan Ryan as I think players like him are more easily replaced … if we had a prized catcher prospect in A ball, maybe I’d be more willing to part with Anderson, but otherwise, I think he can be used to bring in a better talent than Burnett somewhere down the road.

by RedbirdattheBeach on Jul 10, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ummmmmmm..... I do agree it seems like Anderson's name gets thrown out alot..

What team would really want to make a trade with Bendan Ryan being the center piece?

He is not much better offensively than Izturis (heck he may be the same), and it’s not like he is really much younger than Izturis either. What team would want Brendan Ryan? I don’t think any team would make a trade with Brendan Ryan being a centerpiece of the dea…...

by ICbirdfan on Jul 10, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Anderson's name gets thrown around because he's the most expendable part of the farm system

and is actually valuable. People need to stop being quite so annoyed by this. If we’re going to trade anyone, him or Molina make the most sense in terms of replacability and a high return.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 10, 2008 1:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't have a problem...

with Anderson being a part of a trade, but I don’t want him sent out for a rental. If we were to trade for Burnett and Anderson was part of the deal…I’d be pissed unless Burnett gives up his “opt-out” clause.

by cardzfanbub on Jul 10, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What would be very interesting

is if the Brewers still made that move. Now that would be a rotation.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jul 10, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who plays SS?

Bill Hall? If you do that, then Braun comes back to the infield, making their defense a whole lot worse. I’m sure that they would ask for JoeMac, Eckstein, or Scutaro as well so they had someone to man the SS position.

They’d be nuts to give up Hardy for another pitcher who can walk next year—I would guess the the Brewers were the ones the declined that deal.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 10, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd think the Jays

would throw in Johnny Mac, which would probably help their D.

I agree it’d be absurd, but they’d definitely have a strong shot this year and be loaded with picks next year.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jul 10, 2008 11:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My initial reaction

was to say “Naw, dance with them what brung ya.” I’d rather not make a bad trade. However, one important lesson from the CC and Harden deals is that a “motivated seller,” to use real-estate language, may not ask for as much in return as we fear.

LB (or anyone else), who are the motivated sellers among the teams with the players you list? Who’s being actively shopped among those players? I would still resist putting a big package together for someone who’ll only be traded if he costs an arm and a leg.

by StanTheManFan on Jul 10, 2008 10:06 AM EDT   0 recs

Well What to do?

I have been in favor of patience. Looking at the schedule for the rest of the month there is the big series with the Brewers, but it is not the toughest stretch we faced this year. So first we need a no bullshit assessment of Carp and Wainman. If they are going to ready on 8-1-08 then we can stagger along with the rotation we have. We have to wait and see. As far as MI help goes what about Kennedy? After a horrible May he has heated up. Is he just what the MI Dr. ordered? If we could get another outfielder who can hit lefties and slip him into Duncan’s spot, and bull pen help I think we will be fine.

by nybirdfan on Jul 10, 2008 10:07 AM EDT   0 recs

another huge ?

is Welley

strikeouts from left-center

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 10, 2008 12:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Am I the only one

who thinks that calling up Garcia might hurt him more than help? I know that he has major league stuff, but has proven that he still needs work in the minor leagues before making up to the majors. Also, he was injured last year and only pitched about 100 innings. I would think that they wouldn’t want to exceed that by too much.

by JBagKY on Jul 10, 2008 10:11 AM EDT   0 recs

Initially

I thought he would be joining the rotation. But I think he’s really a lefthanded Mike Parisi—the June version. I don’t think he’ll start unless absolutely necessary. Even then, Johnny Wholestaff may come in to relieve him in the fourth inning.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 10, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs