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There’s a lot to discuss on this Sunday morning. First of all, somebody please explain this to me. We get swept, at home, by the Royals and then immediately head to Boston and are, conceivably, on the verge of sweeping the Red Sox? WTF? This team is so difficult to figure out.
Secondly, Mitch Boggs wasn’t at all good yesterday but, once again, he managed to survive and is now 2-0. He’s given up 3 HR and has 7 BB and 4 K’s in 16.2 IP. And yesterday’s game was the first in which he’s had more fly ball outs than ground ball outs. Still, aided by an 8 run outburst against Dice-K, he was able to help out our bullpen by getting through 5 innings. This shows the value of assessing pitchers based on wins and losses, as the team is averaging almost 8 runs of offense every time Boggs takes the field. Nevertheless, it counts as a W. BTW, though it probably didn’t make a lot of difference, McClellan was fantastic yesterday – a good sign just a couple of days after giving up 2 late bombs against the Royals.
Though Boggs stay in the Cardinal rotation probably won’t last much longer, I do think that Boggs may have a future among the starting 5. He needs more time at AAA, and his ceiling is probably that of a 4th or 5th starter. Still, if he can turn into a guy who gets ground balls, he can probably give the Cards some value as a cheap starter who provides a league-average or so ERA for a few years. He can probably be as good as Braden Looper and the ability of a team to pay its 4th or 5th starter $1 M or less (as opposed to Looper’s $5.5) is underappreciated. He’s certainly been better than Parisi (though that doesn’t say a whole lot) and, after getting some more work at Memphis, can probably return next year and provide the team a good deal of value for the next few years.
More good news – it appears as though Wellemeyer is on the verge of returning to the rotation. He threw 40 pitches yesterday and was able to spin the slider solidly out of his hand w/ no pain – a great sign. He appears to be on track for a start Thursday against the Tigers. The same article suggests that Mark Mulder (yippee!) could be nearing a return to the rotation as well. I have no idea what to make of this. I’ve been extremely bearish on Mulder’s return but the recent reports that Mulder was hitting 90 and 91 on the gun, throwing strikes, and getting ground balls w/ his new delivery was reason for optimism. Then he was bombed in his last start for the Redbirds and I thought, "here we go again." I realize that Boggs needs more time at AAA but does anyone really have high expectations that Mulder’s going to be a significant improvement over good ‘ol Mitch? Not me. I sure hope to be wrong, though.
It also appears that some guy named Pujols is on the verge of returning to the lineup . Does anybody know anything about this guy? I was ecstatic upon reading this though I have to admit that the fact that Pujols is returning so quickly scares me a little. Let’s be sure you’re healthy, Albert. Still, he managed to get by in 2003 (I think it was ’03) when he played LF and practically had to roll every ball hit his way back to Renteria. In ’06, he returned from injury much more quickly than anyone anticipated and did just fine. I wonder if he’s pushing his luck but it’s difficult to argue w/ success. He’s a bad mamma-jamma and, unquestionably, would be a big boost to the offense.
The news isn’t so good for Yadi (as the previous link indicates). According to the article, Molina suffered "a regression in his performance on the imPACT concussion screening exam." In other words, he’s still suffering from the effects of last Sunday’s concussion. It may end up being no big deal, as Molina said that he didn’t feel any worse yesterday than he did Friday (when he homered as a DH). Still, we’re talking about a concussion which, as silentbob (our resident injury specialist) told us Tuesday is really a "brain contusion." It’s a brain injury which means that even minor setbacks shouldn’t be dismissed casually.
Was it 2006 when Jim Edmonds suffered from the effects of a concussion that stayed with him for a good chunk of the season? He banged up against the CF wall chasing a ball and the effects of that concussion lingered for the entire season. Of course, we know that a concussion ended Mike Matheny’s career. Now, I’m not at all suggesting that Yadi’s injury could be career-threatening. I am suggesting, however, that the effects could last for a while and, forgive me for saying this, but the man’s health is much more important than his baseball career or the team’s success this year. Personally, I want Yadi to get better, whether that means he’s back in the lineup today, heads to the DL, or is out for a month or more. It’s a brain injury and team doctors need to be certain that he’s better before having him strap on that gear and get beaten up 5 games per week.
Now, how do we know that there’s a new Cardinal injury? If it’s a day that ends in "y", we know someone else must be injured. Our newest injury belongs to…(drum roll, please)…Cesar Izturis, come on down! You’re the next contestant on "The Bandage Fits Right!" Nick Stavinoha will be the latest Cardinal to sport the number of an offensive guard on the diamond. I’ve been aware of Nick since he was on the baseball team for 1 year here at the University of Houston while also being (I think) the deep snapper for the football team. (Maybe the number will be perfect for him!) He left U of H, played a year at a JUCO (I think San Jacinto – also here in the Houston area) and played 2 years at LSU. He’s got some power and a .375 OBP for Memphis this year. The article says he might be in line to play some 1B, as his numbers have always been pretty good vs. lefties, but he’s played a grand total of 7 games at 1B in the minors – none since 2005. With Jon Lester on the mound today, I think there’s a pretty good chance that Stavinoha will be in today’s starting lineup. If so, he’ll be the 9th Cardinal to make his major-league debut so far this season – and we’re not even at the freaking All-Star break yet. So many rookies isn’t totally unheard of, but it just doesn’t happen on teams with the 2nd best record in the league.
Finally, the prospect of Stavinoha playing 1B today leads us to the inevitable discussion of one Christopher Edward Duncan. Since he arrived in the big leagues, I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Duncan and have been a big defender of his in threads throughout the season. His career numbers include a .350 OBP (he walks), a .490 SLG (he hits homers), and an OPS+ of 116. These are, at least, solid numbers from a guy who earns less than half a million dollars per season. Last year, he struggled in the 2nd half and it was widely attributed to a hamstring injury he incurred (I believe) chasing down a fly ball last July.
However, I’ve heard nothing (correct me if I’m wrong) that his struggles this year are at least partially the result of lingering effects of this injury. To be blunt, since the All-Star break last season, he has stunk. Since last year’s All-Star break, he’s had 346 PA’s. He missed some time b/c of the injury but I think we all know that some of the time he’s missed is the result of ineffectiveness. Does anyone want to see him at 1B today against a good, young lefty?
In those 346 PA’s, he has 66 hits – that’s a .220 batting average. Now, I’ll be the first to tell you that there’s too much emphasis on batting average, to the exclusion of on-base percentage, but .220 is bad…period. He’s walked 44 times over those 346 PA’s – a .318 OBP. Just for perspective, Izturis’ OBP this season is .315. He’s reached Izturis-levels of offensive ineptitude. In those 346 PA’s, he has 12 2B’s and 9 HR’s. 21 extra-base hits in the Cardinals’ last 152 games! Oh yeah, and he’s struck out 93 times in those 346 PA’s. The bottom line, of course, is that he’s been downright awful.
So what’s the deal? First of all, he’s become A LOT less patient at the plate. This should be unsurprising considering the drop in his OBP. In 2006, he saw 4.09 P/PA. Last year, even considering his 2nd half struggles, he saw 4.15 P/PA. This year, he’s seeing 3.64 P/PA. He’s seeing half a pitch less every time he steps to the plate. He used to be a very patient hitter. Now he’s Rick Ankiel (in terms of patience). Now, Ankiel’s come a long way in terms of his patience at the plate, but he’ll never be confused w/ Kevin Youkilis or Adam Dunn.
In looking over his numbers at fangraphs, none of them really stand out. I expected to discover that he was swinging at an inordinately high % of pitches outside the strike zone, but that’s not the case at all. For the season, he’s only swung at 15.87% of the pitches he’s seen outside the strike zone. That’s actually 2.5% less than Pujols has swung at in the same situation so it doesn’t seem to be a concern. In looking at his batted ball statistics, his line drive % is ok (22.6% -- higher than his career average), his ground ball % is about the same as his career average, and his fly ball percentage is right around career average as well. There are 2 things, however, that stand out. The first is that his HR/FB rate is inordinately LOW. The reason for that is the other thing that stands out – his infield fly ball percentage is 22.2 % -- almost 3 times higher than his career average entering the season. Only 2 NL batters who qualify have a higher IFFB%. He’s popping up the ball, seemingly, all the time.
This tells us, of course, that he’s not centering the ball. Why? I don’t know. It could be b/c he’s impatient and out on his front foot all the time. It could be that, even though he’s swinging largely at strikes, he’s swinging at a lot of pitcher’s pitches. Maybe he’s not seeing the ball well. Maybe he’s doing something funky with his swing. I don’t know but there’s little doubt right now that his offense is hurting the team.
One thing I do know is that, in order to fix his approach at the plate, Duncan needs to play. Earlier in the week, I was a pretty staunch advocate for keeping him with the team, rather than sending him to Memphis, with the belief that he’ll be playing (most) every day w/ the big club and he’ll get more out of hitting big-league pitching than AAA pitching. Plus, I didn’t really see Stavinoha or anyone else doing much better than he’s doing right now.
However, if Pujols is indeed due back sometime this week, it may be time to reconsider Duncan’s status on the roster. I find it hard to believe that Mo and Tony (or Tony and Mo?) will keep Stavinoha when Pujols returns and send Duncan down but, with Pujols returning, it’ll be difficult to justify Duncan playing every day. He’s nowhere near being better than Skip, Ludwick, or Ankiel in the OF. Now, the team will be using a DH Thursday through Sunday so he could play every day for 4 days at the end of the week but, after that, I don’t see him getting a lot of PA’s w/ the big club unless he starts hitting a lot better very quickly. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him once again sent down at the end of next week. It’s time for Duncan to get back on track if he’s going to be a legitimate major-league hitter.
Cards go for the sweep today. We’re 1-4 this year when going for the sweep of a 3-game series, winning only at the end of the season’s first week against the Nationals. It’ll be Pineiro against Lester.
I'll have a game thread up around 12:15. Go get 'em, boys!
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On your above injuries
-Jim Edmonds received his concussion from the vicious collision he had chasing down a gopher ball given up by Jason Marquis during the massive beating the White Sox put on him in interleague play. I wonder how that duo is working out in Wrigley? Whoops.
That game was part of a sucktitude dou-fecta in which Mark Mulder (with his arm hanging from his body) was shelled by the Sox as well. So, if he returns this week, in good health and as a viable #4 option in the rotation (and his GB rate says he should), it’ll be 2 years almost exactly since Mark Mulder was last considered a ‘good option’ for the rotation.
-Chris Duncan’s injury last year was a sports hernia, if I do believe.
-Albert Pujols returning too early? Well, if Chipper Jones can play on days he is supposed to be unavailable with a torn leg muscle, maybe Mang can come back after 2 weeks?
When Pujols returns, if Molina isn’t back to good health, he should be DL’d retroactively to Saturday. They shouldn’t let him PH until he is ready to actually play because they don’t want to force him out for a month (by DL’ing him for 15 when he only needs 7), if you get my drift.
Friendly reminder to everyone: Sunday’s game will be in glorious TBS Hi-Definition, with the very low-quality broadcasting by Chip Caray and one of 3: Ron Darling, Buck Martinez, or Jim Kaat. I’m hoping for Kaat or Darling!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 22, 2008 3:13 AM EDT 0 recs
Oh, and bonus points
for the first person to name the 3rd pitcher to pitch during that series from hell in Chicago. Hint: They used up all but 1 of their hits in those first 2 games.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 22, 2008 3:15 AM EDT
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Wasn't that the series where Reyes almost no hit Chicago?
by KYCards on
Jun 22, 2008 3:43 AM EDT
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yep
1 hitter and he lost….so far from what we see today out of him
by StLHugo on
Jun 22, 2008 8:03 AM EDT
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Even a near sighted, flat headed pig finds an acorn etc….The best are separated from the rest by consistency? The kid should have gotten that game.
by cardschinmusic on
Jun 22, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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stupid Thome
I mean, stupid offense. I believe Contreras four-hit us in that game also.
by Phizzle on
Jun 22, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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I must comment on Jim Edmonds......
Two home runs in the same inning-opposite field, one off of a righty, one of f a lefty. I can’t help but be happy for him. Sorry. The man still wanted to play, so good for him.
Marquis has done well enough for them. As long as you accept him as your #4/5 starter and don’t expect more of him, he’s fine. In fact, a lot better than most 4/5 starters-he takes the ball every 5 days, plays his position well, hits a little, and every once in awhile will throw a gem. The Cubs overpaid for him, but that’s their fault. I never completely understood the Marquis hate here…......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 22, 2008 8:12 AM EDT
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I didn't either, Jills
Duncan, could have had a little more patience with him, He could have been the difference in winning the division last year and certainly could this year. I have watched his last two games and his stuff is good.
by ridgesee on
Jun 22, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
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Umm...
