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Time to re-balance our portfolio

In the investment world, it's necessary to re-balance your portfolio from time to time.  The same is now true for the Cardinal roster.  There are several underperforming "funds" that are wasting our teams chances to win.  Let's look at who I think are the biggest offenders.

Star-divide

1. Adam Kennedy - He can only play 1 position.  What does he do for this team at 2nd base that Ryan, Miles, or Izturis cannot?  We don't need 4 sub .700 OPS middle infielders.  It's time to give his roster spot to someone who has a chance for an extra base hit.  If Kennedy were a stock he would be Ford or GM.  The good ol' days are over.

2. Brian Barton - Make no mistake, I believe Barton has talent.  The problem is that LaRussa is not going to play him enough to justify a roster spot.  We have plenty of outfielders; this team has more pressing needs than a project like Barton.  If Barton were a stock, he would be some alternative energy company (all promise, no profits).

3. Randy Flores/Ron Villone/13th pitcher - If LaRussa is unorthodox enough to bat the pitcher 8th, then he should be able to try the exotic experiment of carrying only 1 LOOGY.  I understand that we need innings protection with the recent run of injuries, but you can solve that problem by giving one of the LOOGY spots to Parisi, Thompson, etc.  These guys would be any company that is currently under bankruptcy protection.

4. Chris Duncan - When he's right, Duncan can provide something this team desperately needs...power.  The problem is that Chris hasn't been right for the better part of a year now for various reasons.  You might as well give him about another week to earn his keep.  If Duncan were a stock, I say he would be AB.  Whether you like it or not, the takeover is inevitable!

The hardest part of the roster equation is who takes the open spots.  My first candidates would be Mather(if healthy) and Stavinoha.  At least that would end Braden Looper's career as a pinch hitter.  It's also about time for Mozeliak to swing a trade for at least 1 upgrade to this roster.

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Looper's hitting .400

Keep him in there!

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 20, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love your priorities

and your reasoning: good post.
1. a one position MI, who is average at the best of times and is now a shell of his former self. No brainer, nuf sed.
2. since Schu/Ank/Luddy are young, and can and SHOULD play every day, Barton assumes a relatively unimportant role. He’s ok, but the Cards might be better served by an older OF who is used to pinch-hitting (maybe someone with pop).
3. correct that we don’t NEED two lefties in the pen, and Flores seems erratic (and might be a second offering piece in a trade of some sort.)
4. I’ve always loved the Dunker, emotionally. But he can only play 1b, and I think we already have someone there.

p.s. I’m happy to see you didn’t rag on Miles. I think he’s a plugger and fine for what he SHOULD be asked to do for us. It’s not his fault that he plays more than he should—better MI mates and Tony quelling his incessant roulette line-ups would calm the Miles scapegoating.

by the Tewk on Jun 20, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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2 – barton has some of the best stats in the ML as a PH, to get rid of him to get someone older that “has some pop” doesn’t make much sense, he’s filling his role nicely. 3 – agree, we don’t need two lefties, but we’re also still under Tony, so we’re gonna get them. Flores seems to have Izzy like issues, locating and collapsing when runners are on, Izzy’s were just more personified by being in the closer’s role.

Miles is fine as long as he’s not over exposed, and right now. He is.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 21, 2008 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

roulette line up

i like it. tlr must fiddle to show how he can outsmart everybody and make the whole greater than the sum of the parts. if he has great parts (e.g., 2004) his tinkering can’t undo the talent. maybe his tinkering has had a benefit this year, but i don’t believe it. i realize we have no great middle infielders, but i don’t see why he insists on putting these odd combos out there that don’t play to the player’s strengths. there is no reason, other than some emergency, for miles to ever play short, much less 3rd, when ryan is healthy. i think tlr must get bored between games and has to tinker. he is much better once he game begins, i.e., much better after the first pitch than before it.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 21, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

barton has 33 sub plate appearances with an OBP/SLG of .333/.419 – the NL average is .331/.410.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 21, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

correct to “above average”.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 21, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diversify

To me, if the Cardinals were stocks then that would be the adage I would be all over.

We have 5 OF in the ML with one that would be easiest to send away. Barton could become a solid trade chip to someone who’s willing to deal with the Rule 5 for the last few months of the season. I can think of a few teams off hand that would like to have an OF of his caliber, but he’s not hurting us within his role IMO.

