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still a lot to learn

a little while ago in a game thread, brian gunn pointed out that pujols has stopped taking so many walks. after drawing 41 free passes (12 intentional) in the team’s first 42 games (through may 14), albert accepted just 6 walks (2 intentional) in the 16 games since. is he expanding his strike zone, or is he seeing better pitches to hit? apparently it’s the latter:

ABBBHRAVGOBPSLG
thru may 14 138 41 8 .355 .505 .601
since may 14 63 6 6 .381 .435 .730

the dropoff in walks coincides with the time that ryan ludwick started mashing out of the cleanup hole --- he hit 8 homers during the first 3 weeks of may --- so perhaps teams decided they’d just as soon attack pujols as the red-hot ludwick. it’ll be interesting to see whether teams change their approach now that ludwick has started coming back down to earth.

albert’s more aggressive approach at the plate is mirrored in the teamwide stats. in their last 3 series (9 games), the cards have drawn only 20 walks --- just over 2 a game. during the previous 9-game segment, they drew 38 walks; the two 9-game segments before that, 43 apiece. you could interpret that any number of ways --- could just be random; could be that the cards ran into a spate of pitchers with good control, or umpires with wide strike zones; could be that opposing pitchers started attacking the cardinals more aggressively. whatever the case, the dropoff in walks did not coincide (as it did in albert’s case) with an increase in overall output; the cardinals during those 9 games hit just .229 / .281 / .355 and scored an even 4 runs a contest, yet they still managed to win 6 of the 9.

with the may stats in the books, let’s put the first two months of the season side by side:

AB  R  H 2B 3B HR BB | AVG OBP SLG
april 977 135 273  64  10  20 144 | .279 .374 .415
may 973 124 263  38    4  29 104 | .270 .342 .407

check out the steep decline in doubles and triples; in total-base terms, it completely offset the cards’ may increase in homers. while st louis was cooling off last month, the rest of the league was heating up --- a 16-point increase in ops between april (.735) and may (.751) --- so the cards’ nl ranks in the various categories sagged notably:

RHRAVGOBPSLG
april 4th 11th 3d 2d 7th
may 9th 8th 6th 5th 12th

aside from pujols (9 homers, 1.160 ops) and ludwick (9 homers, 1.124 ops), they just didn’t do much with the stick; no other player had an ops above .777 for the month, and three of the outfielders were in the .600s. only a slightly-above-normal batting average saved the cardinals from complete offensive oblivion in may; they piled up just enough singles and got just enough good pitching --- and good defense, as we saw yesterday --- to hang in there.

can they keep it up? the schedule gets awfully tough the next couple of months. in june the cards have two 9-game road trips and will face a tough slate that features the phillies, astros, red sox, and tigers, plus the resurgent reds on the road. in july they play 14 games against the mets, phillies, and braves, plus home series against the cubs and the brewers. there’s still a lot to learn about this team.

oh, speaking of the reds: am i the only one who thinks they have an outside chance to climb back into it? after a terrible start they’ve won 11 of 17 to get to within 2 games of .500; they’ve replaced corey patterson w/ jay bruce, a move that’s worth at least 2 or 3 wins going forward, and bronson arroyo is starting to settle down, which solidifies their rotation greatly. on the other hand, they still have a terrible outfield defense (w/ griffey and dunn) and their june schedule is nearly as difficult as the cardinals’. i think they’re at least as dangerous at this point as the brewers, who rate as one of the big disappointments of the year so far.

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The doubles falloff is pretty dramatic

Of course, what is worth more in thw way of runs? 9 homers or twenty-some doubles?

Still hoping your preseason Wild Card pick will blossom, LB? I don’t blame you, but the Reds do seem to be surging. How, if at all, does this affect a trade of Dunn and/or Griffey at the deadline?

As a complete aside, Friday night I went to Sec Taylor for the Redbirds vs. I-Cubs, and they did birthday wishes on the scoreboard. It was Rico Washington’s 30th birthday.

by bgh on Jun 2, 2008 9:24 AM EDT   0 recs

Rick and Troy

Seems like they were responsible for a lot of the early doubles and neither are finding the gaps now. Nice to see Glaus hitting though. Hope Ank gets his groove back soon, we need his glove in center.

by paposse on Jun 2, 2008 9:30 AM EDT   0 recs

Pretty much.

Glaus does seem to be comming around. Rick’s bat needs to get going. Has he hit 1,000 PA’s in the Pros yet? Ankiel is someone who can play through slumps because when he isn’t hitting he is still helping the team. (amazing plays in the outfield; big walk to store a run.) He also had a 7 pitch BA that started off 0-2 and with him popping out. Hopefully he puts it together soon.

by Evilfrog on Jun 2, 2008 9:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Storing a run always helps...

you never know when you will need one later… :) i keed, like i am one to talk….

"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on Jun 2, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as he doesn't get caught

When he pulls the run out in a 0-0 game. Umps might frown on it.

Ump: “Um, where did that run come from?”

Ankiel “June 1st game agianst Pittsburgh. Why do ask?”

by Evilfrog on Jun 2, 2008 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahha

“What are you talking about? It was already on the scoreboard “

by sdrone on Jun 2, 2008 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

who's not disappointing?

yeah, thats right, jim edmonds. now hes getting it done and hopefully we can see him at busch one last time. if he doesnt fall off…

by krippledmaster on Jun 2, 2008 9:46 AM EDT   0 recs

A good week a season does not make

I love Jimmy Edmonds as much as anybody and it pains me to see him in Cubbie blue, but the expectations for his production are so low that it would be nearly impossible for him to disappoint. His hot week of a .428 BA has raised his average with the Cubs to .258. His hot week of a 1.395 OPS has raised his OPS with the Cubs to .787. I didn’t even both factoring in his lowly numbers with San Diego.

by bgh on Jun 2, 2008 10:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's batting .178

I still love him, but he’s had 2 good games.

by sdrone on Jun 2, 2008 10:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the problem w/ the reds

is that they’re in the hole and, with a difficult schedule ahead, there’s already plenty of talk about them going all fire-sale on you. If they get a good offer for Dunn, a free agent at the end of the year, they’re liable to dump him, thus ending any hopes they had of getting back in it.

If they’re going to make a move, they better do it quickly in order to convince Walt to hold on to Dunn and anyone else they would consider moving.

by chuckb on Jun 2, 2008 10:03 AM EDT   0 recs

What is the Reds' problem exactly?

I was talking to a buddy of mine who is a Reds fan yesterday about this. I mean, their Bullpen is pretty solid now with Coco at the end and middle relief that seems decent. Their starting pitching has a bad ass 1-2 punch of Harangatang and Volquez, and their hitting seems stacked with power PLUS the addition of Jay Bruce. Why are they sooo far back? Looking at them it seems they are at least as good as the Cubs, yet they are about 9 games back.

I can look at all the teams under the Cubs in the central and see serious holes--Cardinal starting pitching and power production, Brewers bullpen and defense,  Pirates erratic starting pitching and power.  Where are the Red's holes exactly?  It doesn't seem that moving Griffey or Dunn could shore up any shortcomings, because the team doesn't seem to have any. Unless it's their manager.

by cloistermaximus on Jun 2, 2008 10:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i can't figure it out either

i see a lineup that ought to be piling up the runs, yet they’re currently 10th in the league in that regard; the front of their rotation and back of their bullpen are solid. they do suck with the glove, but every team has holes.

by lboros on Jun 2, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well

bruce has only been around for what, 5 days? before that corey patterson sucked a lot of runs out of the offense. edwin encarnacion has cooled after a good start. and despite the good top two starters, #3 and #4 arroyo and cueto have been mediocre at best, and the fifth starter has been a complete disaster. the middle relief – there’s a lot of 4-5 era’s amongst those guys…

i think the reds are a solid team, but their poor pitching depth and roster mismanagement have hurt them.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 2, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that

and Dusty Baker is their manager.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 2, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this has a lot to do with it

coupled with the fact that Griffey went 100 at-bats with little to no power, the Reds couldn’t hit their way out of a paper bag.

And, for as good as their pitching has been lately, Adam Dunn has single handedly saved them 4 wins over the last 3 weeks with late game HRs.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 2, 2008 1:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If I were Walt

I would trade Griffey right after he hits #600. His value for the Reds won’t get any higher and they need to get something for him while they can.

by KYCards on Jun 2, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that kind of was what i was implying

with the ‘roster mismanagement’ remark. ;)

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 2, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but couldn't you say a lot of the same things

about the cards? ie, all the middle infielders have sucked runs out of the offense, ankiel has cooled down after a hot start, the pitching depth is suspect . . . . many have even questioned the roster management of this team, ie the key roles assigned to miles / izturis / franklin, etc etc.

mind you, i’m not trying to poormouth the cardinals. i just think they are not all that dissimilar from the reds. the back end of our rotation has been less of a disaster than theirs, and our defense is much better. but are we really 6 games better than they are to date? the difference between the teams seems slimmer than that to me.

by lboros on Jun 2, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LaRussa > Baker?

Though I don’t think he is 18 games a year better. But when comparing the two clubs we do have a better Manager IMO. So that has to be worth something.

With the way the Cubs are playing right now I’m trying not to compare the Cardinals to anyone this year expect the ‘07 Cardinals. This really helps my moral. Try it the next time they lose 14-4. The difference between this year and last? We came back and won the following game instead of allowing that to send us into a 3 game losing streak.

by Evilfrog on Jun 2, 2008 12:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he is better

I would even say that TLR is probably 10 games better at least.
Winning pct. last five years (including this season as one year): TLR: .567, DB: .496 Difference: 12 games
Over the last ten, the difference in 6 games on average. But often that is what separates a .500+ team from a playoff team.

Here’s how their seasons break down:
Number of Seasons
Win Pct LaRussa Baker
.000-.400 0 (0%) 0 (0%)
.400-.499 8 (29%) 6 (40%)
.500-.599 14 (50%) 8 (53%)
.600-.700 6 (21%) 1 (7%)

First place finishes TLR: 11 (39%) DB: 3 (20%)

I know the TLR isn’t perfect, but what he has done in St. Louis has been nothing short of remarkable. I know that he isn’t due all the credit (also: owners, GMs, and-obviously-players), but you have to give him a lot of it.

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 2, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a joke right

No manager is worth 10 games to their team.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2008 8:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Baker isn't in Tony's League...isn't even close.

The thing that sets Tony apart from the likes of Dusty Baker is that Tony is the master of mind games with players. Tony knows the right buttons to push to get his team motivated and to play the “hard nine” so to speak. He usually gets the best out of his players. Although he’s not perfect at this (it’s not working with Kennedy) he is 9 times out of 10. Baker seems more relaxed and doesn’t maybe push his players or sets up these player competions like Tony does.

Ned Yost in Milwaukee sees this himself and is starting to read Tony’s playbook….such as his “competiton” he is staging between Hall and Branyan and batting the pitcher 8th. Difference is though Yost is not as smart as Tony….but he’s learning.

by KYCards on Jun 2, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'll argue

that the performance of our 3-5 starters has been on a completely different plane than theirs. lohse, piniero, wellemeyer… pick any two of those guys and compare them to cueto and arroyo. then compare looper or thompson to the fogg/belisle monster. we come out way ahead in all of those comparisons.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 2, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

our bottom 3 are looper, pineiro, and lohse

our top 2 are wellemeyer and wainwright — those are our counterparts to their top 2 combination of harang and volquez. our bottom 3 are looper, pineiro, and lohse. arroyo – looper is about a wash; pineiro has been a tad better than cueto. the only real advantage for stl’s rotation is that lohse has been much, much better than fogg.

here’s another way to break this down. their bullpen’s era is nearly identical to ours (4.00 cin, 3.98 stl). our rotation’s collective ERA is 3.96; cincinnati’s is 4.72. the difference there is about 18 earned runs. lohse has allowed 31 ER; fogg / belisle have allowed 55, or 24 runs more, in about the same ## of IP. there’s your difference.

by lboros on Jun 2, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but the overall difference in run differential between the two teams

is a lot more than that. (+23 for us vs. -18 for them, 41 better for the cards overall.) with the offenses averaging close to equal outputs (albeit in different fashion) and part of the difference coming via the fifth starters, taking a peek it looks like it’s the reds’ poor defense that has helped make up the rest of the difference – they’ve given up 27 unearned runs in 56 games to the cards’ 13 in 58.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 2, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would argue...

that the REAL difference between our defenses extends beyond the mere unearned runs differential. Our defense (both IF and OF) is currently so good that we are getting to a TON of balls and making outs that a lot of routine defenses would give up as hits with no errors.

One really easy example: Ankiel’s ridiculous catch Sunday – Very few CFers would have made that play, and if any of them hadn’t caught that ball, 1) it would definitely not have been ruled an error, 2) the runner on 1st might have scored, and 3) the whole inning would have unfolded very differently. Essentially, our exceptional defense is making our mostly marginal pitchers into “good” or even “very good” pitchers.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jun 2, 2008 6:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But

The Reds don’t get to play the Reds and we don’t have to play the Cardinals. That’s gonna have an effect on the winning pct.

Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)

by Tackle Box on Jun 2, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's true

Good points from you and birdo rojo below

But, we’ve only played the Reds in three games so far this season, and are 2-1 against them. The difference wouldn’t be huge. However, the fact that we don’t have to play the team with the 2nd-best record in the NL and the fact that the Reds don’t get to play the team with the 7th-worst record in the NL does make a good difference.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 2, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's because we've won more games

Since we’re winning more games our opponents’ winning should be lower. The 6 additional wins we have over Cinci accounts for over half of the winning percentage difference.

Don’t think we can use the whole “weaker schedule” argument against the Cards on this one.

by birdo rojo on Jun 2, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i would argue

that the chicken came before the egg.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 2, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

make ups

reds to make up for the pre-bruce outfield productivity and we need to make up for izzy’s failures. we could be at least 10-11 better if iz had held up better. i’d agree that now they have a good chance to catch us unless our line-up starts generating a bit more productivity.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 2, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Harrang

Is a battleship of a pitcher. He’s had allot of success coming right at people. People are now standing to fight, and doing some damage. He is throwing pretty much the same stuff, so his year is unlikely to change much. The kids will tire. Even though they are gaining experience, the competition will start looking at a few pitches, creating more pressure and fewer strikeouts. Arroyo is a streaky pitcher, success usually depends on the quality of his stash. No one is going to take Griffey save the Mariners. If they continue to lag they might not take on the contract. Or, they may take him on to sell popcorn. Griffey has a no trade clause which will hamper any efforts to shop him. ........... I’m not a Dunn fan, but the guy is showing very well right now. If they got rid of KG, Dunn would probably become a productive player on a regular basis. Jay Bruce will cool, but if you have seen him hit, he has a swing for everything, a true prodigy arising. They could become a factor if someone will just take the Griff to pasture.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 2, 2008 12:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jay Bruce will cool off but I don't know how much....................

We all thought Ryan Braun and Albert Pujols would cool off their first year up as well.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 2, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We get lucky with the Reds next week

we most likely face Homer Bailey (called up for Fogg), Cueto, and Arroyo according to check of the schedule. No Volquez and no Harrang.

by enoscountry on Jun 2, 2008 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yay, no Volquez or Harang.....

You do realize that the other pitchers we will face are perfectly capable of throwing a good game at anytime, don’t you? Respect your opponents. Never assume anything.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 2, 2008 11:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Still

I’d rather face the others than Volquez for sure

by saladdays on Jun 2, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or Harang

do the Cards ever beat that guy? If they have, I can’t remember when.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 2, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yay

that’s why the Nationals are shaking at the thought of facing Mike Parisi.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 2, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

With the way the Reds are playing at home now

I’m not really looking forward to that series next week. Let’s hope their bats have cooled off by then. The Reds right now are unpredictable….not sure if they are “out of it” or not. Like lboros said they should be a lot better than they are now. The thing is though…the NL Central is the toughest division in the NL right now and if the Reds were in the East or West they would be right there in the thick of things. They still need to get over the .500 hump but their June schedule is very tough so it will be a big hill for them to climb to get into even “Wild Card” contention as the season goes on.

by KYCards on Jun 2, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For a hitting boost

maybe we should pinch hit Looper. Through 21 AB he’s hitting .429 with 4 walks and 2 doubles against only 4 strikeouts.

by sdangler on Jun 2, 2008 10:42 AM EDT   0 recs

or,

the Wagonmaker. a bat with pop off the bench.

if only Tony would stop having him give up his bat with a stinkin bunt.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 2, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looper's Batting

If he keeps up a line like that, he’d be the first pitcher to win the Silver Slugger having spent his first nine years of ML playing time as a reliever.

Even so, he’d still be the Silver Slugger with the second most career saves, to John Smoltz—who recorded all 154 of his saves after winning the SS in 1997.

Still pretty amazing. Go back two years—or even to last offseason when the Looper to rotation talk was dismissed (by myself at least) as a ploy—and told people that Braden Looper would be putting up a Silver Slugger worthy line through 12 starts in 2008 and see what kind of reaction you’d get. Aside from the surprise and wonder that would be understandable from your time travel.

by liam on Jun 2, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

micah owings will win it

even if looper put up better stats.

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on Jun 2, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are silver sluggers voted on?

For some reason I thought that it was just arbitrarily assigned to the player at that position with the highest BA. Now that I think about it, that doesn’t make much more sense than having it voted on…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 2, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Someone votes on them

I don’t know who though.

by saladdays on Jun 2, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

voted on...

by coaches and managers, and they don’t get to vote for anyone on their team.

by launchshuttle on Jun 2, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

man i wish the cards could get owings

I would even be tempted to package Garcia to get him. I can’t believe I actually said that

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 2, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Defense

is keeping them afloat. It was the #1culprit in 2007 and the #1 need in the offseason. So far it is vastly improved, leading to improved pitching stats. The defense should remain stable if they remain healthy.
The main thing still to be learned is what lboros listed as the biggest question of the offseason: will Carp be back? The short-term (2-3 year) future depends on the answer. Sadly, most of the other pitching questions are being answered negatively.

by vinniefromjersey on Jun 2, 2008 11:05 AM EDT   0 recs

Hey - Perez and McLellan

Just trying to cheer you up.

by sdrone on Jun 2, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wellemeyer

I wouldn’t call that a negative answer!

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 2, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

really?

The only negative things I got are these two?

  • Q: Will Izzy be the lights out closer he was in 2007?
    A: Negative.
  • Q: Will Parisi’s first Major league start be succesfull?
    A: Double negative. And not in a way that makes a positive.

I’ve seen much more bright spots in pitching this year than dark spots.

by Evilfrog on Jun 2, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was referring

to offseason questions about Mulder, Clement, Kinney, Thompson, Johnson, Reyes. Don’t see many positives there. True, Wellemeyer is way beyond expectations, and Perez and McClellan have been pluses, but I did say “most.”

by vinniefromjersey on Jun 2, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh right.

I dont see any of them as questions. Because I knew the answer to it at the start of the season :-). Expect for Thompson. ANd the question should be what is actually wrong with him?

by Evilfrog on Jun 2, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just don't get the fascination with Josh Kinney

Vinnie, I want to first point out that this “response” is in no way directed to you alone. There are a lot of people that have made the same sentiments and it’s more directed to the “idea” of these pitchers as opposed to you.

He’s (Kinney) always listed in these lists of pitchers we were apparantly counting on when the guy was a career minor leaguer who had a successful month and a half. And, frankly, I had no faith in Mulder and had major questions about Clement. Why was there such high hopes for three guys who hadn’t pitch in a year?

Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)

by Tackle Box on Jun 2, 2008 12:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fascination with Kinney

He’s a great story… Kid from small town Pennsylvania—so small that he had to take a bus ride to the neighboring HS that had a baseball team. Went to college in Quincy, IL because he heard the deer hunting there was good. Cardinals scout signs him from the River Rascals. Grinds his way through the minors on the strength of his three-slider repertoire and storms on the scene to lead the team to a WS.

The elbow giving out again was tragic, and it’d make the story even better if he can beat the odds and come back effective.

Can’t speak for others, but that’s why I’m fascinated with him. Didn’t expect him to help out this season, and don’t have high hopes that he’ll be able to throw those sliders like he did before surgery any time soon.

by liam on Jun 2, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I did watch him and I do own the dvds

But Eric Gagne was once pretty good too and he can’t pitch worth a shit now. Besides, 2006 was a season and a half ago.

Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)

by Tackle Box on Jun 2, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But we haven't seen Kinney in a season and a half

We’ve seen the downward spiral of Eric Gagne. Also, Kinney is 29, and Gagne is 32. There’s also the part about Gagne’s supposed PED use, which may make a difference.

I just would love to see the Josh Kinney from 2006 postseason.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 2, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kinney

I don’t expect him to return, just because there are too many good relievers on the team and in the pipeline… Where does he fit?

Also a lot of relivers have 1 good year and then vanish, and Kinney only had a good what month?

He is a good story and all but I don’t expect him back.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 2, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Clement

I just read over at bird land that clement will begin his rehab assignment at Palm Beach tomorrow.

by Evilfrog on Jun 2, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

does anyone actually look forward

to him making it back? Has his velocity came back at all yet? I am really tired of watching pitchers coming back from shoulder surgery throw 85 in a major league game.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 2, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

new lohse

lohse will walk or be traded and i see clement as having a chance to be lohse-like if he can get the last bit of velocity back. i think that is why pushed him out on his rehab now, could help make a decision about lohse. just don’t think we an afford two boras contracts and rick seems likely to be more valuable in the long term.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 2, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Couple other statistical notes...

Seeing the #s of two and three baggers go down and the number of ding dongs go up, I figured that the Cards would have picked up a lot more K’s during the last month as well…seeing the stats, however, proved a different tale.

March/April
167 Ks

May
175 Ks

Yes, it is more…but not significantly. Less than 1 every 3rd contest.

Aside from that, another interesting note:
April OPS+ = 105
May OPS+ = 94

Cards went from 5% above average to 6% below average – just another way to quantify what was said in the original post.

One last item:
Can the Cardinals do something different with their pinch hitting philosophy? Now, I know that usually your best players start and all that, but here is the line being put up by pinch hitters on the season (in 102 plate appearances):

16-88 (.182), 5 2b, 2 hr, 9 r, 9 rbi, 9 bb, 20 Ks. Yes, 20. .253 OBP, .307 SLG, .559 OPS, 45 OPS+

YIKES!

Alright, that’s all from me
On this gloomy day in KC.

stlfan

by stlfan on Jun 2, 2008 1:00 PM EDT   0 recs