I don’t think a league-average starting pitcher going every 5 days would have prevented the Cardinals from completely tanking in September…
by LukeMP1186 on
Jun 22, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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I don't know if we really hated him
I don’t hate any Cardinal, I just get so frustrated. I think the deal with Marquis was his maddening inconsistency. Well that and his seemingly insistence to think he could throw that fastball by people whenever he got in trouble. I might remember things wrong, but it seemed that way.
Maddening inconsistency!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jun 22, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
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Perhaps Larry Rothschild has a better plan for Marquis.
A plan that works better to his type of pitches, and realistic expectations of what he can do….he has not been a world beater, but since keeping your team in games is your job when you are the #4/5 guy in the rotation, he has done that.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 22, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
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I don't think it's the plan
It’s the offense behind him. He wasn’t so bad in 2004, either.
by Red in Chicago on
Jun 22, 2008 10:38 AM EDT
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Marquis BB to SO ratio is as bad as its ever been, the ERA is in mid fours as per usual, WHIP is per usual so hes right on track with almost all lifetime numbers and Card numbers, so I think any talk of Rothchilds “better plan” is something someone wants to see vs. something that is.
He is on track to hit fewer batters this year and possibly give up fewer than 20 HRs (Im guessing 23 this year)...he does seem to have matured given his natural aging process since going to the Cubs, Rothchild has a 30 year old version of Marquis.
The second half tells a lot about Jason, lets watch that plan in action.
by cardschinmusic on
Jun 22, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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marquis = reyes,
deja vu all over again
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 22, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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It's his attitude
Living in Chicago he was at the center of another controversy during Spring Training. He was asking to be traded or released if he wasn’t guaranteed a spot in the rotation.
by birdo rojo on
Jun 22, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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DING DING DING!
There’s a lot of guys worse than Jason Marquis, but his attitude was (is) sickening to say the least. I’ve never really been s happy to see a guy leave St. Louis.
by LukeMP1186 on
Jun 22, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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Realistic expectations?
The guy has one of the nastiest sinkers in baseball, a legit ++ pitch, that Duncan wanted him to use a lot b/c, well, holy shit, it was a good frickin’ pitch. Instead, Marquis wanted to throw his 93 mph right down the middle and throw it past guys. It would be like Brandon Webb (whose sinker is clearly better, but still…) wanting to throw a four seamer by guys. Marquis wanted to go to work with his worst pitch. Yeah, that one’s on Duncan alright!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on
Jun 22, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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I conquer...
Quite happy for J.Ed, he wanted to play out his contract, nearly lost the opportunity to do so, and has found himself in a pennant race with a chance to go out on top.
On a side note someone posted a thread on Bernie’s pressbox expressing the disappointment in a comment J.Ed had made in a local chicago newspaper. that being… “Whenever you get done tying me to the Cardinals, it’ll be fine so I can start getting a little bit of Cubs’ history in my background,” The commenter went off on a tangent about how Edmonds was admonishing his credibility as a cardinal and doing so unrightfully. How dare he express such a sentiment, he is guilty of high treason, etc, etc. (editors note I am highly paraphrasing and editorializing).
I really thought the Cardinals faithful were a little smarter than this really. Don’t jump on the guys back or anyone for that matter, because he is asking the faithful of his new team to give him a shot in their uniform before they dismiss him as the devil incarnate. Honestly do you think that comment was suggesting that Edmonds was really washing himself of the cardinals? He was simply implying that he has the integrity as a player to give his all to the team that is paying him for his services.
I mean really, if the Ruth trade were to happen today do you think that he wouldn’t ask the same of the Yankees fans?
While we’re at it I can please ask that no fan in Busch Stadium ever throw a Homerun back out onto the field, Please? and should you watch this happen… BOOOOOO the sorry son of a bob that threw the ball back. I will step off of my soapbox, I just grew up loving Cardinals Baseball as the antithesis of Cubs Baseball. Can’t we keep it that way?
by streamman on
Jun 22, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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C.Duncan/batting practice/hitting coach
Was wondering if anyone has seen Duncan take batting practice this season. I’m wondering if he is still hitting them out of the park during BP at a good rate or he is just poping up to the OF hitting line drives or what. In other words is his power just completely zapped or not.
As I posted a few days ago…I think Chris could really benefit in having “fresh eyes” to see what he is doing wrong with his swing/approach/ect. Hal McRae doesn’t seem to be helping him at all and I’m not sure if Hal is even working with him or not. I really wish or wonder if Chris would seek out some help from a guy like Larry Walker or Mark McGwire to maybe help him and show him what he is doing wrong. If Tony really loved him (and we know he does) I would think he would have tried this by now? Maybe he has but I kind of doubt it.
by KYCards on Jun 22, 2008 3:35 AM EDT 0 recs
I agree on Larry or Mark
Chris works with Mark enough that I think he could benefit from that, otherwise I think he could benefit from Larry coming back for a bit.
by StLHugo on
Jun 22, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
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Treat Mark and Larry to some golf in Florida. Send Duncan on the DL and trip him down there. Put them both on each side of Dunc and let them have 15 days of reprieve and see if he can quit lipping the ball and put the barrel on the bat.
Extra Bonus? Hurry up and sign Wallace already and before you put Wallace on a team… send him down there with those two boys too.
I’d pay to sit in the stands to watch that interaction for a couple of weeks.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 22, 2008 8:09 AM EDT
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quit lipping the ball and put the barrel on it*
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 22, 2008 8:10 AM EDT
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agree
i argued for cd to memphis the other day, buy i think is a better idea: the izzy approach. extended spring with different coaches and quickly, i hope, back up the ladder. can’t really trade him or play him as things stand and memphis didn’t produce good results.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 22, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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I agree... Where's Hal McRae?
I’ve wondered the same thing about McRae and Duncan. McRae HAS to be working with him. I would be shocked if he’s not working with him every day. Obviously it’s not working and I would like to know why. Maybe Gould or Strauss can figure this out.
In the meantime, somebody else should be looking at Duncan. Tony, call Walker or see if you can get McGwire off the golf course.
by jdubya on
Jun 22, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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RIP DK
not to bum every one out this morning, but six years ago today we lost DK. i just thought it some one should say some thing about it. i don’t know if his teammates & family will ever be able to recover from his loss.
RIP DK. you will never be forgotten.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jun 22, 2008 3:57 AM EDT 0 recs
I remember I was going to watch that game on WGN
but time went on and on and no one knew what was happening, until eventually we all heard what happened. it really shook me up, the next couple of days were just weird, such an unexpected thing
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jun 22, 2008 4:03 AM EDT
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Yeah, got up early that day to check the game time
There was a strech that almost every time we had tickets, Kile was starting at home so he became a personal favorite and pitched some breathtakers against the best in the league. Sorry for his family, but they are doing well per most reports.
by cardschinmusic on
Jun 22, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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I was at Hobbit Hoagies on Pensacola St. in Tallahassee, Fl.,
the afternoon that DK passed away. I remember sitting there with my then galfriend, eating lunch, and an interruption of the golf tournament caught my eye (mostly becuase of the big StL logo in the top right corner). Then, a pic of DK’s face came up and the words, “Today, the St. Louis Cardinals, and DK’s family have lost a team mate, a father, and a friend.”. I dont know if I’ll ever forget how I felt that day.
My thoughts and prayers continue to be with his family, and the Cardinals organization.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
Jun 22, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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thanks for the reminder
nothing but tragic regardless of how much time passes.
by sdesserman on
Jun 22, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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Was driving home from a weeklong camping trip when I heard the news
Didn’t even know Jack Buck had died four days earlier.
by Phizzle on
Jun 22, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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agreed. SLG is also inflated by a high AVG, but a .173 AAA ISO seems fair.
2006 – .297 .340 .460
2007 – .261 .309 .373
2008 – .346 .375 .519
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on
Jun 22, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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I'll have to
respectfully disagree with a couple of things hc.
Boggs did fine yesterday, given the situation. Ellsbury lipped a nice fastball with fairly nice break down the left field line. Ellsbury will do that to about anyone. After that and especially in the second Boggs kept looking to try and establish the outside corner against the lefties. He wasn’t getting the calls when it was close, and with an 8 run lead, and after the coach to the mound talk, he left it alone and relied largely on the fastball, and all in all it treated him well.
Just saying when you’re playing Boston… in Boston and you’re already a two trick pony (his change is no where near ML ready) and you end up basically throwing one pitch and still beating them it says a lot in my book.
