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the biggest change in the cardinal offense since pujols went down is the lack of walks. they drew nary a one last night and have taken just 16 walks since albert left the lineup 7 games ago --- and 8 of those walks came in the first game of his absence. obviously albert himself accounts for some of the shortfall --- he leads the team in walks with 52, so we’d expect the team’s walks total to drop a little bit when he’s not playing. but that hardly tells the whole story. pujols and his .475 obp are gone, and the rest of the hitters are compounding the problem by expanding their strike zones.

we can document that trend w/ the help of fangraphs, which rolled out a new category of stats this year labeled "plate discipline." these numbers show, among other things, how often each batter swings at pitches outside the strike zone. you can slice the stats up by month; i compared the cardinals’ numbers for june w/ their numbers from april/may to see how they compared. i excluded the cardinal pitchers from the survey; only the position players are counted. take a look:

pitchespct
in zone
overall
swing %
out of zone
swing %
april/may 7698 51 45 20
june 1930 49 48 27

unfortunately we can’t get a precise pre-injury / post-injury breakdown, but this comes pretty close. remember, pujols sat out the last two games of the washington serires in addition to the 7 he’s missed so far on the dl; he only has started 7 of 16 games this month. so the june breakdown is a pretty good proxy for "without pujols." interestingly, these numbers show that the cardinals have been seeing fewer strikes this month (49 percent of the overall pitch count, vs 51 percent when albert was in the lineup). it’s not a significant difference, only about 3 pitches a game; nonetheless, we know that the cards are seeing at least as many out-of-zone pitches as they were before albert went down. i thought perhaps the opposite might be true --- ie, that the cards had stopped drawing walks because opposing pitchers are throwing them more strikes, challenging them with impunity now that albert isn’t around. instead, what’s happening is that the cardinal hitters aren’t forcing pitchers to throw it over the plate; they’re chasing outside the zone far more often than they used to. that explains the sharp dropoff in walks.

let’s name a few names: here are the out-of-zone swing percentages, player by player. for the record, the mlb average is around 24 percent:

april/
may
junediff
glaus 16 8 -8
kennedy 28 21 -7
ankiel 27 28 +1
schumaker 22 29 +7
ludwick 20 28 +8
duncan 15 24 +8
molina 22 34 +12
ryan 25 37 +12
pujols 17 29 +12
miles 28 44 +16
izturis 16 36 +20
larue 12 32 +20

only two guys have improved their discipline this month; everybody else has gotten sloppier at the dish. perhaps not surprisingly, the worst offenders are also the worst hitters --- izturis, miles, ryan, and larue --- with the exception of pujols, who took only 2 nonintentional walks this month in 26 plate appearances.

a return to the patience they showed early in the season might help the cards suffer a little less during albert’s absence, but on the whole i think they’re just gonna have to take their lumps. it’s unreasonable to expect this roster to keep winning with pujols and wainwright both out of action; that doesn’t make the losing any more palatable, but i don’t see what else the team is supposed to do. i suppose it couldn’t hurt to call up mather or phelps or stavinoha from triple A to take some at-bats at 1b; i’d be surprised if any of those guys really helped, but you never know. maybe brian barden would give them a spark; that’s a longshot as well, but again there’d be no harm in trying. in any case, i don’t have the sense that any of these players is being considered for promotion . . . . . i’m not as concerned about the bullpen as many people are; i agree w/ red baron and HC that the left side of the bullpen is inadequate, but otherwise i just think it has been a rough couple of weeks for the pen. given the extra load they’re carrying this month due to the absence of wainwright and wellemeyer, that isn’t surprising.

items:

  • chris young on the line drive that nearly killed him: "i am fortunate." gotta admire this guy’s attitude and sense of perspective.
  • don’t look now, but pj walters is 6-1 at triple A after a strong performance yesterday. his era is unsightly at 5.36, but that’s largely due to one disastrous outing (june 6 against round rock); in his other 8 starts he has a 3.77 era. i know, i’m cherry-picking . . . . his peripherals aren’t very good either. not likely to pitch for st louis this year, but the way pitchers are going down on the big-league team, you never know.
  • adam ottavino labored through 5 innings to win his first game of the year. took the kid 94 pitches, and he gave up 3 runs . . . . . tough go for the #1 pick in the 2006 draft. most observers had him as one of the system’s top 5 prospects heading into the year, and the 2d-most promising starting pitcher in the system behind jaime garcia. but he has clearly been passed by clay mortensen and jess todd, and probably by kyle mclellan; pj walters (drafted about 10 rounds behind him) has advanced more quickly, though his ceiling is still probably lower.
  • time to get john jay moved up to memphis --- he’s hitting .431 this month with 5 homers, 4 steals, and a 1.202 ops.

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It was another well pitched game by the starter

Ruined by lack off offense and the bullpen. But the good news is, as long as our starters pitch good we have a chance. And in MHO, we just need to hover around .500 until Pujols comes back.

We also lost Yadi. Who isn’t the biggest offensive threat. But when you replace a .300 hitter who is one of the hardest guys to strike out with LaRue. And you replace Pujols with Duncan. That’s what you get.

by Evilfrog on Jun 19, 2008 8:42 AM EDT   0 recs

Time to move the Crabman?

TLR has settled on him—5th OF, PH once or twice a week, defense not trustworthy in late innings. Since he cannot be demoted, I think Mo needs to send him back to CLE to open a spot for one the Memphis guys LB mentioned above.

If Mo thinks B Barton is better than the Memphis guys, he needs to make a deal with CLE, and then send the Crabman down to get some ABs.

by gocards62 on Jun 19, 2008 8:43 AM EDT   0 recs

Said before

I am pretty sure Barton can’t go down to Memphis unless he clears waivers for all MLB teams

Also, Where do you stick Jon Jay until you promote Colby which can’t happen till we move Schumaker who just happens to be hitting well. So we are at stalemate

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 19, 2008 8:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Call who up to ride the pine?

Barton is one of the Top 3 PH in baseball this year, so he’s adapted to his role.

And, if they call someone up all they are going to do is ride the pine behind Skippy, Rick and Ludwick. Those guys aren’t going to sit. Rick is the everyday CF, Ludwick is the most productive player was have now and Skippy is the ‘leadoff hitter’.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just wish he'd get at least a few chances to play in the outfield.....

Maybe my eyes are broken or something, but I just don’t see the justification for LaRussa being terrifed to put him in the outfield. He looks more than competent to me. Barton has done well with the limited time he has. Well enough that I’d like to see a little more.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 19, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cub Injury?

Looks like Zambrano may be joining WW shortly:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3451506

Their offense hasn’t taken the hit that the Birds’ has, but that certainly has to bring them back to pack a bit if he has to miss 3 or 4 starts.

The problem is that they’ve lost 2 straight to a good team on the road—while the Cards have dropped 2 straight to the KC Royals (caution: may contain baseball like substance) at Busch III….

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 19, 2008 8:59 AM EDT   0 recs

Weird

could the jinx have worked.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Jun 19, 2008 9:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel kind of bad about that........

I made a list of players it would hurt the Cubs to lose, and Big Z was on it…......I actually like the Big Z. I really do hope he’s not hurt. If he is, I expect the Cubs to go get A.J. Burnett, Randy Wolf, Derek Lowe or, gasp, even CC…..I would expect them to spend in dollars and talent whatever it takes….they are in win now mode.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 19, 2008 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

how long till dumpster

starts to get fatigued since he hasn’t started n 5 yrs?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 19, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Outfield shuffles

won’t fix what’s wrong with the team right now. Replacing a guy hitting .239/.331/.348 at first base with one hitting .347/.475/.631, however, will. Patience.

Incidentally, it looked like there was some jawing going on in the dugout last night among Looper, LaRue and Duncan. Any reports on what was happening there? I also give LaRue part blame for the Gordon homer last night; he set up too high for a slider. Wonder if he’s wearing out his welcome.

by StanTheManFan on Jun 19, 2008 9:51 AM EDT   0 recs

Looper

called timeout a couple of times in the 7th…

He appeared either not to agree with the pitch selection LaRue called, or didn’t understand the signs. Loop appeared annoyed at that point on the mound, and in the dugout later.

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 19, 2008 12:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I caught that too

He keep looking at LaRue and shruging

by Evilfrog on Jun 19, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cardinal elbow injuries

Do we have a disproportionate amount of pitchers with injuries? Off the top of my head (while in a training at work, or I’d look for more information):

Carpenter
Mulder
Wellemeyer
Thompson
Reyes

by UNCDubya on Jun 19, 2008 10:00 AM EDT   0 recs

what about ADAM?

ADAM
Carp
Wellemeyer
Mulder
Reyes

Thats not a bad rotation if they’re healthy

by Glowsticks on Jun 19, 2008 3:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good

It’s scary with Miles as the emergency catcher, but with Das WunderBrad starting, we’re probably going to get swept anyway.

by bgh on Jun 19, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OT - Better swept than swept away

You’re in Des Moines, aren’t you? How are you all doing now?

by random on Jun 19, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Des Moines was lucky

One neighborhood was badly flooded when a levee failed, and anyone in that area certainly doesn’t feel fortunate—but really, on the whole, Des Moines has escaped extensive damage. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City, among other towns and cities, have it much, much worse. Terrible over there.

The I-Cubs were even able to open their ballpark on Sunday. On Saturday, they got the players into the stadium and had a game in front of empty stands. Must have felt like high school or spring training for those teams.

by Youneverknow on Jun 19, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I read that article and it sounds like Reyes says there is nothing wrong with his elbow...

Maybe Dunc and Larussa told him he was injured and he just doesn’t know it yet so they slapped him on the D.L. anyways.

I was kinda looking foward to seein him pitch again instead I have to watch Wonder Brad try to sink his way through the game long enough to turn it over to our fragile bullpen for 4 to 5 innings.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Jun 19, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

according to his radio interview, reyes was the one that brought the elbow to their attention.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whose radio interview?

Reyes told Jim Hayes and Goold that he was fine, could pitch today but TLR and Dave 86’d it.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 11:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

reyes’ radio interview. using his own voice, he stated that he brought it to their attention. he also said that he would still like to pitch and was mentally preparing to do so. one could imagine a conversation like this: “my elbow hurts, but i’m fine” “if you’re fine why did you just tell me that your elbow hurts?” i don’t debate that there is a storied history between reyes and management, but i think on this particular issue we might be making a mountain out of a molehill unless more concrete data surfaces.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

actually...
Reyes said he had been pitching through soreness since shifting from the major-league bullpen to the Class AAA rotation, and he likened the discomfort to “building a pitch count in spring training.”
“This is nothing serious,” Reyes said. “The velocity has been the same. The command is the same. I wasn’t sore after the games.”

It sounds like he has been pitching through pain in his elbow. But believes he is healthy enough to pitch.

by Evilfrog on Jun 19, 2008 11:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

and as we’ve been told over the years, there is a difference between pitching ‘hurt’ or pitching with pain. All pitchers pitch with pain. It’s just knowing when you are actually hurt that you should take time off.

Reyes seems to believe it’s just pain.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 19, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

winnable game last night

It is fair to say the hitters are not getting the job done. But the truth is a 2-1 game in the 8th is the same as a 6-5 or 10-9 game. At that point I blame the loss on the bullpen or McClellan in this case. We have to hold on to these games. In comparison to two nights ago TLR did everything we asked him to. He went with our best pitcher in the 8th instead of playing lefty on lefty matchup, and it burned us. That tells me, more than ever, that we need a better lefty in our bullpen. There is no way a Steve Kline or Ray King would have been sitting out in the bullpen when Gordon came up. I hope MO starts putting some things in motion. Not only is it hindering the Cardinals, but it is hindering the way our manager likes to do things.

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jun 19, 2008 11:21 AM EDT   0 recs

You know.......Jose Guillen looks like a pretty good player.

I had never seen him before and was suprised he’s not all that big. Surprised that he ended up in KC because he’s an Atlanta type player. Except the KC guys in charge used to work for Atlanta. .....so it makes sense. Nevermind.

I also would like to repeat that I really like the lefty Ron Mahay-he’s got sneaky wicked stuff…...maybe we could have him? Please?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 19, 2008 11:24 AM EDT   0 recs

Mahay would be a nice addition

to the left side of the pen. Too bad the Royals won’t just hand him over. Although you did say “Please”.....

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 19, 2008 11:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe that will make a difference......

Ha! They signed him to a long term contract because they felt he’d be a “for sure” go to bullpen arm after they lost David Riske….but still, in their re-build mostly from within mode anyone over 30 is possibly available…wouldn’t hurt to at least pick up the phone.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 19, 2008 11:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The fangraph numbers

LB, how were you able to break it up by month. The only thing I can seem to do is to look at each person’s numbers individually, for the year. I was just looking up some stuff on Duncan last night and would be very interested in his numbers by month.

Good stuff on their lack of patience. Maybe they’re feeling a little bit of pressure w/ Pujols and the pitchers (and Yadi) banged up.

by chuckb on Jun 19, 2008 11:32 AM EDT   0 recs

http://www.fangraphs.com/ – click ‘leaders’ – select target month in the dropdown box

to see discipline stats for the entire team set min PA to ‘10’ and sort by ‘team’.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 11:40 AM EDT   0 recs

further note: you can work on it further by exporting to excel/csv. openoffice (free) will open either file type.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great, thanks

that’s so much easier than the way I was doing it. I went to “Teams” first of all and tried to do it that way and then ended up looking up 1 player at a time. You saved me a lot of time, astro.

by chuckb on Jun 19, 2008 11:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i know it's heresy, but if only i was tony

i’d take ankiel’s comment in the PD today that what is going on with him and cd is just baseball as a bit too lackadaisical. the collapse of our offense from fair to poor is directly related to duncan and ankiel’s performance coupled with larure in for yaddi. too many “holes” in the lineup makes the opposition even less concerned about giving a walk. even glaus, who is improving, refused to allow the royals to walk him last night. if it was good for cd to go to memphis and try to get his act together, maybe he needs to go back there and take rick along. bring up colby (of=colby, lud, and skip/barton) and activate mulder as the loogy if things go well today. loss of albert isn’t all that’s wrong as lb notes. discipline has gone to pot. in part this is, i believe, because it’s so easy to get cd, rick, and often ludwick to go fishing. i’d give the present approach no longer than to the break, and if things haven’t come around i’d shake things up a bit.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 19, 2008 11:43 AM EDT   0 recs

slumps happen in this game

and the two don’t need to go to Memphis to work their way out of it. At least, I don’t think Duncan has to go. Ankiel’s out of options so he couldn’t go anyway. I don’t find their comments lackadaisical at all and I’m not an apologist for anyone. It’s baseball. It happens and their going to have to fight through it. If patience is what’s required at the plate, it’s what’s required of the fanbase as well.

by chuckb on Jun 19, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

have to disagree

luddy went through a “slump” earlier in he spring and recovered. he is in a funk of vulnerability to pitches outside the zone right now (off the plate outside). he is rarely fooled down or inside now. no body bothers pitching him inside anymore, they just keep stretching the zone wider to the outside. he has shown some signs in the past week, though not strong ones, of adjusting. rick and cd on the other hand are still falling into the same traps they were falling into over a month ago. this indicates to me that they are not adjusting, in part, because they don’t have to. i agree rick is a great story, but he is an inexperienced hitter and needs some help from somewhere. healthy or not, cd is in the same boat. i’m not into punitive demotions, but we need to get these guys on track somehow. if they stay like they are, then albert won’t be enough to right the ship.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 19, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How is letting them play at Memphis

going to get them the “help” they need but playing them every day at St. Louis is not going to get them the help they need? Won’t being around people like Ludwick, Pujols and Hal McRae be better for them than being around Rico Washington and Nick Stavinoha?

As for Ludwick, he’s been vulnerable particularly on breaking pitches away the entire season. He’s been great so far but his K rate is fairly high—.22 K/PA.

They’re in a slump. It’s part of baseball. You don’t just send players to the minors when they’re struggling a little. Duncan was sent down a few weeks ago in order to get him regular PA’s by playing everyday. He’s doing that here w/ Pujols hurt. Sending him to Memphis and playing Josh Phelps or Brendan Ryan every day in his absence isn’t going to help him and isn’t going to help the team any more than having him take regular PA’s w/ the big club.

by chuckb on Jun 19, 2008 12:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

it really doesn’t make sense to send those guys down right now.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 19, 2008 1:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sort of agree

while El Hombre is out, but when he comes back where is Duncan going to play everyday?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jun 20, 2008 9:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with HC

Demoting them doesn’t do the team or the players any good. If anything, I like his attitude about it. Slumps happen in baseball and they happen to every player—the great ones included. If he has the “I’ll work on it until I start hitting better” and then he doesn’t get results he’ll start pressing, which will make the slump last longer. From what I’ve heard, Rick has been taking extra BP before games and working on things. I think you’re overreacting to a comment made to a reporter.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 19, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True

Better to stay on an even keel than to ride a roller coaster (emotionally speaking) with every slump or surge of hitting.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 19, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's see

First game against KC, Cards score first run, lose 2-1.

Second game, Cards score 2 runs first, lose 3-2.

Hold your breath today if Cards score 3 runs first.

Also, would Willie Randolph be a fit for the Cards in 2010? TLR and Duncan have to be gone by then, right?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 19, 2008 1:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Sounds terrible

Besides Randolph being a pretty bad manager, the next skipper will probably be a former cardinal (Jackass Pendelton, Oquendo, Matheny)

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jun 19, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why a former Cardinal?

That didn’t work with Torre. It did with Red. Oquendo doesn’t seem like a manager to me….. I just can’t picture it. Why is Pendleton name being thrown around so much? Matheny is smart, but where is the managing experience? I know, let’s get MILES..... He can do everthing!

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 19, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Makes for good pr

keeping it in the Cardinal alumni, etc.

Besides, those first two are generally regarded as two of the best future managers who haven’t got their shot yet, and I’d expect Matheny to get a slot next year either as a bench coach or filling in for Jose if he finally gets his dues elsewhere.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jun 19, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Miles can't be the manager in 2010

because he’ll probably be our # 3 pitcher in the rotation by then.

Steriods is...is bad.

by Handsome Jimmy on Jun 19, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally I wouldn't want him

He couldn’t win in New York with a payroll of around $140M+, Also, he was never able to pull his team out a funk for over a year.

I don’t see any indicators he’d be able to do better with $40-$50M less every year.

by birdo rojo on Jun 19, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

why would TLR and Duncan HAVE to be gone by 2010?

And why would no one else pick up Willie before then?

by Evilfrog on Jun 19, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Their contract is through next year.

I’d think Tony (and mostly Duncan) would be tired of STL after all these years.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 19, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

TLR will stay until he passes John McGraw on the wins list in about 2014

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jun 20, 2008 9:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe we can sign Tony & Dave to a renewable contract involving a club option for

a set price every year similar to Wakefields deal with Boston.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Jun 19, 2008 1:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Mariners fired their manager, John McLaren

After firing Bavasi, it looks like they are just about folding it up for this season, is there anyone on their MLB roster or in their system that could be of great use to us? Unfortunately, I am not the least bit educated on their farm system, and don’t really know much about their big club.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 19, 2008 1:42 PM EDT   0 recs

they gutted much of the farm to get Bedard

but do have some prospects left (Clement, Balentin). problem is thier new GM would be smart enough to keeep them

by FunkeeC on Jun 19, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's a wretched team

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2008.shtml

look at the three FA starting pitchers that club signed — silva, washburn, and batista. there’s about $27m a year tied up in those guys; they could do just as well (probably better) w/ rookies or AAAA pitchers.

by lboros on Jun 19, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't suppose a duncan for king felix trade is possible, huh

poor mariners. they’re my default AL team (all my in-laws are from seattle or portland, that’s how i got into them). you know you have problems when your commercials are better than the actual team. i seem to recall one of the post dispatch guys predicted them to win the pennant this year, anybody remember who it was? it was some sort of “look ahead to this season” kind of piece… i’ll bet he wishes he could re-write that one…

by mattybobo on Jun 19, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yes, they were a popular, if obviously misguided, preseason pick by many a silly pundit

they moved on Bedard and had a deceptively good record last year which led to people predict grand things.

by FunkeeC on Jun 19, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

which leads back to a discussion yesterday

The reason to examine your team closely, as lboros and other do on this site so well, is to keep from making poor decisions based on faulty info as the M’s did. They thought they were 3-4 wins from a division tittle and gutted their farm to get Bedard. They weren’t and now the clean up has to begin.

by FunkeeC on Jun 19, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The real problem..

isn’t those guys. They’re pitching as they have in the past (decent, not great). Their FIPs are all about a run or more lower than their ERAs.

The problem is that the M’s have the worst defense in all of baseball.

by guayzimi on Jun 19, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs