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Game 61 Open Thread- 4th June, 2008

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  The Colonel           John Lannan

   6-1, 3.16                 4-5, 3.52  

This is a matchup of two hugely surprising pitchers. Wellemeyer, of course, we all know about. The Colonel has been the Cards' second best hurler this season, and is quickly becoming one of those pitchers you always hope to see on the mound when you check the day's pitching matchup.

Lannan, on the other hand, is a product of the Washington farm system, and has just flown through. He's young, talented, and a soft tossing lefty. Ordinarily, that would be enough to send me into a panic, but I'm really liking the Cards' all righty lineup lately. Let's hope they can continue their success tonight; this is the sort of team the Cards really need to clean up against. June's going to be awfully tough. Got to take the wins where we can get them.

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But our all-righty lineup tonight

doesn’t include Albert Pujols…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:25 PM EDT   0 recs

dammit, the lineup feels naked

without him

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But hey!

This mean Izturis will bat righty. That means something right?

right? hello? is this thing on?

by paposse on Jun 4, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa

a DOS joke.

Don’t know if this well will be as deep as the NES one last night for rain-delay time killin’.

by liam on Jun 4, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

does that mean

that for tonight it is …Kernal Wellemeyer?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

At least nobody gets pitched around.........

Success against a finesse lefty is take him to right field, don’t over swing. That means you Mather….........and Troy….....

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 4, 2008 6:39 PM EDT   0 recs

pujols

does anyone know if something’s actually wrong with him? or is he just taking a couple days off to rest? consecutive days of for Pu can’t be normal…

by soccerfreak on Jun 4, 2008 6:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Additionally, is he availible to pinch hit?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe he could come in as a defensive replacement

in the 6th inning, tlr loves to do that

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 6:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that should be

defensive AND offensive replacement

by soccerfreak on Jun 4, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looks like a pop-up thunderstorm

I wish that storm line had gone about 500 miles south…for one thing I love thunderstorms (no tornadoes though) and for another it’s already starting to look like another drought-stricken summer…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i like a good storm too, if im at home

in florida we get a fair amount

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It was 96 degrees here today

And I looked at the 10-day forecast…more of the same for the next week and a half. Technically, it’s not even summer yet!

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Glaus has played a whole one inning of 1B in his career (per STLtoday.com)

Shit, Mather had more than that last night

AK must really feel slapped in the dick by being the only MIF not in the lineup tonight. He’s definitely the weak link (and the only guy who hits exclusively lefty)

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Lineups per Yahoo!

STL

Ryan 3B
Barton LF
Mather CF
Ludwick RF
Glaus 1B
Molina C
Miles 2B
Wellemeyer P
Izturis SS

WAS

Guzman SS
Dukes RF
Milledge CF
Boone 1B
Casto 3B
Flores C
Pena LF
Harris 2B
Lannan P

I was at the Willie Harris 6-hit game in Atlanta last year. I don’t know if he’s ever played MIF or if he’s trying it out or whatever. I also don’t know why Aaron Boone is over at 1st base. Actually, both teams have 3B playing 1B tonight…interesting…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Willis Harris

Willie came up as a 2B / CF with the White Sox way back when, if my mind serves me correctly…

...which his baseball reference page confirms

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/harriwi02.shtml

by djsmokyc on Jun 4, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah I took a look at that

Honestly, the first time I’d ever even heard of him was in that game last year.

Also looks like Boone has played most of his games at 1B for them.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

College...

I watched a bunch of white sox games growing up in Chicago, and going to school in Champaign. No FSN MW in either place (at the time).

by djsmokyc on Jun 4, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pujols

Rotoworld sidebar says his calf is acting up. Tony hopes 2 days rest and he’ll be ready to go Friday. sounds like only playing time he could get is pinch hitting—no defense

by soccerfreak on Jun 4, 2008 7:02 PM EDT   0 recs

We shouldn't (emphasize SHOULDN'T) need Pujols to beat the Nats

However, our #1 and #3 (Ankiel) guys in OPS+ are out tonight. Actually, we’ve only guy two guys in the lineup with an OPS+ over 100 (Ludwick and Glaus)

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Leach

Matt Leach is awesome BTW: http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/06/wednesday_evening_tidbits_pujo.html

Here is his post from today, looks like Ank won’t even be on the bench tonight.

Greetings from Nationals Park, where evidently at least one more line of storms is on the way. If you’re settling in to watch the game, be prepared for a long night.

  • Pujols is out at least tonight with discomfort in his left calf. TLR says best case scenario is that he’ll be back Friday in Houston, while Pujols hopes to play tomorrow. Dicey weather here mens Friday under the roof is a much better bet, it would seem.
  • Ankiel is also out, probably for a couple of days, because he’s come down with an infection in his scraped right knee. He was sent back to the hotel after he was checked out and treated.
  • STL lineup: Ryan 3B, Barton LF, Mather CF, Ludwick RF, Glaus 1B, Molina C, Miles 2B, Wellemeyer P, Izturis SS. Yes, that is correct—he flipped Mather and Ludwick in the outfield today.

by StLHugo on Jun 4, 2008 7:08 PM EDT   0 recs

I like Leach

He hasn’t been bloging as much as he did last year though.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

even if you had an infection (which we seemed to have a lot of last year)

how does it prohibit you from playing?

