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Game 74 Open Thread: June 19 2008

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Kansas City Royals @ St. Louis Cardinals


Greinke Thompson
5-4, 3.48 1-1, 4.58

before this homestand began, i would have taken a 3-3 record --- lose 2 of 3 to the phillies, win 2 of 3 from the royals. if they can muster a win today (which is far from assured, i don't need to tell you) they'll still end up with a 3-3, homestand, albeit by diff'nt means. . . . .

if reyes had taken the start today, he would have been the 9th starting pitcher the cards have used this year. in 2007 they used their 9th starting pitcher (mike maroth) in game # 73 . . . . .

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Dan during pregame

“Big question for the Cards is how deep Brad Thompson can go in this game”

I’d say he could average 350 feet but might touch 410 later in the game.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 2:06 PM EDT   1 recs

Has anyone else seen Skip ridiculous day/night split?

Day: .256/.323/.344
Night: .347/.406/.507

Clearly, he should never start day games.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 2:07 PM EDT   0 recs

P-D

Had a stat that said he has the second highest average against RHP, behind only Chipper. So he can correct that day-night split today.

by paposse on Jun 19, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

splits leaderboard

anyone know where to find a leaderboard for splits?

by StLHugo on Jun 19, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks

I had forgotten that they have splits

Skip is 2nd against RHP if you limit to at least 150 PA

by StLHugo on Jun 19, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

pardon me for being out of the loop

but when and why did the reyes/thompson change take place?

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 19, 2008 2:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Elbow

Reyes had elbow discomfort after pitching in relief Sunday or whatever day that was. Last night it was released that he was going on 15 day DL, Thompson called up to start.

by paposse on Jun 19, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is interesting that Reyes caught

what Thompson had. A big case of the ‘we don’t want you pitching but we need your roster spot’-itis.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

There appears to have been rampant abuse of the DL by the Cards this season. Is this to become the first signature tactic of the Mozeliak administration?

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jun 19, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably

but it must have been something. TLR and Duncan have had others pitch with elbow discomfort, most recently Wellemeyer. That coupled with Thompson not really being rehabbed yet makes me think Reyes must have been in more pain than he let on for the switch to happen.

But then again, only LaDunc knows.

by paposse on Jun 19, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 19, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What I found funny

was that Tony said to never take a chance with a pitcher as a reason for Reyes not getting the call. Reyes said he could do it. With Wellemeyer, Tony took a chance…

Still think this Reyes situation is crappy all around.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 19, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

except it drops by the minute with their silly behavior towards him........

They are behaving in a way unbecoming to a “professional” organization. Time for Mr. Mozeliak to pull the plug and if he doesn’t, Mr. DeWitt needs to step in.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 19, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll be surprised

If Reyes ever throws another pitch for this team.

Ludwick/Molina for 2008 All-Star team.

by tangledbrett on Jun 19, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Here, I'll say it

Great 1st Inning Brad!!!

by Tackle Box on Jun 19, 2008 2:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Puppykicker!

Even looks like he shaved last month!

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 19, 2008 2:21 PM EDT   0 recs

At least he took some pitches

hopefully we reverse our post topic effect. By getting 10 walks.

by enoscountry on Jun 19, 2008 2:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Schu's strike

Outside on gameday. True?

by paposse on Jun 19, 2008 2:22 PM EDT   0 recs

yes

very wide zone to start

by TxCardFan on Jun 19, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it was off the plate.. not a stike

but it’s a day game on get-away day.. usually a bigger zone.

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by stltrav09 on Jun 19, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Greinke bringing it

97. How long will he stay in KC?

by paposse on Jun 19, 2008 2:25 PM EDT   0 recs

There were rumors the cubs were interested in him

a while back. With his history, I’d love to see him in that pressure packed ballpark.

by Tackle Box on Jun 19, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would love

to see him in the Cardinals rotation. I think people can move past their history

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 19, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Could TLR move Duncan up to the #2 hole?

I know Albert’s not #3, but Luddy is, maybe he’d get to see more meat up there? Just thinking out loud here…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 19, 2008 2:26 PM EDT   0 recs

I had a feeling I might get the ol' "protection...does it exist?" argument

Maybe it would help him psychologically? As long as Dunc doesn’t read that article, and he thinks he’s gonna see better stuff to hit, could that help?

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 19, 2008 2:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

perhaps, but i wouldn’t be willing to the bet insertion of a currently-low OBP into the two spot on it.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Our offense is shit right now with no Pujols or Molina

We’ve scored 3 runs in 2 games against the Royals. Would a little tinkering make it that much worse?

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 19, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py

“that much” can be a matter of inches, but i wouldn’t see the point of doing anything which would only have a historical expectation of making things worse.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Low power and causal heterogeneity

are huge problems for those tests.

by enoscountry on Jun 19, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ankiel

looked a bit ugly on that fly ball. Was he running downhill?

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 19, 2008 2:30 PM EDT   0 recs

rather than play the ball off the wall

he overran it and the ricochet (sp?) got past him back into center field

by TxCardFan on Jun 19, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Arms flailing, legs kicking out

he was running fast, but looked awkward…stopped short of the wall and let it bounce…

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 19, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Picture a ball hit to the base of the wall

Then picture Ankiel running all the way to the wall just after it hits the wall and then turns around to watch it roll away while Skip picks it up.

by Tackle Box on Jun 19, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome play Ankiel

way to run all the way to the wall.

by Tackle Box on Jun 19, 2008 2:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Duncan basically has

every downside of a power hitter mixed with every downside of a singles hitter.

by TheBirds on Jun 19, 2008 2:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Look at B-rad

17 pitches to get through 2 innings!

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 19, 2008 2:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Where's this coming from?

There was a sizable contingent around here who argued that Thompson should be in the STL rotation over Wellemeyer.

by liam on Jun 19, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, since other than Mr Redbird, I am the only one who's said it

It’s more a reflection of the whole thing yesterday with people bitching about him starting this game in the first place. I figured I’d become a Brad Thompson cheerleader since the guy shuts his mouth, does whatever is asked of him and usually does much better than expected. Unlike another pitcher on the roster I will not name.

by Tackle Box on Jun 19, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wanted Thompson to be a starter at the start of the season

But quickly lost interest when I saw that our starters were doing well

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 19, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The balls hit in the air

are hit hard, kinda scary

by TheBirds on Jun 19, 2008 2:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Any possibility Rasmus could be called up for the AL road trip??

would like to have his bat in the line-up for these games.

by KYCards on Jun 19, 2008 2:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Knowing Tony

we will probably STILL carry 13 pitchers on the road trip, even though we don’t need that many in the AL games and that Mulder is likely to be activated next week, giving us a fresh arm anyways should the bullpen get burned.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 2:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You need more of a bench

when Duncan, Kennedy, Miles and LaRue are likely options to start (should Molina have lingering effects).

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But that's not what you said

You said you need more bench players in AL games.

by Tackle Box on Jun 19, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no

he said you need less pitchers, which since you don’t PH for a pitcher they typically go longer, you need smaller everything in AL Play

by StLHugo on Jun 19, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's exactly what I said

we do need more of a bench, especially with the extra position player hitting anyways. Our lineup is extremely weak and we need more offense available.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Compared to the Sox and Detroit lineup

the cards are going to look pretty pathetic. We NEED molina and Yadi instead of Duncan and LaRue so badly.

by TheBirds on Jun 19, 2008 2:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Can Juan Gone play 1st?

I wouldn’t mind him filling in while AP is gone…

by StLHugo on Jun 19, 2008 2:36 PM EDT   0 recs

he isnt

but I think he could be ready in a few days and I would rather have him over Duncan right now. Dunc needs to get himself right, every day he struggles up here the further he falls down his own hole.

by StLHugo on Jun 19, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he’s 39 years old, got injured in spring training, not playing baseball, and has zero major league appearances at first base. come on.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just asking

I beleive the injury was fake, but wanted to see if he could play first and I would think he is still working out so he shouldn’t be out of shape.

by StLHugo on Jun 19, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ank

I thought Rick would be a 30-40 HR threat this year. Not going to happen is it?

by paposse on Jun 19, 2008 2:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Made him work

Gameday showed that to the wall?

by paposse on Jun 19, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

on the track

DeJesus was about 2 steps on the track. No problem getting back there. Seemed to be playing extremely deep

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by scoot on Jun 19, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he could still hit 30

he can hit 5 within the span of the week. In case you haven’t noticed he’s very streaky.

by TheBirds on Jun 19, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up