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If You're Feeling Sinister

Okay, so who, at the beginning of the season, believed that the left side of the Cardinals' bullpen would be, quite possibly, the worst aspect of the entire team? I won't lie; I did not. I thought the bullpen would be the strongest link in the chain, and the lefties would be pretty damned solid.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I was wrong.

Still, I suppose it's not fair to lay all the blame for that lifeless showing of last evening on Ron Villone. You're not going to win many games when you only score one bleeding run, I don't care how good your bullpen is. I will say, though, that we expected the offense to struggle with Albert gone, and to make things worse, we're now seeing Jason LaRue starting on a daily basis. By the way, can I just take a second to say how stupid I think that is? This is a concussion we're talking about with Molina. The Cardinals need to use every single bit of caution they can muster to keep Molina from coming back too soon. Playing with only one catcher available, especially when said catcher is one of the worst hitters in the game of baseball, is not in any way being cautious. That's just tempting your manager to put the guy back in there way before he's really ready.

Right now, though, I think that getting a new lefthanded reliever may just be the absolute number one priority on Mo's plate. The Cardinals simply cannot continue to hand the ball to these guys on a nightly basis. Villone is bad enough, but Flores is the one really killing me. Villone shouldn't be in the game in a high leverage situation like the one we saw last night, period. Still, though, he does have some use as a guy that can come in and soak up some batters in low lev situations. Flores, on the other hand, is the first lefty option out of the bullpen when the game is on the line, and he's allowing more than 40% of his inherited runners to come in and score. That's beyond normal bad; that's almost impossible to understand sort of bad. When your primary lefty specialist allows almost half of the men on base when he comes in to the game to come home, you simply can't count on winning many close games.

Look, we all know that, no matter how much sense it might make, Tony La Russa is never going to change his slavish devotion to his matchups. He's always going to go with a lefty, no matter how awful his performance may be, to try and get out a lefty. It's just part of the package when you're dealing with Tony. So really, the only option is to try and go out and get better lefties.

First off, what about old D'Artagnan's brother, the one down at Memphis? Ron Flores has been pretty solid. Unspectacular, but solid. He's striking out better than a batter per inning, (39 in 34.2) and has only walked 14 on the season.Most importantly, he's held lefthanded hitters to a .227 average. Is he the weapon that Tyler Johnson was against lefties? No, but who is? He would certainly be an upgrade.

What about some players from another team that's really, really out of it? How about John Grabow, of the Pirates? He's holding lefties to a .250 average against, but more importantly, has only allowed a .371 SLG. Again, he's not lights out, but that's pretty solid. He's youngish, (29) and couldn't be all that expensive.

Damaso Marte? Also a Pirate, he's devastating against lefties. He's allowed them a .244 avg., but also strikes out nearly 15(!) batters an inning against lefthanded hitters. He's older, at 33, but might be even easier to pry away because of that.

How about the third lefty in the Pirate 'pen, Sean Burnett? The former big time prospect currently sports a very unsightly 7.31 ERA, but has been murder on lefties this season, allowing them only a .150 avg. against. They've slugged only .300 off Burnett also. Granted, it's in a very small sampling, (22 PA) but it's tough to find a large sample size when you're talking about a specialist sort of role. Burnett has been used largely in mop up duty this season, and has struggled, but his numbers against lefties are very good, and to me, the numbers jibe with about what he should do by the eye test. He's got a funky, crossfire delivery that has to be murder on batters from his side of the plate and a really nice breaking ball. Burnett is also the youngest of the three lefties in the Pittsburgh relief corps, being only 25. He could end up being a nice little investment to shore up the bullpen for several years.

How much would any of these players cost to get? I'm honestly not really sure, but I'm sure it couldn't possibly be that steep. The Cardinals have a ton of depth in righthanded relievers; package one or two of those guys together and get some help from the sinister side at the ML level. Hell, just see if you could get one of them for cash considerations. The Pirates have three lefties in their pen right now, and they don't need all of them. I'm sure they would be willing to move one to possibly get some help down the road. Maybe a Shane Robinson gets it done.

You want to shoot a little higher, you say? You don't want some other second division team's specialist castoffs? Well, George Sherill of the Orioles is said to be available, for the right price. He's been dynamite for Baltimore this season, with the exception of a little hiccup this past weekend. What would it cost to get Sherrill? Oooh, that's a tough one. You'd probably have to give up a much better prospect, a guy like maybe an Allen Craig or the like. Would that be worth it? I'm not so sure. Sherrill is currently serving as the O's closer, so they'll ask for a premium to get him. Personally, I think you could find a guy to match his performance, at least in a lefty specific role, for much less.

The bottom line is this: the Cardinals are suffering right now in the bullpen. The left side, in particular, is struggling to give the Birds quality innings. It's not a big, splashy move that's going to suddenly change the complexion of the team overnight. But the little, incremental moves like upgrading your situational relief can end up being the difference between being right in the thick of things come September and being just far enough out that you can't quite climb back in it.

Look, this year was all about transition, right? I've said it all along, and I stick by it. I still want the Cardinals to look squarely toward the future with the moves they make this year. But acquiring some help for the left side of the bullpen isn't going to cost you your top prospects. In fact, it probably won't cost you anything you're really going to miss. (Although, come to think of it, I probably would have said the same thing when the Cards traded for Jason Christianson...) This is a chance to make a real upgrade to the team without having to mortgage the future. I think that Mo needs to be exploring every available option to try and shore this up. Not just because of last night's game, either. this has been a problem for a while now. This team simply doesn't have enough margin for error to be losing close games because of bullpen troubles. If you can buy even one or two more wins in the standing without giving up one of your big time prospects, I think you have to count that as a good use of resources.

Thoughts?

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I'd rather have

Brian Fuentes over any of the other guys you mentioned. He can throw a whole inning and not just be a lefty specialist, he has a lot of experience closing games, and he’s playing for a team that’s 15 games below .500 right now and is a sure bet to be a seller at the deadline. I’m not sure how much he’d cost, but I can’t see it being as much or more than Sherrill, and I’d rather have him anyway.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 18, 2008 8:29 AM EDT   0 recs

Fuentes

is a good idea. I completely forgot about him.

What this book presupposes is, maybe he didn't?

by the red baron on Jun 18, 2008 8:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's the pitcher that any team could use on their staff......

Bidding for his services would be fierce. He’d be worth it, because he’s so much more than a loogy and has filled many different roles for the Rockies with nary a complaint. Move him to #1 on the list.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 18, 2008 9:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's going to be a lot more expensive

than the other guys out there, especially if the Rockies continue to play well (9-4 in their past 13). The Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs also are interested (according to mlbtraderumors.com) and Fuentes is a free agent after the season. The price might be too steep for a 3-4 month rental, imo.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by cardsfanindenver on Jun 18, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait...

Why would you assume that he’s a 3-4 month rental? Izzy’s contract expires after the season, leaving a hole at the back end of the bullpen. Fuentes might decide to work out an extension if he wants a shot at being a closer. The other three teams you mentioned aren’t going to be needing a closer any time soon from the looks of it, so we may have a bargaining chip there in terms of resigning him. He’s never had a season like Cordero, so I doubt anyone throws a $40 million deal at him.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 18, 2008 10:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why would you assume he's not?

My point is that value-wise, is it worth getting into a potential bidding war for a guy who may very well decide to test the market after the season instead of focusing on a guy like Grabow or Burnett who would be under team control for a longer time at a reasonable price.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by cardsfanindenver on Jun 18, 2008 10:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If we see him 29 other teams do as well.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 18, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Value

Well, if “value-wise” Fuentes is going to be the piece that gets the team to the postseason, while Grabow and Burnett may not, then most might think the price would be worth it.

3-4 months of lights-out Fuentes might have more value than 3-4 years of Grabow or Burnett, no matter what the price.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Jun 18, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not risk free

Fuentes was the closer for Colorado until he imploded last year. He has pitched pretty well this year, and seems to have recovered his mojo, but I don’t think that we should assume that he will be light’s out for 3-4 months. I would rather find an in-the-system stopgap than give up valuable prospects what might be only a few months of service.

by cdb on Jun 18, 2008 10:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There's kind of an odd set up in Colorado with Fuentes/Corpas.

The last two seasons, they kind of rotate back and forth between set-up and closer. When Fuentes hits a rough spell they switch roles, when Corpas hits a rough spell, they go back to Fuentes. You only acquire Fuentes if you intend to keep him, not just rent him, because they will rightfully ask for a lot. There are not a lot of pitchers that can slot in both places. And of course, he’s a lefty.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 18, 2008 10:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

-1

this team should be focused on not sacrificing any prospects for rentals of any kind. for the long-term world series type success it doesn’t matter if we make the post season or not this year. mo’s gotta keep his eye on the ball for next year.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 18, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

chris perez?

if we’re going to let izzy go, it wouldn’t make sense to sign a free agent closer (or extend a guy we’ve acquired via trade, i.e. fuentes) when we’ve already got a quality guy who’s ready to step into the role.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Jun 18, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and a few prospects that could look good in an 8th inning role

a cheap 8th inning/9th inning combo would be nice in ‘09, with the books losing a lot of cash, it gives us advantages for other things

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 18, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Perez for Closer!

But we still need some guys from the left handed side. Fuentes doesn’t necessarily have to be the closer. But it’s great that he CAN be….....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 18, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but if the Rocks are asking for a closer ransom for Fuentes then it is better to move onto the next available option imo with Perez in the stable

by njnick on Jun 18, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Since Colorado would be trading away their closer

don’t you think it would make sense they would want something similiar and cheaper in return? I.e. Chris Perez?

by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2008 11:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If we are just thinking about the ones you listed

I would be excited about a guy like Sean Burnett. Yeah, he was at once a decent prospect and while he doesn’t seem to have the stuff that they thought, it looks like the role of a LOOGY would suit him perfectly.

by JBagKY on Jun 18, 2008 8:39 AM EDT   0 recs

I wish we would have signed the lefty we faced last night, Mahay........

That is if they knew Tyler Johnson would go down. ......Burnett would seem to be a good long term solution. I bet the Pirates know that and won’t just give him up for nothing. One thing the Pirates don’t have is right handed starters. Offer one or two of those…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 18, 2008 9:04 AM EDT   0 recs

Garcia

What about Garcia? He may be a future starter but that means he can give you an entire inning lefty or righty. Anyone know his splits? Man I wish Johnson was going to be back this year.

by StLHugo on Jun 18, 2008 9:10 AM EDT   0 recs

From minorleaguesplits.com

This topic came up a couple of days ago. Unfortunately he doesn’t have a lot of plate appearances against lefties so the usual sample size disclaimer applies. Unfortunately, you can’t go back past this year to see his history. I do see some potential in here – might be worth a try. Being a bull pen guy didn’t exactly hurt Wainwright’s development. If I’m reading correctly, he’s only given up singles to the lefties he’s faced (slg = avg) and his OBP is higher because of the walks. K/9 is really good so I’m liking it.

IP – 3.7
Walks – 4
Avg. – .286
OBP – .474
Slug – ..286
BABIP – .500
k/9 – 14.73

Complete link here

by birdo rojo on Jun 18, 2008 9:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

more numbers

Was about to post, but you beat me to it, birdo. I think those are Springfield-only numbers, so I’ll add this to the mix:

At Memphis, per MILB.com, his ERA vs. lefties is 7.94(11.1 IP) and against righties, it’s 2.72 (36.1 IP). Full numbers here:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jaime%20Garcia&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=448802

Sample size obviously still very, very small, but so far the numbers don’t exactly scream, “LOOGY!”

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2008 9:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok

does that mean he’s throwing to entire lineups of lefties and righties then? A better stat would be BA against for each type of batter. He might have given up 3 hits to righties and then the one lefty in the lineup smoked a 3 run double off of him.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 18, 2008 10:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

a fine question

that I don’t know the answer to. But if you want ‘em the respective batting averages are .354 for lefties and .228 for righties. (Obligatory small sample size disclaimer here.)

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2008 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd like to see Garcia up

maybe after the All-Star break. We’re going to want to be watchful w/ his innings anyway. The only thing is - if he’s brought up, I’d like to see him given the chance to get lefties and righties out - as Villone was last night.

As for his splits this year, it’s far too small a sample size to be concerned about. As a lefty, he’ll be tougher on lefties than he is on righties. The guys w/ reverse splits over their careers are very few in number. I think that right now, he’d be better than either lefty we have in the pen but he’s gotta get his innings in at Memphis also. Maybe call him up in a month. Won’t he be as good as Grabow or Burnett?

by houstoncardinal on Jun 18, 2008 9:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

IMO

leave him down and bring him up when the roster expands.

He’s still developing and can use the innings to work on things. Letting him chill on the bench doesn’t scream best idea in the world to me.

Then let him start, so he doesn’t start getting into platoon issues that Tony will try and employ

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 18, 2008 9:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I was hoping that we could find a band aid at the deadline for the LOOGY corps and then bring up Garcia come September for a Wainwright-type breaking in process. Of course, Mo will have to make clear that he is not a career LOOGY, merely a end-of-the-2008-season-LOOGY.

by bgh on Jun 18, 2008 9:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Salas

makes me think more of a Waino like candidate.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 18, 2008 10:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Salas is not a starter

Waino like typically means a starter being given a bullpen audition.

by StLHugo on Jun 18, 2008 10:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm talking toolset

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 18, 2008 10:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ah

I don’t know Salas’ toolset but I would be tempted to agree with that except that Salas has such a high K rate which to me means he has a slightly different set then Waino

by StLHugo on Jun 18, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

From what I understand

Apparently he has just great command of a curve ball and other breaking stuff. I would like to see him at AAA where hitters are more prepared for pitchers with good breaking stuff.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

HC, I will say one more thing, then drop it.

I accused Sabathia yesterday of being fat but never of being lazy. He IS overweight. That will definately affect his long-term health. His knees are taking much more stress than they need to. Will they hold out into his 30’s? Maybe. Zambrano sure is looking okay as he enters the second half of his career, and he is carrying more weight than he has to. I have long-term health questions, though, about trying to sign C.C., as I worry about the continued health of his wheels.

And, by the way, I gotta say you are killin’ me here! You jumped on me for calling Dunn fat and lazy, saying that there is no room for name calling. Lo and behold, I find you calling Bill Bavasi a moron, of all things. He may be a terrible GM, but you and I both know that if he were a moron, he never would have been selected as a GM.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 18, 2008 10:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Get serious!

You accused Adam Dunn, yesterday, of being fat and lazy. Here’s the link. I don’t know where you said anything about Sabathia. That was somebody else the day before. Or maybe you called him lazy yesterday as well and I didn’t notice. Don’t you pay attention who you’re criticizing?

I didn’t say there was no room for name-calling. I was saying that if you were going to slander someone, you should document it. Do you need me to document all the reasons why Bavasi’s a moron? My guess is, since you recognize that he’s a terrible GM, you do not. Your only motive here is to try and play “Gotcha!”

As for Dunn, I don’t know if he’s lazy or not but I’ve never heard from anyone, other than you, that he is. Dunn’s a very good baseball player. I can document all the reasons why, if you like, though others did that quite well yesterday. He’s also a big guy. If he’s lazy, tell us what you know and how you know that. If you regret using the word “lazy” to describe him, say that as well. We all say things from time to time that we regret.

Yesterday you tried to defend your use of the term “lazy” to say that he’s terrible defensively but you should be aware, they’re not synonymous. He’s bad defensively. We can document that. If you want to say that he weighs too much —whatever. Lazy - back it up. Now, we can both drop it.

by houstoncardinal on Jun 18, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good point on the innings

He threw 137 innings in 06 and 103 last year. Currently at 82 this year. Houstoncardinal, what do you figure his max ought to be this year – 150 or so? If so, assuming 6 innings a start he gets there by mid-to-late August. He could probably be an asset in the bullpen during the stretch run, so it’d be useful to save some of his bullets.

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2008 10:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm no expert on pitching

but I would guess 150 or so is probably a good number. Maybe even 135-140 starting at Memphis and then another 25 or 30 in relief w/ the big club. Just a guess. They should be careful w/ him as he’s young and ended last year injured and I’m sure they will. Wainwright threw 182 in 2005 at Memphis so I would say 180 is the absolute MAX but probably closer to 165?

He could be very useful w/ the big club, I believe, if used correctly but he does still need to pitch. If he pitches for another month at Memphis, that gets him to around 120. Maybe he’s at 135 at the trade deadline. We call him up and he pitches 20-25 the last 2 months w/ St. Louis. There’s 155-160. That’s probably a good number and some good experience, right?

by houstoncardinal on Jun 18, 2008 10:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd agree

Those last 20-30 in the bigs would be a bit more spread out as well so the stress would hopefully be minimized.

by birdo rojo on Jun 18, 2008 10:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sounds like we have a plan

who wants to tell Tony?

by DCGreg on Jun 18, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Have Grit do it

“Hey Tone – I’ve got an idea.”

by TNTinCO on Jun 18, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

But that would probably work.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 18, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we should get Miles on here

we all love Miles now , right? I know he has won me over.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Another neat pitching feat.......

King Felix struck out the side on 9 pitches last night…...Rich Harden did it in a game last week. Hit it, Meatball!

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 18, 2008 9:14 AM EDT   0 recs

6 consecutive strikeouts on 20 pitches

n/t

That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.

by Solanus on Jun 18, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Marte...

You said Marte is striking out lefties at 15/inning? That confused me… is this an error or am I not understanding something?

by cd on Jun 18, 2008 9:18 AM EDT   0 recs

My Guess

I assume he was talking about 15K/Per 9 IP

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2008 9:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a beautiful number there.......

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 18, 2008 9:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lefties

I agree on the point that the cards need a shut down lefty, but I disagree on the ease of aquiring one from another team. The Pirates trio (or at least grabow and marte) will be hot commodities come the trade deadline. I think they’ll be able to sell very very high on those guys to a team in the middle of a playoff race (much like the Cardinals seem to be). Burnett would be a wise option to pursue right now since they’ve got the other two still and it may help to gauge what they could receive for the other two, but then again, the Pirates are perennially building for the future and as he is young and assumingly cost controlled, why sell him off when he could be useful next year and the several years down the road. Now… Sherrill… I like him, but I think he’d cost much more than a Craig. He’s been a shut down closer all year. Fuentes will cost a fortune as well. I was very disappointed when the Cardinals didn’t pick up Erik Threets when he had been DFA’d. He seemed like a guy that had the stuff to do it. But then again, he was DFA’d by the Giants, so what do I know. Ron Flores may be the best option. He’s already in the system, we’ve already paid for him, and he can’t be worse than his brother can he? I don’t like moving garcia up either… keep letting him start. If we need him in the near future I’d rather have him ready than have to have him go through the transition of converting back to starting. If all else fails let Miles throw. I know he’s not a lefty, but the man is a simply a beast. I mean, look at him.

by flipthebird on Jun 18, 2008 9:38 AM EDT   0 recs

I think its time

Lets move Pujols…............ thats it! Pujols for the Pirates. That way we take what we need, and put the rest in the minor leagues… This would also make their rebuild a bit simpler. And we could throw in Duncan…....maybe they wouldn’t check the bag….......

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 18, 2008 9:41 AM EDT   0 recs

Interesting...

Is he worth as much as the entire Pirates roster?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 18, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we'd have almost 4 teams worth of OF

not meaning on the worth side of things, but between both clubs there’s a boatload of OF

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 18, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 RB.

I think this is exactly the kind of thinking that the Cards need to be doing here. They can see what they can acquire without blowing up the core prospects in the system. I will hazard a guess that deadline acquisitions will be a bit cheaper this year, as more and more teams are unwilling (or able) to deal decent prospects for rental free-agents. This is the first year in SO long that we might be able to trade a prospect or 2 and not actually hurt the farm system substantially. The draft of Wallace sure adds to the OF/1B glut in the system (I am assuming he may move to LF), and makes several more players expendable. That includes the likes of Mather, Duncan, and others.

Bravo, my man!!!

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 18, 2008 9:57 AM EDT   0 recs

Mulder

I wonder what the odds are of Mulder going to the pen as a left guy. If he’s throwing in the 90s with movement, he could definitely be a decent pen option if he doesn’t have the stamina to start.

by TheoSqua on Jun 18, 2008 9:59 AM EDT   0 recs

If

...Mulder is throwing in the 90s with movement, then he is definitely a great starting rotation option.

I don’t know if you caught Goold’s post on the Mulder-Clement doubleheader in Springfield, but it was interesting, and heartening.

Mulder was impressive, which he has been in some rehab starts before, and displayed not only a new delivery but renewed and unexpected velocity….

Still, consider this: In the last start of his halted rehab assignment Mulder hit 89 mph twice, and that was it. That was as fast as he got.

On Saturday, 40 of his 73 pitches were at least 90 mph.

He’ll have to do it again in his next start to confirm that his new, freer, easier delivery will consistently fire at that velocity with the same natural sink he showed regularly at 91 mph on Saturday.

I highly suggest reading the whole post because it features some recount of pitches thrown in various innings.

Stamina could be an issue, but they are going to milk his rehab for all its worth and if he is all right to throw 73 pitches, one would assume that 90 is not in the too distant future.

by bgh on Jun 18, 2008 10:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

God damnit

How can I get sucked in thinking Mulder could be good again??

Then again I’ve never had “Mulder sits 90-91” as evidence for that. That’s as encouraging a news as he’s had in three years.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 18, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That isn't a half bad idea

Mulder may have to give up on being a starter anyway if he can’t get any stamina back, having him in the pen at least lets you see if he can get ML hitters out anymore.

by StLHugo on Jun 18, 2008 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Could this bee our LOOGY?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 18, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mulder joked as much

Of course, that was before he was throwing pain-free and hitting 91 mph. From the P-D:

The Cardinals’ eternally rehabbing starter was so fed up with the inconsistencies of his delivery that he told trainer Keith Sanders three weeks ago that he’d had enough. Over. Done. He was “going to come back as a sidearm reliever,” the lefty joked.

by bgh on Jun 18, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This has no downside

as far as I can see. MM gets to face ML batters, build arm strength, and contribute. He can’t be any WORSE than RaFlores and Villone.

by gocards62 on Jun 18, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

yes he can—I have seen it with my own eyes…..lol

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 18, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ouch

True, painfully true….

by madridbend on Jun 18, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not so sure about that

we have never seen Flores go for 3 or 4 innings. Imagine that disaster

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2008 7:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Higher priority?

Middle infield or LOOGY?

by bgh on Jun 18, 2008 9:59 AM EDT   0 recs

MIF

that’s my vote.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jun 18, 2008 10:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Could be more expensive.

I think RB was trying to think of an inexpensive way to upgrade the team. Getting a good MIF might be tough if we are unwilling to let go of Garcia/Rasmus/Anderson.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 18, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If we make it to the play-offs

We’ll go to a four-man rotation, and we can put Mulder in the pen.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jun 18, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Shut down LOOGY for me

is first choice although it’d be a tricky trade probably.

Steriods is...is bad.

by Handsome Jimmy on Jun 18, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Now,

I’d say MIF. When AP comes back, LOOGY.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 18, 2008 12:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs