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tony has left wainwright out on a limb a few times already this year and got away with it, but sooner or later it was bound to cost him; only a matter of time. the times that it worked:

  • april 16: at the 113-pitch mark (in only his 3d start of the year) and 20 pitches into the 8th inning, wainwright stays in to face ryan braun with 2 on, 1 out, and a 3-run lead. adam jams him and gets the second out, then departs for flores, who retires prince fielder; cards win it, 5-4.
  • april 21: at the 97-pitch mark, wainwright stays in to face jj hardy with 2 on, 2 out in the bottom of the 7th in a tie game. he gets hardy on a grounder to short; cards win the game 4-3.
  • april 26: the infamous 126-pitch game. wainer starts the 9th inning of a tie game with 101 pitches already under his belt, then labors through a 25-pitch inning that features 2 walks and 4 3-ball counts. with 2 on and 2 out, he strikes out hunter pence to end the threat. cards win it in the bottom of the inning on a walkoff single.

all those games followed the same pattern as last night’s --- wainwright begins to labor, loses command, starts breaking off his curve into the dirt, and walks a couple of men. until last night, he always managed to muster the reserves to get himself off the hook.

those successes propelled wainwright into the role of designated pitching-staff hero --- the "ace" whose responsibilities include not only throwing lots of innings but also inspiring the clubhouse with mental toughness and gut-check performances. most la russa teams have a pitcher thusly assigned --- dave stewart back in the oakland days, and (in succession) andy benes, darryl kile, matt morris, chris carpenter, and adam wainwright for the cardinals. la russa likes to have a guy in whom he can place complete faith, a guy he can entrust a game, a team, a season to. sometimes this hero-hurler simply shows up on the roster (e.g., in the cases of benes and kile); sometimes la russa has to manufacture him.

i’m only half-joking here; tony undeniably has a romantic streak when it comes to starting pitchers. but in truth, i don’t think that’s what tripped tony up last night --- not necessarily. there was a very rational case for letting wainwright pitch to michaels with the sacks jammed and 2 out in the 7th; indeed, i think that decision was less ill-advised than the three situations bullet-pointed above. wainwright’s pitch count wasn’t high last night --- the gopher ball to michaels was only #85 on the game --- and he still had plenty of life on his fastball, which was consistently in the low 90s throughout the inning. the pirates hadn’t made good contact all evening; the man was working on a 3-hit shutout. sure he’d lost his feel for the strike zone for a few batters, but he’s demonstrated the ability to steady himself. i for one did not see the grand slam coming.

and why would i? prior to michaels’ homer, wainwright hadn’t allowed a single homer all season with men on base; all 8 of his previous gopher balls had been solo shots. and wainer had never, ever given up a grand slam in the big leagues. indeed, in his 38 career bases-loaded confrontations, he’d only give up two extra-base hits. i just can’t fault la russa for trusting wainwright in that situation. you or i might have played it differently, but that doesn’t mean tony’s play was irrational and/or indefensible. there were logical reasons to give wainwright one more batter. the guy just didn’t come through this time.

notice that i said "one more batter" . . . . . perhaps tony had a logical case to leave wainwright in for the michaels at-bat, but sending him back out for the 8th inning was the work of the romantic, hero-seeking tony. adam had pretty much abandoned his curveball by then --- he only threw it twice in the 7th and twice in the 8th, never for a strike --- and he couldn’t get the slider over either. he was almost down to one pitch: 20 of his last 28 offerings (not counting the pitchout) were fastballs --- this from a guy who normally only throws fastballs 53 percent of the time. he was trying to get by on sheer competitiveness. tony loves to see his heroes do that; do you think there's a pinch of wish-fulfillment involved? after all, competitiveness was the only asset la russa had as a player; it'd be nice to think that one could succeed on that alone. . . . . . i guess sometimes you can. but when it backfires, you end up with a loss that seems like it should have been avoidable . . . .

that was only the 4th time this year that the cardinals have lost when scoring 4 or more runs.