We have 3 OF in Memphis that have reasonable numbers to warrant a call up should that be an issue. Mather, when healthy, Stavinoha, and Razza. These three at worst have played well enough to play everyday in Memphis. Which is creating opportunity cost for Jay who’s lighting it up in Springfield.

3rd base is reasonable at the moment, but may have some issues. We have Freese who’s starting to find his feet in Memphis but would have to create a lot more thunder to not get overlapped by Wallace who will be coming on his heels the next couple of years. As far as the ML level we’re in a place where Glaus is set with us until the end of next season. So if we have Wallace going to 3rd when Glaus’ contract is done, then Freese could become expendable. At least that’s an ‘09 issue, keeping in mind that if Albert gets his elbow worked on and it proves to be ok, Albert could technically go back to third and Wallace could man 1st. That’s a worst case scenario.

We have 4 MI who’s hanging around 80-60 OPS+. Iz can leave after this year, he was cheap and worth while. Kennedy can be DFA’d unless someone will take him while we pay a large chunk of his contract. Keep Ryan and Miles on the roster. They’re great utility men than can play a range of positions in a pinch. Barden is starting to make some noise in Memphis and there’s Kozma and long range out is Niko.

Our Pen could be filled largely internally. One left hander would be the only thing we would have trouble instilling on our own. Our closer shouldn’t be an issue either.

We have a few starters prospecting, but adding a vet may be a good idea.

Our catcher situation next year will be fine if we’re under a 60/40 split.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 21, 2008 3:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

That explains my infatuation with Barton….I work in the alternative energy industry.

by t7rick on Jun 21, 2008 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps this is a silly suggestion, because I don't know if this type of player exists, or if he does, where you would go to find the information......

but what if instead of looking for a left hander for a shutdown LOOGY-those guys are in short supply-we could find a right hander that is lights out on lefty hitter? Surely there’s a right hander somewhere with crazy reverse splits, no? Wouldn’t that up the Mo/LaRussa/Duncan-see aren’t we geniuses-quotient enough for them to entertain the idea? Maybe even start looking for that pitcher and find him before anyone else does….just wondering

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 21, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we have a couple of those.

K-Mac, and I believe Perez may be there as well. SleepyCA pointed out that K-Mac is really impressive against lefties during the Villone hr a couple of days ago.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 21, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not Perez

K-Mac has a better left split than his right, but Perez surely doesn’t.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 21, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which

may have been the reason that Tony let him pitch to J.D. “I finally found my heart” Drew on Sunday with a runner on 3rd. Listening to Rick Horton try and figure out what Tony was doing was priceless—considering that these guys can’t figure out who is playing where half the time, I’m not surprised they haven’t ever seen a stat-sheet either…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 23, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Barton

I hear you on Brian Barton but once we are the far side of the All Star break, it would be silly to send him back to Cleveland. We have to hold until the rosters expand. I really like Barton as 4th / 5th outfielder. If the Cards finally admit the obvious and part ways with Chris Duncan, I think there is room for a Brian Barton on the Cards. He’s a solid pinch hitter whose speed for late innings is valuable off the bench.

by jjray on Jun 21, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep Barton

It’s not true that Ank, Ludwick, and Skip are young. Ank is about to turn 29, Ludwick about to turn 30, and Skip already 28. These guys might not have long plateaus of peak performance before they decline. Barton, on the other hand, recently turned 26, which is a difference worth considering when imagining 2011 or so. You shouldn’t simply discard prospects, and the team cannot trade Barton.

The questions are (1) is Barton a real prospect? and (2) how seriously is his presence on the current roster hurting the Cards? I think the answers are yes (his future looks brighter than any of the Cards’ other OF prospects, Rasmus aside) and not much at all (as others have pointed out, he’s not a bad pinch-hitter).

by EABinSTL on Jun 22, 2008 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Jon Jay might

argue about the brighter future bit

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 22, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is tradable, but

the rule 5 restrictions go with him

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 22, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of trading Rule 5's

how much is Jim Hendry kicking himself right now after trading the rights to Josh Hamilton 2 years ago? Replace Edmonds’ bat with Hamilton’s in that lineup….wow.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 23, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton

I also get the feeling that maybe the organization was assuming that his knee wouldn’t be ready to go and they’d be able to DL him all year like they did with Carpenter years ago. I think that’s a genuine possibility….

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 23, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rule 5 trades

Wouldn’t the Cards have to offer Barton back to Cleveland before trading him, and wouldn’t Barton have to clear waivers to move to another team? I thought that although the rules allow the Cards to trade Barton, they would not be able to pull it off (because Cleveland or someone else would claim him). But I’m not sure I fully understand the rule, and I’m relying on this.

by EABinSTL on Jun 23, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

He can’t be sent down without passing through waivers and being offered back to the previous team, who wouldn’t have to keep him on their active roster if they re-claimed him. He can be traded to any team, but the Rule-5 stipulations follow him wherever he happens to go.

As I understand it, he cannot be traded back to his former team unless he passes through waivers as well, but I could be wrong on that.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 23, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upgrade the roster with a trade for one player.....

And that one player is Jose Bautista. Yes, of the Pirates. He’s 27, plays third, second, and the outfield. He hits a little, has a little power, a little speed, and he improves a bit each year. I have no idea what Pittsburgh would want, but I know they are focusing on the future, and they woudn’t necessarily have to have a near MLB ready player, because they have needs throughout their system. Oh, and Ian Snell is being examined for “pain that won’t go away” in his right elbow tomorrow in Pittsburgh. He is their ONLY right handed starter. Maybe they will take the unwanted one off of your hands-heck, they have been working with Zach Duke just as long, and they still want to keep him. The Pirates have shown themselves not to be afraid of working with pitchers that have problems-they have a staff full of them. I don’t know if they like him, but if they did, they wouldn’t hesitate because of the past. Did I mention that Pittsburgh has a whole bunch of left handed pitchers. A whole bunch. More than they really should use…......I know there is this big taboo about dealing within the division, but does Pittsburgh count? They may be trading Nady at some point, so Barton could be a fit here as well. If they like him, they won’t care about rule 5-they’ve sail all of their moves are to build a better team for the future.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 23, 2008 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a butcher

at 3B, so he’d be a disaster at second. He’s played 2B to the tune of 11 games professionally, three in the big leagues. There’s a reason he’s not a middle infielder. His .266 projected EqA would look a lot better up the middle.

by haltz on Jun 23, 2008 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fully aware that he's not a gold glover.

I still think he could be a valuable addition. I’m talking about him as someone that could take over the role Scott Spezio had. He’s younger and cheaper too, and our system doesn’t appear to have anyone like him.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 23, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oquendo?

Oquendo did something to turn Glaus into a vacuum at third, maybe he could help Bautista out, too. Maybe.

But it’s not happening anyway because trades in the division are increasingly out of the question these days. The Pirates probably still vividly remember sending Aramis Ramirez to the Cubs for nobody.

by mojowo11 on Jun 25, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ask that question all of the time about trading within the division

because I happen to think that maybe, sometimes, it’s okay to consider it. And I just look at Bautista as a pretty good, flaws and all, all around player. Pirates are under new management, so I assume they know that. I just happen to think Bautista’s skill set would be great to have around…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but

That really only runs smoothly if the deal is perfect—that is, neither team has an equal or better option elsewhere for their player. Are there other teams that would love to have Bautista and would probably give similar value? I’m guessing yes. He’s not blowing any minds, but he’s obviously a useful utility guy.

by mojowo11 on Jun 25, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would leave us out.

Baltimore, Florida, San Francisco, Mets, Dodgers….I could see him fitting there too. Oh, well. I see him fitting here as well….....won’t be happening.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pittsburgh

I love how Pittsburgh is always focused on the future… if I was a Pirates fan I would have had an aneurysm by now. Or maybe just become a phillies fan.

by pete0713 on Jun 23, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Phillies?

No self-respecting Pirates fan could allow him- or herself to become a Phillies fan. It’s close to a Cards fan becoming a Cubs fan. Shudder.

But like you I would not be surprised if the Pittsburgh hospitals have been seeing a lot more aneurysms in recent years.

by EABinSTL on Jun 23, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone have any thoughts on the Mariners 2b?

He has had a decent year and they seem like a team poised for a sell off

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by jealousblues on Jun 25, 2008 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or barfield from Cleveland

He was supposed to have some kinf of unfulfilled potential.

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by jealousblues on Jun 25, 2008 1:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Barfield's hurt.....

but Cleveland did sign Tony Graffinino to minor league deal the other day…...he’s working his way back from knee surgery. Who knows what that does to Barfield’s status…

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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