fickle finger of fate
five days ago i flew down to mexico to attend a wedding. i didn’t think about baseball much while i was down there; drank mojitos all day, laid around in the sun and collected shells w/ my kids, and ended up with refritos for brains. i still haven’t shaken off the effects and am in no great hurry to do so; my 6-year-old had to sign the customs declaration to get us back into the country . . . . . i come home to find way too much baseball news to catch up on; hope you’ll forgive me if i seem a little out of it.
the injuries to welley and wainer are, to say the least, concerning. wellemeyer’s elbow started barking at just about the same time (give or take a week) as looper’s did last season in his first full year as a starter. looper hit the dl on june 16 and missed two starts. he had thrown 80 innings / 1322 pitches at the time; wellemeyer is currently at 83 innings / 1244 pitches. probably just a coincidence. the reports are reasonably encouraging, but keep in mind that after wellemeyer became a starting pitcher last season, his elbow only held up for 8 outings before he hit the dl. it was allegedly a freak injury, caused when wellemeyer banged his elbow on his knee during the follow-through on a pitch, and was only expected to keep him out of action for a few days, but he ended up on the disabled list for 6 weeks. the current ailment sounds less ominous; let’s hope so.
as for wainwright --- many of us have been fretting about his workload and dreading an injury, but the finger ligaments were not foremost on our list of worries. they are now. a quick google search turned up a few pitchers who’ve struggled w/ injuries to a finger ligament. adam eaton missed the first 4 months of the 2006 season with that injury; dana eveland (now pitching well for oakland) and minnesota reliever pat neshek suffered this ailment in the minors. one of the guys in the johan santana trade, brant rustich, had surgery to repair a finger ligament in college. i also found one historical example, former orioles pitcher mike boddicker, who pitched through a finger injury in 1986 and saw his season implode; he was 10-1 with a 3.48 era before the injury, 4-11 with a 5.60 thereafter. i couldn’t find a whole lot of other information, and in any case the only info that really matters at this point is the report from wagonmaker’s doctors, which is due later today.
the team will start boggs tuesday and is thinking of moving mcclellan into the rotation, perhaps as early as thursday (which would normally be wainwright’s next turn). while the cards have had outstanding success with reliever-to-starter conversions, this one strikes me as the longest shot yet. mcclellan hasn’t started regularly since 2004 and has thrown more than 100 innings in a season only once as a professional; moreover, in his pro career mcclellan has thrown just 65 innings (give or take) above class A, including his innings at the big-league level this year. that’s not to say he can’t eventually become an effective big-league starter, but he doesn’t seem prepared to step into the role right now --- not nearly as well prepared as, say, jaime garcia, who is already conditioned as a starting pitcher and has thrown nearly 200 innings above class A. garcia has made a graceful transition from double A to triple A, lowering his walk rate while continuing to strike hitters out. in ideal circumstances he’d spend the rest of this season at memphis, but the circumstances aren’t ideal.
unfortunately garcia pitched yesterday, which means he’d be on just 3 days’ rest thursday; they’re not gonna start him on short rest. other options, assuming wainwright’s unable to take his turn? parisi looked shell-shocked in his two starts; i wouldn’t think he’s a candidate . . . . . the obvious (only) solution is to start anthony reyes, whose normal turn falls on tuesday. and the argument for doing so has nothing to do with the player-development rationale that i and other reyes advocates have long been making. the argument used to be: just throw reyes out there, let him learn to pitch at this level, live with his mistakes in the short run and get him established for the long run. under the present circumstances, the argument is much simpler: he’s the best available candidate in the short run. garcia might be better on the merits (although that’s hardly a given), but he can’t go thursday and he’s only 6 starts removed from double A. mcclellan isn’t conditioned to start; parisi looks overmatched. reyes, if nothing else, can be relied on to throw 5 or 6 innings and avoid trashing the bullpen; he has gone at least 5 inning in 32 of his 38 big-league starts.
dave and tony have their reasons for not wanting reyes in the rotation, or anywhere on the roster; mozeliak may think he’s more tradeable if they keep him at triple A. but let’s not make this too complicated; let's not be pathological. if wainwright can’t go thursday, then reyes should get the start; if he bombs and the rotation still has a hole in it, then garcia’s schedule can be adjusted so he’s available for the turn after that. this has nothing to do with reyes' long-term development potential; it's all about keeping the team afloat in the short term, nursing them through a (hopefully) temporary crisis without making a hash of the whole pitching staff.
i haven’t had any chance to get caught up re the draft yet, but i do want to note the florida marlins’ 45th-round selection, fred atkins jr, an outfielder from the college of marin. this player’s father is an old friend of mine from long long ago. fred atkins sr played high-school ball with rickey henderson and was taken in the 7th round by the yankees in 1976, the 160th overall selection. a right-handed pitcher, fred sr hurt his arm in class A and by 1984 was bussing tables with me at a restaurant in berkeley, california; he was still close friends with rickey, who that winter signed with fred’s old team, the yankees, for $2 million a year. a couple of years later fred sr got a certificate as a hair stylist; during his training course he absolutely butchered my roommate with the clippers, ended up having to shave him right down to the scalp. fred junior was born in 1988, a year before i left california; i have been long out of touch w/ him. but i learn now from google that fred senior got out of the hair-cutting trade and became a counselor for abused kids --- as befits this large-hearted man. he never expressed a word of bitterness about his injury nor his failure to become a pro ballplayer; it’d be a nice story if his son goes on to realize that ambition. here’s an article about fred junior, who was drafted last year in the 29th round; apparently the kid was regarded as a 15th-round talent this year, but fell in the draft because he’s committed to play next year at jackson state, alma mater of ex-cardinal curt ford and well-remembered bosox pitcher oil can boyd. if he signs w/ the marlins, i’ll be keeping an eye on him.
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Apologies to TLR
From the official site:
Wellemeyer pitched six innings and earned the win in the first game of Thursday’s doubleheader against the Nationals.“[He hurt it] during the game,” La Russa said. “We got him out as soon as he said something. We don’t want to take any chances.”
I was one of the folks who openly bashed TLR for removing Wellemeyer from Thursday’s start due to not having all of the information about the injury. I was wrong. TLR made the absolute right decision. Hopefully Wellemeyer is ready to go next week.
As for Wainwright, say a little prayer Cards fans, because we need him if we hope to compete for the playoffs this season.
by bgh on Jun 9, 2008 9:21 AM EDT 0 recs
Me too
I also questioned TLR’s move re Wellemeyer, basically calling him irrational and irresponsible.
Yet again, I am reminded why TLR is the Cardinals’ manager while I am merely CEO of the U.S.’s 14th largest corporation.
by salvomania on
Jun 9, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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Me too
Let me know if you need someone to pay 6 figures to watch baseball. I am the best at that job.
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 9, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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That doesn't change my offer
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 9, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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In fairness
You didn’t have all the information. I don’t think anyone would have complained had we known the pitcher was hurt.
by DriverZn on
Jun 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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"We don’t want to take any chances."
...as the crowd chuckles.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on
Jun 9, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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nice story on Fred, Sr.
Hope Fred Jr. goes to college at least for a few years.
by jjray on Jun 9, 2008 9:25 AM EDT 0 recs
Against those Ideas
I am absolutely against the ideas of using McCellan as starter and promoting Jamie Garcia. When was the last time McCellan threw 4 ip+ in a row let alone 5 or 6 ip. If you want him to be a starter than send him down to Memphis so he can increase his workload to a starter. It took like 3 starts to get Reyes back on track from reliever to starter and he was previously a starter. He trained to be a starter and still took him 3 starts. So how in the world could they think they could just throw McCellan out there and think it works out.
Jamie Garcia’s is not ready to be a MLB starter. We should not just be jerking him out of the minors and starting his clock just to fill a gap. He is a serious commodity to the teams future. Just throw Reyes out there for 2 or 3 starts to be a stop gap.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 9, 2008 9:28 AM EDT 0 recs
I agree, I don't think McClellan should start
by from First to Third on
Jun 9, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
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Agree
Besides, McClellan is too valuable as part of a shaky bullpen.
by Iowa on
Jun 9, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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I'm not sure why Garcia's not ready
his numbers are certainly better than Reyes’ at AAA. I realize he hasn’t been there long but he’s only walked 11 and he’s struck out 38 in 42 IP. I think Reyes is the better choice, based on the fact that he’s on the 40 man roster (and Garcia’s not) and that Garcia won’t be ready to go Thursday, but I’m not convinced Garcia’s not ready.
by houstoncardinal on
Jun 9, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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Watch a couple of his AAA starts
he hasn’t really been sharp. The curveball’s been hit and miss and he gets in some pretty predictable pitch selection patterns.
by azruavatar on
Jun 9, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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Pretty predictable pitch selection patterns?
Does Yadier Molina call the pitches in Memphis too?
“Hey Mang, let’s throw nothin’ but fastballs until we get 2 strikes and then not throw anything near the strikezone.”
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 9, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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I'm fine with promoting Garcia
although I’d rather them give Reyes another chance. I’m totally against moving McClellan out of the bullpen. He seems to be a good anchor there. We need him in the bullpen!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jun 9, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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+1
at some point you need to take a chance that reyes is any good. right now his record of failure in the bigs makes him of little value. how many teams wiil look at his AAA record and blow off his ML performances? answer—not too many. time to go all in with him or give his spot in memphis to someone with a future. nobody is being fooled by the cards continuing view of him as a AAAA player.
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by sportsman on
Jun 9, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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Awesome read there
It will be interesting to see how the organization handles the situations. I think the biggest question marks will be wain-o, if he can come back and be healthy and still perform great, I really really hope that Mo and TLR don’t try to rush him back. I also like seeing the youngsters come up and get their chance, and I feel terrible that Parisi can’t look good starting. Hopefully tony doesn’t throw him out there again to burn the pen, and his psyche again. I would think garcia comes up before reyes for the fact duncan and bunch are down on reyes, but I hope reyes comes up and starts putting up Wagonmaker’s numbers, and shuts duncan up.
The team is playing fun baseball right now, and it’s nice to watch the kids. The pitching staff is starting to come down form the badass #’s they were tossing up earlier, but Welley,Lohse,Wain-o have all been consistent in my eyes. Looper scares me, I don’t know what will go on, but it’s gonna be fun the next couple of weeks if we can get welley back, piniero, and carp after the break(no complications, knock on wood)
by from First to Third on Jun 9, 2008 9:31 AM EDT 0 recs
in defense of the Loop
tho not spectacular, Looper is a steady, repeat-delivery type pitcher. I think he will actually HELP hold the ship together. Last year’s summer fade is less likely from him this time because he has that one full year as a starter under his belt now.
by the Tewk on
Jun 9, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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Is known below average better than possibly good, possibly bad?
Loops a known value. You get 150ip of #4/#5 type innings.
The replacements all have much more upside and downside. We could get anything from great to terrible with Reyes, Garcia, Todd, McCellan or Mortensen.
If you think 20 more starts of #4/#5 type innings will get you to the playoffs, then you stick with Loop. If Wainwright and/or Wellemeyer go down and you need to replace their slots then you have to roll the dice because loop isn’t going to get that done. When you roll those dice you might come up with a great stretch run or we may implode. However, if thats your only choice you have to take the chance because a rotation of 5 #4/#5 types doesn’t get us there.
by DriverZn on
Jun 9, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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Given the options to plug into the rotation
The best options are:
1. Boggs
2. Reyes
3. Garcia
Use of anyone other than the three above is a mistake. Mcclellan has been too valuable in the bullpen. Mulder and Clement are clearly not options given their struggles. Parsi has shown he isn’t read. Brad Thompson hasn’t been a useful major league player in two years.
by JMedwick on Jun 9, 2008 9:37 AM EDT 0 recs
They said Boggs will go agaisnt Bailey Tuesday
two young dudes, looks fun, hopefully boggs no hits the reds for his first MLB start
by from First to Third on
Jun 9, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
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I'd tend to agree
I would love to see McClellan start. Without Wainwright I don’t see much of a playoff chance for this season. But moving McClellan into rotation was planned next year. It seems they want to conceed the season and get him ready. (which would more than likely make him more ready for next year.)
But to me it would make more sense to send him down to memphis to work on starting. Bring up Reyes and another reliever.
Also an option not mentioned. Thompson begins his rehab at Memphis today. Izzy will begin rehabbing soon also. Izzy return to the bullpen will help it. (or destroy it.)
by Evilfrog on
Jun 9, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
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WonderBrad
I am not a huge fan of Thompson, but to state that he “hasn’t been a useful major league player in two years.” is just wrong. Thompsons combined totals as a starter for the last two seasons are 7-4, 4.40 ERA, including 1-0 as a starter in two appearances in 2008 with a 2.53 ERA and 11 Ks in 10.2 IP. Now we could argue what the standards are for a useful major league player, but Braden Looper would probably like to have a 4.40 ERA over the last two years instead of the 4.92 he has managed.
I know ERA isn’t necessarily the best stat, but Thompson is a young, cost-controlled player that still has a useful life.
While I like McClellan’s future as a starter, I also agree that now is not the time.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Jun 9, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Each season at the major league level Brad Thompson has gotten worse.
2 starts back in April of this season don’t change what is clearly the long term trend.
by JMedwick on
Jun 9, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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Here's hoping Wagonmaker's injury
only requires missing a few starts. If it’s not season-threatening, it might actually be good for Adam to miss 2-3 turns of the rotation, thus keeping his IPs lower than otherwise. But a more serious injury? Yikes!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 9, 2008 9:38 AM EDT 0 recs
You know, the rest thing, you have a point.....
I’m not sure where I came across the list, but he was #7 in pitcher abuse points for this season. Not good for a young man signed to a long term contract….....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 9, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
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Baseball Prospectus
is the place for PAP. Wainwright is currently #7. If this injury is indeed a minor one…then the time off will be good for him. OTOH if its the serious kind of hurt, then the Cards must seriously look at adding a pitcher. I think they should look at getting Greg Maddux either way. He shouldn’t take alot to pry away from SD and he still has some bullets left. Furthermore, Busch III would be a great home park for him.
by indakind on
Jun 9, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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Link to stats
Pitcher Abuse Points:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204015
Another neat BP stat is their playoff odds report (updated daily). According to BP, Cards currently have about a 35% shot at playoffs and have the highest odds of winning the Wild Card at 19%:
by indakind on
Jun 9, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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Oh, you kids with your computers......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 9, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
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I am older than you are
and I get my kicks out of playing with Baseball Prospectus stats.
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 9, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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post season odds
I was checking out the postseason odds today, as well as the Hardball Times “dartboard” page.
They both have me thinking that, if the Cubs stay as good as they seem to be, we’d still be serious wild card candidates. That didn’t seem remotely possible heading into the season. The main wild card threats are presumably from the East (assuming the Phillies hang on, the threats are Atlanta, Florida, Mets) but also the Brewers and Dodgers if they get their acts together. All seem vulnerable.
The dartboard is pretty cool (and the name is a little misleading): It uses run producing/preventing potential as measured thus far this season from underlying stats, calculates the likely record for the remainder of the season, and adds it to wins/losses already on the books, with a (small) adjustment for strength of schedule. (In the same spirit as the BP postseason odds method.) The THT dartboard has the Cardinals winning 89 games, and Atlanta getting the wildcard with 91, but obviously that is a very imprecise margin so it is neck-and-neck.
A few other BP postseason odds/THT dartboard observations:
The White Sox are predicted to run away with the Central at this point. Cleveland and Detroit are lost causes, and that’s a statistical forecast that doesn’t take into account the losses of Westbrook and Bonderman.
According to their underlying (fundamental) statistics, the Angels are not nearly as good as their record and are predicted to be a clear second to the A’s.
The Rays are for real.
The Braves have been underplaying their potential and are a real threat in the East.
The Cubs are great. We can either accept this, or, we can read between the lines: Fate has created the appearance of greatness in this epic 100th anniversary year so that the Cubs’ collapse this year will be an epic disappointment.
by ncgostl on
Jun 9, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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Your NL Wild Card "threats" and my personal observations
Atlanta can’t win away from Turner Field. If that doesn’t change, they’re toast. They’re about to start a series at Wrigley, where the Cubs can’t lose. I’ll be shocked if Chicago doesn’t sweep.
Florida is one of the two big threats in my opinion. They’re playing way above their heads, but so are we. It wouldn’t be fair to say that they’ll have to fall back to earth, and say that we have staying power.
The Mets just got swept in four games by the Padres. The circus that is the Willie Randolph job watch can’t help matters. I don’t see them getting it together to make a run this season, even though they have the talent (outside the pitching staff).
The Brewers have terrible defense, a shaky rotation, and the worst manager in baseball. They’ll make a run, but they’ll also go through epic cold streaks. I picked them to win the Central this season, but I just don’t see them making the playoffs at this point.
The Dodgers are the other main threat, but like the Brewers, go through cold and hot spells it seems. I don’t know why Brad Penny is struggling as much as he is, but he needs to turn it around if they want to do anything this season. They’re also paying $400 trillion for the services of Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones.
The fact that we’ve (thus far) been able to win on the road makes me feel good about our chances. If our playoff odds are 1 in 3 (as BP says) that’s not too shabby for this point in the season.
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 9, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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Yost is the worst manager in baseball?
I don’t think he’s the worst in his division. That distinction goes to Dusty Baker, who gets my vote for the worst manager in baseball.
by Ray Lankford on
Jun 9, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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I think he is
But Dusty is another good choice
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 9, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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Angels
Just had to post this from the main MLB website. They have the Angels ranked 3rd in their “power rankings” (behind the Cubs and Red Sox). Here’s the description:
“The Halos are like the conscientious hunter who doesn’t kill more than he can eat. They’ve gone 18 straight games without scoring more than five runs—and are 13-5 in that stretch. Mike Scioscia’s boys simply are playing a different game: When scoring fewer than six runs, the Tigers have won four games. The Angels? 26.”
I can hear sabermetricians doing spit takes all over America. The Angels are 28-12 in games decided by 2 runs or less….and 11-13 in all other games. Scoring few runs and eking out narrow wins is killing the Angels in the BP postseason odds/THT dartboard projections.
by ncgostl on
Jun 9, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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support for Jill, and my 'personal' grrr re 'prospectus stats'
in ncgostic’s distillation above, I spotted:
”...Cleveland and Detroit are lost causes, and that’s a statistical forecast …”
oh yeah? See ya in late September.
by the Tewk on
Jun 9, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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I just traded Longoria away for Wagonmaker
2 weeks ago in my fantasy league.
So, essentially, we’re f*cked.
by silent_bob on Jun 9, 2008 9:49 AM EDT 0 recs
I need to play catch up
here also, haven’t had much time lately. Big promotion at work and all that go’s along with it is zapping my time and energy. The funny part is they gave ME a staff, laughable isn’t it. What do you think the looks on their faces will be when I tell them I need the road night splits for Ryan Ludwick right away? Chop Chop!!! I don’t like idle hands so if anybody has anything they need looked up I’ll get them on it. Yeah, don’t think I be able to keep this job that long but it should be a fun ride.
Did get to watch all three games this weekend which was a treat. Even more so on Saturdays game because of a messed up alternate FSN Houston feed that for the first three innings didn’t have any commentary. I had sound, you could here the crowd fine just no stupid talking from idiot Astros announcers. It was so enjoyable, like sitting at the ballpark. I wish there was a mute button on my remote that just shut the announcers off, it would be so cool.
As for bringing A Rey back up, did Jillsinmo put you up to that? Not that it’s that bad of an idea but certainly not my first choice. I hope Boggs is ready for the big show or we could be in a world of trouble.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Jun 9, 2008 10:17 AM EDT 0 recs
Current rotation:
Lohse, Boggs, Looper, Wainwright, Lohse using the off day means we only need one replacement if Wainwright can’t pitch. After that though we still need 2 more. So are we going to have a Lohse, Boggs, Looper, Reyes, Garcia rotation? Is Piniero ready? Will Clement be? Thompson hasn’t pitched yet but I almost want him to be that guy. Mulder even wouldn’t be the worst case if it meant keeping Garcia in AAA learning. If they move KMac into the rotation to take that spot does Izzy come off the DL into the Pen or does Motte come up? Too many questions right now.
by StLHugo on
Jun 9, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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Hey, I didn't have a thing to do with it......
It’s my birthday today, so everyone eat cake!
No. I don’t think Mr. Reyes should be called up. I think Mr. Mozeliak needs to get over this idea that this young man has any kind of a future in St. Louis…..I think Mr. Reyes has been a good soldier and has earned the right to be sent to a team that actually would like to have him around, try to work with him instead of against him, not denigrate him in the press.
Nope. His next move should be the permanent one, and Mr. Duncan and Mr. LaRussa have made it clear they don’t want him here, so I say cash him in for a pitcher in his walk year. How about Randy Wolf or A. J. Burnett? Maybe you could get them to stay next year too.
I hope that wasn’t too pathological, and if you all will indulge me, I haven’t ranted for at least a few days. It’s too bad that it hasn’t and won’t work out for Mr. Reyes here. The best thing is to just trade him for a pitcher-today would be good.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 9, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
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Happy Birthday
Maybe Mo will trade Reyes today as a birthday gift to you. Remember that one when your blowing out the candles, just don’t tell anyone or it won’t come true.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on
Jun 9, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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It would be great news if it were to happen......
I had high hopes for him, and hoped he would be a part of the rotation for a long time. Since that can’t happen, I think keeping him around is just stupid, a waste of roster space, a waste of $392,500. His value is not going to go up in AAA and they are taking a big risk that he could get hurt before they manage to get him out of here. Yes, under those circumstances I’m keeping my fingers crossed that Mr. Mozeliak will do it today.
Thanks for the birthday wishes….am going to drink heavily tonight.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 9, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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How
can you say it’s “not going to happen?”
I still say it’s absolutely ridiculous to say “Mr. Mozeliak” or “Mr. LaRussa” have some kind of personal vendetta with “Mr. Reyes.”
He should get the call, he should start in Wainwright’s place.
You can’t put the good of one player ahead of the good of the entire team.
by Jhusk on
Jun 9, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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Because I don't think it will.....
I don’t think Mr. Mozeliak has a personal vendetta against Reyes; I don’t know if LaRussa has a personal vendetta against him either. It’s clear he doesn’t want him on the team-it’s doubly clear Mr. Duncan doesn’t. That’s why I think it’s best, for the team and the player, that he be dealt. Use him now for the kind of pitcher they’d prefer to have…...
And lboros said he didn’t want anyone going all pathological about it. So I’m out of here before I get him or anyone else mad at me…......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 9, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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jill, i wasn't talking about YOU being pathological
i was suggesting that it would be pathological on the part of the cardinals if, instead of straightforwardly calling up reyes for the start, they twist themselves into pretzels in order to find some other solution. in my mind, reyes is such an obvious solution that it would be pathological to avoid taking that solution . . .
by lboros on
Jun 9, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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OOPS....
It’s summer-I often disengage-still, I will take the words to heart and apply them to myself ….it helps me be better behaved.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 9, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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great, but
who would you get for the king of AAAA pitchers?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 9, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
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Maddox, anyone?
The internet buzz is that that Padres are shopping Greg Maddox around. Apparently the Reds had interest, but Maddox will only “go to a contender,” and he prefers to stay in the NL. Say, Reyes (he can throw all the 2-seam fastballs he wants in San Diego’s big outfield park) and Duncan for Maddox? Parts for a rental. Maddox will eat innings and solidify the back end of the rotation for the remainder of the season. Thoughts? The home team’s reliance on young arms is positive – who knew the Cardinals organization had so many possibilities? But something will need to happen to keep the team, particularly the starting rotation, from imploding.
...and there’s always the David Wells option. :-)
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by palampe on Jun 9, 2008 10:53 AM EDT 0 recs
Reyes and Duncan seems like too much just for Maddux
Maybe I’m completely wrong about that
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 9, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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+1
I think you could potentially get Maddox for Reyes alone. Reyes brings youth and a several million cut to the payroll.
Maybe a lower level prospect would have to be included, but Reyes and Duncan seem like too much.
by birdo rojo on
Jun 9, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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Spelling police...
The future Hall of Famer and 350+ game winner spells his name MADDUX. There was an NFL draft bust quarterback named Tommy Maddox.
I think that Maddux would be an excellent target for the Cards. However, I think that SD would want Reyes + a young outfielder.
by indakind on
Jun 9, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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Thank you, Inakind (aka today's Scrabble Dictionary)
Reyes and a young outfielder works, don’t you think? We’ve got plenty of outfield prospects at the moment, and we’ve had plenty of Reyes… though I watched the 2006 World Series DVD the other night and I can’t help but think that there is hope for Mr. Reyes yet.
Reyes + prospect = Maddux. With a “U.” I’ll be sure to print it correctly on the back of the jersey when he starts pitching for the Cardinals.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by palampe on
Jun 9, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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OH, crap
Indakind, with a D. Sorry about that.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by palampe on
Jun 9, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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No worries
I just think that someone with Maddux’s resume deserves the respect of having his name spelled correctly. You can refer to me however you want. I am just an average joe.
by indakind on
Jun 9, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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pretty sure i've heard mike shannon pronounce it "maddox" before
with quite an accent on the “-dox”. makes me chuckle sometimes. but he’s mike shannon, so i guess he can spell/pronounce names however he wants!
by mattybobo on
Jun 9, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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Yesterday
I kept hearing him pronounce Ausmus’ name “Ass-mus.”
by saladdays on
Jun 9, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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by jealousblues on
Jun 9, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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Shannon is
just another version of the malaprop comic Norm Crosby; he’s constantly mispronouncing names(plus, he’s not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, either). I remember he used to pronounce Geoff Jenkins first name “Joff”.
If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
by cardsrul on
Jun 9, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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Tommy Maddox draft bust
What are you talking about?
Surely you mean the XFL league MVP in their sole season of existence, who led the might LA Xtreme to a victory in the Million Dollar Game.
by liam on
Jun 9, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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He was supposed to be the next Elway
Instead he became the first Ryan Leaf. To his credit he did resurrect his career somewhat in the XFL and later he had a decent year with Pittsburgh. I actually attended a few XFL games when I lived in Vegas. The Vegas Gamblers (very creative) had the immortal Rod Smart a.k.a. He Hate Me.
by indakind on
Jun 9, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
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Thanks for the correction
Although since Tommy was a QB maybe he could pump a few fastballs in there somewhere around 93???