* * * * * * * * *

here’s a quick word about the other pitching-staff hero, todd wellemeyer, who was named the nl pitcher of the month for may. surprisingly, no st louis pitcher has won this award since september 2001, when woody williams (then in his second month with the team) took the honor. and The Colonel is only the 5th stl starting pitcher ever to win the award, which dates back to 1975; the others are woody, john tudor, joaquin andujar, and --- this last one has me slightly worried --- garrett stephenson, who posted a 5-0, 1.42 record the month he won the award (may 2000) but went 8-9, 4.86 in the remaining 4 months of that season. fortunately, stephenson is the exception; baseball-alamanc.com’s got a complete list of the winners, and very few of them are outright flukes. you’ve really got to be good to win this thing; indeed, stephenson's one of the worst pitchers ever to win the award. wellemeyer’s such an unexpected winner (or even candidate) for this award that you can’t help wondering whether he will go the way of stephenson, but i don’t think it’s gonna happen. he’s not the same type of pitcher. this award should add to our confidence that wellemeyer's improvement is real and sustainable.

notes from the minor leagues:

  • fernando salas struck out the side again at double A to preserve springfield’s win. his current strikeout rate is 15.6 men per 9 innings; his hits per 9 is 1/3 of that, 5.0 per 9.
  • the palm beach closer, francisco samuel, also struck out the side --- and also maintains a 3-to-1 strikeouts-to-hits ratio. his k/9 for the season (across two levels) stands at 13.7 after last night’s contest . . . .
  • pete kozma went 3 for 4 with a double and a triple to arrest a precipitous slide --- he was 4 for his previous 36 with 0 xbh and 0 rbi. in the same game, nick addition threw 5 no-hit innings for the win.
  • rough outing for jason motte --- he gave up 4 runs in 2 innings and took the loss. he’s been getting the crap beat out of him lately --- an 8.71 era in his last 10 outings (10.1 innings). he’s still striking out gobs of hitters --- 19 ks during that span, which averages out to 16.5 men per 9 --- but he’s also walking a ton of people (8 bbs in the 10 innings), which presumably leads to a lot of hitters counts and, in turn, a lot of base hits --- he has given up nearly 2 hits an inning during this rough patch.

i’m headed out of town tomorrow, won’t be back until sunday. i’ve been promised that high-speed WiFi awaits at my destination, which is remote; if i can’t get a signal, guess i’ll see ya next week. . . . .

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Very rational look at the whole situation, lb.

I didn’t think leaving WW in with the bases loaded seemed nearly as dangerous as the three instances you outlined. Like you said, his pitch count was low, plus he had a four run cushion. At the time, I was recalling the strikeout of Pence and I thought he could pull it off once again. He did recover and get Gomez to weakly ground out on two pitches after the slam. The part that I found unbelievable was Tony sending Adam out again for the eighth. Guess you were right about the hero-seeking side of TLR coming into play at that point.

On a brighter note, I would like to add my congrats to the Colonel on being named NL pitcher of the month for May. Very cool indeed.

Will this team ever get 11 games over .500 this year? We have been on the brink three times so far, it has to happen some time, right?

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2008 8:26 AM EDT   0 recs

I think if anything

seeing TLR leave Wainwright in for the 8th also shows that he’s not confident with the bullpen. plus he probably thought it was going to go into extra innings.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2008 2:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why can't we...

(1) Win a four-game series;

(2) Stay 10 games above .500; and

(3) Finish off a lesser team after jumping out to a 4+ run early lead?

My cap is off to The Colonel, who is quickly becoming a favorite. Hopefully he doesn’t turn me into Gus Gus. Surely I’m not the only one who has gone from “Geez, Wellemeyer is pitching. Lets see if he can throw 105 pitches in over 5 innings for once.” to “Thank goodness Wellemeyer is pitching. We have a shot to win tonight.” Are the “Colonel” t-shirts in the offing with an army colonel insignia on the sleeve, or, the Kentuck Colonels emblem?

by bgh on Jun 3, 2008 9:08 AM EDT   0 recs

i think

it needs to be this

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Quick ripoff

Some call it a waste of time, others, an incredible waste of time.
colonel

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Jun 3, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice work!

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jun 4, 2008 1:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would have left wainwright in too.

Some of those balls could have been strikes…

With a good jump Skippy catches that Double in the 8th…

That weak grounder that beat the shift was a joke…

Really the only bad AB was the grand slam. It’s hard to swallow but it happened. Reminds me of that game last year that was 1-0 and wainwright had pitched a 1 hitter coming into the 9th. Only to give up a 2 run homer.

And yeah, what happened to the offense after the 3rd?

by Evilfrog on Jun 3, 2008 9:16 AM EDT   0 recs

okay...

Im going to go cry somewhere now.

by Evilfrog on Jun 3, 2008 9:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A lot of the things you describe

point to leaving Wainwright in when he’s tired. I don’t like that.

by sdrone on Jun 3, 2008 9:31 AM EDT   0 recs

in case i was unclear about this

i completely agree with you — they should not make a habit of leaving wainwright in when he’s tired. as i argued in this post, it’s a sure-fire way to get the guy hurt.

but i don’t think wainer was in the danger zone last night, as of the michaels at-bat - only at 85 pitches, and still throwing hard. i don’t think he was exposed to any harm by staying in for the rest of that inning. the 8th inning? i would have taken him out . . . .

by lboros on Jun 3, 2008 9:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

history has proven

you guys to be correct.

Throwing when fatigued, especially after 120+ pitches, is strongly correlated with arm injuries in major league pitchers.

Blech. Tony and his favorites…very well-put today, Larry.

by silent_bob on Jun 3, 2008 10:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

disagree

i realize that numerically waino should have been ok, but like all of us we don’t have the same energy and performance level every time we run, play golf, whatever. it was clear (at least to me) that he reached some kind of threshold in the sixth. his body language was unmistakable. now if tony needs a hero (and i think he does) you can risk the win trying to prove a point with an individual, but waino isn’t dave stewart now and may never be. sometimes you have to quit pounding the round peg in the square hole and have a reality check. the body language message along with the two walks and the overall risk of the situation, i’d have pulled him no doubt. if i was mo, i’d be disappointed that my manager wasn’t managing to win the game as his first priority, which i think is true.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 3, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the frustrating thing was that he was still making good pitches, even in the 8th.

The question of tiredness is definitely forefront. He seemed to hit a wall and his command deserted him, especially on his offspeed stuff, like you say. But he was still able to come back from a bad pitch and make a good or even great pitch. His last pitch in the 8th to finish the inning was a beauty.

Obviously, TLR was hoping the offense could rebound and get him the win, even after we fell down by a run. And just as obviously, he might be tempting fate by hanging a young pitcher out there when he appears gassed.

However, doesn’t this injury correlation also strongly relate to a guy trying to rear back and throw with “max effort” when he’s tired? Or is this just anecdotal? Just wondering if anyone thought Wainwright was actually laboring through his delivery, and overthrowing, or if he was just missing spots.

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Jun 3, 2008 11:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but he was laboring

watching the game, i thought his velocity on his fastball was dropping but it actually wasn’t. it just looked like it to me because you could tell he was scuffling. there was no reason to draw a line in the sand during last night’s game. there was more potential harm than gain in imploding against the lowly pirates on the 2nd day of june.

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Jun 3, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was surprised to see Wainwright come out for the 8th but...

what happened could have and probably would have happened to anybody we threw out there. I am more disturbed by the pattern that has been developing for about a month of the Cards jumping out early and scoring three or four runs and just playing dead through the middle innings while the other team pecks away and them drops the coup de grace about the 7th or 8 th inning. I blame the offense for this loss.

Seems like 4 early runs is a bad omen lately for some reason. I kind’a expected it somehow.

by ridgesee on Jun 3, 2008 10:06 AM EDT   0 recs

I tried to say taht last night in the game thread........

Good teams continue to add a runs aka….. the Cubs last night just kept adding runs and won 7-6, they were not content going up 4-3…..

I really enjoy how well the Cards have done at scoring early this year but it seems they can not add on runs….I don’t know what happens but they seem to go in cruise control…

Pitt is a BAD team and Gorzellany is a BAD pitcher. The birds needed to add on against him and did not. I think the offense needs to have more of a killer instinct.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 3, 2008 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I also blame the offense. it has been flat like last year, but shows signs of promise at times. The only thing the Pirates have got going for them is some decent hitters, so how can you score 4 runs in three innings then call it a day? these guys need to keep piling on the offense, rather than getting off to a good start then waiting to see if the pitching will put the other team away for them.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly correct, sir!

It is definitely a noticeable trend this year that the team scores early and then gets blanked. I wonder what % of the losses thus far were in games we led by 2 or more runs at some point (particularly after about three innings).

What happened to Glaus’s (Glaus’?) hot bat last night?

by cardzfanbub on Jun 3, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Clean-Up

I don’t like Glaus in the four-spot. I don’t understand why Tony put him there last night.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jun 3, 2008 11:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

agree it is a pattern

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 3, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Time to Sweep the Nats!!!

Going to the game tonight. I’ve been looking forward to this since they announced the schedule. It’s only my second time in the new Nationals’ Ball Park.

I’m excited that we’re facing two lefties in a row. I’m liking our right-handed line-up these days, and I’m predicting a good deal of offense. The Nat’s pitching just is not good, especially the relief corps.

On the other hand, I’m a little worried about Parisi on Thursday. But we’re gonna need a sweep if the Cubs simply refuse to ever lose another game.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jun 3, 2008 11:03 AM EDT   0 recs

parisi worries

agree parisi merits some worries, but my guess was that he would run out of steam or deception in mid innings rather than start out a mess. will be interesting to see how it starts. personally, think he will bounce back, but not make it very deep.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 3, 2008 11:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Past pitching heroes

I would add Alan Benes to the list of past heroes that TLR/Dunc have expected too much from. In 1997, Benes’ age 25 season, he threw 100+ pitches in every start from April 13th to July 10th before his arm fell off in the next start. He was over 120 five times including three of the last four starts before becoming injured. I don’t know much about Dave Stewart, but Matt Morris and Chris Carpenter ended up going under the knife as well.

I don’t think velocity is a good indicator of when a pitcher gets tired – location is. I think the low inside fastball that led to the grand slam had to be a mistake. Plus, it has already been mentioned that he lost command of his breaking stuff. When a pitcher begins to lose command of his pitches, like Wainer did last night, it is time for reinforcements. It is great for a pitcher to have a big heart, but that doesn’t change the size of his ulnar collateral ligament and all those tiny muscles that make up the rotator cuff.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jun 3, 2008 11:34 AM EDT   0 recs

everything you said is very true

and I have often wondered, since pitching is about 75% of the game, why is it that over the years there haven’t been many pitchers become managers. There haven’t been many, Fred Hutchinson, Herman Franks come to mind and I liked both. Also I don’t favor anything but ex pitchers as pitching coaches, make catchers bullpen or dugout coaches.

by ridgesee on Jun 3, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I nominate Brian Bannister for a career as a manager when he's through playing.

The Padres Bud Black was a pitcher way back when…now if they’d only give him a team…..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 on Banny

although he might be smart enough to stay away from it…

"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on Jun 3, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what about britt burns?

Brandon Backe,
Brian barkley,
Blaine Beatty,
Bob Blyalock,
Bert Blyleven,
Brian Boehringer,
Boof Bonser,
Bob Botz,
Brian Bowles,
Bob Bowman,
Blaine Bayer,
Bert Bradley,
Bill Bray,
Billy Brewer,
Brad Brink,
Bruce Brubaker,
Bob Bruce,
Bob Buchanon,
Billy buckner,
Brian Bullington,
Bill Burbach,
Brian Burrows,
Bill Butler or
Bud Byersly

by baked mcbride on Jun 3, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow....

just, wow…

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 3, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree about pitching coaches

i have never met a pitcher that didnt think he could get anybody out no matter if he has thrown 10 pitches or 150 pitches, so i think pitchers have more faith in other pitchers. they might not see the signs of someone getting tired that a catcher would see since he watches every pitcher all game long. plus i think catchers are better about planning against hitters since they are hitters too…of course this isnt always the case for either species…

"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on Jun 3, 2008 12:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Hall of Fame

has one manager who was a former pitcher – Tom Lasorda.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Jun 3, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How did I forget Lasorda

He pitched semi-pro ball for my home town way back in 1947 when he was in the Army and stationed at Fort Jackson, SC. He had a big over hand curveball like Wainwright and we didn’t know any better and we called it a DROP. All us kids tried to throw it. He married a girl from my home town in fact.

by ridgesee on Jun 3, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pitch names

I enjoy your comments, Ridgesee. As a kid in the ‘70s, I often heard a 12-to-6 curve thrown overhand called a drop. I think it’s a descriptive and useful name. You may remember Mike Witt had a beautiful curveball early in his career, but it gradually moved from drop to roundhouse to slurve.

Wainwright’s curve is thrown from 3/4 and moves right several inches. I would say it approaches a roundhouse, except the break down is so abrupt. Not sure I can call it a drop either, though. Maybe Darryl Kile’s is still too fresh in my mind.

I loved Quisenberry’s curve: that thing looked like it broke UP. Got no name for that one.

by random on Jun 3, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Guys with injury histories

Isn’t that even more reason not to ride them hard? In 2006, he threw over 100 pitches in 22 of his 32 starts, including the last nine in a row with 122 in his final regular season start. In the NLDS, he went six innnings in his first start (no pitch counts available), followed by seven innnings on three days rest. In the NLCS he was ineffective through five innings, followed by another six inning start. In the WS, he went 8+ innings in his only appearance. So, that’s 241.2 innnings in 2005, followed by 253 innings in 2006. We all know what happened in 2007.

Now I am not necessarily alleging abuse here, but it does buttress the argument that the hero pitchers break down after getting the hero treatment. It isn’t like his surgically repaired shoulder broke down, it was his elbow.

The real point here is that pitchers are routinely asked to pitch past their point of diminishing marginal returns. Once location starts to falter it is best to get somebody else ready. Pitches in bad locations go over the wall. Besides, Wainwright’s opponents have hit .306/.366/.611/.977 against him this year in the seventh inning. Perhaps he is showing signs of last year’s career high innnings. Or maybe the bullpen is letting all the inherited runners score.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jun 3, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do agree there is no point in being just blatantly abbusive.....

The reason I don’t really ever talk about Carp is his shoulder was hurt, well he may have over compensated over the years and put more strain on his elbow simply because his shoulder was not like it used to be….

I guess my question is are we always going to just put an 80 pitch count on Adam because of fear of injury?

Heck the Cubs just had Zambrano throw 130 pitches and then 95 pitches in back to back games. We can see what happens to him but if you have a horse ride him, don’t just kill him but you have a horse to ride not look at…... No one is going to destroy Wainer if he is going to break down he will break down reguardless of if you throw him 110 pitches or 80 pitches a game..

It’s just a hard thing to regulate as far as I am concerned.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 3, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would agree that pitch count is not a reliable guide,

my who point is you have to look for a loss of command when deciding if a pitcher is tired. That could be at 80 pitches or 120. I do think that ignoring physical indications and pushing for “mental toughnes” out of pitchers is a recipe for the DL

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jun 3, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

it’s not as if that 98 mph fastballs aren’t clobbered, unless they go to the right place. the reaction time variation between 90 and 98 over 60 feet is so small, its speed doesn’t carry the day. it location and change of speeds that can keep the hitters off balance, e.g., motte.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 3, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he loses control, walks batters, then gives up a grand slam

btw, does IC stand for iowa city? i grew up in muscatine.

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Jun 3, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wainer

Yes he was struggling but sometimes the better pitchers might walk a guy or two late in the game and then refind their release point…. His pitch count was not terribly high and as LB pointed out his velocity was still pretty good. Believe me anytime you get later in the game and a pitcher starts to lose it I worry, but I guess Wainer has earned the right to struggle with a batter per previous history…

It’s kind of a dambed if you do/don’t thing….

If he takes Wainer out with a low pitch count and a reliver screws up a lot of people bitch. I guess TLR went with his gut and you have to tip your cap to Michaels for hitting the pitch out….

Yes IC is Iowa City.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 3, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sadly, this is also how I feel

Wainer cruised through 5, got through the 6th without too much trouble, and then really started scuffling. But his pitch count was paltry.

