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Under Pressure or Station to Station?

Great game last night, outside of the rain delays. Still, even with all the time spent watching the tarp, it was a beautiful game.

Although, you know what? It was actually worse than watching the tarp. FSN's rain delay programming is just god awful. Oh, how I long for the days of rain delays on good old Channel 11, when the inclement weather meant Three Stooges shorts and Schweig Engel commercials. In fact, I'm calling for FSN Midwest to immediately go out and purchase the rights to the Three Stooges catalogue. Rain delay? Hey, here we go! Ooh, this is a Shemp episode. Good stuff. Not as good as Curly, of course, but a far cry better than the shameful Joe Besser years. Get it done, FSN.

Anyhow, great game. I was more than a little surprised to see Kyle Lohse coming back out after the first delay; I was utterly flabbergasted when he came out after the second. I understand that Tony wanted to get him the win, and that's fantastic. But is the win worth risking Kyle's health? I worry about it. We've talked a lot lately, particularly in Lboros's excellent piece yesterday, entitled "Heroes", about Tony leaving pitchers in under conditions when maybe they should be out of the game, Wainwright in particular. I worry that La Russa's loyalty to his players, and his determination to help them succeed, may actually be having the opposite effect, and blinding him to the very real risks to the player. Part of the manager's job is to be responsible for the players, who most likely aren't going to be responsible for themselves. No pitcher is going to tell the manager he shouldn't be out there. It's up to the manager to make that decision. Sometimes the most important job a manager has is to protect players from themselves. I worry that Tony forgets that aspect of the job. I'm not as concerned about Lohse as I would be about Wainwright; I don't expect Lohse to be a building block for the next ten years of Cardinal baseball. But I still watch things like what happened last night and I wonder if Tony is really taking all the risks into account. Oh well, moving on...

The best part of the game last night, to me at least, was the double steal in the fourth inning. You almost never see that play anymore, least of all from a Tony La Russa managed club. But as a child of the 1980s, I miss the running game. I miss the excitement that you felt every time a man was on base, knowing that you may see something happen on every single pitch.

Beyond even just the fact that I thought it was exciting personally, though, I thought it was a great play for the Cardinals to attempt at that point in the game. It got them to a 5 run lead, which is, as evidenced by Monday's game against Pittsburgh, always significant, and it illustrated a facet of this particular Cardinal team that I think is going underused so far this season.

The past few years, we've become accustomed to watching the Cardinals play strictly station to station baseball. There were a couple of reasons for this, both of them pretty decent. One, with the firepower that the Cards could throw out there on a regular basis, with the MV3 and all, you didn't want to run yourself into any extra outs. Knowing that Pujols, Rolen, and Edmonds were coming up was a powerful reason to keep baserunners right where they were. The proverbial three run homer was always a distinct possibility. Two, and this is probably an even more important consideration, the Cardinals simply didn't have the players to do much running. Tony Womack was, of course, capable of stealing a base, and did so in 2004. Renteria had enough speed to occasionally take a base, and Reggie Sanders could run, but that was about it. As recently as last year, the Cardinals' biggest stolen base threats were David Eckstein, who simply didn't have the speed to take many bases anymore, and Juan Encarnacion, who was nobody's idea of a burner.

This year's team, though, is a different bunch. There are quite a few players on this team that have the speed to be threats on the basepaths. We all know about Brian Barton's speed. Cesar Izturis has some definite quickness on the basepaths. Brendan Ryan, Rick Ankiel, and Joe Mather are all fast enough to steal a bag. Not every single time they get on, of course, like a Michael Bourn or one of those types, but definitely now and again. Even Ryan Ludwick has better than average speed.

Still, though, we've seen remarkably little aggressiveness on the bases from this team so far in 2008. As a team, they've swiped only 24 bags, with Cesar Izturis accounting for a full quarter of those.

The problem, I think, is simply a reliance on the old ways. I think La Russa is still, in large part, going on the premise that you simply can't afford to hand away baserunners. This, though, is a different offense. This offense has some thunder, yes, with Pujols and Glaus and Ludwick, oh my. But there is no MV3 in this lineup. We've seen this offense continuously put runners on base in large numbers and then struggle to plate them. I think it may be time to try something a little different.

We see Tony employ the hit and run, but almost never just the straight steal. To me, if the team has the talent to play the running game, you have to consider doing more of it. We saw last night, on a couple of occasions, what speed on the basepaths can help to accomplish. Besides the double steal, we saw in the first inning what the speed of Barton was able to do. The error on the attempted double play off Albert Pujols' grounder back to Perez was caused, in large part, because the pitcher had to try and rush his throw to get the speedy Barton. Perez hurried the throw, and it wasn't a good one. Guzman tried to hurry his catch and throw, and ended up unable to handle the ball. Net result? Instead of a potential double play, you had two men on base and a big inning in the making.

There are plenty of arguments against the running game, and most of them have some definite merit. But to me, the benefits outweigh the possible stumbling blocks. Just the added pressure alone, on the pitcher, the catcher, the fielders, can be a difference maker. Constantly putting pressure on the fielders to rush, to make perfect plays, ends up resulting in more chances to score runs, in my opinion.

We've seen the Cardinals play station to station. This year, though, the players are in place to try and take advantage of a different dimension, that of speed. I think it would behoove the team to try and take advantage of it. Anybody care to chime in?

Two things. One, I sincerely doubt I can keep the David Bowie theme going much further. If anyone has a suggestion of how to use "Life on Mars?" in a title, let me know.

Two, I'll be back here tomorrow, blogging for draft day. I've been looking forward to it since January, and it's finally here. I had planned on trying to collect draft pick guesses from several different people, such as the staff here, over at FR, and some others from Gateway Redbirds and places like that, and chart them up in preparation for tomorrow. Unfortunately, I didn't think of it until Monday morning, the net result being that I didn't have the time to contact everyone and do it the way I wanted to. So, new plan. I want to do a community draft prediction. If any of you out there are interested in making your predictions ahead of time, send them to me and I'll  chart them all up.

What I'm looking for is two separate things. I want to know who you WANT the Cardinals to draft, and then, separately, who you think they WILL draft. If the two happen to be the same, that's fine. Just tell me. I'm only looking for the Cards' first pick, at #13. Trying to do any more than that gets very, very complicated in a hurry. So just the first pick.

I'm going to collect everyone's predictions and make up a community chart for tomorrow. I just think it could be interesting to see what everybody thinks going in. If you would like to participate, please email your predictions to me at

asaeschafer@gmail.com.

I'll get them all put together and we'll see how everyone's guesses work out. If you do send me a prediction, please include your username so I know who you are. Thanks.

Erik and the guys over at Future Redbirds are going to be all over the draft today and tomorrow. Check over there regularly for little tidbits and updates.

I'm going to program the game threads automatically tonight, as I probably won't be around to do so this evening. So, if there's any big news or anything, I apologise for not keeping abreast of it in the game thread. I am a bit concerned with Albert's calf; if he goes down for a few days, do we see Duncan back up, or do we see Mather get some time over at first? Personally, I would rather see Mather over there. Duncan was sent down for a reason; bringing him back up right now isn't going to help him get himself straightened out. Anyway...

Have a nice day, everybody, and send me those picks.

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Lohse

Apparently was hidding from LaDunca

“It was tough. Obviously, I was trying to stay as far away from Tony and (pitching coach Dave Duncan) as I could so they wouldn’t have any doubts,” Lohse said. “I was down in the cage trying to stay warm.”

It’s good they had some cages inside for the pitcher to stay warm.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

nats park is very state-of-the-art

and it better be, for the price tag the citizens of the district paid for it ($600+ million).

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 4, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cages

Do they put the pitcher on some sort of rack? The Iron Maiden possibly?

by spencegrif on Jun 4, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan

Duncan is not eligible to be recalled until he spends 10 days at AAA. That would mean he is not eligible to be recalled until 6/8.

by indakind on Jun 4, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

The only way

he can be brought back before then is if someone goes on the DL.

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on Jun 4, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yo, VIP, Let's kick it!

Should have known you get me with one of these songs. I don’t think this was the one you were going for but it’s playing in a loop in my head, this is pure hell.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Jun 4, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we would have to throw in another big-time player or two

to get Cano. Good, young 2B are hard to find, so he would be expensive. I don’t know who they would replace him with anyway. Can’t believe they would want Kennedy or Miles as a replacement.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by Futility Infielder on Jun 4, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

hall of fame

intra-division trading concerns aside, any chance we pursue bill hall to play second base? looks like he is being shopped and his current numbers aren’t too impressive, so he may be accessible for middling prospect level compensation. of course, with his present production, the acquirer will require a leap of faith for a return of past performance to the future for bill. interesting possibility, particularly considering the interest in him back in the capuano acquisition phase this spring.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 4, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Tim Dierkes' chat yesterday

he said that a trade for Bill Hall should work, but the intra-division thing would probably get in the way.

by Phizzle on Jun 4, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's looking more and more

like his 2006 season was a fluke. Does he represent enough of an upgrade at 2B to trade away some talent? What do you think it would take? Just asking the question.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by Futility Infielder on Jun 4, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least he has some pop

to go with the godawful OBP, unlike kennedy.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 4, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think Bill Hall could be a good addition.

He has switched positions three seasons in a row. I don’t care who you are, all that extra learning going into the new position has got to take time away from working on your hitting. He could be a good buy low candidate. Except he does have a long term contract-on the other hand, he’s still fairly young, and can play the infield and the outfield. Kind of like what Scott Spezio used to do for this team…...Throw Milwaukee a couple of pitchers.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 4, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to get Bill Hall but

I highly doubt the Brewers would trade him to us though. He doesn’t hit for average but he has a lot of pop and he has always hit good at Busch.

by KYCards on Jun 4, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

welly

does seem to be having a bottenfield-ish year

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by jealousblues on Jun 4, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Bottenfield had a pretty empty 20 win season

Wellsie is having a pretty solid year all around

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two things regarding Albert

1) His awesomeness is so awesome that we should probably play a man short for up to 10 days if we have to in order avoid sending him to the DL (assuming he indeed needs less than 15 days to get back in the lineup).
2) I have no problem with running a bit more in the bottom part of the order, but if you are on base with Albert due up in the inning you better be damn sure you can make it if you decide to steal.

by mikedallas45 on Jun 4, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

63 pitches for Lohse

I don’t see a problem with sending Lohse out there after the rain delays. He used 63 stress free pitches to get his five innings in and I presume he got up three or four times to loosen up during the two delays. The pitches he threw during those cage sessions were even less stressful than the 63 thrown during the game.

"It ain't braggin' if you can back it up." - Dizzy Dean

by DizzyDean17 on Jun 4, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Lohse

If it is cold and wet, you need to be careful and not push your luck with bringing pitchers back out after rain delays.. If it is hot/humid, I guess I don’t see a huge issue with bringing a guy back as long as he stays lose by throwing/riding a bike…. You just don’t want a guy to go sit in a big comfortable chair in an air conditioned club house and get stiff thus risking injury if he does not properly losen up prior to going back into the game…

My biggest concern actually is the mound/field rather than a pitchers arm….. You tend to get more pitchers hurt by pitching on a sloppy mound if they slip/over compensate because they are affraid to properly land on a bad mound….Let’s face it no matter how much field dry they put out there the mound is still generally not in 100% great condition. Also you risk a pitcher getting hurt coming off the mound to field slow rollers/bunts in the wet grass…. That stoping real fast action can lead to issues as well…

I don’t know what the temp was last night but with an experienced pitcher like Lohse I don’t see the concern of brining him back if the temp was warm enough.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 4, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

it got a little chilly in the late innings

at least i was chilly, wearing a t-shirt and shorts. but the guys on the field probably didn’t notice.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 4, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this team.

I just love how the bounce back from though losses instead of letting last night or sunday steamroll into 3-4 game lossing streaks.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Grit

The mentality has obviously changed, but I will point out that, at least this series, we are playing the Nats, a poor team even when half of their Opening Day starting lineup, including their best player, is not on the DL. That said, we were 1-5 vs. Washington last season and this season we are 4-0, with two games to go. Our changing fortune from last year to this year is clearly evident. It is great to see us beating up on mediocre teams (excepting Pittsburgh, against whom we have a losing record), and there is no reason why we should not pull off the season sweep against this injury depleted National club.

by bgh on Jun 4, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nats

Half the Nats squad is on the DL right now, and they were already one of the worst teams in baseball. If you can’t bounce back in DC, then you probably aren’t going to.

by spencegrif on Jun 4, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is true.

But this was the lastest example of that. Not the first. Im just noting one of the improvements over last year’s team.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

just like last year

when we got swept there. god, that was painful to watch.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 4, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evil is onto something…it would be just like the Nats to bite you when you least expect it, no matter how they project to play with the depth chart engaged. They could have been playing over their heads, making great plays and hitting clutch, while we took it for granted they would fold up.

by cardschinmusic on Jun 5, 2008 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Running Game

Asking this team to steal a ton of bases would be a mistake in my opinion. As you correctly note, the Cards do not have a guy whose speed makes him a certainty to go everytime he reaches, as well as allows him to steal at the 80% clip or better that we know he needs to reach in order to benefit the team. While the guys you mention do have some speed, I would contend that they will not exceed that 80% number.

Meanwhile, Glaus has begun to find a power stroke, teams are beginning to fear Ludwick, Ankiel, and some of the other OFs, and as lboros noted recently, Pujols is seeing more hittable pitches. Running yourself into outs, taking runners off the bases, and even opening up first base will all decrease the number of hittable pitches he sees.

I like the idea to be agressive, but this club just isn’t a straight steal team on very many occasions in my eyes. Obviously even Albert can swipe the occasional bag by paying attention, taking advantage, and getting a good jump, but if you remove that edge of the element of surprise, I don’t think this team can sustain enough of a stolen base percentage to make it worth their while.

by Zack Morris on Jun 4, 2008 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

That 80% number only applies to game neutal situations, preppie

when you’re in the late innings of a close game, the margin goes way down.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

love the use of preppie

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 4, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's your point?

I totally agree. I also agree that in those situations, the Cards should consider the option. However, the original post appears to only be advocating for a general mentality of stealing more; I didn’t see anything about a particular situation. Down below someone mentioned that running into outs may decrease the Cards’ LOB numbers, but it won’t increase the number of runs scored. I thought that was a great observation.

Are you advocating for increasing steal attempts across the board? I continue to maintain that this team is not built for such a strategy, and it would amount to giving away outs.

(That’s what they taught me at Bayside, anyway)

by Zack Morris on Jun 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i for one trust you

you’re a smart guy, you even did better than jessie on the SAT

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep the Bowie theme going

A couple of great places you can go from here:
Space Oddity (Post Defensive positioning), Starman (Post about Barton), It Ain’t Easy (Obvious), Five Years (Offensive production over the last 5 years?), Rock n’ Roll Suicide (After a bad loss), Rebel Rebel (Disobeying Duncan’s pitching instructions), Fame (All star voting), Scary Montsters..

I could go on and on and on.

by cloistermaximus on Jun 4, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

good ideas

here are a couple more: the rise and fall of ziggy stardust jimmy baseball, and “is there life in mars glaus?”

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ground Control to Adam K,

your bat is dead, there’s something wrong!

Can you hear me Adam K?
CAN YOU HEAR ME ADAM K?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha I like it

TLR to Adam K
TLR to Adam K
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

(...)

This is Adam K to TLR
I’m swinging for the fence
And I’m popping out in a most peculiar way

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

NICE

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jun 4, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

jimmy stardust...

so where were his numbers?
the padres’ offense had hit new lows
so they had to release him…
when he finally got the scrub,
he had to sign with the cubs! (aww!)

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's been Station to Station for these Diamond Dogs

but maybe now the team has the opposing catcher Under Pressure like it’s 1984?

Steriods is...is bad.

by Handsome Jimmy on Jun 4, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or how about "Ashes to Ashes"

Its the sequel to “Space Oddity.” The post can be about when the Cubs finally come back down to earth and realize they are toast. I will be looking forward to that.

by Shi on Jun 4, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lohse

apparently did the necessary work to stay in the game…...Lets face it, the nats are a down team, and that was the predominant factor. Tony is trying to get a pitcher on the all star team. He seems to be trying to get someones record in line….....
It seemed to me that Tony pulled Albert for his protection…....... it was clear to me that he was deliberately hit, Coullume’s chin was aiming directly at his target…Albert…....in my experience that is the true tell. You can’t fake your targeting mechanism.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 4, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I dunno

Maybe it was just acting but Colome’s reaction to hitting Al didn’t seem like the usual reaction after an intentional hit batsman

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 4, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case,

I’d argue Mark Worrell was trying to hit about 40% of the empty seats in DC.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jun 4, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

After watching Worrell's delivery,

I kept thinking, “How the Hell does he do that?” I kept waiting for his arm to fly off, or for the ball to sail into one of the dugouts… That’s gotta be tough to hit… where the heck is the ball coming from?

Dunno how effective Mr. W. will be down the road, but he sure looks like a guy that could give righthanders fits!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's to hoping they don't try to turn him into a starter!

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hideki Okajima

on the Red Sox looks completely downward at the mound during his motion to the plate..

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Jun 4, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stealing bags

the main problem with this idea is that the Cards, as a team, are one of the worst base-stealing teams in the majors. We are 28th in baseball, having been successful only 2/3 of the time. It makes little sense to attempt to steal bases if we’re going to give up an out 1 out of every 3 times we try.

Kennedy’s been 4 for 5 and Skip’s 4 for 4 attempting to steal but no one else has been particularly proficient on the basepaths this season. Even Izturis, the team’s SB leader w/ 6, has been caught 3 times.

One of the things we’ve been fretting over for a month or more now is our inability to turn baserunners into runs. Losing more of them on the bases may bring our LOB down, but it’s not going to generate more runs and, in all likelihood, it will generate fewer.

by chuckb on Jun 4, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

How many failed hit n runs

have there been? Because I can’t recall many straight steals this year…

by silent_bob on Jun 4, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

but at least

it keeps us from clogging the bases ;)

by eglasier on Jun 4, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was one part of rain delay coverage I enjoyed

It was the SLU vs Cardinals game coverage. The game was a blowout, but it was interesting to see how amateurs would play against seasoned pro’s.

Prospects are good. Especially when they aren't rushed.

by CraveCase on Jun 4, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I still hate seeing the hit and run on with AP

especially when he’s down in the count then yourbest hitter is giving defensive swings to protect the plate.

I’d be opne to more steals every now and then to cut down the dp rate

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 4, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Last night's double steal

shouldn’t have worked… Ankiel almost stopped on his way to 2B, trying to draw a throw. When that throw came, Izturis got a great jump from 3B to steal home. A better defensive team (I’m looking at you, Señor Lopez) cuts off the throw to 2B and nails the guy at home.

Lopez had several horrid plays last night; on the “comebacker” by AP, he never touched second base! Barton would have been safe no matter what, and then Lopez compounded his miscue by dropping the ball, and failing to retire Albert! Lopez also failed to cover second with a man on and two out, forcing Aaron Boone to double-clutch and throw to first—Boone got his man, but he should have had an easier play at 2B!

I think where we’re much more likely to see the Cards’ improved team speed is first-to-third and first-to-home situations; the Birds lack the contact hitters to make much use of the hit-and-run, with Yadier Molina (!) one exception. Too many swings and misses from the likes of Ludwick, Ankiel, et al...

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I was shocked to discover Aaron Boone still

wearing a ML uniform. Am I that out of touch? Or are the Nats really in that much trouble?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 4, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he hasn't

been too horrible this year, and wasn’t last year. He seemed to make a couple of decent defensive plays for WAs last night

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

bret tried to come back with the nats too

but was cut in spring training.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 4, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zimmerman's on the DL

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jun 4, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as there is a DL

there will be a roster spot for Aaron Boone’s.

and yeah, he’s held his own this year as far as power numbers go. but Aaron was never the Boone with the great batting average.

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Jun 4, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

if only

Ankiel can go back to that 17 pitch AB and learn from that instead of striking out so much. that and make some of those fouls go into play

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cringe

everytime a pitcher, especially a lefty, goes up and away with Ankiel.

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Jun 4, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll learn to lay off that pitch...

I grin, on the other hand, when said anonymous pitcher doesn’t get it “up and away” enough.... “Thar she goes!!!!!”

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 4, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

double steal

Shooter Hunt, Tulane pitcher and possible Cardinals draftee, nailed a runner in that situation in the NCAA regional against Florida State Monday night:

“The Seminoles attempted a double-steal with runners on the corners and Tulane sniffed it our perfectly. Catcher Jared Dyer’s hard throw back to pitcher Shooter Hunt left Hunt with an easy toss back to Dyer, who had Tony Delmonico blocked at the plate. Instead of runners on second and third with one out, FSU had two outs and a runner on second.”

by madridbend on Jun 4, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

you may want to make other plans for this evening

Looking out my office window just a few miles from the stadium, it looks like the end of the world here in D.C. While some may applaud that fact for other reasons, it seems to make a baseball game unlikely. Severe storm watch/tornado watch/biblical plague watch in effect

by tdawg on Jun 4, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i've been looking at the radar all day

the bad stuff appears to be blowing through. there’s a few storms behind it, but that ought to all be gone before game time.

i’m still debating going, however, as i live 1½ hours away and don’t really wanna sit through another long rain delay… :\

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 4, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaaand

the end of the world has finally made it over to the eastern shore. yikes.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 4, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed

+1

Here’s to better baseball weather on the way!

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Jun 4, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diamondbacks are coming back to Earth

after their hot start. Brewers are spanking them 10-1 now.
I would bet that the Dodgers will be a busy team with trades over the next month and a half since they are right back into the hunt but yet still have some glaring holes in their line-up.

by KYCards on Jun 4, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Like SS............They need Furcal back ASAP

Chin-Lung-Hu and Luis Maza are awful with the bat!!!!!

by ICbirdfan on Jun 4, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

I hate it when it says “DL” next to their names.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Jun 4, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think TLR being loyal to the players

is putting Pujols in danger of injury? or is he truly “untouchable”?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

when I first read the under pressure

the first thing I thought of was the Rush album ‘Grace Under Pressure’. so maybe that’s the best way to describe this year’s team (that and I’m a big prog-rock fan)

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Geddy's a big baseball fan

gave 200 player-signed baseballs to the Negro League Museum not long ago. incredible gift.

by random on Jun 5, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

AP out tonight

Ryan 3B
Barton LF
Mather CF
Ludwick RF
Glaus 1B
Molina C
Miles 2B
Wellemeyer P
Izturis SS

by StLHugo on Jun 4, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I know..

How long have we been batting the pitcher 8th? WTF?

Must be still high from the Iron Madien concert.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the pitcher in the eighth spot.

why hate on that, of all the ridiculous things tony does??

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Jun 4, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

sarcasm

for the same reason you gave.

by Evilfrog on Jun 4, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

I’ve always thought he seemed a bit stoney

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just looks odd!

Glauss at 1B…......hummmmm
Mather in CF…..hummmmm, wonder why Ludwick is not in CF?

by ICbirdfan on Jun 4, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of

a half day off for Glaus, too.

Guess Tony’s counting on Welly striking out a ton of batters today.

by liam on Jun 4, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

My crystal ball is a little hazy

...but I foresee a 6-2 Cardinals triumph. Colonel Wellemeyer pitches the Cards to 11 games over. Glaus hits like AP with a homer and a double.

by indakind on Jun 4, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

it must be hazy because of the rain

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 4, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols out tomorrow too

Official sight says Pujols will be out tomorrow as well.

by indakind on Jun 4, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

huh

must’ve really strained that calf

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real story here is Ankiel

Tony is looking for away to keep him from burning down….......told ya so

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 4, 2008 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Per Bernie

Ankiel’s being treated for an infection from the scabbing caused from his diving catch recently.

Take that for what it’s worth, especially with Cardinals and injuries being in the same sentence.

by Cardinal70 on Jun 4, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

who do I want them to draft?

Hicks, who do I think they will draft? I think they are going to surprise me and go for Hicks too.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 4, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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