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The Road Ahead

My Dad’s in town this weekend and we were watching yesterday’s game along with my brother. When he still smoked, every time the game would tighten he would disappear for a time as he went outside to crush one of his cancer sticks. Now that he’s quit, he has to find something else to occupy his time when he gets too nervous to watch. After Ludwick’s homer in the second, I told him "If we can’t hold a touchdown lead with Wainwright on the mound, I don’t want to watch the rest." As the game became more and more in doubt, he kept disappearing to look at the flowers in the front bed, get some water in the kitchen, whatever. Anything to avoid watching a gradually shrinking Cardinal lead.

Somehow the good guys managed to hold on to yesterday’s game, even as we continued to hemorrhage starting pitchers. It was reported that Wainwright sprained his middle finger during yesterday’s game but today’s news that he heard a "pop" and is heading to St. Louis to have doctors examine it is disconcerting, to say the least. According to the article, the wagonmaker was told that he might just need a few days off and some ice and his finger would be "perfect" or the other possibility, according to Wainwright, is "not perfect." Sounds like surgery’s a possibility. Damn! On a finger?????????? I guess that’s the nature of pitching.

Wainer’s injury, of course, comes on the heels of the news that Wellemeyer, last month’s NL pitcher of the month, will miss his next start but, hopefully, will not need to go on the DL. While I was getting the ribs going yesterday afternoon, my Dad told me that the Houston idiots calling the game reported that Wellemeyer had structural damage to his elbow. My reaction? --  Right in line w/ red baron’s thread yesterday -- "There goes the season" I said. Of course, the MRI showed NO STRUCTURAL DAMAGE to Wellemeyer’s elbow. I don’t know if the Astros’ idiots got it wrong or my Dad misheard and don’t really care. At least it appears, for now, that all Wellemeyer needs is a little rest. Nevertheless, they’re dropping like flies in the rotation.

To complicate things, Parisi pitched poorly and Clement (has he really become our savior?) is still at least a couple of weeks away from returning. There’s no word really on Pineiro – we just continue to be told that he’s not ready to be activated. Boggs is now in Pineiro’s spot. Presumably Reyes will come up and take either Wellemeyer’s or Wainer’s next start. Will we see a bullpen start soon? Is Brad Thompson near being activated? Whoever, these last 2 injuries mean we now have 6 injured starting pitchers (Carp, Mulder, Clement, Pineiro, Wainwright, Wellemeyer) and 7 if you count Brad Thompson. Mo built depth into the rotation b/c he knew that some were already injured or had tenuous injury histories and we’re still running out of starters.

At least the team is off Monday. Maybe that means that Boggs can be slotted into Wellemeyer’s start Tuesday, Looper comes back Wednesday and I suppose Reyes will go Thursday. Lohse goes Friday and then we’ll need someone Saturday unless we go w/ Boggs on just 3 days rest – not an option I favor. Perhaps Wellemeyer could be ready to go Saturday. If not, well….I dunno. At least Mo, Tony and Dunc have about a week to figure that out. It seems as though Wainer may have to go on the DL just to allow Reyes (and possibly Thompson?) to be called up to start next Saturday. Needless to say, the next week or two is going to test their creativity.

The schedule’s about to get more complicated than it’s been to this point as well. We’ve got our first visit to Cincinnati and then we play the surging Phillies before playing AL teams for 12 games – 9 of which are on the road in Boston, Detroit and KC. Following our trip across the state, the team gets to face the Mets. This will not be an easy road to navigate as the team approaches the All-Star break so now seems a pretty good time to look at what our schedule has looked like for the first 64 games.

Below is a table of the records, the Pythagorean records, the number of home and road games played, and the opponent’s winning percentages for each of the teams in the NL Central to date:

TEAMW - LPyth W-LHome/RoadOpp. W %
Cubs 39-24 41-22 34/29 .478
Cards 37-27 35-29 34/30 .475
Brewers 32-30 30-32 29/33 .520
Astros 32-31 30-33 26/37 .516
Reds 30-33 30-33 29/34 .519
Pirates 29-33 28-34 31/31 .533

Now, some of this is skewed by the fact that teams don’t play themselves. As long as we play well, our opponent winning % will be a little lower than other teams’ b/c while we’re playing the Pirates, for instance, they’re playing us. You’d expect the opponent winning % to increase as the team’s winning % decreases and, for the most part here, it does. The Brewers have played a pretty tough schedule, as evidenced by the fact that their opponent winning % is higher than either the ‘stros or the Reds and they’ve played 4 more road games than home games. The Astros have played an astounding 11 more road games than home games coming into today. Their schedule will get somewhat easier if only b/c they’ll be playing many more home games over the last 100 games.

Looking at the Cards, though, you’d expect our opponent winning % to be slightly higher than the Cubs, by virtue of the fact that they’ve played us and we’ve played them. The fact that ours is slightly lower leads me to believe that our schedule will be a little more difficult than theirs from here on out. More worrisome, however, is the disparity between our strength of schedule so far and the Brewers and Reds – 2 teams I expect to challenge us down the stretch. There’s a pretty wide gap. Both teams have already played the Dbacks, the Phillies, the Braves, the Marlins, the Mets, and more games against the Cubs than we have. Now, they’re not finished with all of those teams but we’ve played, combined, 3 games against the teams I’ve just listed while they’ve played more than 20. Our schedule’s going to get a lot tougher while theirs gets a lot easier.

Add to that the fact that we’ve played more home games than road (unlike either the Reds or Brewers) and now are experiencing some pretty severe starting pitcher travails and we’re going to have our work cut out for us just as we try and stay in the race for the Wild Card. The good news is that the Cubs’ schedule’s going to get considerably tougher as well.

That brings us full-circle – back to the starting pitcher questions. With Pineiro, Wellemeyer, and now Wainer out for the time being, the next month until the All-Star Game becomes a critical stretch.

In case any of you missed it, 2007 draftee Clayton Mortensen made his first start at Memphis last night. He pitched just OK and took the loss for the Redbirds after yielding 4 walks in 5.1 IP. He only gave up 2 ER in a 3-2 loss. Also, I guess it’s not a given that Reyes is recalled to take a start next week. Jaime Garcia has pitched better than Reyes at AAA – more IP, fewer H, fewer BB, more K’s so it’s possible they recall Garcia instead of Reyes. Like I said, it’s going to test their creativity.

I’ll get a game thread up in a couple of hours. Go Cards. We’re 3 for 3 in series against the Astros. Let’s make it 4 for 4.

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It's nice to have pitching depth (read: prospects)

but I kinda feel bad for Memphis—they were set to have their first really good team in a long while and we keep poaching all of their pitching.

by azruavatar on Jun 8, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thompson

Is making a Rehab start tomorrow at Memphis.

Boggs will be held out this weekend I’d only assue to go Tuesday.

Welly might still make a start this week. But I hope they skip him. Bring up Reyes for the start or something.

Clement should be pitching somewhere today right? I think im going to stop making jokes about him and start paying attention.

Izzy is set to begin rehab also. Ankiel will meat the team in Cinncy. And Adam Kennedy is still on the roster.

by Evilfrog on Jun 8, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clement

is pitching for Springfield today. We might want to keep one eye on that one as well.

by chuckb on Jun 8, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehe

Clement looks like a wax statue in this pitcher. Game time is at 6:10 for springfield. Who are only a game out of first place. So don’t stink it up Clement.

by Evilfrog on Jun 8, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with calling up Reyes

is I believe he is now out of options. Therefore, he’d either have to stay, be traded or put on waivers. I know what a lot of people would say and that he should be left on the big club and I can’t neccessarily say he shouldn’t. Anyway, it creates a problem.

by Tackle Box on Jun 8, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then by all means

Call him up. So maybe not the best move from the baseball standpoint, but geez, I am just about tired of all the Reyes stuff. If he is truly out of options, maybe it forces Mo’s hand.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

that Reyes can go up and down all year.

by TNTinCO on Jun 8, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I even knew that

I guess I was so excited by the thought of the Reyes drama ending that my brain momentarily farted

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's wrong

It has been explained here many times that once an option is invoked in a given year a player can continue to ride the Memphis shuttle throughout the year so long as they meet the requirement of staying down for ten days after being sent to the minors. In essence a player only uses 1 option a year.

by OCCardsFan on Jun 8, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I don't get to read every post and every fan post

The reason I said “I believe” is because I wasn’t sure. I stand corrected.

by Tackle Box on Jun 8, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quirk in the rule

He’s been optioned three years, but he’s not been a pro long enough to have used up his options. He can be sent up and down as much as necessary this year.

by liam on Jun 8, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a payback for over using starting pitching

The age and fragility of the bull pen is playing a huge part. Franklin used to provide inning. He is now on closer rations. K mac has been sheltered, rightly so maybe. Old lefty and situational lefty grab an inning now and then. The long men have been called into starting roles. Parisi who was doing fine in his role , now gone. Now we have a full body side armer that I have some reservations about. Springer is helpful but he is 55yrs old…...... Pressing the starters is foolishness, look around the league, they’re going down like flies…....... we need some rubber arms. What happens when the hospital ship pulls in with Carpenter and Clement? Better worry less about carrying fragile, veteran bullpen help and find some inning eaters. Even if you have to pay for them….......

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Waino.......Lohse is a 6 inning pitcher in a tough game.

Welly has tried to go deep too often…...Looper hasn’t lasted of late…....Pienro is obviously frail….....Carp
All this maybe, because Tony liked wily old vet relievers? I Suppose if Looper ended up in the Pen, we would have a he man calling for the ball. K Mac is for real, but Tommy Johns still in his rear view. Perez is so valuable, you don’t want to Parisi him. Maybe Welly’s elbow is telling him that starting isn’t his thing. One way or another the current configuration is in jeopardy.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what "Parisi him" means

but Chris Perez wil NEVER start a baseball game.

Parisi was a starting pitcher. An average one. Chris Perez has been a closer basically forever, there’s no comparison.

by Tackle Box on Jun 8, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

a starting pitcher, average, functioning well in the pen, now his confidence has been compromised. That what “to Parisi” means

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So a starting pitcher's confidence was comprimised

by having him start a ball game? Sounds a little over-protective.

by Tackle Box on Jun 8, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Syd?

In a hopefully unrelated note- the Rangers just DFA’d Ponson. Although he does have a 3.88 ERA right now…

by birdo rojo on Jun 8, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I 'pop' in his finger?

why do the Cardinals seem to come up with the most ridiculous injuries possible while the Cubs NEVER seem to have anyone important go on the DL. Soriano’s calf not withstanding.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

huh?

How do we know what the Wagonmaker’s best is? He hasn’t even been a starter for 2 years yet.
Just because Wood and Prior had great stuff that doesn’t make them better pitchers than AW

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say AW was better

I just didn’t understand the logic behind believing Wood and Prior are.
I believe that AW’s best pitch is just as great as Wood’s or Prior’s was, I also belive that people overvalue Wood and Prior.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wainer

The most important thing in being a “Good” pitcher is the ability to actually make starts…......

Wainer has been durable so far as a starter. I did not say Wainer is horse crap compared to Prior or Wood but I think they had a bit better stuff due to the velocity they could hit.

Prior was on the verge of being great until he ran into Giles on a freak base running play and got hit in the elbow by Brad Hawpe.

Prior first 39 starts of his career
327.3 Innings
392 SO
88 BB
2.88 ERA
1.14 WHIP

Abiltiy to touch 96-97 MPH in the 7th & 8th inning when he needed a K….........

Prior was damb good and I as a redbird fan can admit it.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 8, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was damn good

my argument is that a great curveball is just as effective as a great fastball. I tend to think people seem to forget that.
Santana doesn’t have the best fastball in the game , but during his prime he is the best pitcher I have had the privilege of watching.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

Wainers curve is like a Santana curve!

by ICbirdfan on Jun 8, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he has to RELY

on his best pitch being but merely a changeup

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a seemily unrelated notes

What the hell do they make the water coolers out of up there? And do you think Zambrano has a limited numbers of blow ups written into his contract?

by Evilfrog on Jun 8, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was my impression that they had been

decimated by pitching injuries in past years.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Kerry Wood and Mark Prior and Jon Lieber might disagree with that.

by Tackle Box on Jun 8, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was my impression

that Hardcore meant THIS year

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean Matty?

Like…........Why aren’t the Cubs hurt to? Waaaaaaaa They have consistent run production maybe, maybe a stronger bullpen? You couldn’t help but notice that Waino’s injury came as he started to grind again? Maybe this is his way of saying,”I don’t want to go 8 innings any more,”....I want a long celebrated career…......with some help on occasion…........I can give 7, ...thats a high heroic goal for a young pitcher…....rant rant

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you ever listen to Adam talk

after the game he was upset that he had to leave the game early. He obviously has the demeanor of someone who WANTS to go deep into every game.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

he probably can’t, or shouldn’t…............I felt that the “supposed” opportunity he was given in the lose to Pittsburgh, wasn’t that positive experience Tony seems to think it was. Huston was starting to pressure him yesterday…...and it was starting to show it in the fifth.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

since when is being pressured

or starting to grind in the 5th inning of a game in which you are rolling along having only thrown 73 pitches?
I just don’t get the overworked argument over something that happened weeks ago. He hasn’t been overworked since. Sometimes freak injuries just happen.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his last start......a loss

he gave up a 4 run lead….......that hurt his feelings a bit I’d guess. then came back to give up a run for the loss….....thats a ouch for an Ace….........I love the Kid….....enough not to be sending him to a Audition for “the spartan”.........He pitched well in that game…....and should have been remove before the 7th. Granny’s happen.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

you’re saying the finger injury is nothing more than Wainwright feeling the pressure?

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on Jun 8, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most injuries of this kind

have psycho-physical correlations…..........how not

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you believe..................................

