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They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 28, 2008 9:34 PM EDT 0 recs

Brendan Ryan

So whats everyones opion on the guy now? I am glad he’s getting playing time, I’m sorry that its at the injury expense of Izturis, but I’m glad to finally see him play more.

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:34 PM EDT 0 recs

I love him

with more playing time he will become a better offensive player and I think he is just a ballplayer on defense

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 28, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

i think he's done well

and he’s got a great deal of potential.

by djones9 on Jun 28, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

I love it!

Don’t know how the numbers crunch, but everytime I see him play he does something that makes me cheer. He’s fun to watch, and I think he could be the solution at short.

by fuegophil on Jun 28, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up 0 recs

he's

joe mcewing, with more ability

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 28, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

Or if we gain depth at the position

maybe we can trade high

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

in general, but not just at the expense of Iz when Iz comes back. I think he should share time between SS and 2b and get his PA up that way. Iz has generally done us well, even as advertised (he wasn’t coming here on the heels of a hot bat, he came for the glove)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yep, I pefer TSL at short

but playing him at 2B takes ABs away from AK, and that can’t be a bad thing

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

exactly

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

no doubt

iz2 looks very smooth in the field, much more so than ryan. nonetheless, i’m not sure he makes that more plays than ryan. this is case where your eyes may deceive you

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

matty pretty much got my point, i want less AK and ryan to bounce between positions. Iz can’t play 2nd, so Iz takes his natural position and Ryan shifts over. No to Little AK at bats, win win

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up 0 recs

I need to see him play a little more...

I think offensively, what we saw at the end of last year is the ceiling. I just don’t see him putting up anything better than a .750-ish OPS/95 OPS+ in a good year. I haven’t seen a metric that rates his “D” all that highly, though.

by dj tanner on Jun 28, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up 0 recs

That's sounds too negative...

I mean…i think there is upside. And i agree that his PT should not only come at the expense of Iztruis.

by dj tanner on Jun 28, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up 0 recs

Is Ryan a potential 3b,

after Glaus runs his course with the birds? Or is 3b a position we want and need more power from?

by fuegophil on Jun 28, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

Want a power guy there

And there are several lurking in the minors.

by StanTheManFan on Jun 28, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

I was gonna say

lets see what friese, and craig can do at the corner first. Barden can play 3rd too can’t he?

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

and that new guy too

The Walrus!

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

MORE POWER

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 28, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

yeah, with 3 MI's that can't hit

last thing needed is a light 3b.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

and I like the thought of all the power potential

we finally have in the minors

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

a lot more power I'd say

especially with the signing of Wallace. Ryan is a lot more comfortable SS/2b as well, he’s not as fluid in the hot corner

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

Is there any timetable on Wallace?

Who else is “lurking” in the minors?

by fuegophil on Jun 28, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

Freese

from the Edmonds trade is warming up, but he’s not pure power and could use some seasoning. He’s inline for when Glaus’ contract finishes, but I don’t think he’ll project inline after ‘09 if Wallace is as advertised

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

I don't care what the experts say

I am dreaming of Freese at 2B

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm not 100% on his footwork

as a 3b, I tend to look more at the offense at first and I’ve followed that, but if he could handle the footwork, he would easily project an above average 2nd IMO.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

you are my new expert on the matter then

tell me what I like to hear man, tell me what I like to hear

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

he needs to fill out and command the plate to be a true 3rd baseman from an offensive point of view, but if he had a 2nd baseman defensive toolset, his numbers would look a lot better. They’re going to be average or average+ if he’s a third baseman though. IMO.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

it seems like SS was a defensive specialist’s position, now people want real offensive production out of it. ditto catchers. i don’t see why 2B shouldn’t be the next (and last?) to fall.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 28, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

That's great to hear

hopefully the cardinals are already trying this out, considering our lack of support for hoff-power

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

I don’t believe they are, and AFAIK he doesn’t have a game there yet. But I haven’t opened up the stats to double check, just from memory (so I could be wrong)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

RZR says Ryan is better than Tulowitski

and much, much better than izturis. Dewan’s fielding bible stats say the same. Both will be hurt slightly by tonight though because of that ball in the first inning he was lined up out of position on.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jun 28, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

For this season...

Yes, but, I mean…a) Tulo was injured for a stretch; b) Playing time considerations (look at the innings difference; and c) there is no way I will believe Brendan Ryan compares favorably, defensively, to Tulo

by dj tanner on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

he’s talking about the british version of tulo, though

by baw on Jun 28, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

did tulowitski play injured? he’s on .900 right now, but was .861 over 155 games last year.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 28, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ryan has so much range

he makes it look easier than it is. Me likey

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

He does have nice range...

No argument here.

by dj tanner on Jun 28, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up 0 recs

eyeballing it

Ryan’s RZR should fall to 52/58 or .896, unless some of the plays he made tonight were out-of-zone. That’ll put Tulo back on top, unless he had a bad night, but Ryan is still 50 points better than izturis.

"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN

by SleepyCA on Jun 28, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

if total chances at the position were to be comparable, would they fall closer inline?

not against Ryan and for Iz, just assumed you had the stats themselves open and could see where the TC numbers fall

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yeah...no argument that

Ryan’s defense is not “good”. I guess my original point was that i want to see a bit more, but he is a cheap and serviceable option.

by dj tanner on Jun 28, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

what defensive metrics are you using for evaluation? on RZR ryan is #2 in in the MLB (behind bynum) for SS over 100 or more innings and has a perfect fielding percentage.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 28, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up 0 recs

I am the forth to postith

and I am not happy about the timing.

I was preaching it in the other thread!

(7th maybe?)

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:36 PM EDT 0 recs

i'd go to hear you preach every sunday morning

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 28, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

the quality of my preaching

may not be so good on sunday mornings….just sayin

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

that's all good

my ability to stay awake sunday mornings is usually comes into question

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 28, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

so we will all have to be content with gametime preachin

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 28, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

nice inning by mcclellan

by djones9 on Jun 28, 2008 9:41 PM EDT 0 recs

So what are we gonna do

when tony makes us play waiting game in 1 year? or has he said he’s finally going to hang it up?

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:42 PM EDT 0 recs

bah, the brew crew won 5-1

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 28, 2008 9:42 PM EDT 0 recs

cubbies lost though didn't they?

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

yes 6-5

by thatsawinner on Jun 28, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

yep

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 28, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ah well

Cubbies, Marlins, Braves, Mets all lost (WC canidates)

LAA would be favorite against the Dodgers later tonight.

So generally good news abound

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

C'mon cards one more run

I want a cheap fountain drink tommorow with lunch

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM EDT 0 recs

they just showed the replay of the play at plate from the last inning

man, YADDA is really smart

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 28, 2008 9:48 PM EDT 0 recs

+1

innovator, bet you see that a little more

by from First to Third on Jun 28, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

That reminds of the time...

and I could have made some of this up…but Edmonds pretended a well-hit fly ball was routine, let it go over his head and bounce off the wall, and then threw out the tagging runner at third, who was caught off guard by the whole thing.

Some or all of that could have been imagined…anyone?

by dj tanner on Jun 28, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up 0 recs