I agree with the let him bake more in Memphis approach, I think he’ll be fine. But he wasn’t awful. 8 run lead with his fastball and the movement he was getting, you throw, not pitch. and outside of the first two batters in the second, he did just that.
and while Mulder’s line looks awful in that game, I wouldn’t say he was bombed, it was more of a death by a thousand paper cuts. Lots of singles, from what I’ve read some not hit terribly hard just not the greatest defense backing him up.
If he gets a similar result at the ML level, we’ll be fine. That being said I think I would like to see another outing down there by him. Boggs did well enough for another start.
He looks as if he is in line to pitch against KC, who’s left handers aren’t exactly world beating. I’d give Boggs another start and let’s see if Mulder can continue to get the ground ball rates he got last outing.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 22, 2008 8:06 AM EDT 0 recs
That being said
While I don’t like the injuries, I would much rather test the water with Mulder with the ML team when we’re in need of arms. A hell of a lot better situation than what we were looking at doing when he was “on his way” back up real early in the season.
Listening to “game day” on ESPN radio last night as I was getting ready to get out of town for work and one guy was really taking swaths at the Cardinals. We’re not a “top 12” team, we’re way out of our league, Boston just had a couple of bad days, we’re in a weak division (the WEST? Hello?!?) etc. I was thinking about the fact that it takes us beating Boston twice over to get noticed by ESPN, or a kick save.
Then the other guy behind the mic has a rant of his own. “Never count out a team that has Wainwright and Pujols on the same team being coached by Tony and Duncan. I didn’t think they stood a chance at the end of 2006 and I’m still feeling that one. I won’t discount them.”
Let’s keep chugging along and prove MSM that it doesn’t know shit. Again.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 22, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
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I think he did fine too
but I think HC hit it on the head. To be a consistent starter he needs to get a better BB/K ratio going. It is only 16 innings of work though, he should be able to turn it around.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jun 22, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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agreed. not saying he’s ML ready now, he’s a stop gap. I’d like to see those numbers improve as well. and I think they will once he solidifies a changeup that is average/average + and can use it against lefties.
But with the movement on that fastball of his, I could think of a lot worse to “work on” to get ML ready. i’m liking Bogg’s pitches and his bulldog approach to the right handers. It’s a blessing that he’s getting run support, but I wouldn’t call that his saviour just yet.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 22, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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A lot of people
Where jumping on D. Duncan when he said that his offspeed pitches needed more refinement. I guess he was right though.
I think Boggs has done everything asked of him and deserves another chance.
by Evilfrog on
Jun 22, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
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Definitely
and I think it’s hard to be anything but happy with how he’s performed, given the sub-ideal circumstances he’s pitching in. Hopefully this mlb stint will be a good motivator/learning experience for him, and he’ll come back to the big club even more ready to compete.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Jun 22, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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i’ll go ahead and be a negative nancy – his AA and AAA K/BB is a disappointing 1.87:1.
boggs 2008 MLB: 6.56 FIP, 5.92 xFIP, 16.7IP, 4K, 7BB, 3HR, 2HBP, .492 SLGA
parisi 2008 MLB: 4.11 FIP, 5.54 xFIP, 22.3IP, 13K, 12BB, 1HR, 0HBP, .500 SLGA
glancing over the two, the only edge i think i could cleanly award to boggs is a much higher GB%. parisi has horrible LD% and LOB% – so bad that it would appear to be either an aberration or that he has no business pitching. i presume the former because he does okay in the minors. frankly i wouldn’t like to see either of them start for us, and don’t think that they project to be positive pitchers, but if development is the goal i’d rather see parisi start again than boggs because he appears to have more peripheral upside.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on
Jun 22, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
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If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 22, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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welly
i wouldn’t mind seeing the col get a bit more rest. if he feels fine now, he’ll feel better after missing another start. it seems like the cards want to always rush players back . . . or they put too much faith in the players word when the player says he is fine . . . mlb ballplayers are like middle school boys—often too stupid to admit when they are doing something that isn’t the best idea in the world
"I wouldn’t have seen it if I hadn’t believed it.’" ~Shannon
by sprfldcard on Jun 22, 2008 8:28 AM EDT 0 recs
Duncan's eyes
do not appear to be seeing the ball clearly. I’m kind of neutral on him, having advocated his trade to the AL after 2006- just don’t see him as a viable player in the field (anywhere). He should be better than this offensively. As HC points out he’s now played nearly a full season at the .220 level with alarmingly little power. He looks like he doesn’t see the ball, resulting in a high percentage of popups and weak grounders. Right now he’s not worth anything, either to the team or as a trade commodity. They have to get him straightened out before they decide what to do with him. Add him to the growing list of things that need decisions. Right now I don’t envy Mo.
by vinniefromjersey on Jun 22, 2008 8:29 AM EDT 0 recs
As bad as Duncan
has been at the plate, he has surprised me with his 1st base play. He has made some good plays defensively. He has really been no slouch at all in the field.
by ridgesee on
Jun 22, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
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Duncan’s been great at 1B. You can see he’s much more comfortable at that position. He’s a 1B/DH and he needs to be traded to an AL team.
by jdubya on
Jun 22, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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surprisingly good, no need for him to be a dh, he is a very competent 1st baseman
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 22, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
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Before we get all mushy
about Duncan’s play at 1B, his RZR thus far is .667. I know it is a small sample, but his history in the minors was as a not particularly good 1B. He hasn’t blown any plays, but there have been several that he just hasn’t had the range to make the play.
Bring back El Hombre!
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
Jun 22, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
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Chris's daddy is pretty famous
for analyzing pitch sequence’s and batter tendencies. Some times when I’m watching Chris at the plate, I get the very strong impression that he is looking for something, and it rarely seems to be the ball. He appears to be concentrating and very focused, but with little results. The recent spate of pop-ups looks a little like an attempt to get his power numbers back up with the old upper cut swing. I think he would do better elsewhere. He needs a hefty dose of good old fashion “see the ball, hit the ball”, and a little less father / son rescuing….. Elsewhere…...
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
Jun 22, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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Mulder
If we bring Mulder up and he sucks are we stuck with him in the ML? Do we even have the option to send him back to them minors?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 22, 2008 8:43 AM EDT 0 recs
via DL
as far as I know, that’s the only way.
I guess we can tempt fate with the waiver process, I don’t know if anyone would even consider snagging him.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 22, 2008 8:46 AM EDT
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there’s minimal harm in taking him for free and stuffing him in AAA. i think he’d easily get claimed.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on
Jun 22, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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they’d be taking on his contract as well wouldn’t they?
not saying no one would want to pay out the remainder of this year on a flier, but it does make the equation a little harder to justify
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
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ah – you are right, i was wrong! i misunderstood the waiver process, but have now read about it. it looks like it would work out to be ~3M pro-rata 2008 with an 11M club option for 2009. i think the club option bit would make him really intriguing if the amount weren’t so high. waivers can apparently be cancelled if one makes a claim, so it’s not clear to me why that doesn’t happen more often outside of psychological concerns.
FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG
by astrostl on
Jun 22, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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As they are exhibiting with Clement
if he sucks, they can put him in the bullpen. And he can’t be worse than Flores.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 22, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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Duncan must be sent down
I don’t see how this is even a discussion but more of a slam dunk. He was sent down earlier and everyone was pretty much in agreement that it was the right thing, that he was hurting the team. Well he was terrible in the minors and absolutely terrible so far since being back in the majors.
So whats to discuss???? Get him out of St. Louis!!!!
Boggs was just fine yesterday. #5 starter in Fenway. I’ll take that outing everytime!
Milt Thompson FTW!
by gossard56 on Jun 22, 2008 10:12 AM EDT 0 recs
Boggs did what he had to do with a lead
Just get out of innings without getting torched. He got spotted a big lead early and let his defense win the game for him by not letting balls get over their heads.
by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 22, 2008 10:30 AM EDT 0 recs
Amaury Marti
Anybody know where he is these days? Looks like he started the year in AAA, but I can’t find anything on him recently.
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 22, 2008 10:41 AM EDT 0 recs
he is Mexico
he is a devil I assume
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jun 22, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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He is Mexico?
Or he’s in Mexico? Could be either, I know.
by Red in Chicago on
Jun 22, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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it is Amaury Marti
he is Mexico…for once I don’t regret the typo
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Jun 22, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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Not in STL's control?
Thought he was hitting pretty well in Memphis earlier. Am I missing something? Did we release him?
by SoonerfanTU on
Jun 22, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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He's just on loan to the Mexican club
Teams will “stash” players in other leagues from time to time to free up space in their farm system without having to really lose that player.
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