You have invented a new form of punctation based on large groupings of periods? Or is there a secret code involved? Is there a reason why sometimes you include ten periods and other times just six? Do more periods indicate more emphasis? Does nine periods equal three ellipses? And if so what does that mean?

by OCCardsFan on Jun 8, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Tom Wolfe invented the punctuation using 50 periods and asterisks. See “Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test,” for the appropriate syntax.

by Red in Chicago on Jun 8, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

over the last two years, we’ve lost Chris Carpenter, Mark Mulder, Adam Wainwright, Scott Rolen, Albert Pujols, Jim Edmonds, David Eckstein, Rick Ankiel, Jason Isringhausen, Juan Encarnacion, Yadier Molina, and Chris Duncan to considerable down time.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am hoping

we haven’t lost AW yet

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its an educated guess

and I thought the same thing. I never buy first prognosis from team doctors. They always sugar coat things unless it’s painfully obvious to the viewing public.

by Tackle Box on Jun 8, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wellemeyer's injury

as described by stlcardinals.com:

Wellemeyer is bothered by inflammation in his right elbow. He also returned to St. Louis from Washington and had an MRI done on Friday. On Saturday, the Cardinals reported that the MRI showed a mild olecrenon stress reaction and posterior impingement. Wellemeyer will be reevaluated on Monday and plans to join the team in Cincinnati on Tuesday.

The medical staff hands out ‘impingements’ like they are sugar candy.

Also, on an unrelated note, Mulder has apparently had back-to-back good bullpen sessions. If we need a spot starter, might as well give it to him. Let him take the beating and then when he sucks awful, throw him back on the DL.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How in the hell will you every be able to trade that discard?

They will try to package him to a desperate sucker, before he is exposed. thats a 6 million dollar arm…....

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe someone has said this somewhere else and I missed it

Where is LB these days? I’ve not seen him post in awhile.

Just wondering

by soty987 on Jun 8, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it is at the bottom

of this post

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

I was away when that was posted, which explains why I missed it

by soty987 on Jun 8, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His internet connection

has an impingement. They need to do an MRI on it to find out what’s wrong. He’ll only be out for a month or two.

by Red in Chicago on Jun 8, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scary thoughts

Let’s say he worst happens (and let’s hope it doesn’t) but if Wagonmaker and Welly were to both be going on the shelf for more than a month and Pinero can’t get healthy what options do we have?

Do they just put Boggs and Garcia two rookies who haven’t started a game in the big leagues yet in the rotation….or does Mo have to look for some less than idea alternatives.

Here’s a guy that might be available and wouldn’t cost much: Jeff Weaver

Anybody know of starters that might be available that we could get for cheap?

by KYCards on Jun 8, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you know what you get with Weaver

I like the upside of Garcia/Boggs much better.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree but I also think it might be a good idea

to get a veteran starter like a Weaver as well if anything to take a little pressure off of two rookies who have little to no MLB experience.

I think Weaver is still in the Brewers minor leagues but since they haven’t called him up I’m not sure what his status is.

by KYCards on Jun 8, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weaver

1. I thought he signed with the Brewers for a minor-league deal.
2. He really pissed off the club after the WS. I don’t think he’s particularly welcome anymore.

by Red in Chicago on Jun 8, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was posted on MLB Trade Rumors several weeks ago

” According to the minor league deal that Jeff Weaver signed with the Brewers, if he was not called up by this Sunday he could ask for his release.”

by KYCards on Jun 8, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi-Me

Jaime Garcia is not on the 40 man roster. If Mo decided he wanted him to come up, he’d have to get especially creative. If he moved Clement, Carpenter, or Mulder to the 60-day DL would it effect their rehab schedules? That would only be a short term fix, anyway.
Another option would be to DFA Kennedy. There are probably a few people who wouldn’t mind that. They’d have to call up Hoffpauir or Rico to cover the infield vacancy. Barden is also not on the 40 man.
I guess my point is that Reyes seems like the best option.

Not that I would be against Kennedy being DFA’d, but I don’t think Rico is an upgrade and Hoffpauir seems like he could use more time to adjust to AAA. However, If they got rid of AK to clear a spot for Barden I wouldn’t mind.

by adiueordie on Jun 8, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clear space on the 40-man

I imagine they’d DFA Blake Hawksworth. He’s not having much success recovering from reconstructive surgery.

by liam on Jun 8, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or Jiminez or Rico

does anyone really think any of those 3 have real value on the 40 man roster?

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rico no

jimenez yes. if we keep pulling starters from the bullpen someone will need to pitch the sixth inning.

by adiueordie on Jun 8, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the way Jiminez pitches

if they need someone to mop up in the 6th, Miles can cover that.
Jiminez should never be on the active roster again

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 8, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rico

barely has real value on the Memphis roster with the emergence of Freese. Especially with Wallace entering the system in short order.

by liam on Jun 8, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It took me a while to remember but

didn’t Joel Zumaya complain of a similar finger pop only to find out his tendon in his finger had ruptured?

by azruavatar on Jun 8, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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