It was clear he was fighting it, but who do you trust more? Wainwright…or our bullpen? I was quite literally 50/50 when there were 2 on in the 7th. It was a pretty tough call, and Tony made the “easier” play by staying with his ace out there rather than risking the BP. Obviously, we got burned, but as Larry pointed out, that play had always worked for him before.

Tough loss.

Hopefully, they can regroup in DC.

As for the Cubs, um…wth? Can ANYONE beat them this year? I know they’re good, but c’mon…no one’s THIS good. They’re overdue for a few tough losses.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jun 3, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

His walks.

Were close to strike outs. He had 2 walks the whole game. I’ve seen Wainwright pitch a worse second inning that that 7th inning. His only had 2 hits at that point in the game. I don’t think he was phyiscally tired. Might have been thinking about his gem slipping away. I just think it looked more like a menital thing than a physical thing.

by Evilfrog on Jun 3, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Location of the GS

I hate to say it, but unless Molina was falsely set-up to try and prevent the batter from getting the location from one of the runners, the pitch looked like it was heading right for the called location…
Of course I only got to watch the replay on the tiny game-day screen, but it certainly didn’t look like WW missed the location on the key pitch…
Now the OTHER pitches in that inning…. well, they were kind of starting to fly all over the place.

by duncans_army on Jun 3, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who's excited about...

Clements first rehab start tonight?!

by longhornscardinals on Jun 3, 2008 11:38 AM EDT   0 recs

who is this clement you speak of

and why does it sound familiar?

"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on Jun 3, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he is talking about that guy that played for the Pirates in the 60's.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You mentioned that all of his homeruns before last night were solo shots

Well, one of the things I thought of is that Adam pitches from the windup when the bases are loaded, just as he (obviously) pitches from the windup when they are empty. I wonder if there’s anything about him pitching from the windup that makes him more susceptible to giving up XBH?

So, I went through all of his gamelogs and found that 25 of his XBHs have come when he’s in the windup and only 5 when he’s in the stretch. I defined him being in the windup anytime all of the runners on base are advanced as far as they can without being home (meaning either a runner on 3rd, runners on 2nd and 3rd, or the bases loaded). Of course, since his WHIP is 1.062, he doesn’t allow too many baserunners, and thus pitches a majority of his ABs from the windup. I don’t have the time or the energy to calculate a % of his ABs from the stretch vs. windup, but I’d imagine that’s one reason for the high ratio. However, a 5:1 windup:stretch ratio speaks volumes to this.

Anyone have any idea why this may be?

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 3, 2008 12:55 PM EDT   0 recs

interesting insight

i have no idea what the cause might be. it’s also possible that he pitches less fine with the bases empty, focuses on throwing strikes and getting ahead of hitters while knowing that the worst-case scenario is a solo shot. when the cost of a homer / xbh goes up, perhaps he alters his repertoire or his location.

still, this seems like a worthwhile study for somebody with the time / computing power.

by lboros on Jun 3, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take a look at it when I get home tonight

See if I can come up with something a little more in-depth.

Adam Wainwright is basically the anti-Anthony Reyes

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 3, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a good thing.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 3, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like to think that most good pitchers...

do as you described. Go right after a guy “mano y mano” when it’s a low-leverage at bat (thus keeping their pitchcounts down), and try to be more fine in higher-leverage situations. It’s probably all in a guy’s ego and how important strikeout totals are to him…Wainwright could probably rack up better K numbers than he does, but prefers to pitch to contact and buckle down when need be.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 3, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW lb

All this talk about heroes in this post has David Bowie stuck in my head

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 3, 2008 1:23 PM EDT   0 recs

It's been a David Bowie Week

Here at VEB! And now we’re off to Suffragette City.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jun 3, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

do you remember

your president nixon?

do you remember the bills you have to pay?

by lboros on Jun 3, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess you could call all the rookies who have made their MLB debut with the Cards this year

The Young Americans

And yes, I checked, and all of them are Americans

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All Americans

Well that means our foreign scouting program is really doing it’s job.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Jun 3, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, then

I think I’ll go Dancin’ in the Street…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fame

Thats what all the rookies are trying for

by Ray Lankford on Jun 3, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs