First half diagnosis
I missed the first part of the game and I guess he started out a little shaky – pitching around 3 BB’s in the first 2 IP. After that, though, he really settled down before finally running out of gas in the 7th. 55 of his 96 pitches were for strikes – not great, but not terrible – about 57% of his pitches were for strikes, the same percentage he’s had over his previous outings. However, once he settled down, he became much more effective w/ his pitches. In innings 3-6, he threw 54 pitches, 34 of which were for strikes (63%). He also struck out 6 batters in his 6+ innings. Up to this point, he had 4 major-league K’s TOTAL. In his first 3 starts + 1 relief outing, he had only been able to get a total of 9 swing-and-misses from major league hitters. Last night, he got 8 swing-and-misses.
He’s still not ready for the big leagues, and he’ll still take some lumps while he’s up here, but with every start I’m getting more and more comfortable with the notion that he’s going to be able to hold down the fort for a while. While Wainwright is on the mend, we need Boggs (or…gulp – Mulder) to keep the team in the game, and keep the pen from being destroyed. Boggs won’t be the savior, but I think he’ll be ok until the wagonmaker gets back.
That’s important b/c there’s been quite a bit of discussion of late on what the team should do as the trade deadline approaches in order to stay competitive and try to make it to the playoffs w/o mortgaging the solid (and outstanding) prospects who are approaching major-league readiness. With just over half a season in the bag, it’s becoming apparent that the NL Central is going to be a 3 team race. Right now the Cards have the 2nd best record in the NL, so the Wild Card is a very real possibility as well. Baseball prospectus has our odds of making the playoffs at about 35.5% -- 3rd highest in the NL. Unfortunately, it likes the Brewers chances slightly better than ours which, if that comes to fruition along w/ the Cubs 92% likelihood, would leave us on the outside looking in. Nevertheless, though many if not most of us thought the Cards’ chances of making the postseason unlikely at the beginning of the season, it now seems as though our odds are as good as just about anybody’s.
Since we are halfway through the season, I wanted to take a look at where we stand in comparison w/ our primary competitors to help us decide which holes are most in need of patching down the stretch. LB’s post on Thursday dealt with the possibility of the team pursuing a starting pitcher via trade. Many of us expressed some skepticism that starting pitcher was the area in which we are most needy and I tended to agree then, and do more so now. Here’s why:
Here’s how we compare with the Cubs and Brewers over the first half of the season. Def Eff is team defensive efficiency as measured by the Hardball Times. BP’s measurement isn’t very different, if you prefer theirs.
| R/G | ERA -- starters | ERA -- bullpen | Def Eff | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cubs | 5.46 | 4.08 | 3.44 | .707 |
| Cards | 4.62 | 4.01 | 4.29 | .705 |
| Brewers | 4.54 | 4.14 | 4.10 | .700 |
Now, many of you aren’t going to believe that the Cubs defense is the best in the division but, as I said, BP’s isn’t much different. Both measures have them in the top 5 in baseball in terms of their defense. Yes, it’s been slightly better than ours. As for their offense, it’s been much better than ours and much better than just about everybody’s. There’s little question of its potency. And their team ERA is more than a run and a half LOWER than their offensive production. If they keep that up, they won’t be caught and we’re playing for the Wild Card. There’s no shame in that. Perhaps playing the Cards another 12 times will bring them back to earth slightly but it’s safe to say that their success in the first half has been no fluke. Dammit!
As for the Cards, it’s pretty clear to me which part of our team has struggled the most. Our starting rotation has been the best in the division – Cubs included. Now I realize that Wainwright’s going to miss another month or so, but w/ Wellemeyer, Pineiro, Looper, Lohse, and Boggs, are we really in need of another starter? Particularly one along the lines of Jarrod Washburn, Vicente Padilla, or (God help us) Miguel Batista? Wellemeyer’s elbow’s a little scary but, if he and Boggs are the two biggest question marks as we approach the trade deadline, judging by his start Thursday and Boggs’ start yesterday, I’m feeling OK about our chance to keep pace. And, yes, Kennedy’s terrible and Duncan’s been awful. It’s reasonable to wonder whether or not Ludwick and Schumaker are going to be as good in the 2nd half as they’ve been in the first half. Still, in looking at those numbers, the one thing that jumps out is how high the team’s bullpen ERA is. Our bullpen ERA is 14th in the NL and 25th in baseball. It seems to me that it’s our pen that will be more likely to keep us from making the playoffs than our rotation or 2nd base or Chris Duncan.
I’m not going to run through the litany of possibilities here but it’s pretty obvious, also, that our right-side in the pen isn’t too shabby. We’ve got Springer, Perez, McClellan all setting up for Franklin or, best case scenario, Izzy pitches much better and we have the first 4 righties setting up for Izzy. It’s the left side that’s the problem. So I’ll just throw out a couple of suggestions here.
First – Jaime Garcia. Many of you have gone on record as saying "he’s not ready!" He does, after all, only have a grand total of 59.1 innings at AAA. However, he’s averaging 7.9 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, .76 HR/9, and he’s left-handed. The organization is going to want to limit the innings he throws this season anyway since he did experience some minor elbow problems at the end of the ’07 season. Right now he’s at 94.1IP between Springfield and Memphis. Another 5 starts at Memphis gets him to about 130 IP. It’ll be just after the All-Star break and the club could call him up, put him in the bullpen and have him get 25 or so bullpen innings down the stretch for the big club. This gets him to between 150-160 IP on the season, assuming we don’t make the playoffs. If we do, he throws another 10-15 in postseason and is able to help the club w/o overdoing it.
Will he help the club? Almost certainly. Does anyone here really believe he won’t be better than Randy Flores? Is there anyone here who has a lot of faith in Randy’s brother Ron? I don’t know how good Garcia would be out of our pen, but he’ll certainly be better than what we’ve got, and we’re going to have to either shut him down or put him in the pen anyway to limit his innings. The point is that we’ve got a ready-made solution and we wouldn’t have to give up anyone in order to do it. Some have pointed out that he’s not on the 40 man roster. That’s an easy problem to solve also as it could be solved by the release of Flores, Jimenez, Rico Washington, Mulder, or Clement, for example. The limited number of innings Garcia would throw wouldn’t prevent him from being under the club’s control for 6 more years beyond this one. In short, the club has nothing to lose in trying him.
Another possibility is this guy should the Dodgers fall out of the race. I’m not sure that they will but he’s as viable an option as Derek Lowe is for our rotation. He’s left-handed, strikes out about 5.5 per 9 IP, walks just over 3 per 9 IP, gets ground balls about 56% of the time, and has given up just one homerun in his last 112 IP. Oh yeah, he’s also a free agent at the end of the year so the Dodgers don’t have a huge reason NOT to trade him, if they decide they’re going to be sellers. A lot of people have tossed around names like Damaso Marte and Brian Fuentes, but let’s not forget about this guy. He would be an immediate lift to our pen.
Down on the farm, Clayton Mortensen had a good outing – 6 IP, 1 ER, 2 BB, 3 K and you know who is still en fuego. How’s 19 for his last 39 PA’s sound? It wouldn’t be unreasonable to consider trading Ludwick or Ankiel rather than Mortensen or Anderson down the stretch, as long as we got someone in return who could help us beyond this year.
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excellent point on Garcia
that was a very convincing argument to bring up Garcia into the left side of the ‘pen. perfect opportunity to get him some major league innings and see what he can do. it’s not like we haven’t done this before either with Wainwright and others. that said, if there is some trading to be done, when will it happen?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 3:16 AM EDT reply actions
agree pretty much all around
also, we do already have Mulder over Flores as a lefty in the pen. I know he’s iffy at best, but we are yet to see if he will be effective there, so that is at least one more option before Garcia. Also, as others have mentioned previously, Villone has been pretty good against lefties (close to .200 batting average against, if I recall correctly). So, if used only against lefties (as should be the case), he is not a terrible option. This gives us 3 (potentially) viable in house options from the left hand side of the bullpen. I would at least explore Mulder and Garcia before looking to make any trade.
With the bullpen being the weakest link on this team, I really believe that it could be patched effectively enough with some combination of Motte, Salas, Todd, Mulder, Garcia, and Mortensen. Obviously, some of these guys are more ready than others, but all could be tried and possibly contribute at one point or another if the need arose.
I’m extremely high on this team in general, if the bullpen can be fixed by the above means, and Luddy can get back on track (my personal opinion is that the pressure to carry the lineup in Albert’s absence crushed him mentally, and he will resurrect quickly) this team should challenge strongly for the wildcard and to a lesser degree the division. Throw in a trade for a stud at second or short and this is a very good team that could do anything come October.
Crap…I sound like a giddy optimist, don’t I?
by MotherTruckinSteve on Jun 29, 2008 5:14 AM EDT reply actions
I think Skip might be...
the best trading chip of any of the outfielders.
Given his slump, I doubt anyone would touch Ludwick. He has to prove he just didn’t have a lucky streak, a la Joe McEwing or Bo Hart.
Ankiel is another case where I doubt another team would take him. Too much baggage, too much streakiness.
While I’m still not a fan of the guy (though I thought he’s hit .around, 300 this year) Skip has improved his game both in terms of OBP and power (he might hit 12-15 home runs this year). His defense is horrible, but he looks good while doing it, so might fool GMs like it has fooled many fans (but not the fielding stats). He’s streaky, but not as bad as Ludwick or Ankiel, 2-3 bad games at most, then 2-3 hot games. I can see a team needing one more OFer trading for him.
Start Ludwick
has everybody gone crazy??
you don’t think anyone would take a cf w/ gold glove defense who is on pace to hit 30 home runs?
also, re: the rasmus sighting at the end of today’s post, i don’t think its a great idea to bring him up in the middle of a contested season with his history of starting slow.
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by themanthemyth on Jun 29, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
can anyone actually prove the slow starting is a pattern?
I can’t find splits for his individual months at every stop but I think this is as much perpetuated by us as its by reality.
Hmm -- no month by month splits, but it wasn't us who invented it.
Derek Goold is the one to blame here. He published a few articles on the topic.
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/04/aftershocks-bartons-arm-rasmus-start/
“One of the reasons the Cardinals considered Colby Rasmus as a candidate to bypass Triple-A completely and begin this in the majors is how he’s responded to slow starts. Rasmus is gifted enough in the field that his glove can keep him in a lineup when his bat is slumping. Sure. But there’s more to it. The Cardinals figured Rasmus would struggled in his first swing at the majors, but they relied on a track record of recovering quickly and surging after early scuffles at every level.”
I know I’ve seen him mention it in the blog other than just here.
especially when we know he didn't struggle in
atmosphere’s like Team USA where a slow start would have been his entire tenure with that team.
I don't have the splits either.....
But if you’ve followed him closely, you know this to be true. Not just slow starts, meaning .250’s or so, but slow meaning down around .200 for quite some time, before pulling out of it. Has happened at every single stop along the way.
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 29, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It has not happened at every single stop along the way
It happened in QC, Springfield, and Memphis
It did not happen in the Johnson City, Palm Beach, or the Arizona Fall League.
He is worth the risk, we have players on this team that have stayed in slumps for far longer than Colby ever has.
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, it looks like he slumped a little in Palm Beach
BP said that the jump to PB resulted in a casualty in the power numbers, which comes with the territory in the FSL. It said he compensated with increased plate discipline. That is a wash in my book.
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Who has slumped like Rasmus?
Who on the ML roster, that is anything more than a place-holder, has slumped at around .200 for 6-8 weeks?
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 29, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Kennedy since May 8th has hit .222 .263 .287
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Ankiel May 18th-June 22nd: .185 .232 .446
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
how do you find those streaks
I have one to add after I figure out streaks
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
go to the stats section on stlcardinals.com
allow you to sort and compare
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
now that’s downright horrendous
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ludwick since May 24th: .214 .282 .376
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Pujols hit .143 .333 .333 between June 1-June 8
I kid I kid. Dude is a freak as that’s the worst slump I can come up with.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
that's how he dipped down to a lowly .350
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
TRADE HIM!!!
his value will never be higher
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Duncan since April 19
.203 .290 ..275
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
can we not call that a streak now?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
do you know why he slumped like that
because by all accounts it had nothing to do with how he was swinging the bat and his fielding was unaffected.
I do follow him closely
very closely and I think the slow starter thing is over-hyped and under-proved.
Can we go back to the Ludwick comment
he’s been up a full year now, he’s played in 194 games:
555 ABs
30 HRs
33 2Bs
108 RBIs
.874 OPS
Comparing him to Joe McEwing and Bo Hart doesn’t jive.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously no one was looked at Garcia's from the left side
I kept saying the SAME thing OVER and over again. Garcia is showing very bad reverse splits against lefties.

I know you are all going to say it is too small of a sample. But 14.2 IP should be enough innings to show some kind of decent outing vs lefties. Let alone being a lefty guy out of bullpen.
The simple fact he is getting worst since I last posted his splits

until someone shows me his 2007 splits and proves me otherwise I am sticking to my gun that Garcia needs more time.
It is a small sample size
And besides that, his K-BB ratio against lefties is 14-5, which is better than it is against righties. I can’t find his splits before this year, but his PECOTA page predicts a perfectly normal platoon advantage for him, which takes previous split data into account.
by mikedallas45 on Jun 29, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
ERA isn't the most reliable stat either
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I've looked at them
and don’t care 1 bit about 14.2 IP. Anything could happen in such a small sample.
I think
I think it is enough of an indicator to not take a chance right now when better options are available. Flores is infective and Villone is decent on the left side. So keep VIlone strictly for her Lefties. Than replace Mulder with Flores as longer relief lefty. I predict this will be the next roster move made.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
How is Mulder conclusively a better option right now?
Garcia has actually gotten hitters out in AAA this year, Mulder has not.
by mikedallas45 on Jun 29, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don' t see the need for a long relief Lefty???
Your long relief guy should be your swing man…...
A brad thompson type who can start and can pitch out of the pen. Or look at the way the Cubs use Jon Lieber
Neither do I
I don’t see any use for it either but tell LaRussa that
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't get the Garcia can't get lefties out just based off of 14 innings pitched this year
Do people really think that if Garcia couldn’t get lefties out that he would have risen so fast through the system?
Cherry picking people, cherry picking.
The dude is a strikeout machine, I think we could do worse than to have him in the bullpen.
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Good post.....
Alot of folks think just b/c Garcia is left-handed, he’d be able to come up and mow down lefties. That isn’t always the case. I’ve yet to see anything suggesting he’d be better than what we have, or could get.
Besides, he’s not on the 40 man roster either, and I’m not sure what move could be made at this time to get him there.
Some have pointed out that he’s not on the 40 man roster. That’s an easy problem to solve also as it could be solved by the release of Flores, Jimenez, Rico Washington, Mulder, or Clement, for example.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
Maybe they'd don't want to do that?
Just b/c YOU don’t see any value in those guys, doesn’t mean the GM doesn’t.
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 29, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It was an example that houston posted
And if they see value in Rico Washington we have problems.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
or Flores or Jiminez for that matter
who knows what the hell is going to happen with Mulder and Clement, other than what I’d call a most likely release
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
MO can't possibly
see value for the ML team in a 30 year old career minor league utility IF or a 33 YO pitcher who hasn’t pitched effectively in the majors for 2 years and who still has no velocity.
If keeping Washington or Clement on the 40 man roster is what this team really needs ….wow, we are in real trouble.
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't really disagree with you.....
But one aspect of baseball that I’ve yet to see mentioned when talking about releasing player after player is the business side of things. You start releasing players that are hitting .267 (Kennedy), or lefties that are still, for the most part, getting lefties out, and you create a very bad stigma for your team.
You can’t go around releasing players who are performing on the level that was expected of them when they signed. Kennedy, Izturis, and Flores/Villone, for the most part. It isn’t good business, and that is why you don’t see it happening. Not only with the Cardinals, but around the league.
We’ve already had how many players make their ML debuts this season? I hardly think we need to keep adding to that, if we’re really trying to make a push for the WC.
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 29, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
We could also just put Clement on the 60-day and not harm anybody, since
his 60 days would start retroactively from the beginning of the season. As long as we made room for Clement again, we could put Clement back on the 40-man the next day, if we wanted to. Neither do we need to release Uncle Rico, just remove him from the 40-man.
Whatever the reasons for or against putting Garcia in the pen are, not having space on the 40-man is not one of them.
I don't want to get into an argument about it
but Kennedy (whether he is hitting .267 or not) can not be producing at the level that was expected from him when he was signed. He is basically being used in a screwy platoon situation where he isn’t even starting against RH all the time. That is not playing up to his contract, and no one can convince me he is/has done that.
Flores isn’t exactly doing the same, he was signed as a reliever, not just to get lefties out. He did a fine job of doing both before he signed his contract, since then…not so much.
As for Izturis and VIllone…I don’t have a problem with either one of them..they are what they are.
You go look at a listing of DFA’’s players and you see it does happen around the league.
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
kennedy
I don’t think Kennedy has been terrible. He simply is doing what he has done every year in the majors. So far as I can tell avg, HR , SB, defense are all about the same this years as previous years. The only decline I can see below his career averages is OBP.
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
the avg might be the same
but the production isn’t anywhere near the same
They did not sign AK to a 3 yr 9M contract to be platooned
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
As Advertised & At Cost
is how I look at things.
Flores even though he’s done bad this year earned his measly 1.8 million last year. he does need to pick things up, but the reality is that it’s probably mechanical/injury based and it wasn’t like we thought he was going to be the lefty version of Putz.
Villone is an older pitcher with a bulldog mentality that will suffer as the season progresses. Again, cheap and done as advertised.
Iz was signed for the glove, not the bat. His glove has been advertised, his speed has been decent, and he was cheap.
Kennedy isn’t what was advertised, it’s a handcuff contract (so you look at dfa as opposed to trade), and is massively overpaid.
He’s paid as a primary 2nd baseman with GG worthy defense or an above average bat. He has neither.
Highly agree about the playing up to his contract bit. I tend to defend some of the other players, but there’s nothing that Kennedy offers that is worthy of defense, in my opinion.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 29, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This comment is just weird.
Stigma? What stigma would the Cardinals gain by releasing Adam Kennedy? Recognizing your mistakes and cutting your losses while you can is good business. Throwing poor players out on the field when better options are available is BAD business.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 29, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You would keep Rico Washington
or Kelvim Jimenez on the 40 man roster, and NOT put Jaime Garcia on the 40 man roster b/c you’re afraid it will create a “stigma” that will negatively affect the team as it heads down the home stretch?
I want the best players on the team so long as they’re ready to contribute and, save for the few who are putting, IMO, too much stock in left-handed splits over 14 minor league innings, I’ve yet to see any indication that Garcia couldn’t be brought up and be better than any other lefthander we have right now.
The good thing is that if he’s as bad as Flores has been, we could always send him back to Memphis.
agreed
If he sucks than he’ll know what he needs to work on to get back to the majors
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
flores, kennedy and to some extent villone
are NOT “performing on the level that was expected of them when they signed.”
villone has already matched his runs allowed total from last season. maybe that’s the rest of the bullpen’s fault, though he’s walked 23 batters in 29 IP.
flores has chauffered 41 baserunners in 19 innings!
kennedy came from the angels with a history of near league-averageness and the hope was that he could hold up if not IMPROVE coming back to the NL. instead he has become an empty hole, and that .267 you mentioned looks a lot worse when you read it as .267/.316/.330.
there are reasons not to release a player outright, but “creating a bad stigma” is not one of them if the player is truly not performing.
Isn't this just a case of "you never know till you try?"
one of our goals for this season was to find out what we’ve got. If we’re gonna give mike parisi a few bites at the apple, I don’t see why we shouldn’t. Are we really going to say that we’d rather throw villone in a game than see what garcia’s got? Is dropping Uncle Rico from our 40-man really such a hazard that we shouldn’t try it?
I don't like the sample size either but with
Garcia not having a slider in his repertoire, it’s possible that he would have more success against opposite handed hitters given what he throws. Possible, but not necessarily likely.
so LaRussa wouldn't know what the heck to do with him
or just treat him like a righty?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Duncan would love him though
A lefty with a nasty sinker that can rack up the K’s too
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Boggs would have been even better
w/ a better UMPIRE. He labored through the first two innings because he was pitching to an incredibly shrinking zone. Bernie made a comment in his forum about how poor the umpiring has been all season.
I really liked his aggressive approach and his willingness to use four pitches—FB, Curve, slider, and change. Definitely getting comfortable in ML.
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He was hitting 95 on the Royals gun
Did Gameday have him that high also?
by mikedallas45 on Jun 29, 2008 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
great movement on fastball
I’d be surprised if he doesn’t remain a starter in the ML
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he can rip around 98 with that kickass whip movement, but you’d only see that from him if he’s in the pen, I don’t see him letting it go that hard as a starter
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 29, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The bad umpiring
is so true. On this road trip against the AL teams, the Cards have been victim of some terrible calls on balls and strikes. Boggs has been squeezed in both his starts.
Detroit was pretty bad
Thames for the Tigers was ejected for arguing what was clearly a ball. I think it[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8217;s been bad both ways to be honest not like just STL is getting screwed.
A ball that was called a strike on both teams is still a ball. While I’d admit that there’s been some bad calls for DET, I’d say that it felt as if there’s been a bias.
Boggs took a little bit to adjust his pitching towards the strikezone offered, with experience he’ll pick up on that earlier instead of getting walks early
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 29, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it.
The home-plate umpiring last night looked fine to me, best in quite a while in fact. The guy wasn’t calling the outside strike (for either team), but if the pitch is off the plate, he is not supposed to call it a strike. He did call the inside strike, which has all but disappeared from most umps’ practice. And he was getting the high strike right more often than not.
Boggs wasn’t getting squeezed; he was having trouble throwing strikes, at least in the first couple of innings. He was overthrowing, as could be seen from the gun readings—he was up around 95 to start with, then settled in at a nice comfortable(!!) 92-93 for most of the game. That wasn’t the first game where he’s had that pattern, either. I’d chalk that up to rookie jitters. Once he settled down, the walks went away, which is good evidence that he wasn’t getting squeezed.
I agree, there has been some absolutely hideous ball-and-strike calling this season, and I’d also agree that it was particularly bad in Detroit (for both teams). But the guy yesterday gets a pass from me.
by StanTheManFan on Jun 29, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to follow myself up, but I forgot one thing:
For the first couple of innings last night, Molina was jumping around all over the place, trying to catch what Boggs was throwing. Boggs wasn’t hitting the target that Yadi was setting. That too improved as the game went on, and it’s something that wouldn’t show up on GameDay but provides more evidence that the ump wasn’t the problem in the first and second.
by StanTheManFan on Jun 29, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
There was no bad umpiring
some people were harping on this in the game thread but it just didn’t exist. The strikezone was fair.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
so do I believe you or everyone else?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
gameday thought it was pretty bad
lots of red dots well outside the zone, on both sides, sometimes right on top of green dots.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
Can you trust gameday in that park
with all the construction going on?
We’ve had some bad umpiring this season but last night seemed like a fair strikezone. I wonder if what may have been throwing alot of people off was the shifted camera angle from CF.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe it's happened four other times........
Even in a century plus of baseball, that happening five times seems like a lot to me.
I would not be in favor
of bringing Garcia up and sticking him in the pen, unless I knew more about his health, recovery from a start, routine in between starts, and so on. Yes, some guys who are groomed as starters in the minors (e.g. WW) can move into a bullpen role in the bigs for a while without anything going wrong with them. But not all do. I would not want to risk “breaking” this guy for the sake of a few bullpen innings; he’s too promising.
To me the solution here is for TLR to be a little less frantic about creating platoon matchups. He has some righties in the pen who can get left-handed hitters out—so let them. Interestingly, he seems to be starting in this direction, as a few of the relievers (McC, Perez, Izzy) are getting stretched out some. Whether that’s by necessity, or as part of a plan, I don’t know, but I think it’s healthier for the team (if not necessarily the reliever…) than nervously making a deal or promoting someone who shouldn’t be promoted.
HC,
Would you rather have him in the pen, or groom him in AAA for a couple/3 starts when the roster expands?
Personally I would rather protect his arm while he’s down in Memphis and then bring him along at the end of the season.
If we shut him down and slide him into the bullpen and have more woes with SP, I don’t think he’ll be a likely candidate to slide over and make a start. I feel if he’s put into the pen, that’s fine but don’t look for a start from him. He wouldn’t be a starter until next years ST.
When Waino comes back, we can use K-Mac and his LOOGY like splits for the role that Villone currently plays. Villone can just pitch to his splits and leave the righties alone. Boggs can slide into the pen – He’s a two pitch puppy for a while anyways, so may as well add him to the arsenal in the pen.
That would set us up with 1 lefty which is why it probably won’t happen. K-Mac should be able to pitch the lefty-righty-lefty innings that Villone would have problem with, and Villone should pitch the sole lefty matchups.
A lefty that looked fantastic that I seen yesterday was Matt Thornton (CWS), He looked filthy, but is signed for a long ass time, sigh. Gimme a clone of him
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 29, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
I totally agree
that we shouldn’t move Garcia from the pen to starting pitching (choose one or the other). it’s kind of a gamble though, if you were to move Boggs from starter to bullpen by replacing him with Garcia.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
When the roster expands
the minor league season is over so he wouldn’t be able to throw more in Memphis. Additionally, that’s September and I feel it’s important to keep his innings down to 160-170. If he starts all the way through August, he’s looking at 180 or more innings. In my view, this is a way to hold his innings down and help the big club at the same time w/o overexposing him by allowing him to face too many (or the best) major league hitters before he’s ready. It’s a way of breaking him in w/o breaking him down, so to speak.
I agree the bullpen situation can probably be solved without going outside the organization. I guess I’m just being selfish but I want Holliday. Holliday and Pujols would be a force to be reckoned with! If we have to give up duncan and Ludwick that sounds fine to me although it would probably cost alot more. If Houston can afford Tejada, Lee, and Berkman we should be able to pay Holliday to keep him st.louis for a few years.
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Don't have enought to get him
and they can’t pay him more than they pay pujols. He’ll want a mint he’s a boras client
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
plus
we have a ton of money tied up with Carpenter and Mulder, both who are not even playing
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We have so much money coming off the books after this season
we could easily afford another superstar
boo cubs, hooray beer
Pujols is not a Boras client
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didn't we just draft boras son?
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
a boras client
must think in complete thoughts
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
maybe that's why we drafted his son
So he’ll give us a break in the offseason
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
shane boras was the 1,055th overall selection
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Garcia's splits
It looks like BP has Garcia’s splits
against lh
.241 .342 .355 isn’t that bad is it?
against rh
.263 .364 .402
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Projections
That is the problem, We need to try to find his 07 minor league splits but I have no clue to look and it feels like I have looked all over for them.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm nearly positive that BP takes into account the splits from '07 in the projections
And seeing as how it has him projected as being ever so slightly more platoon-y I imagine they were pretty normal for a lefty.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
oh, were those projections
nevermind, but yeah, the past is taken into account for projections
DAMN BP
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Think I have found them
IT
in 2006
.246 .290 .323 vs LH in QC
.225 .257 .282 vs LH in PB
still trying to figure out 2007
More links for Garcia here
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
2007 is one
but here you go
2007 3.7 IP against LH
.286 .474 .286
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
so now we can agree
Garcia can get out lefties
My work here is done
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Still saying
I think it is inclusive at best
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
you ask for splits that show it
you get em, then disregard….AAARGH?
his career stats are less indicative than the first 14IP of this year?
Might as well throw out all minor league stats then, they don’t project anything to the ML level
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the natural split of being a lefthanded hitter
The onus of proving that a LEFTHANDED pitcher can’t get lefties out is on the “alternative hypothesis”. It’s pretty safe to assume lefties get lefties out, that’s just the way it works.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
that's exactly the way it works
w/ very few exceptions. My bet is that, used gingerly, he would get righties and lefties out and LaRussa wouldn’t put him in high leverage situations before he’s ready.
Thats the point
Than your are just bringing him up to be a reliever and not a LOOGY. Who would need to be replaced when Flores leaves per LaRussa wanting 2 LOOGY.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
???????????
He could get a lefty out, get a righty out, and stay in and pitch to the next lefty. Or, he could pitch to 1 lefty and LaRussa could go get him—and he’d be better than either of the Floreses.
Not Follwing
The only time he has ever held left handers to a lower ops than right handers is in 06 on the Palm Beach squad.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesnt matter that he holds righties to a lower avg
if he isn’t letting lefties hit him either.
The only time lefties have hit him is this 14 IP
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And notice the BABIP...
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
also notice
the K/PA
the guy’s K/PA % is crazy good
He doesn’t exactly have a ton of balls in play, no?
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not sure where you were going with the BABIP...but from
“The average BABIP is usually around .300 at the major league level, but the league average can be as high as .340 in some of the lower minor leagues”
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Point being
BABIP was the likely fuel for the split, not some skill based difference.
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LOOGY
I was surprised that Mulder wasn’t used last night when we had a 5-0 lead or a 5-1 lead. I would have been much more comfortable using him against the various lefties we faced in the later innings while still sporting a grand slam lead than throwing him back out there today in a 1 run lead or such.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2008 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
Agree
need to work MM back slowly.
Also what about using Carp in the ‘pen when he’s available in August? Same reasoning: ease slowly back.
If these two provide some good innings and Izzy returns to form, we have corrected our big weakness. And we’re a threat to the Flubs.
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if we have a 1 run lead there's no way we'll see Mulder today
TLR isn’t gonna let mulder blow it
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
See Parisi – that comment is on shaky ground
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 29, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully..
He’ll be coming in with a 10 run lead
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why even activate him
he still had plenty of time left on his rehab assignment that they could have let him pitch in Memphis.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
When they called him up I figured he can’t be worst Parisi so what the hell
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe like most here
they were expecting Boggs to blow up?
how much was on his assignment anyways? phillies, cubs and mets coming up I don’t know if there would have been a true good spot to bring him up
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 29, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I say screw itbring him in with the 1 run lead
see if he can get the damn job done
I am only halfway kidding
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He may suprise us
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if he comes in under
extra innings. i’ll grit my teeth and think…
“well, we’ve had worse in here about now” :)
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 29, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
right
what the hell
still only mostly kidding
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by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is that game logs thingy?
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speaking of mr chris duncan
I say this optomisticly, but i think he has turned a corner. I didn’t get to see all of the last few games ( i am going to clock in 78 hours this week) but what i have seen looks better. He seemed to be more patient/relaxed at the plate. He had the double on friday and the bloop hit last nite, yes both were on the flukey side, but they both count. He just has that look to him.
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as long as
he gets no change-ups. don’t know why anyone throws him a fastball over the plate, or even close.
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bannisters splits
look tough during day games at home
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And Skip can't hit a lick
in the daylight, so if he starts we are just giving away outs!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
.238 avg during the day .341 at night
splits this season
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
can't seem to find skips career splits for day games
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
scroll down
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=schumsk01&year=00
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thanks
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Barton in the day
Skip at night
strikeouts from lef-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
bartons splits are .200 night .282 day or close to that
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
even more reason to employ a day night split there
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
off the wall
we could use an offensive upgrade form our MI (duh) and we have an excess of outfielders. which team would be better off giving us their second baseman and be better off themselves with one of our outfielders and a spare MI’er? Just listening to baseball tonite made me wonder if AZ would take skip and kennedy for hudson? today burke (ba = .188) starts in left for the snakes.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
if they would do that
I would pitch in for Hudson’s ticket to St Louis
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Orlando is one of the best second basemen in the game imo
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
right
and that is what we need to be world series competitive and we won’t get him or anyone close to it for free. throw in a prospect too as far as i’m concerned
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Yeah and unfortunately the D-Backs aren't giving up their 2nd best hitter when they're in first place
Not to mention Byrnes has their big terrible contract that they aren’t displacing in left.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
byrnes in center today
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Key word today
Unless they plan on moving Chris Young or Justin Upton, both of whom are better players, he’s a leftfielder for them.
Regardless, they aren’t trading they’re 2nd best hitter for Skip Schumaker and a prospect short of Garcia/Anderson.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
offense is an issue
and young is hitting .230. not wed of this particular combo, but it seems this is what we need to find, someone who would take kennedy to man 2nd at a level of defense at least equivalent to their present starter and then an outfielder from us who could improve the other team’s offense via power or obp. i don’t favor upgrading 2nd base offensively by giving up more than one prospect. but teams most likely to be motivated to swap major league players are teams in the hunt. AZ is faltering and if that continues, maybe they would deal. husdon is hitting .295 as of today, so skip has a better BA (albeit biased by some platooning)
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Really??
but teams most likely to be motivated to swap major league players are teams in the hunt.
Why would the Diamondbacks, or any other team in contention, make a trade that hurts them in one critical spot to help them in another. That’d be masturbatory. Teams in contention trade prospects for major league players, not major league players for major league players unless they have a viable…or better than Plan A…backup plan. Adam Kennedy has no value to anyone at this point other than as a late inning defensive replacement. Not to mention Hudson is a Type A so they get two pretty decent prospects for him anyway.
Outside of Brian Roberts, there isn’t anyone who I’d imagine would be available who’d be an upgrade worth making over Izturis/Ryan/Miles. Unfortunately the O’s already have Wieters and don’t need Anderson…
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although they are barely in first place, right?
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
we might have to throw in one more person
if they’d be interested in that
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
just thinking out loud
looking around at 2nd basemen who could help us and who could use a little help in the outfield and are in the hunt. ellis is also a possibility, but duncan might be the one for an AL team (an exchange i would prefer). marlins need pitching, but don’t think they’ll give up uggla just yet. he is basically on hold
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
uggla and Hanley are the face of the franchise.
Marlins are building a new stadium there gonna need those players to put people in the seats. I would like to have him though
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
new stadium, yes; ramirez, a fixture, yes
uggla not siged long term and management turned of the spigot for more signings, so seems he is on hold and whether he stays or goes depends a lot on what happens to the team in the next 30 days, and, now, his ankle. they traded willis and cabrera, they won’t hesitate to trade uggla under the right circumstances, but i believe they will want at least one ML players, not all prospects. still think reyes could be the foundation of a trade here. marlins pitching is in serious need of help.
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chicks dig the long ball
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
uggla sprained his ankle too
strikeouts from left-center
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
anybody see a lineup for today yet?
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Larue looked good against bannister last series
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Braden Looper has 14 K to 1 BB
in his last 4 starts. Keep that ratio up today Kodos
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Larue looked good against bannister last series
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Lineup
from stltoday
Skip CF
Grit 3B
APu DH
Ank CF
Luddy RF
Dunc 1B
AK 2B
Stache C
Shoulder Licker SS
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LOL
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by Bahamaredbird on Jun 29, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
miles again, and at 3rd?!
feel sorry for looper. his chances to win just went down
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Miles at SS, BRyan at 3B any better?
Santa needs a day off. Not surprised he’s sitting.
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Doesn't mean it's not the ugliest non-1B infield I've ever seen
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Anyone think....
the Giants would bite on a straight up deal Duncan for Durham? It’s an easy salary dump for the Giants. The cards get a veteran 2B with a .378 OBP for the stretch run. (say what you want about durham, but he’s a MAJOR upgrade over what we have now and he’s a FA at the end of the season). Duncan gets to go back to the west coast where he can hook up with Big Mac and try to get his swing back. Only problem is the current Giants first baseman…..John Bowker!!! Man that guy just keeps screwing us!
Actually if the Cards trade him I can see Duncan getting DFA’d by whatever team he gets moved to and then spending his career going to several teams on minor league contracts getting the occasional call up. He could turn out to be a Jack Cust type later down the road…or he could wind up being another Kevin Mench – I know..i’ve made that comparison before. Either way, no future with the Cardinals so get what you can for him to try and help this team so we can all get revved up for a Cards-Cubs NLCS!!! Damn how sweet would that be if it was the Cards that beat the Cubs in game 7 to prevent them from advancing to the W.S.?!!
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 29, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
that's why mo said
cd will have a full chance to get going on the ML roster. fi he gets going, he goes; if he doesn’t. he goes down
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
I don't know if anyone would bite on any deal with Dunc
Unless they do just need to dump salary. Surely though, SF has to feel like they could get more for Durham than a non-hitting (at the moment anyway), non-fielding guy like Dunc.
I'd probably
rather have the draft choices if Durham decides to keep playing beyond this year. Sabean, in the past, though, has shown contempt for draft choices and might rather have Duncan. Duncan is salvageable, IMO. I don’t think the Giants would do it, but I wouldn’t be that surprised if they did.
yea..i guess the "straight up" part...
is a bit of a stretch…but surely the cards could entice them with a couple throw-in minor leaguers. That is…if the Giants are serious about dumping salary. I agree that no team at this point should have any reason to give up anything for Chris Duncan. I would like to see Dunc end up on the west coast though. It seems Mcgwire has been a pretty big mentor for the kid and could really help him if they had more time to work together. Anyway…like I said, they already have Bowker who’s numbers blow away Chris Duncan’s so they probably wouldn’t be interesed anyway
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 29, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
durham is a dreadful fielder
We’d probably be better off sticking duncan at second, from a defensive standpoint. Not really joking…
A month or so ago this came up and, based on the number of balls that Durham didn’t get to that Kennedy would, and making some generous assumptions for Durham’s benefit, the net value to the team of (kennedy’s lack of O + Kennedy’s D) was exactly the same as (Durhams lack of D + better offense). When you consider how much money Durham is making, and the fact that Ryan can probably put up a .700+ OPS at second for free, it is crazy to make the trade.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
plus
it’s a patch for 08 and moe kind of blew that idea off yesterday
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
patches for '08 aren't a bad idea, though
I seem to recall it working pretty damn good in ‘06 (Belliard, Weaver)
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 29, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
a patch for '08
that costs us anything of value (remember, Belliard and Weaver didn’t) would be a bad idea.
However, if Durham were a Type A free agent, which I’d bet he would be, it might be worth it just from the draft picks we’d get by offering him arbitration.

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