Game 77 overflow III
by lboros on Jun 22, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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Printshouldn't izzy get a save for that performance? . . . . . i'm watching from a hotel room in portland, headed to a wedding in an hour. c'mon cards --- win it soon.
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whoaholy shizite!!!
welcome back izzzzzzzy!
Why don't we get glausy eyed and put back some franklin's....
did i mention....
whoaholy shizite!!!!
A WIN IS IN ORDER.
Why don't we get glausy eyed and put back some franklin's....
by punksoulbrutha on Jun 22, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be remarkable
if this game created a Phoenix…......
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
especially since
Duncan and AK came through when all of us were about ready to go do something else….
Noooooooooooo
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
and yes, we have franklin
but we need to score some runs
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
a la
Lidge?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
totally ruin his career in the process
"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama
I don't believe what I just saw...
He lulled them to death (smoke and mirrors) and then finagled his way out of it!
mattnj
Franklin for the save (hopefully)
who would leave this game?
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Little Nicky
is going ot give us the win
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Is that the nickname for Stav?
If so, I’ve GOT to object. That movie is just horrible. I mean…an abomination! But seriously. Little Nicky is one of the worst movies of all-time.
you mean
let it slide down your throat hole, isnt a comic classic?
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to say...
i’d rather watch Beautician and the Beast. Or, more timely, a double feature of The Love Guru and You Don’t Mess With the Zohan.
the only other name I can think of
would be darling nikki…
and that would just be wrong
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
little nick
does anyone think he looks alittle like a power hitting aaron miles? :)
....my quick smells like french toast...
Nikki Sixx-tyone?
I know it’s horrible
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
how can people hit him
that is the most fucked up delivery
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
lessons learned
what have we learned about pitchers that arent very good?
I think that they pretty much dominate us.
oh, great, now my TBS feed is jacked up. CRAPTASTIC!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone else notice the little hitch
in his delivery?
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, a better looking miles.
Mile looks like a frickin hobbit.
Ludwick/Molina for 2008 All-Star team.
by tangledbrett on Jun 22, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet somewhere on a Redsox board
someone has posted a
“Mr. Glaus have a seat”
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Stava is another
shoulder open, head pulling AAA monstrosity
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
not really
but he definitely needs to work on his strike zone judgment. He’s not working the count at all.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
saw him play last week
noticed that shoulder, too, and the head, too. Didn’t like it, but some players can hit like that. He’s 26, so I don’t imagine he’ll stop.
Stav may not have it in numbers
but aside from the first swing pitch his last at bat, he’s battled off some badass pitches this game
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, and he got robbed of a hit and hosed on that K call
Not a bad day for him
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
for an 0 fer 6
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
geez,
at least if you are going to lose dont lose on your worst pitcher, you know?
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
mind qualifying that?
besides franklin who will close, by the stats Villone is clearly the best option.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you one chance
to take that back
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't need it
we have 4 available pitchers in the pen coming into this inning.
Flores and Parisi both have stats that don’t compare.
Franklin will close.
There’s my cards, your turn?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
Villone’s stats as a reliever:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=villoro01&year=2008#role-sprel
Parisi’s stats as a reliever:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=parismi01&year=2008#role-sprel
Seems like stats, if that’s your leg to stand on, don’t support you.
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm happy to concede
that it didn’t matter regardless :)
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
noted: small sample sizes really hide toolset.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
large sample sizes
at a 5.86 ERA don’t necessarily instill confidence
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed, but take out the philly game where clearly he ended up being a sacrificial lamb (on the back of Parisi’s start no less) and it shaves almost 2 runs off that great old era
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
get rid of the Colorado game in May where Parisi cleaned up Lohse’s mess for three innings
we can play this game all night :)
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
stats win it all it seems when you ignore the starting stats
as clearly he just shown?
starts don’t negate IP, especially when he’s never been classed a reliever (as far as I know).
nonetheless, no dramas now
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
classed?
not really sure what that means, but I’m pretty sure that when he comes into a game later than the first pitch, he’s a reliever
IMO, it’s a shame they keep Brad Thompson-ing him, because I think he can be effective if you just tell him what the hell his role is
is he a starter or a reliever? if he’s a starter and not in the rotation, leave his ass in Memphis – if he’s good enough to be a reliever with the big club, then don’t make him start
either way – tough way to lose
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
highly agree
classed = I think he’s always been a starter and he comes up in a true bullpen situation if there is one. besides with the club I don’t think he’s ever pitched in relief (though I’m sure I’m probably wrong).
was speaking from the gut on the stats, didn’t look anything up and yeah Parisi on the stats as a reliever has been better than villone. scraping by on a few areas, but better.
but what I was saying is that we’re dismissing his starting innings just because he pitched in the first and not in the long role he was coming up here for.
either way, not good for the kid. but then again we had several chances to win this game, and chanced loss quite a few times
agreed on the role comment
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
this is why
I don’t want to see the “McClellan considered for a start” BS
the kid is currently good at what he does – stop f**king with your bullpen guys who are actually getting the job done
Parisi is back to Memphis as soon as someone is eligible to take his roster spot coming off the DL (maybe sooner) – hopefully they will straighten him out, but he may not be longed for MLB
his story seems eerily similar to Reyes for me, he pretty much dominated two starts in Memphis during his time down there between big league appearances
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
highly actually, and if you search my past starts I’ve done a fair share of noting those starts (CG and 7 inning gem).
I’d say it’s closer to a true Thompson role than anything as he’s getting used for whatever the club wants and put out of sorts as he’s doing it.
Thompson is actually pretty good at it, Parisi may not have the mental aptitude to handle it.
and one thing you’ll never see from me, voting K-Mac as a starter. setup guy? anyday. trouble spot guy? if springer isn’t avail. closer? not for a while.
if we need to win it in the 7th, we win it there and K-Mac having the ability to roam innings is a very good thing
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
much many yes agreed
high five AE
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally, its back (my tv feed that is)
just in time to see the third out. yuck!
C’mon Cards! We need to have this game!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
I hope Izzy isn't called on here.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
this is feeling like a playoff game
or w.s.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
Hopefully this game goes on 'til Thursday...
cause without Albert, it doesn’t appear any more runs will be scored today…
2 homeruns, all he’s allowed the entire year.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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huh?
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy now...just an opinion...
Good game going on here…friendly banter…these aren’t the Post message boards.
since when?
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
since when
to the constantly spewing negativity.
most of the things im saying are in serious jest (i suppose this doesnt come out well over a board though, but I do try to make it obviously silly).
Though I admit I dont like Villone much. I think he is the only guy I knocked all day (that I can remember). If I did say something else negative I dont remember it which tells you how non serious I was about it.
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
after you took the time to post a picture of Chris Williams
telling Troy Glaus to sit down and then you typed out 6 lines of pleasedontsuck, I had had it. Maybe it’s the two instances, but the whole effort in doing so is annoying.
way too much time
lol
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We probably lose this game
but it did show a fighting team…..which is more important than a win sometimes…....
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what, Ron, you didnt read my post?
geez.
The freaking Win expectancy graph should have changed just when he entered the game
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great play
miles!
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this game is batshit crazy
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions
SWEET FREAKING HEAVEN
WHAT A PLAY!!!!!
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions
Aaron Freakin Miles
WOW!
WAY TO KEEP YOUR HEADS ON A SWIVEL BOYS!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
this could possibly be his greatest game ever
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone seriously believe this is how are season is going?
I told my girlfriend before the season started we weren’t going to be very good this year. I didn’t think I would be watching a game with this much emotion at the end of June.
Villone deflected a ball to the shortstop, that wouldve more than likely made its way to CF. Miles picked it and made the throw to third for the tag.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
more specifically
miles picked it while running to his left, turned, and threw to third base off his feet
thanks for picking me up
I’m not very good at color commentary.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
ball hit up the middle
off a jumping Villones bare hand,
while runner hesitates, like he is going back to second…then goes to third
Miles gets it and throws him out by a mile
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
fwiw
I dont think I described it half as well as the other posters ;-)
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Neat graphic on the runner
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
This is a character builder.
People taking on the champs….....win or lose….....
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
this is going to be a chemistry booster for the team
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
second inning in a row I think
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
this game is crazy
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I take back all the bad things I said about Villone
who definitely didnt suck
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ummmmm
Lboros made the announcement toward the bottom.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, we're not going to pitch around lead-off doubles every inning
Can we score some runs?
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think I've ever seen anything like this.
Screw MLB for inexplicably blacking out the TBS feed in Memphis.
lboros will never get to see the end of this game
with the pace villone is going. ridiculous. nice to see him get out of it, though
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."
That sort of laziness is not reflective of the spirit of Aaron Miles
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
if i can opt out at any time
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by themanthemyth on Jun 22, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Stringent Requirements for your club...
Can my tattoo be an artist’s rendering of an Eckstein-Miles love-child to maximize gritty-ness?
Asked this in the old thread...
But shouldn’t it be slightly favored toward’s the BoSox?
by duncans_army on Jun 22, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't have the stat
But I believe the Home team wins xtra inning games like 55% of the time…
and WPA is based off historical stats? at least that was my understanding
by duncans_army on Jun 22, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh thank you... wow so even higher than I remember....
can you explain why it goes back to 50:50 at the start of each inning though?
by duncans_army on Jun 22, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
it sort of is
if you did some curve-fitting from the 7th inning on, it would look like the trend was going towards the Boston side…..
amazing game...
What a bunch of unlikely heroes… Chris Duncan, Adam Kennedy, and even Ron Villone!
miles too
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by themanthemyth on Jun 22, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
oops, forgot about miles.
yeah, a 5-hit game is pretty good criteria for that.
They would loop that on sports center and just go home......
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles doesn't swing the bat
He twists the Earth with his feet to give the illusion of him swinging.
less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'
wouldn't it be interesting if the pitchers had to bat
I think I would have enjoyed the wrinkle that would have added to this game.
But it is awesome so far as it is.
hank steinbrenner says
you need to grow up. strategy is for kids, dontcha know ;)
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
This game is so good...
I turned off OK Computer just to listen to it again. I turned it off while I was on the phone, then turned on the music because I didn’t want to jinx it.
Hot damn do I love this team!
by mattisnotfrench on Jun 22, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
Paranoid android
ftw!
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by jealousblues on Jun 22, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
The climax of that song came during the double play. The Cardinals or Radiohead-that’s a tough choice!
by mattisnotfrench on Jun 22, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
let's go Dunc
golf this guy outta here
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
is it just me?
or does Buck Martinez have the most annoying voice ever?
no wonder none of his players ever listened to him.
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
hes annoying period
and his comments are gay..noone wants to lose now…as if they did before..having homfield you get to bat last
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
I've been playing a lot of MLB '08 lately
and, seriously…the pre-programmed Tim McCarver in that video game is more insightful than ‘ol Bucky.
DUNC
showing high flys two abs in a row
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
there ya go
hit the monstah
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
Hoh, YES!
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
woohoo
go lil dunc!
Maybe this will get him out of his funk.
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now it's truly a rare game
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Duncan!
You worthless son of a bitch! Congratulations!
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hey, he scored the tying run against Papelbon, too
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
leadoff double
for the good guys this time.
WTG Duncan…maybe this is just what he needed, a 13 inning nail biter.
Ok, Kennedy, listen up:
Jack this here dong, you lousy son of a bitch!
less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'
How about the slide Dunc?
you had a clear path to the plate.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
when did oquendo
turn into wendell the windmill?
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols had a talk with him
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have sent him
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions
but
McRae would.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Duncan even go for the plate
by The Lou Thorton Experience on Jun 22, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions
upon further review of the play at the plate
I was wrong.
Five yard penalty, loss of down.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that was excieting
sucks to be on the losing end though.
Vtec is tough
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i butchered my McCrae comment
wow, I’m on fire today!
Dangit Oquendo!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
duncan apparently didn't play little league
QUIT LOOKING AT THE DAMNED BALL
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
Oh,
Oquendo…shakes head
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that fly ball
would’ve scored Duncan from third
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
Did Oquendo really send him?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
it seems like they've been testing boston's arms all day
from the outfield
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not at all
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The only close part was that Duncan just tunneled through Varitek
but Varitek held onto it.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
About as close
as the US invading Canada.
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on that play
the only explanation is if he didn’t expect ANY throw
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, evidently you CANNOT score a run in this game
if you get a lead-off double.
Triples, HR’s or NOTHING!
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
At the end of this game, keep all of this in mind
because we’ve earned to lose it just as much as we’ve earned to win it.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
yup
see the hindsight comment
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Is this the longest game of the season?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions
one failure/mistake after another
not great game, just a long wasteful one
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
It would have been fuuny
if Duncan just stops and slaps the plate after Varetek went turtle.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions
how lucky is it
he hit that so hard?
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:-D
stupid friggin decision to send cd
schu’s fly ball would have put us up
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
yeah
bad baserunning/coaching
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
the rationale is that if Oquendo had not sent him, there wouldnt have been two outs, and the fly ball to CF wouldve scored CD.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
drew gets credit for the throw, but that still doesnt make it irrational. At least, I dont see it that way.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jun 22, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
how about this rationale?
who gives a damn about the fly ball – is it better to have a runner at 3B with 1 out, or a runner at 1B with two outs
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
especially since the ball was in the air
before duncan even turned the corner at third.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
ok - fine
he was at second base – but only because of the throw home that waited for Duncan
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no, I agree with you
just trying to do my job…being a smartass and all
pretty sure it is better to have a runner at 3rd with one out
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Uh, oh, only a SINGLE. . .
we’re in trouble now.
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
That was one loud ass single
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
and a bad record i ti when ak is your staunchest hitter
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
GIDP (clap, clap, clap, clap, clap). . . GIDP (etc)
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
another inning or so
and we’ll need another overflow thread. What’s our record number of threads/posts per game anyway?
finally
it’s over
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
Parisi=Angel of death
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
gay
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We lost.
BUT WHAT A DAMN GOOD GAME TO LOSE
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
That's because
he’s dead. Like Clement’s arm, Parisi’s hopes of big league success this year, and numerous other things.
Although I do like your username.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
BLANK, BLANK, BLANK, BLANK (ad infinitum)
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by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
I am thinking Parisi
needs to spend the rest of the year in Memphis.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
thats better?
parisi did well til the shuffling started
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Mike "Memphis bound" Parisi
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
I knew the game was over the moment Parisi
stepped out there
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."
Me too
but in all fairness, I Also figured it was over when Izzy went out there and when Villone went out there.
boo cubs, hooray beer
J.R. really?
I don’t believe you, I just knew it was Cliff
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Should have let him have a lead-off double.
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Dizzy Dean
by '54 Cardinal Fan on Jun 22, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
no way
just a good excuse to send him back to Memphis
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why'd Thompson get sent back down?
Brad Thompson had a pretty solid outing last time he pitched.
boo cubs, hooray beer
yup
obviously TLR didn’t intend on ever using Parirsi unless something like this happened and he had to.
That makes sense
here’s hoping Mike Parisi is in another organization pretty soon.
boo cubs, hooray beer
Mulder apparently returns very soon
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Memphis in June - great Nina Simone song
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Can't complain
great grit; on CD many think you make the defense make the play.
It would have hurt more if it was Franklin blowing it with a 1-run lead.
too bad we didn't get to see Grit go 6 for 7
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Franklin going to be used if we got the lead?
Or was he not going to be used in the game no matter what?
boo cubs, hooray beer
meh
still don’t like it. you should use the pitcher who gives your team the best chance of preventing the opposition from scoring.
boo cubs, hooray beer
to be fair, he did pitch two long ass innings a couple of nights ago
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, that's why I wasn't sure if he was being saved for the closing situation or if he was unavailable entirely
boo cubs, hooray beer
i think we would have seen him had dunc scored
but use the other pitchers since we didn’t.
one thing of note, for the first time in these situations, Tony didn’t go anywhere near Flores. usually he goes to him by now.
good thing if you ask me
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
agree, gotta get there first
as it is, all franklin ends up closing is his locker
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Hindsight is 20/20
And if we got a lead in the 15th and Mike Parisi had to close, people would have their pitchforks in hand when he coughed up a 2 run HR to lose it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I told the missus
“There he is, Mike Parisi, the sacrificial lamb”.
Tough played game, especially in light of the umpires screwing us from the 8th inning on.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
makes sending more stupid
we’re running out of pitchers and they are throwing away baserunners, while we are the visiting team no less!
losing and getting beat is one thing, but giving the game away with mental errors is just not acceptable.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
yeah
right when they sent Duncan home I knew it was bad news
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't even close
that’s the kicker
he was out by at least ten feet
that park isn’t big enough to score on a hit like that – Barton would’ve been out, much less plow-dropping Duncan
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Upset that we lost; can't stand Parisi
But this team played amazing today – they gave it their all. Poor game by Ankiel really hurt us as well but all of the little guys made their presence known. Feel bad for Pinero, he pitched terrific.
(Little confused why Franklin wasn’t used)
I get that you're trying to save Franklin for the lead...
but you have to get there first. My god, there was like a 2% chance Parisi wasn’t going to cough up another fucking bomb.
i pretty much agree with saving franklin
although there is an argument to be made for bringing him in to face lowell and youkillis
No
that is not rational baseball thinking. You had to save Franklin for the save 100%. You can use Parisi, you can use Flores, you can use a starter in relief but Franklin has to be in reserve to ensure you have a reliever that can slam the door once you get the lead.
That Cardinals did nothing wrong managerially late in this game, except using Skippy in the 9th to eat up the final bench player. Tony really went against his own logic by burning up that guy when he already knew the game was tied. Makes that Pujols explanation for the ASG make even less sense.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think the real ASG rationale was
“I don’t want to put my best player in danger for a meaningless exhibition game”
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I wasn't too upset by it
it wasn’t like the Cards were gonna make the WS last year
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I would have considered using KMac for 2 innings
but you can’t keep wearing out that arm.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
if they score a single run, they win instantly
if we score a run, we have a chance to win as long as a pitcher – any pitcher – can record three outs
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
And if Franklin pitches this inning
we have Mike Parisi and Randy Flores the rest of the game. You get to a point in the game where you have to stop playing like it’s the bottom of the 9th and start thinking of it as the bottom of the 7th. They had to get a guy in there that could eat up some innings and Parisi was either going to cough up the lead or eat some innings.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is right
Perhaps we could have gotten a second inning out of Izzy or McClellan. But we’re gonna need those guys against the Tigers, too.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Really, we didn't see D'Artagnan come in in the eighth and choke up the game
so I’m not going to yell at TLR
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
assign a % chance of a scoreless inning to your available pitchers. if you’ve got one at, say, 85% and another at 70%, you have given the sox that 15% differential in winning outright if you pitch mr. 70% because it’s an away game.
the flow chart: PITCH SCORELESS BOTTOM -> SCORE IN THE TOP -> GIVE UP LESS THAN WE SCORED -> IF EQUAL, REPEAT. everything is gated on the first thing happening, so executing it should be paramount. our offense is orthogonal.
you don’t see me calling for TLR’s head over this, but if the game were being played for my life i would go with my best relievers in order of quality. that isn’t the case, and we have more games to play, but with a game off tomorrow the wear and tear wouldn’t concern me so i would simply manage to win.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
But this game in June isn't going to make or break the season
and at this point, the 3 games vs the Tigers were more important. Thus, Parisi needed to burn out his arm and eat innings.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the cardinals’ own recent history has shown that every win counts, and parisi would still have been free to burn out his arm and eat innings after we had gone through the better parts of our bullpen.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
Tony decided that was the inning
I really don’t see why you are faulting him for this. The Cardinals were really trying to end it that inning (sending Duncan) and when they didn’t happen, he resigned to the fact that they needed innings and he needed his dogmatic approach to having his closer in a save situation.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
“that is not rational baseball thinking. You had to save Franklin for the save 100%”
those are your words, not tony’s. i’m not speaking with him or discussing his dogma. the question is whether to use the better or worse of one’s available relief pitchers in this tied away game, and you have implied that it would be not just wrong but irrational to do anything other than choose the worse in the hopes of not losing the game, then scoring, then having a greater chance of recording a save.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
It would be irrational
and I’ve made my case.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
well, if it were “without or deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment”, “not in accordance with reason”, “utterly illogical”, etc i think it would be so obvious that a case wouldn’t need to be made. i’ve provided very specific, i think more specific, reasons for the way i see things.
you have made numerous assertions, and have left yourself in a situation where it would be difficult to reconsider your position because saving face becomes a legitmate concern. few things in baseball are “100%”, and i think you could at least agree that this isn’t one of them.
1: pitch scoreless bottom
2: score in the top
3: give up less than we scored
4: if equal, repeat
that is the basic order as i see it. if we fail at point #1, we instantly lose the game. i don’t think you have provided anything a scientific argument as to why point #3 should be paramount, but i’m still willing to hear it if you have one. i don’t care about who is right or wrong with this stuff, i’m only interested in finding the best decisions using the information currently available to us.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
i don’t care who we have left as long as they have an arm. we need to 1) prevent them from winning and 2) score runs before that should even become a point of concern. you have to develop a lead to create a save situation.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
As Whitey used to say, he had an MVP in the bullpen
a guy that saved the bullpen and bench every year because if they had to get out of town and the game was getting late that it would seriously damage the club, he’d send the guy out there and the game would be over. That guy was Mike Parisi.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
entertaining game, predictable ending
Heroes:
1. Pineiro – the man deserved much better
2. Kennedy – off of Papelbon, no less
3. Miles – 5 hits and an incredibly heads-up play in extras
4. McClellan & Izzy – yes, they got themselves in their messes, but wow, did they pitch out of ‘em
5. Duncan – scored the game-tying run in the 9th, shoulda scored the go-ahead in the 13th
Goats:
1. Ankiel – his misplay changed the whole game; and oh-for-6 at the plate
2. Parisi – Franklin should’ve been in there instead, even with his 2 IP on Friday
3. Oquendo – presumably he sent Duncan; he knows enough about Drew’s arm to avoid taking a risk there
4. Ludwick – his K in the 11th was our biggest out before Drew-to-Varitek
5. Perez – guess we’re finally seeing those “control issues” we all heard about
6. the NESN centerfield cameraperson—clearly drunk; talk about control issues…
Hey, we took 2 out of 3 in Fenway without Albert or Wainwright, and we played our hearts out all 3 games. Think of today as a freebie that got away…
and the NESN announcers
masters of the obvious…talking heads
not entertaining
how the hell did they get those jobs?
mattnj
they're awful
horrible on strategy, totally uninteresting, and frequently keeping us in the dark during key moments (like in the top of the 13th i was dying to know whether kennedy got to second base on the throw… took them about a minute before telling us). my friends up in boston say NESN is “network quality”—guess that doesn’t say much for the networks, does it?
they seemed completely unprepared to talk about anything other than
what was right in front of them. Really weak on analysis. They had no idea why TLR come up to umps after Casey’s first at bat…most announcers would have known or tried to venture a guess…totally clueless…
mattnj
as good as the apologists on tbs?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
seriously, the nesn guys just show up and talk...but they had nothing to say.
they didn’t seem to know their own team that well…and the criticism on coco crisp for not catching kennedy’s double was rediculous… they had to blame someone because they didnt want to blame Papelbon
mattnj
2 of 3 is nice, but we let kc leave +3
that’s bad <.500 math. i don’t expect the cubs will settle for a good showing. we just aren’t good enough to give games away like this (listening secret weapon?). leave cd at 3rd w/ < 2 outs and we have a real shot at winning, and then franklin can come in. letting drew beat us with a simple throw on a slow runner is inexcusable.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
Yeah, Oquendo probably cost us the game
that and the Ankiel error are pretty looming on this game.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
agree
no free pass for rick (0-6) ankiel letting that ball drop
luddy could have helped too, but was flatout overmatched with bases loaded situation
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
lots of blame to go around
and there’s not guarantee Skip knocks in Duncan from 3rd. We saw Boston strand guys at 3rd all extra innings long.
o guarantees, but playing those odds means oquendo should never go to vegas
on the other hand, he’s welcome at my poker games
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
I'm not saying that's a reason to send Dunc
I’m just saying that even if he hadn’t there’s no way to know that Oquendo lost the game for us since we don’t know if anyone would have plated Dunc.
i know this is heresy
but i don’t totally care what the cubs do. that’s just a recipe for masochism, as they’re clearly the best team in the league. in order to maintain my well-being, i’ve set the wild card as my target.
We have to stay close to the Cubs
because if we don’t, the Brewers will likely blow right by us.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not so much a cubs things as sayingit doesn't matter who you beat, you just have to win games going 3 and 4 last week is not good for any aspirations, regardless of what chi or mil is doing
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
don't we just have to do better than the brewers then?
i.e., there are many scenarios where the cubs leave us in the dust and we still make the wild card. think astros in ‘04.
I'm pretty sure the cubs leaving us in the dust
is a foregone conclusion. I’m not positive though, i need to ask Al.
I don't think it matters.
We have plenty of series left against to cubs to catch up ground, or get blown away.
We need to focus on 20 games over
and shoot for it, because if we’re beat out of the wild card at 20+ games over, they’ve earned it
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Just keep winning series, boys. No need to focus on the Big Blue Menance to the north until October….provided the Lil’ Bears make it..
by 10worldchamps on Jun 22, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I've said it before and I'll say it again
with the way the cubs are playing, if we can stay within 10 games of ‘em we’ll win the wildcard walking away.
I don't even fucking care
Playoffs or not, this is going to be a fun team to watch this year and, from the looks of it, years to come.
Just no stupid trades trying to chase down the Cubs is all ask
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Ah well, that was a great baseball game
and we still took 2 out of 3 from the best home team in baseball. Lets go to Comerica and kick some Tiger ass.
boo cubs, hooray beer
This one stings a little
Because we should have won it.
But, we took the series from defendly World Series champs and the Best team in the AL on the road. And it took everything they had to avoid getting swept.
Finishing the season 5-1 against the AL East is nothing to sneeze at.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Against the top 2 teams in the AL East - not the crappy Orioles and Blue Jays like the Cubs/Brewers get
boo cubs, hooray beer
epic game
glad it’s over cause I got shit to do.
Parisi needs to be sent down.
Hooray Kennedy, Duncan, Izzy.
Hopefully Perez is going to get his shit back together.
Tough to waste such a gem by Pineiro.
Underestimate Aaron Miles at your peril.
Ludwick, Glaus, Stav, Ankiel: 2-22, 2 BB, 8Ks. Ouch. It’s a freaking miracle this game was anywhere near close, cause the middle of the lineup hardly did anything.
Bring on Detroit.
Hope not.
He played one game at first and then half a game at catcher.
exactly
so why is anyone pissing on Stav. Some damn nasty stuff being thrown today.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no one's pissing on Stav
It’s just 2-22 out of your 3-4-5-6 hitters is horrible. Rookie making his debut or not.
I didn't mean that guy
it is the one’s saying he sucks after his first game. Infuriating
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
asking a lot
putting him in that high in the order right off, on the other had he had a better day than rick and same as luggy?.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
alright
here come Stavinoha’s diapers. Better put him to bed now with Mike Parisi, Joe Mather and Anthony Reyes. Hush little baby don’t say a word, Tony’s gonna buy you a safe little protected spot on the roster.
sure but it looks like he can't go the other way
and is overmatched on the outer half of the plate.
If I were pitching him I’d throw outer half all day and watch him hit weak flies to right
I hope he proves me wrong.
mattnj
he went the other way
for his only hit of the day
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
overmatched?
look, I’m not on the bandwagon yet, and it’ll be quite a while before I am.
but he faced some badass pitchers today who weren’t just throwing gas, but gas that moved.
He had one bad plate where he jumped on a first pitch curve, otherwise he had solid cuts and high pitch counts in the rest of the at bats. he was also robbed of an easy double.
play the overmatched card if you like, but if you ask me. that was Rick today, not stav.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well said
Ellsbury’s catch robbed not only a hit – but probably an RBI too
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Once he had the nice line out they consistently pitched him outer half of the plate
we’ll see what happens but it looks like he’s got some real dead zones in his swing
mattnj
yeah
he needs to cut down on that swing a bit. A little too much from the heels too often for my liking. But he’ll learn one way or another.
he had 1/2 the middle of the order hits,
not stav’s fault
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
i haven't looked at gameday to double check what I've noticed
but if what you say is true, then ok.
a batter no one has seen yet (well, at the ML level) smokes a ball that was pitched inside. then gets a hit with a ball inside.
Wouldn’t you light the gas and slam him outside the rest of the game too?
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
b/c I sure would, and he still fouled off some badass w/ movement pitches.
just sayin’
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
its really not a matter of where all the pitches are charted....some are set ups
it definitely looks like he is challenged going the other way. Fine if you can pull everything with authority but it doesn’t look like he can. He may be a great “mistakes” hitter…for all I know. I would pitch him outside with junk and try to make him pull it…..easy out.
Hey,I hope im wrong…just an observation.
mattnj
i’m playing devils advocate and giving him some creditability on the pitches he took cuts on.
I'm not about to defend the guy after seeing 6 at bats (or even 60 for that matter). Just noting the talent level of the guys he faced today and the movement they had. He picked up some solid pitches that I thought he would have been burned on. (and rick and luddy were burned on).Just giving ya a hard time on the overmatched wordage, want overmatched? Rico Washington vs anything above 89mph :P
We’ll see what he does in Detroit and Kc
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
should read
(or even 60).
sb borked it
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
got to give Glaus some cred too. his two strikeouts could have been walks as well. his eye was there, but he didn’t get the calls that he got a couple of pitches earlier
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
not any different than anyone else on the roster
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
cept for Grit Fucking Miles
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe so
but a flat as hell 85mph fastball at knee height that he lipped? I wouldn’t be upset that he swung, just that it didn’t go as far as shoulda.
That pitch was gravy, give it to him ten times over and see what happens.
hell, give it to me ten times over and see what happens.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
LaRussa isn’t going to get upset over swinging a completely hittable pitch. Some people put way too much into silly rules like “always take a pitch”.
Perez needs to string 3-4 good outings in a row to get his confidence back
the kid has filthy stuff, but it’s in his head right now.
boo cubs, hooray beer
he
has a great slider, he needs confidence to use it, because he’s barely using it.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Baseball Tonight...
just showed Giambi’s mustache which, apparently, is died black…anyone else seeing this? Dear lord.
Maybe the 'stache
did die and that is why it turned black.
Giambi's stache
couldn’t carry LaRue’s stache’s jockstrap
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trade
la rue’s stash for giambi’s bat?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
I am not sure I would go for that
the stache might be the heart and soul of this team
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
a very costly loss
not only the obvious… but Kennedy gets a few key hits and Izzy wiggles out of another self-made jam. If Tony thinks Izzy is “back” and AK deserves more starts, that means more loses immediately down the road
I disagree
We got into a contest with the champs. Their hero’s stood up, as did ours. If we sweep, its a fluke. We won the series in their house, and in doing so revealed allot about the character of some of our ball players. Everyone must bare wittiness to the best of their abilities. Perez isn’t ready to close under pressure. Parisi will be leaving…....along with Flores me thinks. Know one here knows the fine print on the Insurance agreements concerning Mulder, even though Carpenters situation has been revealed some what. We really need someone to step up and back up Glaus a third. The guy needs time off if he is to be expected to produce…........ Ankiel’s approach at the plate really can’t be hid any longer. He needs to be hitting 6th or 7th, and I think needs special coaching. No reason Yadi can’t spell Albert at 1st….... Duncan earned some respect today, but needs to find another team. He could be a good player…...but he is not what this team needs…...... Hard-core’s take on the pitching moves of Tony today, I think are solid. I think we are short a bat off the bench and at third base behind Glaus. I like Barton but there is better talent to be developed than his. He will be involved in a trade probably in coming days.
Izzy can be a help in the bull pen. He can inspire young players…..... just don’t close with him, please.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 22, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
agree on rick
maybe he needs extended st like izzy to get his mojo back.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
I hate it too when people succeed
why be a fan if you get depressed when players on your team come through?
If Mulder doesn't become unglued in Memphis on Monday
he will be the starter for the Cardinals on Saturday in Kansas City.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 23, 2008 1:43 AM EDT reply actions
ugh
wasn’t Muldoo’s return the beginning of the end of last season? I wish him luck, but i have a feeling we’re just giving a game away.
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.
the difference is
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe last year when Mulder made his debut is was painfully obvious in his starts at Springfield and Memphis (did he even make any Memphis starts?) that he was no where close to being ready. This year, at least his velocity is up and he’s putting up numbers that would justify giving him a shot.
seems to me
that he hasn’t really “put up numbers that justify giving him a shot” yet. I’d like to see him make 2, maybe 3 consecutive minor league quality starts, with no excuses like “yeah, they got 11 hits in one inning, but they were all singles”.
With his experience level, he should be able to beat minor leaguers on sheer acumen alone. If he CAN’T do that, then he’s just going to get shelled at the MLB level and it doesn’t do him or us any good.
"If thats bad luck, lets DFA our luck away." -DriverZN
Man 2008 sure ain't 2007
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