Time to Be Like Mo
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Well it's june now and the draft has got a grip on most folk’s attention, i.e., on ESPN and all that they (MLB) are trying to make it. For Mo though, no trading draft picks for current players is allowed, so the focus is no doubt moving to the trade deadline, which is just starting to loom on the horizon. In light of the fact that many VEBs live outside of St. Louis and follow other teams as well as the Cards, thought it might be interesting to do what Mo has to do: look at every other MLB team and evaluate if some deal might be done that would benefit the cards. benefit is a loaded word, of course, with a meaning that depends on the time frame the benefit kicks in. so, a challenge to community to pick a team and the best, most likely trade Mo could swing-and why. This may be a little premature, but when you consider the magnitude of the task, never too soon to look at what the front office must be doing continually. I'll volunteer a proposal for a mutually beneficial cards-marlins swap to get started.
The marlins situation is deteriorating in the standings and they have several potential salary problems looming. they have indicated publicly that they can't afford to/aren't willing to sign any more long-term at this point (hanley is done). i'm not buying this line completely, but i do believe some are likely to be left out (and this is in part their way of soliciting proposals). of these, uggla is clearly the guy that would benefit the cards the most at first glance (note: he is basically the ludwick of their team though, bats right and has trouble with lefties and is having a career year slugging). that combined with the competition for him that is likely to unfold, i'd prefer to discus hermida (pretty much same service time as uggla).
where is the weak link from the marlins perspective? conventional wisdom (i.e., other blogs and columns) says on the mound, i.e., number one starter is hendrikson. others have more potential (e.g., olsen), but they aren't there yet. so, this is a fair appraisal. they have guys who can hit and some who can field too, but don't have one in every spot, center field being one place. if they feel maybin is ready, then that may cover the problem, but neither ross or amezaga is cutting it (they signed jones after all). cantu and helms at the corner is also not encouraging from a productivity perspective. in fact, contrary to the conventional wisdom, they need some bats. for example, no marlin regular has a ba >.300. if they are serious about contending now and for the next few years (debatable i agree), what they really need are major league players they can use to remain competitive and can afford for a few years until new stadium revenues kick-in. i suspect most VEBers would go after uggla pretty aggresively, but so may many other teams and it may cost the cards too much. what i would do, therefore, is offer a package for hermida, with the idea that we include (actually insist) that they accept at least one outfielder. hermida is a young and steadily improving player who hits lefties. luwick/duncan (hopefully recovers)-ankiel-hermida would be our outfield for the rest of the year, with mather as the new spiezio for now. rasmus is likely (high probability) to be our center fielder of the future more so than rick, who we may not be able to retain (unfortunately) based real concern for the boras factor. hence, this swap seems a good deal for both.
hermida = reyes, barton, thompson
saving the mi problem for others
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I don't think the Cards can deal Barton
being a Rule V. Pretty sure they’d have to trade with the Tribe to keep him on the team. Can anybody reassure/corrrect this?
Miles in '08
by Zoop on Jun 2, 2008 12:51 AM EDT 0 recs
I can't cite anything off the top of my head
but yes, you are correct.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on
Jun 2, 2008 1:51 AM EDT
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and with that said,
I’d take any of our outfielders over Hermida. They can keep him. He’s a twig—about as injury prone as they come.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on
Jun 2, 2008 1:52 AM EDT
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Hermida
is a stud. I would rather have Hermida instead of both Duncan and Schumaker.
by KeepOnRolen on
Jun 2, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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They can trade Barton
but the Rule V restrictions follow him to his destination.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
Jun 2, 2008 5:07 AM EDT
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Wonder if
Stanihova has any value for Cards or as a trading chip?
by akaitori on Jun 2, 2008 7:20 AM EDT 0 recs
Pitching is needed
Hermida is just a guy. His numbers are a statistical improvement over what is on the roster right now, but I don’t see him as a huge difference maker.
What is needed these days (and everywhere else) is pitching. And pitching. And more pitching. With Piniero injured, with Carpenter no where in sight, with Mulder a has-been and Clement a Cardinal never-was, the rotation is beginning to disolve. Starting pitching will carry this team or bury this team, and starting pitching is what is needed.
I don’t know who will work out, but the Cardinals have many trade pieces to work with: Schumaker, Duncan, Reyes, Thompson, Barton, Ryan, Kennedy (eat the contract), Miles… some sort of combo package to trim the roster and make the rotation stronger.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by palampe on Jun 2, 2008 10:17 AM EDT 0 recs
Stanihova?
Stavinoha. mavbe. I see Duncan finally has a batting Average in AAA. Got a double last night.. would like to see him come around
by ridgesee on Jun 2, 2008 10:19 AM EDT 0 recs
I Don't See...
...cow Hermedia impacts our team, and we’d be giving up too much in that trade. I’d rather see Reyes, Anderson, and Duncan for Uggla. We might be able to make this trade for Brian Roberts too; Roberts is older and has less power, but he’s got more speed, a better glove, and gives up a legit lead-off guy. Mark Ellis would be the other guy I would be interested in, although I think this package is too much for him. He is older too, but has more power than Roberts and more speed than Uggla. I really wouldn’t go raiding the cupboards over this because I think Brendan Ryan would be a good starer at 2nd, if given the chance. We also need to address SS until Kozma makes the bigs (if he does). But as Palampe noted, its all about pitching, pitching, pitching. I’d like to see us acquire moore young pitching to develop.
:=8)
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by The MooCow on Jun 2, 2008 10:49 AM EDT 0 recs
Not a chance
Duncan’s value right now is that of an AAAA corner-outfielder.
Anderson is a 2nd-tier catching prospect. Not a lot of power yet.
Reyes sucks in the eyes of the other teams.
by KeepOnRolen on
Jun 2, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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defending the post
check uggla against lefties. more of the same trouble we have now. hermida is a better defender and more likely to be better 2 years from now. he has shown steady improvement while uggla is flashing like ludwick, gamble either way, but i’d guess not too far down the road we’d be better off with jeremy
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 3, 2008 9:03 PM EDT
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Order a uni, XXL
David Wells, anyone?
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by palampe on Jun 2, 2008 3:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Better Go...
XXXL…
;=8)
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by The MooCow on
Jun 3, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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Marlins trades?
Umm…have the Marlins been actively shopping Uggla? I think everyone assumes he’s available because its the Marlins, but the fact is,the Marlins are in the playoff hunt (as of now). They aren’t going to be sellers unless they drop-off BIG TIME. Until then I think we call all put the thought of Uggla coming to the Cards for some chumps to rest. It would be nice though. Roberts is definately the more realistic option. Grudzielanek could also be had. Since the tigers don’t seem to be turning it around do you think they’d be willing to part with Polanco? I know one big guy who’d lobby that trade….....
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 3, 2008 2:48 AM EDT 0 recs
I Wouldn't Mind...
...Polanco back, but only as a gap-filler: I’d like to see someone with moore gap power, speed, and def. younger, if possible.
:=8)
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- Johnny Rotten
by The MooCow on
Jun 3, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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Perhaps time to pick over the carcass of the Seattle Mariners....
On second thought, no…...Miguel Cairo is probably available.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2008 10:16 AM EDT 0 recs
Ya Know...
...if Robinson Cano cowtinues to falter in the Bronx, and the Yanks are still in the basement come August…. stranger things have happened.
"We're against society, authority, and anything else that ends in y"
- Johnny Rotten
by The MooCow on
Jun 3, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
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slightly off topic
but appearently the Dodgers AAA team are trying Andy Laroche out at 2B
hint hint
http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=350150
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7928/news
Jun 3 Updating a previous report, Dylan Hernandez, of the Los Angeles Times, reports Los Angeles Dodgers 3B Andy LaRoche played his last two games with Triple-A Las Vegas at second base. He made it through both games without an error and turned a double play Saturday, May 31.
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by jealousblues on Jun 4, 2008 12:34 AM EDT 0 recs
Well, that makes sense for the Dodgers....
With Blake DeWitt’s emergence at 3rd, it seems like a way to keep them both around. Or maybe they can trade him, but Jeff Kent is about finished.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Jun 4, 2008 8:33 AM EDT
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brewing trouble
bill hall at second for cards?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 4, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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