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Game 77 Open Thread -- June 22, 2008

Pineiro

Lester

2-3, 4.02

6-3, 3.18

Jon Lester is a talented young lefty.  He sports the season's only no-hitter and is 2nd on their team (among starters) in ERA and FIP.  The Cards have actually done fairly well against lefties so far this season.  Of course, most of that's been w/ Pujols in the lineup.  Our BB rate, K rate, and HR rate are all better vs. LHP than RHP.  The team has a respectable .261/.351/.409 line against lefties.  <p>

 

 

As for Pineiro, he's gotten his ERA down to 4.02 and his FIP to 4.03. Much of that is b/c of his low BB rate -- 2.3/9 IP. He got off to a slow start but was very good Tuesday, with the team taking a hard luck loss when the offense was able to muster 1 run and Ron Villone gave up the game-winning homer in the 8th. Hopefully, we can get Pineiro some Mitch Boggs-run support today.

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i love that movie

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes!

Pineiro has morphed into Wainwright and Lester has morphed into Oswalt! Those lefty/righty matches are going to have to be changed…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 22, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

man.

I got scared for a second TBS had it blacked out. Games on 5 for us in St. Louis.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

man

seeing Wainwright’s photo is taunting me. and it sounds like he’s going to be out for a while

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Rain

Is there any word on whether this is a short delay or a monster one?

"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Jun 22, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not even raining now

I think they are waiting for one more shower to hit, then they’ll pull the tarp off

by cloistermaximus on Jun 22, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

last year

We got radared out in NY. Never rained and they just kept the tarp on the field.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

radar

Doesn’t look too impressive….

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOLOLOLOL

anyone here who thought is was a crazy idea to put Yadi at first.

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

pretty crazy, but not quite the craziest, TLR move

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying I suggested it in a gamethread and people jumped on me

glad to see it’s actually happening, just to annoy those who didn’t want it to.

We’ll see if it works out.

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope no other IF sails a throw into the basepath,

and gets Yadi clonked again. Course, with no Miles at SS, the chances of that happening are much smaller.

by fuegophil on Jun 22, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

that’s what I would think. they must be pretty worried about Stav’s defense at 1st

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

I’d like to see Yadi on the bench until he’s good and ready to catch again….

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not b/c Stav's D is that bad, Just there is a better chance that Molina would go catch then Stav going

Just there is a better chance that Molina would go catch then Stav going to the outfield. And if he was Dh we would lose it.

Yadi is my hero

by Big Phil on Jun 22, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Opps

sorry for messed up post

Yadi is my hero

by Big Phil on Jun 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe you me...

This duo is much better than Caray and Don Simpson talking about Sonic drive-in every single game. I loved watching the Braves but had to mute the TV and listen to the broadcast on Gameday Audio.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

TBS question

What happens if this game doesn’t get started for an hour and maybe has a delay? What does TBS do? I doubt they stick with the game, right?

(Tried to use up my daily quota of question marks, is that okay?)

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

So KSDK is a LOCAL St. Louis channel...

yet MLB blacks out the TBS broadcast for the entire Cardinal viewing area? How fucking stupid is that? I can see it being blacked out in St. Louis to protect KSDK, but I’m in Memphis. I see FSN Midwest games, but obviously not KSDK games. This is so irritating…

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I can understand that being a bit of an annoyance...

TBS is blacked out here in Springfield, but we’ve got the feed on Channel 3 KY3.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just doesn't make any sense...

It’s MLB being unfathomably lazy and not updating its ancient blackout rules.

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the problem is that they ARE updating them

it just seems like they’re getting progressively more draconian. I’m amazed my mlb.tv is working here in Austin.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I had heard that, too...

but for some reason I thought it didn’t really affect anything until 2009. Maybe I’m wrong…

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But fear not!

I can watch Mariners-Braves and Reds-Yankees. Not that I give a crap about either…

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can top that

the Indians are on STO, a channel I don’t get. Yet, I’m still blacked out from their games on MLB Extra Innings because of some archaic blackout ‘zones’.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to play more Lefty pitchers

Only way to get a half decent lineup out there.

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

"Listen...

I told you, I want the Reebok endorsement. ... ...YOU SAW THE HOMERUN YESTERDAY, RIGHT? RIGHT?! Get it done.”

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

talking to his agent

about an upcoming endorsement deal with Acme Sandpaper.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

there goes the tarp

they interviewed Ludwick too

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea!

Tarp comes off and the Bill Engval show is on!!! I’ve never seen this episode, I’m stoked!!

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I've heard of it

just never seen it.

Bill Engvall as a child psychologist…..

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

how hilarious would it be

if Cincy sweeps the Yanks in New York and STL sweeps the Sox in Boston…..NL CENTRAL UBER ALLES

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Cubs are in a good position to sweep the Sox too

Dempster is unbeatable at Wrigley this year. I wouldn’t be suprised if they shut ‘em out today. As long as the Cards sweep too I’ll be ok with that.

by cloistermaximus on Jun 22, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be friggin awesome

it would back up my argument for NL Central being the best division overall

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, you don't enjoy TBS "Original" programming?

Yeah, it sucks. But they could have stuck you with ‘House of Payne’. So feel blessed…

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it is

for what ever reason, this is what “family programing” has become.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naked arguing

somewhat amusing, but I wouldn’t want a 10 year old watching this in the middle of the day waiting for the baseball game.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

that little kid

just said “Hell if I know”

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I'm still really imprssed with Nancy Travis

Sort of caught me off guard. So much hotter than when she was in So I Married An Axe Murderer.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

she’s hot

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Becker!

How dare you forget Becker?!

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad

although I never really liked that show.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was good in Cheers...

but for some reason he’s always angry on Becker. I know it’s the character, but it wears thin quick…

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

George Wendt and John Ratzenberger

and to a lesser extent Woody Harrelson are the only reasons I watch Cheers.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kirstie Alley killed that show for me

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kirsy Alley

has killed many things. Such as my childhood with the movie Toothfairy.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weirdly, she wasn't obnoxious in Star Trek II

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't kill

Star Trek

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And speaking of Cheers

the NESN color guy’s accent is a full Clavin

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 hot chicks though

Nancy Travis, Shawnee Smith (of Saw fame), and Terry Farrell made it watchable.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's how I feel about

Two and a Half Men. The show sucks out loud but there’s always random hot chix on…..

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

rarely does a kid on TV get better with age

but that kid has the stupid thing down cold

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely LOVE 2 and a Half Men

the later seasons are MUCH better than the earlier one’s though.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can hardly go through a episode

of Two and a Half Men without my jaw hurting from laughing so damn much

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats where i've seen her

man you just answered a question i have had for some time…thanks

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 22, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much longer...

do I have to watch this Giants/Royals game?

Come on, you Beantown creeps. Pull the tarp.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I think they pulled the tarp already

they’re doing warmups now.

I think they were overly cautious. It cleared out quickly behind the cell that put the tarp on the field….

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

almost forgot

LET’S GO SPAIN!!

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmph. The things people amuse themselves with

until the One True Sport, involving the One True Team, is on again.

by StanTheManFan on Jun 22, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I equate this...

to when people say “baseball bores me.” You just have to delve into the game and understand what’s happening on the field. People who think baseball is boring don’t understand everything that is happening with and between every pitch.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say that

because soccer people are usually the ones to point out to me that baseball is boring before I say anything about soccer. sorry for venting on you, heh

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll never forget Jeff Gordon's line

during the 94 (?) World Cup…..”international soccer is the only sport where you can get up to get a beer and not worry that you missed anything….”

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be honest...

I love baseball with all my heart and soul… but soccer has taken a close second recently. The 2006 World Cup changed the way I love sports. It made my life as a fan better.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

2006 World Cup

I was in London for that summer and watching it with die hard soccer fans was awesome. I got so enthralled that I took myself over to Dortmund, Germany for the Germany/Italy semi-final. One of the best sporting events I’ve ever attended.

"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Jun 22, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an Australian Dual Citizen

Aussie was screwed in the Italy v Aussie contest, easily. Penalty kick my ass.

(was there to see that game, and Aussie v Brazil)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I was rooting for Australia, that was a great game. Those flopping pretty boys from Italy were terrible.

"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Jun 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

An Italy/France match up

is nothing but people falling on the ground

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of leagues and club teams

but I really get into the International games (World Cup, Euro, etc.). Something about the nationalism or something.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a giganto Fulham FC fan in EPL.

And this season only solidified how huge a fan I am. I followed Brian McBride (SLU, people!) to them as he is my favorite footballer period. Now he’s left us, though.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah cmon

you actually like soccer than el futbol de americano?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do.

I love Throwball, though, don’t get me wrong. It’s an amazing game, but the passion in soccer ranks it higher than Am Football for me. Don’t mistake that to mean that I’m not a crazy hardcore football fan, though.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it seems like a limited skillset though

there are more athletic plays made in baseball and football. but to me, soccer would be the biggest test of endurance because they are constantly running around in circles

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soccer players don't contantly run

There’s actually a lot more standing around and walking than you would think.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

now

Aussie Rules Football is a whole different matter.

When planting a foot in the back of your opponent when you’re catching a ball isn’t only a good idea, but recommended, that’s brilliant.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It pissed me off when ESPN stopped showing Aussie Rules Football

and I can’t find it anywhere else

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Setanta Sports

It’s expensive as balls, though.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to drop HBO anyway

may my cable company has that on the sports pack

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll look around

and see if I can find it, I believe you can get it on an ip stream for “nothing” on a site.

seen several games in person. talk about endurance.

Go Richmond!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

even the refs

kick ass in Aussie Rules Football

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got

I’ve got the Time Life commercial for Flower Power. This is awesome.

"Jimmy told me, 'If you keep it right there at two runs and no more, we'll win this game,'" Wainwright said. "'Me and Albert will get the job done."

by Andie203 on Jun 22, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Way off topic here...

but why don’t the Cardinals wear the alternate Sunday cap on the road? I don’t really like it anyway, but it seems like it would go well with the road uniform. To be honest, I wish they’d drop the navy hat altogether and go back to wearing red hats on the road. They do during spring training and it looks good…

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the road hats

and for some reason I thought they did wear the alternate on the road. hmmm…

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the navy hat...

I just don’t feel like there’s enough red in the road uniform.

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 22, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I would love to see red on the road, too… IMO they could take the names off the back of the jerseys while they’re at it.

by baw on Jun 22, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

bad idea

like the names, otherwise it’d all be no name guys with numbers in the 60s.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was that guy

leading off for the Cards?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, I guess you can't put up four runs in the first every game

Hold ‘em down Jo-El. I know that nothing will annoy Sox fans more than getting beaten by you.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

al and john

just referred to miles’ hr yesterday as “monster”

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Jun 22, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

you see it?

it landed in the first row in RF!, lol.

if drew didn’t lose it, he may have had a play on it

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Drew should have caught that.

But it did go right over the 380 sign….when it left the bat it I thought it was straight down the line, where the corner turns way in, but he hit to the actual deep part of right field.

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

i was lol’in where it fell in relation to drew, not the length of the hit

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

make no mistake, when Miles hit that I roffled….

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all fairness...

he probably hit that thing about 390 feet.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

saw it

not making fun of miles, just al and john.

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Jun 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

it is 380 to the wall there.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dodged a bullet with that one

Nice play barton, be careful out there, Rick

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

Rick didn’t realize how fast barton was.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice play Bart!

glad no injuries there

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Lot of flyballs for Piñeiro

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If hit to the right areas

they’re fine. Lot’s of room out there in areas.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Right and Right-Center at the Fen are cavernous.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's by design

outfield outs = nobody throwing to Molina….

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like Troy Glaus.

Not just as a good ballplayer, but he’s just got a damn decent attitude. I like his demeanor.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

And

I’ll take a 20HR/100RBI season from him any day.

"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 22, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't Stav drafted in '05

who’d of thunk he would make it to the bigs before da Raz?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Colby's downfall...

is a lack of facial hair. It’s a team requirement.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did his cuts look?

He sure seen an arrangement of pitches in that at bat, how were his foul offs?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Truthfully, he looked capable.

He was fouling pitches off, he wasn’t hacking like a rookie.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

he doesn't hold anything back

apparantly you don’t walk off that island

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

at least we can’t be “no hit”

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate youkilis

I dont have a reason to either. He just looks like a jackass.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

awesome name though

have to admit, watching the WS and playoffs last year and hearing the crowd erupt “youuu”. was pretty kick ass

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't he the one

that got in a fight with Ramirez?

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

conflict of personalities

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem was

Manny has a personality and Youk doesn’t.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youkilis

Should high-five more fans while playing.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that

and manny didn’t get off the bench fast enough in a bench-clearing brawl

by baw on Jun 22, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

because Youkilis was acting like a child after striking out

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

see above

manny didn’t get off the bench fast enough in a bench-clearing brawl

by baw on Jun 22, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was just a rumor.

Youkilis acts like a child after he makes a bad play EVERY time and everybody in the dugout is sick of it. When Manny spoke up, Youk had something not so polite to say in reply and Manny smacked him up a bit.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone

get that guy some ritalin already.

"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 22, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice Joel

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

OT: after that ankeil homerun yesterday

i started wondering what jd drew thinks about the whole ankiel power pitcher to power hitter transition…weren’t they both with the cards at the same time?

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 22, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yadi

you know I have a man crush on ya, but I do on Albert too. Since you’re playing first can you go all “El Hombre” for a day? Just a day will be fine

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

one could hope..

better off going for the traditional “World Peace” bit instead I s’pose.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's 4:00 am here, this game better be worth it.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 22, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

take some pitches!

jesus! run Lester’s pitch count up….

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

how many pitches has Lester thrown?

I’ve never seen so many first pitch swings since – well – the last Cardinals game

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Piniero is averaging 11 an inning

should the red sox fire their pitching coach too?

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever

its ridiculous either way.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

has less to do with the pitch count or Lester

than the fact that the Cardinals have been swinging at too many first pitches all season

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it's a strike

why not swing? might not get another one to hit with a guy like lester

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are changing your argument

At first you said they were swinging at too many first pitches, didn’t say anything about if it had to be a strike or not. Sooooo, if it’s a strike you CAN swing on a first pitch?

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not changing my argument

I’d like to see them take a strike here and there too – make the guy throw some pitches

I was responding directly to your argument – they’re not always swinging at strikes either

so if Lester throws a strike on every first pitch, you’d be ok with the Cardinals swinging at every single one?

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's thrown 30 strikes out of 48 pitches

he’s hitting the zone. If you start taking pitches against this guy he’ll eat you alive. Now, since it’s getting latter in the game, if you want to start working the count a little more, thats fine. But it you go into a game against a pitcher like this and your plan is to take pitches, you’ll be in for a long day (and it’ll be over in a hurry).

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

won't argue with you there

but I’d bet a number of those 30 strikes are swings outside the zone

either way, you won’t convince me that they shouldn’t fire Hal McRae :)

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

cause it helps

a guy who’s got command like Lester does….that’s how he gets to the 8th inning having thrown only 90 pitches.

by nota bene on Jun 22, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing Piniero was covering

Can’t trust Molina on a ball hit 2 feet from the bag.

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

lol Molina

He seems to be really good at blocking balls.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the LaRussa Comment there

“That’s what your glove is for!” Can’t believe we just saw Tony laugh during a game. The attitude this year is definitely a positive.

by birdo rojo on Jun 22, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I just hope nobody slaps Yadi in the head for congatulations

like they used to for JEd. I remember, after his concussion, yelling at the TV ” hello? don’t hit him in the fuckin head”

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much Grit on that ball

2b couldn’t handle it.

I’d like to see a combo of Miles getting driven in by Fat MIles

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

.222/.301/.455 career line against LHP

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

cmon Ludwick

2 hit into double plays man?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Miles should run the 100m Hurdles

in the Olympics. China needs to be introduced to pure grit.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that'd work

He’d have to do the 100M hurdles though – they’re the female version and only 33 inches. He couldn’t get over the 110M at 42”.

by birdo rojo on Jun 22, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn he has a good eye

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

wow.

That was a nice play.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

web gem

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 22, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice hit Nick

Too bad their was a great play on the end of it.. it had double written all over it off the bat

by cloistermaximus on Jun 22, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

We could have gotten to lester that inning

Ludwick hit a ball hard but into a DP. Nice play by OF’er there. Really didn’t get a good out that inning.

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

How much longer do we keep 0's on the board?

Pineiro is letting those balls go awfully high and awfully deep.

by mynameistyler on Jun 22, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

7-4 ground-fly outs

He might give up a long ball. But as long as he doesn’t walk people he’ll be fine.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

piniero is rolling

3 hits a piece though

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

We need to get Waino, Welly, Lohse, and Piniero

going at the same time, we could put together a really good run with a little help from the O.

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we're overreacting to the article today

All the other pitchers that were listed as having similar injuries came back in 4-6 weeks. Don’t think there was any new news in that article to change the original projections.

by birdo rojo on Jun 22, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No love for the loop?

He makes a great 5th starter for that group.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I gave Loop some love

Got shit for it. Then he throws a CG. The Cards like to defend my posts.

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's been doing a good job this year

I’m sort of surprised, yet impressed

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ank

I’ll take another XBH here, thanks

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

close

if only it were miles :(

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

rick

if you would have hit it just a little harder…. double

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh Shit

LaRue is regressing to the mean. We’re in trouble

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

ok

his mean

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

5th inning

If Joel gets through this scoreless, it’ll be a minor miracle. He hasn’t seemed to be able to do it over his last few starts.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

to beat lester @ fenway

going to need quite a few miracles.

by TheBirds on Jun 22, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a bad feeling about this.

That they’ll get the 1 run. And because of the late start it will be all we play. And we end up with the loss.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

The radar and sky are looking like we may get into another rain delay.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

then I misread what you meant by the “late” start

by Tackle Box on Jun 22, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of what happens today

We have to give the starting pitching some cred. I mean, since that 20 run meltdown we’ve had some damn good pitching from a…”lackluster rotation” (espn radio quote)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

heyoh! pickoff.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 22, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yay!

Molina picking dudes off even when he’s not catching. Hee-hee!

by cloistermaximus on Jun 22, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hahaha

Nice one!

But I don’t like to see Yadi diving.

by six on Jun 22, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

probably not for the best there

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 22, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like it

just as long as he doesn’t dive onto his head.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 22, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

competitor

if you let him play – there’s no way you will be able to keep him from doing stuff like that

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell yea molina

showing the athleticism…great move piniero

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 22, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

overflow = up

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 22, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

HA

take that you smug punk!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 22, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

go go gadget bullpen!

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 22, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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