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by jealousblues on Jun 4, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem is...

getting more dirt/bacteria/other yuckies into the original injury. Ank’s apparently got a pretty well-scraped knee; cover it with anitbiotics, tape a gauze pad on it, and send him to the hotel to rest. His infection (according to the P-D) is underneath the “scab”.

What they’re trying to avoid is a staph infection, which could require IV antibiotics and a trip to the DL.

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gauze and a wound

As a physical therapy student, I want to let you know that gauze shouldn’t be used on a wound, unless it is the only option. There are much better options for dressings out there.

If the infection is underneath the wound covering, it should have been debrided. Cards medical staff always has me wondering, exactly what are they doing sometimes.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jun 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maggot time!

will they eat the dirt as well as the dead skin?

mattnj

by mattnj on Jun 4, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maggot therapy

It’s a very beneficial treatment for a patient with a large wound. They eat the necrotic tissue only and leave behind the viable tissue. Dirt should be long gone, should have been cleaned out in the dugout immediately after the injury.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jun 4, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

usually only with burn victims, right?

...So basically, the wound wasn’t cleaned properly after he dove? Is that the consensus here? The cards medical staff is under a microscope…and I had my own reasons for thinking they might suck because of some of the names associated with them….

mattnj

by mattnj on Jun 4, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not interested in blasting anyone...

I’ll leave it at that…those who know, know….

mattnj

by mattnj on Jun 4, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, not necessarily

Maggots are used on wounds that are large and have a lot of necrotic (dead) tissue; large pressure ulcers make good candidates for maggot therapy. They aren’t used that much because they are a bit expensive and most people don’t like the thought of maggots crawling around inside their wounds.

I didn’t mean to imply that the medical staff didnt do their job. I recall them working pretty hard on his hand and leg immediately after the play. I’m not big on saying its someone else’s responsibility to make sure that something like that is cleaned. Ankiel is an adult, I’d say it is his responsibility to make sure the thing was kept clean.

Infection could have come from many things, not just from the wound not being kept clean. It is important to remember that we all have a large bacterial presence on our bodies at all times. Sometimes things like that are just not so easy to prevent. I’d just expect it to be treated a little better now that it has become a problem.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jun 4, 2008 10:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is there any chance of this game being played tonight?

It looks like DC is covered in red on the radar

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 4, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

damn commies

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Colonel

Remind me again how Wellemeyer got the nickname “The Colonel”? And btw, KTRS is playing some funky jazz right now. Still better than FSN’s rain-delay coverage last night. :)

by blehmann on Jun 4, 2008 7:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Welley...

is a legit Kentucky Colonel.

by mynameistyler on Jun 4, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FSN's rain coverage tonight...

is the same freakin’ shows from last night’s rain delay… Sheesh!

Heck, lemme into the booth and I’ll tell Cardinals stories from back in the day; I’ve been watchin’ the Birds since Shannon played (grin)

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

there are few things better

than some funky jazz

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

there are NO things better in life

than some jazzy funk

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rat Own, Rat Own....

cue up the P-Funk! YOW!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope the game gets rained out...

without Albert in the lineup,

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 4, 2008 7:34 PM EDT   0 recs

i want baseball!

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:40 PM EDT   0 recs

I want baseball, but

only with Pujols in the lineup. Lacking that, I want rain.

by StanTheManFan on Jun 4, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and if APu is going to

get the amount of time of this year that Tony implied, might as well have a couple of them be against the gNAts

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

im not rational, those are good argument

but i want baseball!

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Radar looks like the heavy rain

will pass through D.C. about 8:20… 8:30. EDT…... too late to start a game?

Doubt they would play a D.H. tomorrow…... would have to use a east coast open date to make it up.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 4, 2008 7:46 PM EDT   0 recs

That would be 7:30 here

Which isnt to late in my opinion.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They won't make it up

unless we are still in the Wild Card hunt at the end of the season.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well, if you're that optimistic

Why not the division lead? Think the Cubs have staying power?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 4, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do

Think 2004, but with us and them reversed. Of course, it would be nice to write a happier ending than they did that year…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

too late?

damn pacific games kill me

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by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Betcha they play tonight

but fergoshsakes, don’t tell Pete Rose!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They might have a DH tomorrow

Should be just about clear all day. But I agree with Hardcore…unlikely they’d try to make it up unless it had a direct impact on a playoff race (probably Wild Card)

Actually, July 7 is a day they could do it. They’ll be coming back from Cincy about to open a home series with Arizona. We’ll be leaving Chicago for Philadelphia. I think we could swing a quick trip into DC for a day…but I don’t make those decisions.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't know if this will help baseball fix but

I’m moving to Thailand, and I have a bunch of Cardinal books, encyclopedias and the like. Free to a good home – or even an abusive one. First come first serve. I’ll box and mail them.

by akaitori on Jun 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Where in Thailand?

Oki, Thailand: you’re hitting all my old stomping grounds.

by random on Jun 4, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Storms look nasty

If you’re in it’s path…. I hope you got your butt parked in the middle of the house.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 4, 2008 7:57 PM EDT   0 recs