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  The Colonel           John Lannan

   6-1, 3.16                 4-5, 3.52  

This is a matchup of two hugely surprising pitchers. Wellemeyer, of course, we all know about. The Colonel has been the Cards' second best hurler this season, and is quickly becoming one of those pitchers you always hope to see on the mound when you check the day's pitching matchup.

Lannan, on the other hand, is a product of the Washington farm system, and has just flown through. He's young, talented, and a soft tossing lefty. Ordinarily, that would be enough to send me into a panic, but I'm really liking the Cards' all righty lineup lately. Let's hope they can continue their success tonight; this is the sort of team the Cards really need to clean up against. June's going to be awfully tough. Got to take the wins where we can get them.

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But our all-righty lineup tonight

doesn’t include Albert Pujols…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dammit, the lineup feels naked

without him

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But hey!

This mean Izturis will bat righty. That means something right?

right? hello? is this thing on?

by paposse on Jun 4, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa

a DOS joke.

Don’t know if this well will be as deep as the NES one last night for rain-delay time killin’.

by liam on Jun 4, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does that mean

that for tonight it is …Kernal Wellemeyer?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least nobody gets pitched around.........

Success against a finesse lefty is take him to right field, don’t over swing. That means you Mather….........and Troy….....

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 4, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pujols

does anyone know if something’s actually wrong with him? or is he just taking a couple days off to rest? consecutive days of for Pu can’t be normal…

by soccerfreak on Jun 4, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Additionally, is he availible to pinch hit?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe he could come in as a defensive replacement

in the 6th inning, tlr loves to do that

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 6:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that should be

defensive AND offensive replacement

by soccerfreak on Jun 4, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like a pop-up thunderstorm

I wish that storm line had gone about 500 miles south…for one thing I love thunderstorms (no tornadoes though) and for another it’s already starting to look like another drought-stricken summer…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like a good storm too, if im at home

in florida we get a fair amount

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was 96 degrees here today

And I looked at the 10-day forecast…more of the same for the next week and a half. Technically, it’s not even summer yet!

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glaus has played a whole one inning of 1B in his career (per STLtoday.com)

Shit, Mather had more than that last night

AK must really feel slapped in the dick by being the only MIF not in the lineup tonight. He’s definitely the weak link (and the only guy who hits exclusively lefty)

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineups per Yahoo!

STL

Ryan 3B
Barton LF
Mather CF
Ludwick RF
Glaus 1B
Molina C
Miles 2B
Wellemeyer P
Izturis SS

WAS

Guzman SS
Dukes RF
Milledge CF
Boone 1B
Casto 3B
Flores C
Pena LF
Harris 2B
Lannan P

I was at the Willie Harris 6-hit game in Atlanta last year. I don’t know if he’s ever played MIF or if he’s trying it out or whatever. I also don’t know why Aaron Boone is over at 1st base. Actually, both teams have 3B playing 1B tonight…interesting…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Willis Harris

Willie came up as a 2B / CF with the White Sox way back when, if my mind serves me correctly…

...which his baseball reference page confirms

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/harriwi02.shtml

by djsmokyc on Jun 4, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I took a look at that

Honestly, the first time I’d ever even heard of him was in that game last year.

Also looks like Boone has played most of his games at 1B for them.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

College...

I watched a bunch of white sox games growing up in Chicago, and going to school in Champaign. No FSN MW in either place (at the time).

by djsmokyc on Jun 4, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pujols

Rotoworld sidebar says his calf is acting up. Tony hopes 2 days rest and he’ll be ready to go Friday. sounds like only playing time he could get is pinch hitting—no defense

by soccerfreak on Jun 4, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We shouldn't (emphasize SHOULDN'T) need Pujols to beat the Nats

However, our #1 and #3 (Ankiel) guys in OPS+ are out tonight. Actually, we’ve only guy two guys in the lineup with an OPS+ over 100 (Ludwick and Glaus)

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leach

Matt Leach is awesome BTW: http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/06/wednesday_evening_tidbits_pujo.html

Here is his post from today, looks like Ank won’t even be on the bench tonight.

Greetings from Nationals Park, where evidently at least one more line of storms is on the way. If you’re settling in to watch the game, be prepared for a long night.

  • Pujols is out at least tonight with discomfort in his left calf. TLR says best case scenario is that he’ll be back Friday in Houston, while Pujols hopes to play tomorrow. Dicey weather here mens Friday under the roof is a much better bet, it would seem.
  • Ankiel is also out, probably for a couple of days, because he’s come down with an infection in his scraped right knee. He was sent back to the hotel after he was checked out and treated.
  • STL lineup: Ryan 3B, Barton LF, Mather CF, Ludwick RF, Glaus 1B, Molina C, Miles 2B, Wellemeyer P, Izturis SS. Yes, that is correct—he flipped Mather and Ludwick in the outfield today.

by StLHugo on Jun 4, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Leach

He hasn’t been bloging as much as he did last year though.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even if you had an infection (which we seemed to have a lot of last year)

how does it prohibit you from playing?

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by jealousblues on Jun 4, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is...

getting more dirt/bacteria/other yuckies into the original injury. Ank’s apparently got a pretty well-scraped knee; cover it with anitbiotics, tape a gauze pad on it, and send him to the hotel to rest. His infection (according to the P-D) is underneath the “scab”.

What they’re trying to avoid is a staph infection, which could require IV antibiotics and a trip to the DL.

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gauze and a wound

As a physical therapy student, I want to let you know that gauze shouldn’t be used on a wound, unless it is the only option. There are much better options for dressings out there.

If the infection is underneath the wound covering, it should have been debrided. Cards medical staff always has me wondering, exactly what are they doing sometimes.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jun 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maggot time!

will they eat the dirt as well as the dead skin?

mattnj

by mattnj on Jun 4, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maggot therapy

It’s a very beneficial treatment for a patient with a large wound. They eat the necrotic tissue only and leave behind the viable tissue. Dirt should be long gone, should have been cleaned out in the dugout immediately after the injury.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jun 4, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

usually only with burn victims, right?

...So basically, the wound wasn’t cleaned properly after he dove? Is that the consensus here? The cards medical staff is under a microscope…and I had my own reasons for thinking they might suck because of some of the names associated with them….

mattnj

by mattnj on Jun 4, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not interested in blasting anyone...

I’ll leave it at that…those who know, know….

mattnj

by mattnj on Jun 4, 2008 9:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, not necessarily

Maggots are used on wounds that are large and have a lot of necrotic (dead) tissue; large pressure ulcers make good candidates for maggot therapy. They aren’t used that much because they are a bit expensive and most people don’t like the thought of maggots crawling around inside their wounds.

I didn’t mean to imply that the medical staff didnt do their job. I recall them working pretty hard on his hand and leg immediately after the play. I’m not big on saying its someone else’s responsibility to make sure that something like that is cleaned. Ankiel is an adult, I’d say it is his responsibility to make sure the thing was kept clean.

Infection could have come from many things, not just from the wound not being kept clean. It is important to remember that we all have a large bacterial presence on our bodies at all times. Sometimes things like that are just not so easy to prevent. I’d just expect it to be treated a little better now that it has become a problem.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jun 4, 2008 10:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn commies

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Colonel

Remind me again how Wellemeyer got the nickname “The Colonel”? And btw, KTRS is playing some funky jazz right now. Still better than FSN’s rain-delay coverage last night. :)

by blehmann on Jun 4, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welley...

is a legit Kentucky Colonel.

by mynameistyler on Jun 4, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FSN's rain coverage tonight...

is the same freakin’ shows from last night’s rain delay… Sheesh!

Heck, lemme into the booth and I’ll tell Cardinals stories from back in the day; I’ve been watchin’ the Birds since Shannon played (grin)

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are few things better

than some funky jazz

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are NO things better in life

than some jazzy funk

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rat Own, Rat Own....

cue up the P-Funk! YOW!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope the game gets rained out...

without Albert in the lineup,

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 4, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i want baseball!

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want baseball, but

only with Pujols in the lineup. Lacking that, I want rain.

by StanTheManFan on Jun 4, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and if APu is going to

get the amount of time of this year that Tony implied, might as well have a couple of them be against the gNAts

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im not rational, those are good argument

but i want baseball!

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Radar looks like the heavy rain

will pass through D.C. about 8:20… 8:30. EDT…... too late to start a game?

Doubt they would play a D.H. tomorrow…... would have to use a east coast open date to make it up.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 4, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be 7:30 here

Which isnt to late in my opinion.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, if you're that optimistic

Why not the division lead? Think the Cubs have staying power?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 4, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do

Think 2004, but with us and them reversed. Of course, it would be nice to write a happier ending than they did that year…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too late?

damn pacific games kill me

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Betcha they play tonight

but fergoshsakes, don’t tell Pete Rose!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They might have a DH tomorrow

Should be just about clear all day. But I agree with Hardcore…unlikely they’d try to make it up unless it had a direct impact on a playoff race (probably Wild Card)

Actually, July 7 is a day they could do it. They’ll be coming back from Cincy about to open a home series with Arizona. We’ll be leaving Chicago for Philadelphia. I think we could swing a quick trip into DC for a day…but I don’t make those decisions.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't know if this will help baseball fix but

I’m moving to Thailand, and I have a bunch of Cardinal books, encyclopedias and the like. Free to a good home – or even an abusive one. First come first serve. I’ll box and mail them.

by akaitori on Jun 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where in Thailand?

Oki, Thailand: you’re hitting all my old stomping grounds.

by random on Jun 4, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Storms look nasty

If you’re in it’s path…. I hope you got your butt parked in the middle of the house.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 4, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The grounds crew were not real sharp

last night according to TLR and the umps. Hope they got it together now.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 4, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

without pujols and a big card lead

i bet they are

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jun 4, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I read TLRs comments. I bet they are much better tonight.

They are professionals and don’t want to be embarrassed either. I read that Lohse had some negative words too.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum

by IrishDomer08 on Jun 4, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Penguins!

Sidney Crosby’s youth is really evident in his playoff beard (or lack thereof)

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

storms

From St. Louis and live in Annapolis. Craziest storms since I’ve lived here. There were 4 tornados, hail you name it. Still alive and kicking. I went to the game last night and had the seats in the presidential section. Needless to say, if you ever get the chance I highly recommend it. Free food, front row just off center behind home plate. I would post pictures, but don’t know how.

Life is short! Break the rules! And never regret anything that made you smile.

by Section8 on Jun 4, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT - Volquez...

Watching the Reds – Phillies game. This kid can pitch. His ball really moves and he’s touched 97.

Volquez, Bruce & Votto. Reds may have something here with these kids.

by jdubya on Jun 4, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just cancel it

the radar looks horrible. The hour by hour forecast isnt’ favorable. If you play for an hour and then call it, someone is going to get pissed. Just cancel it.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, too soon to cancel.

Looks like the heaviest stuff is past. Now just light rain which will diminish over the next hour. Two hours from now they could be playing ball.

by Egyptian on Jun 4, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or, better yet

Push the start back to 11 so I can watch it on the couch at home rather than on the cpu at work.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jun 4, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

but I will be watching at the CPU at home either way, but I have a long night of work ahead of me and wouldn’t mind at all if the game dragged on into the morning.

by Egyptian on Jun 4, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

overflow thread is up

seriously.

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on Jun 4, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just out of curiousity...

why is everyone saying June will be so tough? Granted seven at home, seventeen on the road, but 8 of the 17 are against teams with below .500 records at home. Only Boston at Fenway is truly daunting. The next 24 opponents are 60 games below .500.

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seeing as the Cards had trouble putting the Pirates away

at home, nothing can be taken for granted.

On the road, we play good offensive teams in Cincy (3), Houston (3), Detroit (3), Boston (3) and then at home against Philadelphia (3). Kansas City appears to be in a funk, but they’ve played us tough the last 2 years.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 4, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't really care about Cincy and Houston

If we can’t beat them on the road, we don’t deserve to win the division anyway. Houston is sputtering and Cincy has a lot of young talent, but can’t put it together day in and day out. Philly I think will be competitive, as will KC but we should be able to win the series against them too.

Obviously, it depends on which Detroit team we play and the Boston looks scary, but this is the test of the season. We make it through this and we should be well on our way to the playoffs. I like our chances.

by Egyptian on Jun 4, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the Pirates are always a pesky team though

I wouldn’t judge the team on this… it seems like the Pirates can give you trouble any year, despite their suckage.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

won 2 out of 3 so far, right?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

He means the Pirates give us trouble, but they don’t give the Cubs any

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true enough

still doesn’t disprove my comment

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was wondering the same thing.

I think we should be okay with Detroit, Houston, Cincy, and KC taking 2 of 3 from each… the only one that presents concern is Boston… and that is just because Boston is home. Should be a good series though.

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 4, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beware the stros

looking for a team that has fought the unbalanced schedule with lots more away than home to date, look at the stros. they deserve it though for phonetically stealing the name one of my favorite beers (strohs)

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 4, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As of 15 minutes ago....

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on Jun 4, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s still coming down like crazy. I doubt they get it in tonight.

Life is short! Break the rules! And never regret anything that made you smile.

by Section8 on Jun 4, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe its better this way...

apparently the free service that mlb.tv is providing has inundated their system, i cant get on mlb.com or stlcardinals.com to watch the game

by krippledmaster on Jun 4, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, there's not really anything to watch right now

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 9:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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