Game 65 Open Thread -- June 8, 2008
by chuckb on Jun 8, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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PrintWandy Rodriguez is a pretty tough customer. We roughed him up pretty good about a week and a half ago but that was his first start coming off the DL. Over last year and his first 34 IP this year, he’s given up fewer H than IP, has a BB/9 of 2.99 and has averaged 7.73 K/9. Pretty stout! He’s also always been much better in the Juice Box than on the road – career 4.25 ERA at home vs. 5.82 on the road. Last year the difference was 2.94 at home and 6.37 on the road and it’s a trend that has continued over his first 6 starts this year. If we’re going to win another series against the Astros, we’re going to have our work cut out for us. The good news is that Lohse has been outstanding of late – yielding just 1 BB, 1 HR, and 4 ER over his last 23 IP. Could be a pitchers’ duel today.
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WOW,
Did I get the game time wrong?????
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 8, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
Nice lineup today
Seems like La Russa is on a Mather/Barton kick. I like it, it infuses some speed and line drive pop into the lineup. Of course any lineup sans Kennedy looks good, IMO
Lineup
B. Ryan ss
J. Mather cf
A. Pujols 1b
R. Ludwick rf
T. Glaus 3b
Y. Molina c
B. Barton lf
K. Lohse p
A. Miles 2b
I smells ‘runs’.
that might possibly be
the best offensive lineup possible at this point.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Can we please get to that 15 over threshold?
We’ve shown we are pretty good at getting to 10 over, but they next barrier for a team to achieve is that 15 game barrier. We seemingly can’t build towards that number, especially against this weak schedule.
Hope Loshe gets that call
About 4 inches inside
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
we have spies
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jun 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He still seems to be following a pattern so what
Get ahead with a fastball low in the zone, get them to two strikes, that start throwing that sloppy curveball to get them to chase. It’s a good gameplan.. I just hope the Cardinals recognize it and adjust.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I really need to proofread
“so what” = “some what”... “that start” = “then start”.. Yesh
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Boy, Tim will call those ones inside a foot off the plate
but that one right down the middle gets no call?
We are going to have to score a lot of runs tonight because the Astros are likely to light up Lohse.
Well, maybe not if Tejada is going to swing
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He will
But Berkman won’t. He’s got a phenomenal eye.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If that was Skip, it might have taken his hat off
and rolled around for a triple.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
whew
Thank goodness Duncan wasn’t out there.
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
who says Barton can't play good D?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Damn.. there it is again
Low fastball, followed by 2 curveballs.. At least Glaus is paying attention.
now that is what I like to hear
Kmac in the rotation a possibilty
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ESPN half the time doesn't even show highlights of Cards games
I had ESPN on for a couple of hours last night for background noise and didn’t see a highlight of the game last night. This was ESPN News btw.
That happened to me one night
Are we the only team they do that to?
Bad idea
how many times are we going to ruin the bullpen to fix the rotation? We have other starters in Memphis that can fill the void for awhile.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
well the good thing is..
They said it would be a permanent for the rest of the season.
Wait a second. What’s wrong with Piniero again?
Permant?
Does that mean Wainer is done?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
they said it would only happen
if either the Colonel’s or AW’s injuries end up being serious.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Only makes sense
If we lose one of those there’s little chance of making the offseason. Might as well get McClellan prepared to start next year.
I like it
He has the stuff to be a starter, and they said if the move is made it would be for the whole season.
I like the move of calling up Garcia or keeping Boggs in the rotation better, but I can understand wanting to get him more time in AAA.
The way I look at it is that it opens up a bullpen space if/when Izzy comes back and is effective. I like the idea of KMac in the rotation later on in the season more than Looper/Thompson/Clement/Mulder..
All that being said, I hope neither injury to Welley or AW is serious, since they made it sound like only a serious injury to one of those would be the reason for putting KMac in the rotation.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
surpirsed that wasnt strike 3
the zone extends a foot inside sometimes
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
it's just another feature of the park
The incredible moving strike zone. Where’s it going to be? Nobody knows.
I'm waiting for some sort of multi-ball feature
You hit it into a bucket i center and 3 baseballs fly out onto the field.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i didnt think i could hate that palce more
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jun 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
let the pitchers swing
they are our best hitters
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
Anyone know why?
Mather is starting to play CF over Ludwick?
Does Bombs have better wheels than Luddy?
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
now that is damned funny
asanine ballpark.
Besided Ludwick just really likes chik-fil-a and wanted to make sure he got a really good look at the fowl pole.
His height
He barely needs to run, just has to reach over.
Dude’s 40 foot high, and shoots lightning bolts from his arse.
Why not Barton?
