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Game 85 Open Thread: July 1 2008

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New York @ St. Louis


Armas Wellemeyer
0-0, 0.00 7-2, 3.46

thanks to those who put the kaibash on the Erin Andrew photos in today's main thread. i had my nose in archives all day, wasn't on the site at all  . . . . i don't think anybody meant any harm in posting the pix, and the images themselves are certainly not in poor taste --- well, ok, the close-up of her ass is not exactly elevating . . . . anyway, it began as a reasonably good-natured appreciation, but i sense that a line has been crossed. a lot of women read VEB, and they don't read it for the fixations on comely sideline reporters. neither, for that matter, do most of the men come here for that type of content . . . . i'm asking Erin's fans to share their tributes to her elsewhere.

tony armas has been at triple A all season long and pitching very well --- 2.54 era, 5:1 k/bb ratio over 17 starts, 102 innings. seems like he has been around for 100 years, but he is only 30 years old --- 4 months older than wellemeyer --- and might still have some years left in the big leagues. he had a 6.03 era last year for the pirates . . . .

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are you guys hearing Mo on fsn?

says we have money to go after someone

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 7:38 PM EDT   0 recs

he didn't really say

he said someone that can help now and in the future. they are talking about fuentes right now

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well couldn't Fuentes be

a replacement for Izzy next year? Next year is the future.

by Red in Chicago on Jul 1, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he's 32 isn't he?

so, not so much future with him

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 1, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he could pitch 1 inning a night until he's 40

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Here, here LB.

Now c’mon you redbirds, beat Armas back to the minors.

by fuegophil on Jul 1, 2008 7:45 PM EDT   0 recs

I wish

we had Tony Armas (the RBI Baseball version) on our team.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jul 1, 2008 7:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Suprised

I am suprised Armas is just now getting his first shot at the Majors. With us he would either be in the rotation or the DL by now.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No kidding...

I just looked him up on BR… He was pretty awful in reality. The RBI version was a monster.

by guayzimi on Jul 1, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is anyone else nervous??

We haven’t had a GM that is willing to spend money like it seems might happen and I am nervous. We have been doing pretty good and I don’t want to see our farm system start to get dismantled just as it is turning out some good prospects. I kinda want to play out this season and see what all the young dudes do.

by birdsonthehat on Jul 1, 2008 7:59 PM EDT   0 recs

imo we have to make some moves if we want to catch the cubbies and stay ahead of the brews

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Spending *money* or *prospects* or *both*

We may not have had a GM (or, perhaps, ownership) that was willing to spend big money, but Jocketty certainly quick to deal prospects. I’m not saying that I dislike the result of the years under Walter (except for the 2006-2007 offseason). What I am saying is that there is a difference between touting the salary flexibility we have and being willing to pillage the farm system.

by bgh on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe i don't remember correctly

but it seemed like the card got progressivley worse throughout Walts tenure even though we pulled out a world series in 06

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you arent remembering correctly

because they weren’t that good when he was hired back in 94. So there were of lot of improving years before we started falling off after two 100+ wins in 04 and 05. Followed by a World Series in 06.

by Evilfrog on Jul 1, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He spent a lot of money on that team and then we went downhill every year

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ok...

So by “every year” and Worse throughout Walt’s tenure” you mean the 1 year we won the world series and than 07 right?

by Evilfrog on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Walt Jocketty was hired in 1994

1994: 53-61
1995: 62-81
1996: 88-74
1997: 73-89
1998: 83-79
1999: 75-86
2000: 95-67
2001: 93-69
2002: 97-65
2003: 85-77
2004: 105-57
2005: 100-62
2006: 83-78
2007: 78-84

I’ll spare you all an analysis of the average growth in payroll leaguewide and that of the Cardinals. Clearly, we did not go downhill every year under Jocketty.

by bgh on Jul 1, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll give you a +1

nice find

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lineups

NYM

Reyes SS
Chavez LF
Wright 3B
Beltran CF
Church RF
Delgado 1B
Easley 2B
Castro C
Armas P

STL

Schumaker RF
Miles 2B
Pujols 1B
Ankiel CF
Glaus 3B
Duncan LF
Molina C
Wellemeyer P
Ryan SS

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Praise baby jesus

Probably our best lineup though I wouldn’t mind flip flopping Miles with Duncan and having Molina bat 6th but I have no complaints.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 1, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

for now

i’d actuallly been ok with ak at second

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 1, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If we really wanted to do it right

Kennedy would be a late inning defensive replacement if we have a lead.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No Steve Phillips! Hooray!

Has anyone yet invented technology that allows you to have the live stadium audio but mute the broadcasting crew? It would make ESPN broadcasts so much more enjoyable.

by bgh on Jul 1, 2008 8:04 PM EDT   0 recs

I don't think so

but when they do I will never hear another broadcast by someone not named Vin Scully for as long as I live. It’s a dead art. When Vin goes, there’ll be no one.

by rowboat on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that doesn't make a lot of sense

unless you plan on only listening to Dodger games

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 1, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My dear boy,

What I was saying was this: In such an alternate technological reality, as proposed by bgh, I would mute all announcers except Scully. I would watch all kinds of games, but Dodger games would be the only ones in which I’d listen to the announcer.

Read it again. Slowly, this time. Mouth the words as you go. No one’s looking. It’s OK.

by rowboat on Jul 3, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok Mo...

forget Holliday.

I’ll take Wolf, Dunn, and Grudzielanek in that order. All available. All second (or third) tier.

Don’t have to give up anyone named Rasmus, Garcia, or Todd.

by guayzimi on Jul 1, 2008 8:05 PM EDT   0 recs

It's a shame the O's have the best catching prospect in baseball

Because building a package around Anderson would’ve be enough to pry off Roberts.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

roberts too old anyway,

he might put the cubs way over the top this year, but he isn’t likely to be a bridge to anyone in our farm system.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wolf, yes

The other two, no

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Have you seen what...

Grudz is doing? .307 .365 .406 with an RZR of .848. Compare that to Miles hitting out of his mind at .328 .366 .380 with a pathetic RZR of .748.

Miles BABIP for June was .355 and May was an even .400. True Grudz is a bit over his head, but at least he can field. Miles will be falling back to Earth any minute now.

by guayzimi on Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Grudz would be great pennant chase replacement at second that could be had for far less than it will take to pry Roberts from Angelos’s cold, dead hand.

by bgh on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

never understood why...

they got rid of Grudz in the first place (ie didn’t re-sign him)

but looking at splits for this year, the biggest lineup need looks to be a shortstop that can hit RHs

given Ryan’s OPS is 534 and Izturis’s 580. Khalil Greene? Jhonny Peralta?

by vances law on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like dunn but don't think I could handle watching him strikeout everytime

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

when he's not striking out

he’s walking or hitting a home run. I’ll take that any day of the week.

by jeff_abs on Jul 1, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

defensively, I would compare him to cdunc

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well, he's actually as bad

as cards fans THINK “cdunc” is…

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jul 1, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He wouldn't come cheap though

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would think dunn would command almost the same type of prospects as Holliday.

Almost

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No freakin way...

they are on two different levels. Rosenthal was just saying there was little interest in Dunn. People get annoyed at the low BA…. Smart teams ignore that.

by guayzimi on Jul 1, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I just think he will be expensive as well

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by Bahamaredbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

we already have too much of that

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Armas had 4 wins last year

Guess which team 2 of them came against?

We’re boned.

by cloistermaximus on Jul 1, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

He ain't bonin' nobody

but Mrs. Armas. Mark my words.

by rowboat on Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no luddy in the lineup today

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Duddy in the line up, however. Yesteday's HR may have been costly

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Armas was T O U G H on the Cards last year. Is he one of these Larry Jaster types, only against us?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT   0 recs

larry jaster

you are dating yourself, but what can i say, i have smokey joe cunningham’s autograph

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jul 1, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But here are some players in our lineup in the two games he started against us last season:

Eckstein
Edmonds
Rolen
Encarnacion
Branyan

Different team this year

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DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
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by Mr Redbird on Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was so mad about

the GS to Jim Northrup that I didn’t care when the Expos picked him. Man was that a long time ago.

by random on Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what are rasmus's numbers now

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Season .252 .355 .407

June: a tasty .333 .441 .535

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 1, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nice numbers

way to go yadi

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Reyes

Isn’t as exciting as molina.

by Evilfrog on Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM EDT   0 recs

THOU SHALT NOT RUN ON YADDA

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM EDT   0 recs

the 11th commandment

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

dont hurt yourself mang

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Kuso X 2 start!

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 1, 2008 8:19 PM EDT   0 recs

what does that mean?

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

shit! ima kuso X 3

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm watching on yahoo gameday

(dis)affectionately known as “watching dots”

Is there any way of getting birds games on the radio in Chicago?

by Cedar Plank on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT   0 recs

xm radio

My Dad and I are driving from SF to StL in August during the Cards series at Wrigley, and I’m trying to decide if it’s worth it to get XM radio for a few months so we can listen to the games instead of whatever radio Nebraska and Wyoming have to offer.

Anyone know how far West the Cubs broadcasts go? I’m pretty sure the Cards broadcasts don’t make it very far into Nebraska?

by six on Jul 1, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1520 AM

is out of Loves Park, if that isn’t too far. I guess it probably is.

Anyway, I suggest the ESPN.com gamecast if you’re out of options. It beats the hell out of yahoo, anyway.

by rowboat on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if not for yadi the bases would be loaded

come on colonel

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT   0 recs

The Colonel is down to one pitch

only throwing #1 for strikes so far—elbow barking?

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by gocards62 on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice change there

But I, too, am worried about that ‘bow.

by bgh on Jul 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

there was the change up

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jul 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Beltran helped us out

by swinging out of the zone.

Really can’t hit off-speed stuff.

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by gocards62 on Jul 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Negative

http://baseball.bornbybits.com/2008/batters/Carlos_Beltran.html

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 1, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

just WW and the Colonel's off speed stuff then :)

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by gocards62 on Jul 1, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Apparently that was pretty brutal

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jul 1, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

some times its better to be lucky than good

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jul 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT   0 recs