Off Day Miscellany
by the red baron on Jun 23, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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Morning. Lboros and I are switching days this week, so Happy Monday!
Yesterday morning,as I was considering the day ahead, I perchanced to look at the matchup in the baseball game of the day. And what did I see? I saw Joel Pineiro, who despite his successes in the Cardinal uniform fails to inspire feelings of confidence in me, going up a against his old team, the Boston Red Sox. I saw Jon Lester, who just happens to be as close to a shutdown lefty as you're going to find in the game at the moment, pitching for the Sawx. I saw an angry, pent up team, ready to rain some destruction upon the fragile skulls and fragile egos of our boys in red as revenge for the ambush that the Cardinals had sprung in the first two games of the series. I saw a Cardinal offense that, despite the explosion of Saturday night, has struggled to score runs in the absence of their anchor. In short, I saw a game that didn't look all that promising. And that led me to make a rather fateful decision, as it turns out.
I didn't watch the game.
That's right, friends. I didn't watch the baseball game yesterday. I set my DVR to record it, and I went out antique shopping for the day. Unfortunately, on this particular day, the Cardinals apparently decided to play possibly the greatest single game of the entire season. And I didn't see a single, solitary minute of it.
Don't take me wrong; it wasn't a complete loss by any means. I did come up with a really gorgeous cut crystal decanter that I plan on filling with Scotch just as soon as possible, some really beautiful silverware that originally came from a Louisville hotel in the early 20s. On the baseball front, though, not so good. Of course, due to another miracle of modern technology, (my cell phone) I ended up following the game and was already aware of how it ended, thus essentially turning the idea of trying to watch the greatest game of the year into something very similar to watching The Sixth Sense after you know the twist. The best you can possibly expect to do is follow the tiny little clues that lead up to the end, but really, the whole thing's just ruined.
And so, what can I possibly say about the game? Hell, what can I say about the series, for that matter? The Cardinals come off playing the most pathetic, lifeless, just plain bad baseball you can imagine, getting swept by the Kansas City Royals, then go into Boston to play, quite possibly, the best team in the game, and play them to a series win and a heart stopping, extra inning contest in the finale. I have no idea what the hell this team was doing against KC; I just don't see how you can possibly be so good against the top of the league and so bad against the bottom. I gots to tell you, it's a little frustrating.
The one thing I was really a little concerned with was the Chris Perez meltdown we saw in the eighth inning. We haven't seen that before from Perez; even when he has struggled, it's been fairly mild. This, though, this is what we were afraid of from Chris. We saw this every so often in his minor league career; games when Perez would just find himself unable to find the plate. Sadly, the walks tend to come in bunches for Perez. When his control goes bad, it goes almost completely south. Really, it's the only thing that can possibly stand between the kid and being a top flight closer; the truly elite closers don't lose it like that. They may allow a baserunner or two, but the don't walk three hitters in a row after getting two outs in the inning.
Congratulations to Mr. Nick Stavinoha, who becomes the ninth Cardinal player to make his ML debut this year. He seems to have a nice swing and a bit of an idea at the plate; we could certainly do worse than to have him DHing for the next six games. In fact, I have a really hard time understanding why this move wasn't made before. There is no excuse, and I mean absolutely none, to ever see Adam Kennedy as the Designated Hitter as we all did on Saturday. I'm sorry, that's just bad roster management.
A few things:
R.I.P. Mr. George Carlin. I was never a huge fan of Carlin's work, to be perfectly frank. The influence of the man, though, cannot be denied. He was a giant in the comedy world for well over fifty years. The world is a little less funny this morning.
Jess Todd, the Cards' wunderkind, had his first bad game of the year last night, giving up 5 runs in as many innings. Kid'll never be anything with numbers like that. I want that ERA back down below 1.50, and I want it now!
I saw the greatest movie over the weekend, and I want you all to run out and find it right now. If you can't find it, demand that someone get it for you. It is called "Flesh for Frankenstein", and it will rock you. Andy Warhol was one of the producers, and it's every bit as brilliant as, well, hmm. Never mind, there's nothing worth comparing this movie to. It's that damned good. You'll never see a better Sci Fi/ horror/ comedy/ love story/ excuse to drop LSD. If you love zombies doing it, (and if you're anything like me, you rarely think of anything else) then this is the film for you. Do yourself a favour and don't miss out on one of the true classics of American cinema. The author of this piece takes no responsibility for anyone inadvertently exposed to awful, awful things by viewing of the film in question.
Below this post, Azruavatar has a quick writeup of some of his own thoughts following the Boston series. Check it out.
Have a nice off day, everybody. Next come El Tigres, and they are, unfortunately, looking more and more like the team we all thought they were. Just in time.
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Blackout
You didn’t see yesterday’s game; many of us out-of-towners with FSN-Midwest will miss the next three, with Detroit. They are on the blackout list. As are next week’s Mets games.
Carlin’s baseball v. football bit was funny.
by Youneverknow on Jun 23, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow.
That’s just unfathomable awful. I’ve never had to deal with the blackout problems, seeing as how I live right here in St. Louis. I’m eternally grateful, too. It seems like just the biggest nightmare imaginable.
What this book presupposes is, maybe he didn't?
by the red baron on Jun 23, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still feel lucky
It was not long ago that Des Moines cable baseball was all about the Cubs. When the Cubs games went to Comcast, Mediacom picked up Fox Midwest and I bet you could hear the howls all the way to the state border.
I’m not sure what the blackout is all about. They picked 19 games over the course of the season. At least this year I know the games in advance. Last year I would turn on the TV and be surprised and it would absolutely ruin my evening.
by Youneverknow on Jun 23, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel thankful
for getting to see back to back games this weekend.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 23, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No baseball watching for me
this series. I rely on MLB.tv to watch my beloved Cardinals up here in Michigan, but according to El Tigres I should be watching THEM on cable, which I don’t have. So I am blacked out from this series. At least there is Gameday Audio so I won’t be totally in the dark. Added bonus: I can choose between home and away broadcasts and listen to Mike and John if I want to.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 23, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my life
I’m blacked out from MLB.TV because I live in Little Rock. We get the game feeds on an “extra” channel on cable (FSN Southwest is our dedicated regional channel); but, while I love seeing the games, with $4+ gas, cable was something I decided to cut out. I’ve ordered Gameday Audio since about 2002 and I love it…it’s cheap and Mike Shannon is the best.
by thisgirllovesbaseball on Jun 23, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun little tidbit for DSM Mediacom subscribers
My mom gets Mediacom cable and was put off when the Royals/Cards games weren’t on, even if it turned out to be a blessing in disguise (um…sweep). So she fired a complaint via email off to Mediacom and got this in response:
Thank you for your concern regarding our St. Louis Cardinal broadcasts on Fox Sports Midwest. Fox Sports Midwest added 20 games to their Cardinals schedule after the start of this baseball season. They asked for an additional charge to show these games after our original agreement. We have decided not to show these additional 20 games over the 110 game package that we originally agreed to rather than passing on this additional cost to our customers. We will forward your comments and concern to our marketing department. Additional baseball programming is shown on ESPN, ESPN2, TBS, WGN, and the national FOX network.
How much can 20 games cost?
by bgh on Jun 23, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that
Like when has a cable company not liked passing on a fee to subscribers? F-in mediacom.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 23, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turns out...
About $1 per subscriber in the viewing area…that turns out to be around $1.5 million or so.
While that doesn’t seem like a lot, consider that customers pay around $1.50 per sub for the FSN Midwest channel the entire rest of the year (not to mention that FSN channels are purchased using a tiered agreement at the corporate level). Charging an additional $1 per subscriber for 20 games amounts to highway robbery.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 24, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Mediacom would have carried those games in the Mediacom Connections channel, but it was blacked out in the viewing area by MLB because we fall in the KC Royals blackout area.
These blackout deals are so fucking dated that it’s sometimes impossible for carriers to even navigate to get the programming their subscribers want.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 24, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I listen to most games on gameday audio too
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 23, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: George Carlin
It seems that most in our age group (mid/late 20’s) don’t find Carlin all that funny, but respect the hell out of his influence on other comics. I think that the work he (and Bruce) did tearing down the obscene barrier walls meant that by the time the next generation of comic fans came around, their stuff was no longer fresh/shocking at all and seemed kind of hack and dated at times, in a Andre Dice Clay way.
Also, his football/baseball bit may be my least favorite famous comedy bit of all time.
Loved him in Bill and Ted’s though!
Well who the hell can see forever?
by Alxfritz on Jun 23, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, tits
RIP my good man
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And "tits" doesn't even belong on the list!!!
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 23, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of the best bits ever
i was a big fan of carlin, prolly only second on my personal favorite list after richard pryor
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
by bigcardsfan5 on Jun 24, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early 30s here
and while most would consider me to be at the other end of the spectrum from George Carlin, I’ve always found him to be downright hilarious and often agreed with him more than I didn’t for unknown reasons. Just adds to my own complexity, and i thank people like George Carlin for making me think.
Rest in Peace my good man. We have truly lost a great thinker.
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early seventies here
and I never agreed with anything George Carlin said; never thought him funny: never could watch him for over a couple minutes without being annoyed. Just shows how people differ I guess…never wished him dead though.
by ridgesee on Jun 23, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was pretty goddamned funny
for the most part. although he sort of ripped off Bill Hicks at times (who doesn’t?). RIP, George
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 23, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um
I think you have that backwards actually—Hicks was an edgier Carlin. In fact, Hicks listed Carlin as one of his idols.
You want to see a Bill Hicks rip-off? Look at Denis Leary’s entire stand-up career….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 24, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlin in my eyes was nothing short of brilliance.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 23, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching matchups with Detroit
We’re missing Verlander, which is a HUGE relief. We’re facing off against:
Kenny Rogers (5-4, 4.36)
Armando Galarraga (7-2, 3.03)
Nate Robertson (6-6, 5.60)
While we’re sending out Looper, Lohse, Wellemeyer
I like the matchups
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
has verlander gotten it back on track this year?
If you are in St. Louis check out my band, Griffin and the Gargoyles
(formerly Gargoyle Reign, Gargoyle Lounge)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
:-D
by jealousblues on Jun 23, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His last 8 starts
3-3
53.1 IP
42 H
20 BB
42 K
16 ER
2.70 ERA
.213/.289/.305/.594 against
1.16 WHIP
I’d say so. But Galarraga is nothing to sneeze at, either. 138 ERA+, 1.065 WHIP, we’ll need to have the bats on fire and K-Lo pitch a gem to take that one…
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rewind 6 to 8 months and see how ridiculous
that last sentence sounds. Amazing isn’t it?
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we see the May version of Welley
Along with the last two games version of Looper and the first few weeks of the season version of Lohse
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was wrong
with the last two starts version of Lohse that you would rather see the early season version?
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 23, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing
But as Evilfrog pointed out, 0 ER in his first 17 IP is pretty incredible. I’ll take that any day of the week!
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
Track 'em Tigers - An SB Nation Blog for Auburn Tigers fans
by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
That makes sense, but except for the two games he has lost (against the Cubs, 8 runs on 9 hits, and the Rox, 7 runs on 8 hits) Kyle has been good every time out. Guess I am just saying that he gives us a pretty good chance of winning every time he takes the ball.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 23, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lohse
Considering Lohse has given up three or fewer earned runs in each of his last seven starts (two ER in six of those seven games), I’ll take the present version myself.
by bgh on Jun 23, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like the present verison
But the beginning season version where he gave up 0 runs in his first 17 innings would be better.
by Evilfrog on Jun 23, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
matchups
Rogers will give the Cards trouble—soft throwing lefties who can locate the ball seem to give the Cardinals fits. Robertson pretty much fits this mold as well, and Galarraga has been pretty damn good this season.
If we’re talking matchups, you have to like their offense against our pitchers vs. our offense and their pitchers, on paper anyway. But you could have said the same thing about Boston before Dice-K got shelled. As they say, that’s baseball…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 23, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just atomic balm
You know, to ward off the chills at night. Or during the day. Gets cold sometimes in Detroit in June.
by Red in Chicago on Jun 23, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a dirt clod?
What a freaking moron.
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a revenge game for us, though
evident the wash!
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jun 23, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someday
i’ll figure out what “evident the wash” means…
by mattybobo on Jun 23, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
make sure you don't
Load up all the clothes on one side of the washing machine. Because if you do it will be uneven and cause the washing machine to shake and kinda walk.
by Evilfrog on Jun 23, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it came from here:
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/10/22/233021/36/60#1296237
If anyone goes to the game on Tuesday, they need to bring a sign that says that.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jun 23, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it reads like somebody in japan was using google translator or something...
very funny though. on halloween that year, a very cute girl about 10-12 years old came up to my parents house in a costume, and when i asked her for a joke, she said “what’s black and white and brown all over? kenny rogers, the cheater.” best joke of the night.
by mattybobo on Jun 23, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and thanks guys for cluing me in
i kind of vaguely remember it now that i’ve seen the original context again, but that VEB inside joke has puzzled me for months.
by mattybobo on Jun 23, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think westcoastbirdwatcher
may have played a little country hardball.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
country hardball = no helmet?
Because a beanball would go a long way towards explaining some of his comments. My brain still hasn’t recovered from one these
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 23, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that was uncalled for
I apologize
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 23, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez
You know what I did like about the Perez inning was the way he did not completely go to shit and give up 3 runs or anything like that. He was able to come back and strik out Yuklis (SP)? who is a tough out….
We had all seen based on futureredbirds coverage that Perez can be wild at times.
I thought Perez handled the situation well and did not make things worse which was a great sign.
by ICbirdfan on Jun 23, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Perez hung in there, even when the pressure seemed to be building.
The TV guys loudly wondered why LaRue (or even Yadi, who was playing first base at the time) didn’t go to the mound and try to ‘calm him down.’ I guess they got ME wondering, too, because their talk, and the situation, got my spine stiff. But I concluded that LaRue and Molina know Perez well enough to conclude either a) it wouldn’t help any, or b) even be counter-productive. (neither catcher seems bashful, to me)
The TV camera DID show Duncan (Dave) imitating deep breaths out to his protege, while LaRussa looked grim. Of course neither of them could go to the mound, or Perez would have had to be removed.
by the Tewk on Jun 24, 2008 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw crap
I cant resist a zombie movie…
Now im gonig to have to search for this thing, and im sure its going to be impossible to find.
on a side note, off days suck
If you are in St. Louis check out my band, Griffin and the Gargoyles
(formerly Gargoyle Reign, Gargoyle Lounge)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
:-D
by jealousblues on Jun 23, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Off days suck. At least for fans.
For a team that used all thier relievers in a lost the night before. Offdays are alright.
by Evilfrog on Jun 23, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody see that one stretch in August?
Cards are off Monday AND Thursday two weeks in a row. 4 out of 10 days off. How awful
At least he's better than Esteban Yan.
by jacksonian on Jun 23, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see if that holds up
Might have to push some rain-postponed games into those slots before it’s all said and done. It will be a treat for the team, as well.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
Track 'em Tigers - An SB Nation Blog for Auburn Tigers fans
by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiosity
know how many games we still need to make up? Can’t be many considering we have played 77 games with only a few teams having played that much and Boston playing more (78). Btw, only the Reds have played as many games as the Cardinals so far with the cubs Astros and Pirates playing 76, and the Brewers playing 75.
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have
any make-ups, do we? The only two games that were rained out were made up the next day. Opening day against the Rox was played on the next day, which was originally an off day, and the rain-out vs. the Nats became a day-night double header the next day. Am I missing any?
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 23, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have any yet
But I’m just saying that off-days late in the season many times don’t turn out to be off-days after mother nature intervenes.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
Track 'em Tigers - An SB Nation Blog for Auburn Tigers fans
by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Thankfully we’ve made it though the most difficult part of the season weather-wise (i.e., the spring)
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’m going to have to check out that zombie flick. sounds like a good one!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 23, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez: Throw strikes, kid
Yesterday’s meltdown by Perez reminded me of a game I attended earlier this month here in D.C. - the first game of that day-night double-header with the Nationals to make up the rain-out the night before. Tony brought Perez to pitch the 8th inning w/the Cards up 4-0; he got Aaron Boone to ground out and then walked two of the next three batters before TLR yanked him - only threw 7 strikes in 17 pitches. Just couldn’t find the strike zone, even facing the pathetic line-up the Nats fielded that day. I love Perez’s stuff, but he definitely needs to get these control problems solved before we automatically anoint him the closer for 2009.
by DCRedbird on Jun 23, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perez
Generally agreed with the sentiments in the post – we saw something very similar in the KC series. He’s a bit more fragile than he needs to be. His walk rate is still terrible, and will need to improve if he’s going to be a top reliever in the big leagues. DCRedbird is right – although, of course, the closer spot isn’t always getting the biggest outs. I think Sunday’s game is just further evidence in support of Kyle McClellan getting the biggest outs down the stretch and in the postseason if we’re so fortunate.
by alasbabylon on Jun 23, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that was my only reservation about bringing up Perez
sounded like he needed a little more time to work on that wild side of his pitching. has he had control problems throughout his career?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 23, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has been wild traditionally, but had settled down in Memphis this year.