I guess in THIS park you need a strong arm in CF, but usually you put top speed there.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe trying to
make him more attractive as trade bait?
by StanTheManFan on Jun 8, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He's quite the dark cloud, too
Saying this looks like a game we’ll lose because we left those two runners on.
he didn't say "we"
He said someone. He also noted they got the first two guys on in the last inning and stranded them.
maybe he posts on VEB sometimes
that happens around here some
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jun 8, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
At first I wasn't real crazy about Rooney but he has really grown on me
and now miss him dearly when guys like Claibourne and Horton are in the booth with Shannon
Off topic -
anyone here know about why Youkillis and Manny had a dust up in the dugout a few days back? After poking around at overthewall.com, I came to realize that this group of baseball savants would probably be better authorities to appeal to.
i heard youkilis was screaming about getting out like he always does
and manny was like just let it go so he flipped out on him
kinda crazy they lose picture here
when shannon is on
That happens
I always think of the scene in Airplane! when the runway lights go out and they cut to Steven Stucker’s character holding the plug for it. “Just kidding!”
Shannon comes over and does TV on Sundays
Someone has to help out Jay Randolph on the TV
crap
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 8, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
more like Berkman
is so good
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
hate/respect
He’s one of those guys who I hate when he’s playing the Cards – but have a ton of respect for his ability.
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Fat Elvis
knows how to hit!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh
apparently the third inning was Kyle’s bad one this game
I’m sure he’ll say after the game he felt good and “just missed” a couple times
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
3-1
why even throw anything near the strikezone for Berkman?
So stupid.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Be honest now,
how many of you saw that coming as soon as the ball left his hand?
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 8, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
now that was a shot
460 though? How far is it to the wall in center?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
lohse started nibbling to tejada and berkman
because he was so concerned about the run at third base. should have been aggressive. But that’s easy for me to say sitting here on my couch.
A friend of mine who's a reds fan
Talked a lot about that being Loshe’s problem. When the cards picked him up, he said he’s got filthy stuff, but if runners get in scoring position he’ll let it snowball and give up some huge hits.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a chance
He’s got that 3 run lead now.. He’s the type who will just get sharper with a lead. Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes the bar eats you.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i put the bar in the pool and yell doodie
candy bar that is
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jun 8, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well one can hope anyway
I was just thinking that this is the first time that I can honestly say that I would rather have seen Oswalt than Wandy. Funny how things change…
looks like
Shannon may have been right
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming we can stay in the wild card race
The Marlins are going to be tough competition…they are crushing the Reds 9-1.
It’s amazing how that team can be so good with the lowest payroll in baseball…wish we had their scouts.
Plus they lost their best hitter (Cabrera) and still are playing great baseball
It’s a shame they can’t get anybody to come see them play…Miami doesn’t deserve to have a team in my opinion.
Out of curiosity
Who is pitching for the Reds?
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa
I thought he turned it around.. Guess not.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the bullpen
but not Wandy. We gave him the entire left side of the plate with the one sided lineup. Miles should flip over and bat LH.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ty Wiggington isn't that good
yet he looks like Brooks Robinson everytime we play them.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I know right.
Obvouisly I wouldn’t be complaining if that hard hit ball made it through. It was a good play to get him out.
Still sucks though.
I think its time for a trade or aquisition of some sort.
Not exactly sure who we should go for, but this is the time to do it.
by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 8, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
second base?
hate to sell low, but why not Reyes and Duncan for a 2B – even if it’s a rental?
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't remember where I read it
but apparently if Waino’s injury is serious, they are going to put K-Mac in the rotation.
I think that's a mistake
Parisi was pitching well until they put him in the rotation – I think it has to be terribly difficult to flip-flip between those two roles mid-season
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Card's offense looks terrible today
I don’t think Wandy’s stuff is as that good as the Cards are making it look, although it seems that his strike zone is a little more generous then Lohse’s
I don't miss the other days of the week!
From the 07 season.
by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 8, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want to see somebody pull one of those inside pitches
Right into the crawford boxes. Man those inside strikes make me mad
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We make some of the worst pitchers look like greats
Not saying Wandy is horrible…but he’s not this good. We’re lucky we even have a hit today.
agree on infusion
but who from whom and who is expendable and of value. i’d say we could give up thompson, reyes, and either duncan or barton w/o losing our competitiveness (ak is unfortunattely a bogo in any trade), but who could be get for that group? uggla would be a nice fit, but not likely to happen, so, ????
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
dunc
has more offensive potential, but i wonder if mather isn’t likely to be net ahead of him in the long run because if his better defense and overall speed. any trade needs to reduce the outfield logjam. 5 players who are effectively outfielders only and 4 middle infielder who are effectively infielders only is not a good formula in the nl.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
No, No he wasn't
major league
demonstration vs minor league potential is what i was referring to and what i think any major league gm would focus on who is looking for pitching now.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
but how can you say Duncan was better
Mather hasn’t been up but for a week?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Still not quite right
Mather’s had 34 PA’s and he’s put up a .241/.353/.379 line with five walks, a double, and a home run.
In Duncan’s first 34 PA’s, he never walked once but homered three times for a .235/.235/.559 line. Mather’s power is very real and he could easily make up that difference in Cincinnati’s wind tunnel. Add in the better defense and I’d take Mather.
screw the 2005 late call up
just look at 2006, that’s what I was originally referring to.
Through June (42 PAs) he had 3 HRs and an OPS over 900
then you have to say screw
Mather’s first week up too. You can’t throw away Duncan’s start but not Mather’s
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
The comparison in my mind was 2006
because it was the exact same situation – fine Duncan had an advantage because he came up in 2005. I’ll spot Mather 2 weeks and then you can make another comparison.
My thought was that in ‘06 both came up for struggling teams, because starters were hurt/struggling. Duncan came in and gave us a lot of help – I haven’t gotten that from Mather – except that he can hit Nat’s pitching.
Moving the goal posts
He had three home runs including that late call up and through his first 35 Major League plate appearances. (The last one in Busch II.)
He was two home runs better than Mather through his first 35 PA’s and Mather could make that up this week. I’d take Mather.
scored in one inning yesterday
and scored in none today. you’ve got to be kidding me
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
We scored in 2 yesterday
Yadier got a sac fly in the 8th
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
forgot about that one
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Shutter to think what will happen if this keeps up
against the likes of the Red Sox, Reds, Phillies, and Tigers.
here's the start
we’ll see the end of Lohse this inning
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
thanks for the big E
‘stros
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
Fuck a squeeze
We’re down by 3 runs in the 7th. Go for the cup
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
cmon
aerospace engineer that shit
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
better than iz1!
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
i don't think wandy likes us anymore
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Nice!
c’mon Miles – show Tony why Kennedy needs to stay on the bench
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
better than a GIDP
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 8, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
horrible at bat when all you need is a fly ball to be successful
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
have these guys never seen a curve ball, what gives??
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
cmon Ryan!!
do not strike out
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
That pitch
bounced off the plate, over his head, and to the wall. Yadi couldn’t have gotten that unless he were standing up.
he still sux though
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
baby~!
THAT WAS A SWEET AT BAT
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 8, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
whoohoo
they been dinking us to death this series, finally a payback
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Yeah, that was exactly the problem I was having
It wasn’t clear to me what happened on the wild pitch or Ryan’s hit.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
any chance
that Perez might get a shot to close today, if they can hang on?
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
Brendan Ryan needs to be starting at second base
do it
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
What great about that
Is that is the kind of shit that has been happening to us lately.. Our starter looks great, we get clutch hits, but one bad inning in the 7th or 8th undoes the whole sha-bang and hangs us with an L.
I love it when the Cardinals
crush the hopes, dreams and spirits of the fairweather Astro fans. Especially when the Stros set the table themselves with an error, 2 hit batsmen and a wild pitch. That was great now lets tag on another and keep the lead
This must be how Pittsburgh fans felt when they beat Wainer
last week – can’t do a damn thing for six innings, then boom!
we probably need to score again though
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
I don't remember who said it the other day
but this team has balls. they are one of the most resilient teams I have ever seen.
it is fun to see the shoe
on the other foot for a change
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
tis more blessed to give than receive, but i'll take it!!
sunday services now being held at the juice box
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Luddy
would love to see him park one in those dumb-assed Crawford Boxes
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 8, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
our pitching certainly needs a break
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding
He took a crawford cut at it too
by cloistermaximus on Jun 8, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It was straight as an arrow
but velocity makes up for a lot.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
nice to see those 3rd strikes way inside being called again
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
THESE are the times when I wish I could lip-read
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 8, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, how I hate incompetent umpires
that strike 3 to luddy was 6 inches inside.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
It seems so much worse
this year than in years past.
Even Tim McClelland had a shitty, inconsistent zone in the series we had with him.
it's almost lke they are begging
to be replaced by robots. Like at the big pre-spring-training umpire convention, they got together and said “ok guys, this year we’re going to blow every possible home run call, make a ton of questionable strike three calls and just in general be bad at our jobs. MLB will give us a nice severance package and we can watch the game down at the bar like everyone else”.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
+1, wandy must have left his personal strike zone in the game
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
In retrospect
Loshe really deserves the W. After he gave up the big hit, he got it back together, buckled down and put up zeros. Good game.
don't know, but must be--though i swear i've seen guys called out for less
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
so how can a call to the 'pen
be sponsored by Charter Communications? are they paying for the phone call somehow?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
perhaps they allow Channel 5
to show the reliever’s stats?
I''m a Jenius!
If Adam Kennedy can make a MLB roster, anyone can!
Sunday baseball
everyone gets to play. BTW Astros tv didnt go immediatly to a commercial and you heard the announcer say oh springer spaniels coming in.
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