For the most part, his slider has become nonexistent since coming up to the ML. That’s my chief concern. Sure players have a hard time hitting his fastball, but if it’s not locating I would like to see him pull in that kickass slider of his and try and induce some chasing.
The slider should keep batters honest when he grooves a fastball as well. He needs to use it more.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 23, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
old crystal
If its lead crystal, I wouldn’t keep alcohol in it that I was going to drink. The alcohol draws the lead out.
by ol Pete on Jun 23, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mulder to start Saturday...
Against the Royals. I have to say I don’t get it, shouldn’t we try to get him through ONE outing in AAA where he doesn’t get drilled before we put him in a game that counts?
by mikedallas45 on Jun 23, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mulder *may* start
The Cardinals are projecting lefthander Mark Mulder for a start in next weekend’s series against the Kansas City Royals, pending a successful “light” outing tonight with Class AAA Memphis.
The story from the P-D would tend to suggest that the plan is to get him through one outing in AAA in which he doesn’t get shelled before bringing him up to St. Louis.
by bgh on Jun 23, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Yikes. I would advocate more than ONE outing in AAA where he doesn’t get drilled before bringing him up. What’s the hurry with Mulder? I don’t see how he’s going to eat innings any better than Boggs at this point.
by IsThisHeaven on Jun 23, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 30 days are almost up
That’s the hurry
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, worst case
is that he becomes a left-handed McClellan-type option in the bullpen. Minus the ability to get batters out, probably.
by Red in Chicago on Jun 23, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst case scenario
is he replaces Flores. That is a good worst case scenario
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 23, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't be
at least, not if his second rehab stint didn’t start until June 14th, right?
That would give him time for 4 more starts, at least.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jun 23, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok
I saw the news on Clement in the Rotoworld bar and I guess I got them confused. Did the 30 days start over for Mulder or did he pick up where he left off?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question
you know, I heard “second rehab stint” and assumed it started over, but if it didn’t, that might explain the rush.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jun 23, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless something has changed in recent times
a DL resets the 30 day rehab
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 23, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen
I really don’t think his first game should be a start. Let’s go LOOGY with him for a while, build strength, build confidence. Go a little long relief, then maybe a start.
I know that the organization is unconvinced of his ability to start, to put in nicely, as are most of us. So why have the guy start?
by lightbulb on Jun 23, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flesh for Frankenstein and Blood for Dracula
are both excellent movies. You can actually find them playing on The Movie Channel (if you have premium cable or satellite) quite often late late on friday or saturday night. I caught both of them one night one after the other when me and lady friend were staying in one weekend, and they blew me away.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Jun 23, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Both are on Netflix
Flesh for Frankenstein is even an “instant” watch movie. I’ll have add them to my queue.
by thisgirllovesbaseball on Jun 23, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have a netflix player so i’ll take a glance too.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 23, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's good
But when will “1980s St. Louis Cardinals World Series” be available? I mean seriously, those guys have got their priorities way wrong!!
:-}
by random on Jun 23, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we're doing Off Day Miscellany...
... anyone else think Nick Stavinoha looks like the love child of Aaron Miles and Jeff Suppan?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by birds 4 life on Jun 23, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
that’s hilarious.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Jun 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought to myself at first site this weekend that he looked like Miles big brother.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Jun 23, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if what I saw yesterday
was really what I thought I saw, but after Perez walked his third batter’ he waundered toward home plate a few steps and gave a big chest heaving sigh and glanced toward the Card’s dugout. Almost instantly, the camera zoomed on the dugout to Duncan, who gave three big mocking chest heaves while looking angrily out toward the infield.Don’t know for sure if he was mocking Perez with his little display or not, but if so I don’t like it. Did anybody else notice this.
by ridgesee on Jun 23, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What feed were you watching?
On TBS, they showed the whole exchange and he was PISSED OFF at LaRue for not going out to talk to the kid. He was making that motion after he made the ‘go talk to him’ hand motion as if to say, “Can’t you see the kid is struggling, dude?”
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that instance
It got me wondering why no one went to the mound to talk to Perez. After any one of the three walks. I mean… Come on. We had two catchers on the field (Albeit one at First) and neither made any motion or communication to the Rookie reliever. I really wanted someone to just chat with him, maybe calm the nerves. That being said, since LaRue never made an attempt. Would Molina be stepping over the line to call time and talk to the kid, even though he wasn’t catching at the time? It is his usual job to take care of our pitchers…
by Pujols Is A God on Jun 23, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Molina do this to one of the pitchers?
Not sure if it was Perez or not, but he did go out to say something to one of the pitchers, according to Shannon/Rooney.
by saladdays on Jun 23, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Molina going to the mound on Sunday.. Can't remember when though
I don’t think Molina would be worried about stepping on Larue’s toes… Albert goes to the mound at times when Yadi is catching.
by ICbirdfan on Jun 23, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And ultimately
who really cares about Justin LaRue’s toes?
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From TBS
He tells Larue:
Call Time
Go Talk to Him
Give him a Breather
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He looks kinda retarded lol
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most people look retarded
Giving the signs.
by Evilfrog on Jun 23, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HARDCORE
I think you have captured a still shot of the sequence I was talking about and obviously it was intended for La Rue but Perez had just let out a big sigh and a chest heave and I thought surely Duncan is not mocking him with his antics. I think you are probably right, glad you cleared it up.
by ridgesee on Jun 23, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the completely different read on that one
I saw the breathing from Duncan and interpreted it as encouraging him to take a couple of breaths, shake the shoulders and relax. Trying to get him through it.
I would very strongly doubt he was mocking his player on the field. There’s just no way he’d be trying to make it harder on the pitcher in the game.
by birdo rojo on Jun 23, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same with me
I posted about it above
by the Tewk on Jun 24, 2008 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of TBS
Buck Martinez was awful yesterday but I think the icing on the cake was when he said Mike Matheny suffered 20 concussions in one season.
If that were the case, Dr. Paletta should lose his license. And Iron Mike would be dead.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And that's what McCarver said Saturday too
But who actually listens to him?
by saladdays on Jun 23, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCarver said 20
in ONE season? That is what Ol’ Buckeroo said. Mike did suffer around 20 concussions total in his career, but not during one season. HL is right – MM would most likely be dead if that were true. Do these guys even think before they open their mouths?
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 23, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a rhetorical question
I’m sure.
by Red in Chicago on Jun 23, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because he said "season"
doesn’t mean he meant it. Have you ever said something you didn’t mean to and didn’t realize you had said it?
Awfully high standard to hold someone to.
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
can you imagine being asked to talk for 4 or 5 hours straight, with every word you say criticized? Even with a full team of nerds shooting facts to them, that’s gotta be hard to do.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jun 23, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he made countless mistakes all game
Daric Barton right out the box.
With Buck, it seemed like he refused to let inaccuracies get in the way of his broadcasting. The point wasn’t just the Mike Matheny bit, it was the fact that he kept getting things wrong over and over again…
...like the Cardinals getting beat in Baltimore earlier in the year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whole broadcast was bad
Dude in the studio (can’t remember his name) referred to Prince Fielder as Cecil twice when showing his two HRs.
by lightbulb on Jun 23, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking before you open
your mouth is a high standard? If that had been the only comment made in error during this weekend’s broadcasts, I wouldn’t think anything of it, but there were a plethora of erroneous remarks made on various outlets (I listened to ESPN radio and FOX on Saturday) all weekend long. It was as if they couldn’t be troubled to actually check their facts before commenting on a fly-over team. It became wearing after awhile. And I will admit to thinking that people who are paid to talk should do it to the best of their abiliity is a pet-peeve of mine.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 23, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not as if he did it on purpose
and was being spiteful towards a fly-over team. And no, I don’t expect him to “think” before he speaks, that would make for a lot of long silences while he “thinks” about every word just so he doesn’t accidentally say the wrong word. Especially when it comes to accidentally saying “season” instead of “career” or “Justin” instead of “Jason”. It’s not like he actually thought Mike Matheney had 20 concussions in one season or that Jason LaRue’s name was Justin or was was doing it on purpose or whatever. Even the best mis-speak. Too many people take this stuff too personal like he’s snobbing his nose at the whole city.
I’d suggest if you want to complain about announcers and their “baises” head to bcb, they devote entire fan posts to this stuff. But the thing is, everyone makes mistakes. Don’t take them so dang literal, and don’t take them personal. Even the great Vin Scully had some not-so-quite accurate “facts” about the Cardinals a couple weeks ago. And they weren’t cases like Buck’s of mis-speaking, they were completely inaccurate “facts”.
Is Buck Martinez and the guys at ESPN perfect? By all means no. But I just think people look for reasons to complain about announcers and search for evidence of their biases. Personally, I’d rather talk about the team, but felt the urge to get that out there.
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, i took umbrage with our own announcers suggesting that schilling doesn’t belong in the HoF :)
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 23, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a much worse "infraction"
than accidentally saying Mike Matheney had 20 concussions in a season.
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will have to agree to disagree.
I stick by my previous posts. I don’t think any of the on-air announcers make these comments to snub or slight one team or another. I think it is just sloppy and careless and therefore unprofessional.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 23, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
national announces tend to be bad
I don’t like National games at all…
Monday night games ESPN
Wednesday night games ESPN
Sunday games TBS
Sunday games ESPN
Play-off Baseball FOX
All Star game FOX
I prefer the local guys, but at the same time it’s worse when local broadcasts are bad…. The Cards games on Sunday are awful becuase of the old guy with Rick Horton. Rick is alright but the old guy sucks and when he brings Shannon on the air it is horrible… I don’t think Shannon is very good.
by ICbirdfan on Jun 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the Mets would fire the SNY
crew so that the Cardinals could hire them.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
STL struggles...........
The cards really don’t have any good announcers be it radio or tv.
by ICbirdfan on Jun 23, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vin Scully is 80 years old
and is a one man booth. He is more apt to make mistakes than Martinez is, that’s for sure.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
but the difference was not in mis-speaking, it was in complete inaccurate facts. You know the one’s he throws out where he talks about how Player A grew up and was the tallest player on his 5th grade basketball team, yadda yadda yadda. Cool stuff, but every once in a while you actually know the story and his “facts” are off a bit. Completely different than accidentally saying “Justin” LaRue.
Either way, I don’t think either do it intentionally, and could care less.
by Tackle Box on Jun 23, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the nice thing with Scully
is that he’ll make sure to correct himself when pertinent, like he did with Skip Schumaker (“shoe-maker”). he’s just an all-around class act and one of a kind, though.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Jun 23, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thnk Scully's worst day is better than Joe Morgan's best
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jun 23, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's one thing to gaffe...
It’s entirely another thing when they don’t correct themselves. Hell, Scully and Gowdy occasionally had a gaffe on the air, they happen. But they are the types the hold themselves to a higher standard and make sure to correct any errors in the information they’re giving.
I fully expect a color analyst like McCarver or Joe Morgan, who’s job is to provide analysis of the game, to have looked over the roster of each team, know where everyone is playing on the field (he fucks that up all the time), and to be able to break down the play in terms that aren’t baseball cliche. I rarely hear McCarver or Morgan talk about hitting strategies on certain counts, defensive positioning, or what the pitcher is trying to do to different hitters. These are the things they get paid really good money to do, yet they don’t do them. In his chats on ESPN, Morgan routinely states that he doesn’t know much about teams because he “hasn’t seen them”. Ken Tremendous on Fire Joe Morgan makes a good point about this: If you were paid a couple million dollars a year to give commentary on baseball, isn’t part of your job to actually, um, WATCH BASEBALL!!!
If I’m not going to get any analysis, I’d rather they just put someone entertaining in the booth like Shannon or the San Diego Chicken.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 24, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The San Diego Chicken
that would be fucking hilarious, unless the Chicken talks now. Talking ould take all the humor out of the Chicken
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 24, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
among the worst
of Joe Morgan’s many sins… is that he rarely if ever offers anything that you can’t SEE with your own eyes… stuff like “he got a great jump there, Jon, and that’s he was able to git unda da tag and steal second base.” He shows no evidence of preparing for any game, more like ‘I’m just going to pontificate on what I see as the game goes on.’ And apparently he ignores any statistical or historical info the geeks supply him with (if he even wear headphones) or the info guys have just long ago given up on that.
Thus Jon Miller, who is ok by me except when he is chinning around with Morgan as some kind of foil or second banana to Joe’s arrogance and goofiness, is the one who has to give the kind of info that a play-by-play guy usually doesn’t have to do.
My essay “On the Announcing Offenses of Joe Morgan” is long, but the basic adds to the above are that his diction is poor and he has a most annoying habit of repeating the same word or phrase over and over in one of his long “description” spiels. He is apparently unskilled in using synonyms.
by the Tewk on Jun 24, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what I like
better about Buck Martinez: the stupidity, the hidebound thinking, or the voice that reminds me of sandpaper rubbing on my scalp.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 23, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally for me...
Its the fact that he tries to cover up the fact that he was a .200 lifetime hitter and a sub-.500% manager by pretending to sound like he knows baseball when he announces. Gotta love guys like that who are in the booths.
by Pujols Is A God on Jun 23, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess non-players have no place in the booth then?
I mean, bad players at least played the game. Non-players shouldn’t know anything, right?
by saladdays on Jun 23, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Buck on Baseball AM for XM Radio
up until about 6 months ago when I realized that he does zero homework anymore and just throws out blanket statements for every player.
I like him as a person and was glad when he was Team USA manager in the WBC, however I’ve really began to question his ability as a color commentator. He just doesn’t seem to be very insightful other than cliched, rehashed platitudes.
He is a smarter man than Joe Morgan, I respect him for that. Tim McCarver is smarter than both of them, but likes to ‘play dumb’ on the Fox Saturday broadcasts for reasons I can’t fathom.
I don’t mind an announcer making mistakes, but at least acknowledge that you made a mistake. There are fans watching that TBS broadcast as one of what, 4 exposures they might get to a game during the week? You don’t have to be perfect, but correct yourself to be informative.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
being a former player
doesnt make you intelligent for one, so i dont know what you are implying. there are some real morons out there, players and non-players, and i dont want to listen to any of them if they cant tell me the name of the leadoff hitter.
by UNCDubya on Jun 23, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
devil’s advocate on those particular points: he put up a career .225/.284/.343 line between 1969-1986, but poor offense from the catcher’s position was apparently more acceptable back then and it only seems to have really changed recently. to have a (backup?) career that lasted that long, several other people had to think it was a good idea. measuring the value of a manager is hard, but i think win % is a bad way to go about it; if you gave the nationals to earl weaver, do you think he’d be over .500?
i have no idea about the guy’s announcing. never paid attention.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 23, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with that
I wasn’t completely serious about the below average stats this guy put up in baseball. It was merely a stab at a guy who I don’t think does a great job in the booth. I have no problem with someone making it onto the scene as an announcer after they have been less than successful on the field.
Anyone with some knowledge for baseball is surely welcome in the media industry. Whether you have experience or not, I wholeheartedly except your efforts as long as your facts are correct and you make it interesting to the audience.
by Pujols Is A God on Jun 23, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the biz of baseball
does an article every monday on the TBS game of the week. it’s more of a review of what the TBS team had to say. here’s what they had to say about yesterdays game.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 23, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just in
local radio station 1380 reporting that Mulder has been scratched from his start tonight with back stiffness.
mel
by mel1975 on Jun 23, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So disgusting
Must have been some pretty severe back stiffness for a guy who was guaranteed a start on Saturday if he could get through a short outing tonight not getting shelled to skip his start.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timing
seems to be crucial to someone involved in these decision Hard-core. Do you think its disgusting because there is an element of “cowardice” involved on Mulder’s part? Is it possible someone said,” hey Mulder, you got a sore back” and he said” yes sir”. It happens…........ I think the GM would like to be seen as having a surplus of pitching at the break, so people in need are sure to inquire. Would you take an 11 million dollar option on Mulder for any reason. They really can’t put him in the bullpen at 6mill….............. thats hard duty for a fragile body. Especially one that will walk at the end of the year if you don’t pick up that option. Carp is insured. They won’t activate him this year unless they are going to make the playoffs in Sept. They save some money that way….......
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 23, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they tell him he was hurt?
He’s got 20 days left on his 30 day rehab start and they were considering him for the rotation on Saturday.
It’s disgusting that this guy just can’t seem to stay healthy long enough to get back on the mound and contribute.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 24, 2008 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was also disgusting that Walt re-signed him
without knowing FOR SURE if he was going to be able to be a solid starting pitcher again. It was a big gamble and we lost. I would hope after the Mulder & Clement disasters that we don’t take flyers on broken down pitchers anymore especially if the contract for said hurt pitcher is in the millions of dollars. Lesson learned I would hope.
by KYCards on Jun 24, 2008 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carpenter
was a broken down pitcher that we took a flyer on.
Mark Mulder SHOULD have been where he is now last year, except the stitching holding his shoulder together so that it could heal came unfastened and caused it to not behave properly.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 24, 2008 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he is a broken down pitcher again.
And right after we signed him to a huge contract no less.
What is it with the bad luck we have had when signing pitchers to big contracts they get hurt shortly there after?
I was on your side with this discussion by the way HL :)
by KYCards on Jun 24, 2008 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was also one of the 3 winningest pitchers in baseball
over a 3 year span (2004-2007).
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 24, 2008 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope he can become that type of pitcher again
I know I am hoping he will.
by KYCards on Jun 24, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then they signed him,
long term and insured his contract for about 50% of its value. They get paid if he can’t pitch.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 24, 2008 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we were extremely lucky with Carp.
I just hope the Cards don’t make it a habbit in signing hurt pitchers hoping they come back to be Ace type pitchers again. Clement wasn’t as bad I guess because he wasn’t that expensive….although he was still a big gamble that isn’t paying off, but at least we won’t have to deal withhim next season. As for Mulder….Walt I guess was trying to make up for his bad trade with Oakland with the hopes that Mulder pay off in the long run so he didn’t look as bad for dealing Haren. But heres the thing… I don’t think Mark and his agent were very truthful to the Cardinals with that status of his injury when he re-signed, I think that pisses me off even more than Walt giving him that big contract. Mark took advantage of the Cardinals in my opinion…It is bad situation all around.
by KYCards on Jun 24, 2008 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth...
Mark Prior and Jose Lima were pretty good at one time too…..
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 24, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
on a business level, he is a huge liability. I don’t really think he can help this team, but it is in his best interest, along with the Cards Org. to act out the most positive senario. That doesn’t have him making a Major league start and getting crucified. I’m sure there are many scouts watching his every move. There were probably a half dozen waiting to see him pitch. Its show business. I doubt his contract carried much insurance money, considering how and when it was negotiated.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 24, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Are you trying to say the Cardinals might somehow trade Mark Mulder? Why would some team take on Mark Mulder for half the year when they can have whatever he has to offer next year without costing them prospects?
It is not in the Cardinals best interest to have Mark Mulder not pitch. Doing so continues to light fire to the $11 M they’ve already invested in him over the last 2 years.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 24, 2008 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is usually
about bailing salary and trying to get something for that investment. I know they would like to trade him. There has to be an appearance of shared risk and tough pitching decisions. There are plenty of desperate teams right now that will pay 3 mill for the remainder of the the year…....plus a prospect for the chance. It happens all the time. Its the business. Somebody gave Carlos Silva 43 mill for 4 years….and then threw in a 5 mill bonus…......thats what got Bavasi fired, the idiot. He wasn’t even watching what the rest of the league was doing. I said before the season that Mulder wouldn’t pitch here again. I still can’t see it.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 24, 2008 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wellemyer
Any word on how Wellemyer’s session went today?
Go crazy folks, go crazy!
by WizardofOz on Jun 23, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm watching the Mariners vs Mets
because obviously i have nothing better to do, and a few minutes ago, beltran was trying to score on a passed ball, and he slid into Felix Hernandez who was covering home. and he twisted Felix’s knee pretty badly. he tried to pitch on it & it was very painful to watch. he had to be helped off the field. which sucks because he had only given up one hit threw 4 2/3rds,
AND this is the best part. in the 2nd inning he was the first American League pitcher to hit a Grand Slam in a game since 1971. off of Johan Santana of all pitchers.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 23, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that sucks, and that is amazing :( get well, king.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 23, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SNY said the M's say he twisted his ankel, so it's not the knee. which is good news
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 23, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.....Good News
That made me laugh…..I know, I know. Twisted ankles are painful but not too serious, not as serious as a twisted/torn up knee. But damn…..Hernandez is like the only thing left for Mariners fans. Tough luck for them. Hopefully he only misses a start or two.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 23, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can drop them a line at http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/23/557477/6-23-open-game-thread-part
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 23, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
yeah i don’t think so. those guys are seriously messed up.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 23, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything has gotten more dysfunctional as the season has gone on.
They fired the GM, they fired the field manager, and now I think they need to fire some of the players. Maybe an owner or two might help as well…...but at least they have Miguel Cairo…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 23, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, i meant the posters there
good lord, if we said half the stuff they said in the first few posts i read, LB would shut the place down. there are some seriously intense posters there.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 23, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the posters there are, um, inappropriate to put it mildly
but I think the team has kind of driven them insane…... no excuse, though.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 23, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the kids are alright
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 23, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet, we retain our civility
not to pat our own backs, but if any fans deserve to be inappropriate, it’s us here at VEB.
don’t get me wrong, i’m not judging them based on the fact they just lost their star pitcher. well maybe i guess i am, but wow did you read the begining of that thread? i mean, wow..
i hope like astrostl said, that does not reflect the normal behavior of the site.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 23, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the civility here
is the reason i enjoy being a part of this community
when i think about what our posts would look like if someone took out albert or waino on a slide – i truly can’t imagine threats like what were thrown out on that board.
generally, i imagine it would be a discussion of whether or not it was a clean play would occur, some overall hand-wringing, followed by a “what roster moves will this generate?” and then somehow we’d collectively make it either duncan or kennedy’s fault.
by TNTinCO on Jun 23, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LL is quite civil.
Your= "belonging to you" You're= "You are" (like the song)
by JI on Jun 24, 2008 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if any fans deserve to be inappropriate, it’s us? they’re 27-49. win percentage of .355, running away with the title of worst in baseball. manager gone, GM gone, pitchers injured, etc. they’re having a horrible, horrible year.
one of their editors posted a response to the calamity at http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/24/557609/27-49 . you can draw your own conclusions, but i think most of what was said was simply gallows humor and not indicative of evil.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 24, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently we're the bad baseball fans
Advice: don’t read what other blogs have to say about us Anyone who doesn’t understand the way we reacted this afternoon is not a good fan of baseball.
by Jeff on Jun 23, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by soccerfreak on Jun 24, 2008 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
It wasn’t quite that bad here when Albert went down. They have a serious fascination with Caps Lock, too, don’t they?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big difference
albert went down on his own
we cant say what we would have said in that situation
it almost makes me want to go see what the padres fans were saying about albert taking out their pitcher and catcher in one trip around the bases
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
by bigcardsfan5 on Jun 24, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Look who doesn't get the joke!
Your= "belonging to you" You're= "You are" (like the song)
by JI on Jun 24, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
I know we can flag comments, but is there a way to flag a blog? Whoever that Jeff guy is doesn’t deserve to be part of SBNation. At least if I was in charge of SBNation, or simply had a blog of my own on this network, I would be embarrased by that. Every blog here is on a network linked to one another therefore that is a negative reflection on the network as a whole. That blog is an embarrasment.
Secondly, why was Felix blocking the plate without the ball? Kinda put himself in a stupid position in my opinion. Maybe they should consider sending their own pitcher to Darfur or where ever for being a dumbass.
by Tackle Box on Jun 24, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to grow a sense of humor.
Your= "belonging to you" You're= "You are" (like the song)
by JI on Jun 24, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impressive
Attention!!!
I’ve been quoted on another blog and it only took 7 minutes to make it from VEB over to Lookout Landing!!
7 minutes!!! I feel priviledged.
by Tackle Box on Jun 24, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great, you've probably just started a rivalry
now when we visit seattle in 2012 or whatever, there will be riots in the streets as hundreds of thousands of seasonally-depressed seattlite baseball fans attend the 3 meaningful games they are granted for that season.
If it wasn’t bad enough having KC gunning for us, now the worst team in the AL is doing it too.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
by SleepyCA on Jun 24, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Come on Sleepy, you know better.
You know that we only play Boston, Detroit and Kansas City in interleague play. That leaves both teams getting a World Series bid. Now, now, we won’t see them for a long time with current ownership. :)
/sarcasm
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 24, 2008 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't look now
but here come the white hot Brewers. After beating the Braves 4-1 in Atlanta tonight, they sit a game and a half behind us for the Wild Card lead. They’ll be playing Atlanta twice more while we battle against Detroit.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 23, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, thats real fair**** thanks for nothing Bud
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 23, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been keeping an eye on them......
Ben Sheets was nails tonight…..pitched the whole nine innings too.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 23, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can’t imagine how frustrating his injuries must be to brewer fans. when he works, he works.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on Jun 23, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it's Sheets you just marvel at the games he manages to get in.
He is really, really good. Manages about 20-25 starts a year. You live with it like all teams with injury prone pitchers do.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 23, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus
Has a homer, double, and a stolen base tonight. Nice to see him finding his groove.
Ludwick/Molina for 2008 All-Star team.
by tangledbrett on Jun 23, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
June: .351/.438/.597
Yum.
His biggest problems early in the season were RHP and batting average. It was just a matter of time till a lefty who was having decent plate discipline fixed that.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on Jun 24, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royals Series
Looking ahead here…but I’m not really looking forward to playing the Royals again. They are playing pretty damn good baseball the past 3 weeks. They are hitting good and have found their HR power that were missing the first 2 months of the season. I hope our boys are ready for revenge of that sweep…I don’t think it will be easy.
Right now the Royals are 12-9 in June…we are 11-9…should be a good series.
But first things first… we are getting ready to play an even hotter team in the Tigers who are 13-7 in June. Let’s hope we can play as good as we did against the Red Sox, with the Brewers now breathing down our necks!!
by KYCards on Jun 24, 2008 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we need to sweep the Royals
cmon, we can do it (after almost sweeping the BoSox at home)
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 24, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Media hype
Seeing that Johan Santana lost his 6th game tonight, I can’t help but smile a little. Don’t get me wrong I would LOVE to see Santana with the Cards and he really isn’t having that bad of a season…. But it just goes to show that the media hypes some stuff just way too much for their own good. Remember when the East Coast media like the WWL were proclaiming that Santana was a lock for the NL Cy Young and he would dominate the NL and would lead the Mets to an easy NL East Title back in March. Doesn’t seem that either one will happen.
It’s small things like this that makes baseball such a great game. There is no sure thing in baseball no matter what the experts want us to think. Kind of like the Tigers in 3 back in October of 06.
by KYCards on Jun 24, 2008 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was classless of Santana
to say that “Hernandez just closed his eyes and swung as hard as he could” after he gave up the GS to King Felix.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 24, 2008 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read
"My approach? Just swing. I closed my eyes," said Hernandez, who figured it was his first home run since Little League. "I was happy and I was thinking that’s all I need—four runs."
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 24, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't East Coast Bias
That was taking the best pitcher in the game and projecting an improvement in his numbers as he switched to the easier league, a bigger pitcher’s park and a pre-season-thought-to-be powerhouse offense. PS his ERA is still 2.93, it’s not his fault he can’t get wins.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
by joker24 on Jun 24, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touche...
he’s lost his last three starts while posting a 2.09 ERA. The Mets problems are not in the rotation—it’s in the inability to score runs with all the good hitters that they have in their lineup…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 24, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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