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preprogrammed about half an hour ago; st louis was leading 1-0 back then. . . . . get 'em, team.

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dunc looking

man he isn’t seeing the ball well at all

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they that

thing he does a lot causes you to go blind…

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd say he saw that one perfectly.

he saw a ball, low, which it was. and the umpire blew the call.

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this one could go all night

can’t tell if there’s any life in either team

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joel will walk someone,

then Flores will come in, HR, 3-1 loss.

by Andyfantastic on Jun 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially from the way Dan reacted

i wasn’t looking on the swing, but i heard him talking and expected it to be way out.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

Dan almost talked it out of there. Scared me for no reason.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 17, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Todd

5IP 4H 1ER 0BB 2K 1HR 6-6GO-FO

Currently Springfield is up 4-1

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How is the KC bullpen, anywhere close to as bad as ours?

Otherwise Pinero may need to go 13 innings for us to have a chance

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Jun 17, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am really tired of the duncan bashing

we all know that he is struggling but come on

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

more like, DunCan’t!!!!!!!

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ba-zing!

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+10000

less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'

by bjork24 on Jun 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hilarious

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(i'm just kidding)

i love Duncan, mainly because of his huge wad in his mouth…

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's perverted

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

i added “in his mouth” to try to avoid perversion.
i was talking about the chaw, plain and simple…

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was trying to be funny

i guess i suck at the interweb humor

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

naw, it's ok

i just wanted to make sure people knew i wasn’t trying to go there.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no worries

i’m sure every one knew my perverted mind was going there so we balanced it out nicely.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well hell

it is all his and/or managements fault
Duncan obviously isn’t right. He should either be on the DL or in the minors

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or in SF

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get tired of it too,

but the team brought it on themselves. The kid is clearly, CLEARLY not an MLB quality player. Yet, he is now our everyday first baseman for at least a month. On top of that, you have his dad in the dugout. So, it is no surprise to me that the Duncan bashing is as bad as it is. The most likely possibility here is that the Cardinals are playing favorites with Duncan. That doesn’t sit well.

But then, even when given the chance, Duncan is wasting it and is a rally killer. Glaus knows he has to swing with runners on base because Duncan is a sure out behind him. Glaus might as well have the pitcher batting behind him.

The Duncan bashing needs to continue to let management know the fans are not going to put up with this nepotism.

by Egyptian on Jun 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

say you’re tired of duncan bashing and all you did was stoke the fire for people to sound off on him again….

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good outing jo-el

granted the royals blow…but still a nice job

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great job Joel

i’m really impressed with him tonight. he gave the Cards just what they needed.

now, go get some freaking runs O

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

quality start

by gocards62 on Jun 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that's it for Joel on the night

Nice effort. Always good to see zero walks from your SP.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i replied to you in other thread

btu there were at least two that may have been grabbed by AP, especially since one went off Duncs glove..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the one by Guillen was smoked though

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets go pornstache

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clap clap clap-clap-clap

Or should that be gonorrhea gonorrhea gonorrhea-gonorrhea-gonorrhea?

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AHAHAHAAH - LaRue needs to be censored

that was the loudest “FUCK” i’ve ever heard

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have heard louder from hinske

and that was when there was nobody at the park

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta love hearing F bombs on live TV

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice there is about a half second delay for mlbtv

i was like i missed it..nope

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what the?

no pitch speed on MiLB gameday?

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no cameras

they have no way of getting pitch speed into it without the cameras or manual entry. even the location of the balls is the old manual entry method they used in MLB in 2006

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well crap

still, thanks for the link

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Todd sucks

his ERA is over 1.00 now

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if Boston wins

it cause they are out “Gritting” La

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Attaboy Barton

TLR, get him on the move

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

show em what ya got cardinaut

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got such a short lead.. he's not going anywhere.

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i've decided i'm going to get a job with the Cardinals

and i’m going to right before the game break all of IZ2 left handed hitting batting helmets.

he should never step foot in the LH batters box again

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Good call, good execution by the Royals

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dammit

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you know

i actually don’t mind that out by barton…we are showing nothing on offense…nothing…why not shake it up…wish it had worked though

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it was a nice play by olivo

why is villone on our team

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he almost get caught by Washington?

I can’t remember if it was Barton or not, but I remember a kick ass slide to first to dodge a tag

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody notice

the Cards 3rd base coach wouldn’t accept Barton’s helmet?

by Woodwork on Jun 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

Villone

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Villone should be pitching for his spot on the roster right now

he’s been gawd awful his last few outings.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Worse than Flores?

Which is really hard to do.

by DriverZn on Jun 17, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm just sayin

he’s sucked it hard core lately. yes he’s better than FLO

but look what he just did

i rest my case

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well Flores would have to go first

Villone still hasn’t been as bad as Randy…that isn’t a compliment

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Tony not think rightys can get leftys out?

It’d be nice to see say…KMac in this spot.

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly

with perez, springer, franklin, isringhausen and reyes on the bench, he sends out Ron Villone to preserve a 1-1 tie in the 8th.

Just unbelievable.

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 17, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flores is the alternative. Yuk and Suk! Don't forget we have Izzy 1 in the pen, too

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly

i’d rather see him in there now than Villone

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh motherfucker

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Son of a bitch

son of a bitch…son of a bitch

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KUSO!!!

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, surprising noone

at all

Seems like in every close game the bullpen is mismanaged.

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

god damnit

our lefties need to go away.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wonder how we kept it 20-2 last time Villone puked- sorry meant to say pitiched.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm done with this guy

D

F

A

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The sad part is AK is the only LOOGY in the bunch

He tends to get one out when he hits, and the other two tend to get hits when they pitch

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4

you forgot dunc

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

be fair

he hits into errors.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to DFA Dunc

Maybe it’s because I have this pipe dream we might get something useful for him

I doubt anyone would send us anything more than a hot dog and a beer for the other three

Man, a hot dog and a beer sounds WONDERFUL right now

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want him DFA'd either

I just don’t want him starting every damn game

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mr redbird

i believe someone else needs to be added to your sig.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

I miss TJ and hell even Steve Kline and Ray King

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kline and king had their moments

but i really, really miss TJ. that slider was NARSTY.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TJ

he’s done for the year, right?
he’s not going to get Mike Lincolned, is he?

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kline AKA the governor

asked to be signed by the Cards when the GMen DFA’d him.

MO’s response was, “no, we’re good”

so i think he’s still at AAA for the phillies.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stats of the day

coming into today

Villone 27IP 27H 20 W
FLores 18 2/3IP 18H 14W

isnt a reliever supposed to keep runners off base?

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NLCentral update

Cubs losing 1-3 bottom 8th in TB
Mil up 5-0 on Tor top of the 8th
Hou losing 5-6 top 9th in Bal
Pit losing5-7 at the WSox top 6th
Cin already lost 1-3 to LAD

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that was strike 3 to DUNK blue

you suck almost almost as bad as Villone

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by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do not understand why you would bring villone in in a close game

larussa is over managing again

They say I look like yadier molina

by ANDYAK47 on Jun 17, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

besides the Phillies implosion

he was 2.30 ish in his previous ten.

that being said I would have brought in K-Mac

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Springer in

a tad too late.

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or IZZY?

use him or lose him Tony

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that's it

but why would you have him take up a roster spot for 6 games if he’s not going to pitch?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hell , might as well

Molina, Welley, and Izzy all not being used. Playing with a short roster there a bit

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

welley’s a starter and would be replaced with another starter who would sit.

molina could’ve played tonight.

izzy’s warmin’ up in the ‘pen.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

molina & welley

should be on the DL, dont fuck with elbows or concussions

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the lefty lefty matchup is

pointless if your lefthanders are terrible

by truemun12 on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I blame Duncan

for making tony think Leftys were sure outs when facing leftys on the mound

Sorry, I’m going to have to start blaming dunc for everything

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

he got the lefty’s out

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very true

it was a post more out of frustration than actually thinking about what happened, irregardless i think its safe to say villone has been over exposed

by truemun12 on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if Garcia and Salas could possibly be worse the Villa Flores?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

righty

he is a righty I would call up Flores though, he hasn’t been as good as his start but he isn’t as bad as his brother

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top of the lineup up in the 8th for the Cards

We’ll be alright

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spfd update

4-2 bottom 7
Todd: 6.1IP 6H 2ER 0BB 3K 1HR 80 pitches 60 strikes

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alright

we’re down by 1 run, we’ve only scored one run. We’ve had chances for more.

Come on, let’s start this off right

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As bad as Villone may be

we’ve gotta score more than ONE run against these guys. Makes it tough on the pitchers if they get that little support from the offense.

by gocards62 on Jun 17, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well

with a righty on the mound we have a bunch of easy outs,

I love iz2’s D, but you can’t hide his bat like you can when you’ve got good bats instead of Duncan and LaRue

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a damn good record against rights

so while it isn’t Iz strong side on the left, i don’t see fault being placed

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

if we lose this 2-1, it’s definitely not the pitchers’ fault

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

you can’t expect to win if you only score one run.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tie game in the 8th inning

Isn’t that K-Mac/Perez territory? If you’re gonna bring in Villone then let him face DeJesus and get him outta there.

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

doesn’t the “8th inning” card trump the “left-handed batter” card?

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony's world is a lil slow

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

it’s springer/izzy territory. perez/k-mac are for winning preferably.

speaking of k-mac, i haven’t seem him pitch recently. are we using him less or just he just make apperances when i’m not watching?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe Gibby will call Tlr on this

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a lucky bounce

right into his hand

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brend Funk Railroad

wants to hit a homerun.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

man up & go yard BOOG

you can do it

you can do it all night long

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Skip's softest hit ball was his only hit...

That’s baseball

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ludwick

needs to save us.

I have a good feeling about his at bat.

by Egyptian on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

turns out, it was just gas

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can't count on Ludwick....

then we have nothing and will probably lose nearly every game like this.

by Egyptian on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Radio - Izzy warming up. Open the awamori . . .habu get ready

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HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why not let Springer pitch the 9th?

he only made one ptich last inning-grr

by gocards62 on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izzy warming up!

I think it’s smart that they’re starting him off outside of StL. I’m nervous for him…

by six on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

um

this game is in St Louis

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa.

I’m clearly losing it. Then I think this is dumb.

by six on Jun 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al just said "can't get it up anymore"

on TV.

Can he be fired for that? – I freaking hope so.

by Egyptian on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you all hear that?

Al said if you don’t have butterflies its not good because you won’t be able to get it up anymore.

So lets hope we all still get butterflies

by soty987 on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan walk off shot?

I’m calling it

not really…

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mahay

what do we have to give up for him…salas? anderson? pujols?

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm going to get Gibby those two way radios

so he can talk to Tony during the games.

only problem is, i just got to figure out a way to duck tape it to Tony’s ear without him knowing about it

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by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Izzy gets a standing O

And then shuts them down 1-2-3

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

need him back to form

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m rooting for you, jason.

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spot on! then I hope they sned AK and Dunc down.

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by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

E6

thanks IZ2

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by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

245 total chances, six errors

I know it’s costly, but in the larger scheme . . .The guy kept in us the game in DC with his fielding

by gocards62 on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just what izzy needs..

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he’s going into pressure hell if he’s back in the 9th at some point. this may be a good thing to see how he does.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh, this is the 9th

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by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i mean in a save situation

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what do you think we can get for this package:

Duncan
Flores
Villone
Kennedy
Reyes
Parisi
The Budweiser hawker in the section above the Hardee’s
???

less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'

by bjork24 on Jun 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Toss in some of the left-over urinals from the old ball park - double the value of the package

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by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is he the one that starts the crowd chants?

like “let’s go Cardinals” clap clap clap-clap-clap. If so, maybe they can get us somebody like Kip Wells..

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's wrong with that?

At least he’s not the guy that starts the wave..

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like he wave

but that might be because it makes boobies bounce

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(o)(o)

less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'

by bjork24 on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

howzabout a gidp here?

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR Sucks!

Play the matchups even though the guy you put out there is terrible. His effing managing style HAS to change according to the personnel that youve got, not because of a % that is BS, when the highest % of those situations show that the guys he puts out there fail most of the time. UFB how many losses per year this team can blame on TLR. Im so sick of it.

by buzzburton33 on Jun 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

obviously

izzy’s troubles this year are tony’s fault

by adiueordie on Jun 17, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talking about Villone...

slow typist. And if u couldnt see that coming when Villone took the hill, then I dont know who youve been watching pitch.

by buzzburton33 on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

could you tell us ahead of time

when you have those feelings?

That way I know when to get a beer and also we would know you aren’t pulling a hate TLR post-hoc blame game.

by enoscountry on Jun 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you

give any argument to the fact that what has Villone done lately to deserve to be pitching in that situation, regardless of the L-L matchup. Better question might be, would you have put Villone in right there?

by buzzburton33 on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

better still...

was there a WORSE POSSIBLE CHOICE than villone right there?

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 17, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

F L O

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I’m not gonna name names, but his name rhymes with

Sandy Clitoris

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

that name gave me the shivers

so did Randy’s

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

deserve to pitch?

first, I’m serious, call out this crap beforehand if you’re going to say the 4th winningest manager “sucks.”

Second, this is baseball dude. You can’t throw the best guy out there all the time. What’s the use of having someone on the team if you don’t use him? If he sucks some more they’ll get rid of him. But you can’t get rid of a guy until he fails consistently.

Look, Tony gives guys chances to succeed even after they have failed recently. By your logic you’re more likely to win this game, but then make your good players more tired and give your poor players less confidence. That’s a formula for a team that loses down the stretch because they never got a confidence booster.

by enoscountry on Jun 17, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DESERVE being the key word there

if the team is UP one maybe, ahead 2 you probably pitch Villone there, but not in a tie game.

Second, I understand that this is baseball & the last time I checked, most teams usually put the players in that give you the BEST chance of success in a given situation, so no, I CANNOT according to my logic let Villone pitch in that situation. PLEASE tell me that you agree with putting Villone in there, it will make me sleep better.

by buzzburton33 on Jun 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was Villone against a RHB

He was going against his book

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the problem

He brought him in for the lefty originally, but in a game that will probably go to extras you can’t use 1 pitcher for 1 AB. So he kept him in there, he knew this before he sent villone in.

What he should have done is have a decent righty, who probably isn’t that much worse (maybe better) against leftys than villone and a heck of a lot better against their hottest hitter in their lineup.

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree 110%

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MY point being

that Villone should NOT be in during a tie game in the 8th.

by buzzburton33 on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its cool

setting up the dp

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

du dun dun da da daaaa

spsssh

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Error, stolen base, HBP. Welcome back, Izzy, we've missed the excitement

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by the way

with all the talk about how to speed up games…there’s one way…on intentional walks, just tell the ump and send the batter to first…no need to use four pitches(granted they aren’t max effort)

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no way

there’s always the chance for a wild pitch or a cabrera-esque reaching swing that goes for a single on a ball too close to the plate.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

someone, don't remember who, had a good suggestion earlier this year

if the pitcher touches his mouth before throwing the pitch, the ump calls it a ball, without the pitch being thrown. so just touch your mouth four times and you don’t waste any pitches.

by adiueordie on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then we realized

that if you do that twice in a game you get fined.

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

always a chance for a WP or something

there is always a chance that an IBB pitch could be wild, that a steal could occur or that you could try the fake IBB on a 3-2 count

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool tid bits abotu matheny and

Mabry workin with Izz

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe

yadi can pick off the guy at first to bail him out.

oh, wait…

by adiueordie on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy should be out of the inning right now

I hope he gets out on the next batter (with no runs)

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Salas in

final line on todd is 7ip 7H 2ER 0BB 4K 1HR 88pitches 64 strikes, 7-8 go-fo

Pop is going to his closer in the bottom of the 8th 4-2 game

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whew!

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's more like is IZ2

good job IZZY

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by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

typical izzy inning

which i’ll take over what we saw before his “injury”

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep, yep

Typical Izzy is acceptable

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Momentum builder?

What a great way to welcome Izzy back – with a W

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope

the fans cheered for him.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Momentum

Ha, CDunc will quash any momentum

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs with tying run on 3rd

two outs in the 9th.

Edmonds up. Ugh

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Percival just chucked one to the backstop yuk

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by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's go birds!

get some runners on!, score some runs!

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good job Izzy

Keep it up for awhile

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shannon twice said "Izzy behind the gun (because of the error). Not real comfortable using "Izzy" and "gun" in the same clause.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

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by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Double by Ank, walk-off by Glaus

less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'

by bjork24 on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope gameday is way behind and this has already happened...

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by BigMOman on Jun 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is our old buddy Percival TRYING to blow it?

Two wild pitches one scored a run but Fukudome was forced to stay at 3rd on the second one.

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well my Soria your a heck of a ballplayer btu your standing on the

tracks and the trains coming through… butthead..(ML2)

i hope

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

f u ump

no way was that a strike

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can Glaus bat twice?

So we can skip he-who-shall-not-be-named?

less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'

by bjork24 on Jun 17, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

once is enough i'm afraid

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 17, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan

chance #258 to redeem yourself

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

soria got away with one there

it’s all on you DUNK

what cha got kid?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh my

Reed Johnson tries to lay down a bunt.. great one handed pick up, horrible throw, great pick by 1st basemen. Not sure how the Rays escape with that one.

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

suicide squeeze

with 2 outs? stupid. percival got a gift.

by adiueordie on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid because it didn't work

But it almost did. If it had, it would have been brilliant

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cubs lose

now we need to win

by StLHugo on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look at Soria

What is up with people named Joakim being ugly as sin? First Noah, now Soria

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember

This is a team that was up by 5 runs and blew it with 2 outs. 1 run is nothing

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Down to our last Dunc - down to Memphis

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

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by akaitori on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If So can take Billy Wagner deep in the NLCS

then Dunc can hit a clutch HR in freaking June. COME ON DUNC.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no he can't

my fiance loved so taguchi…she thinks duncan looks like a demon

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More like the hillbilly from Mad Max

"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 17, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'

by bjork24 on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so if duncan somehow reaches do you ph for larue?

& who catches then?

40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?

by Podlol on Jun 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ufb

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

crap...

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

Izzy’s old spot in the doghouse is now open and waiting to be occupied.

"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on a ball hit to an infielder no less

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's here for another 10 days or so

hope he can contribute something to the offense. We’re going to need it.

by gocards62 on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he won't

nothing at all from his at bats, shows promise

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 17, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

win the next two or i’m going to kill villone.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Villone sucked in Philly

he had a 2.32 era in the ten games previous.

He got beat by a kid that was thundering in AAA

I would rather have perez/kmac in, but villone’s “suckage” isn’t really founded.

but he’s starting to earn it

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this one is on the offense

beating villone is acceptable…killing him is a little much

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

horrible effort by the O tonight

Joel deserved better

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by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how come every single time the cubs lose we lose

i know we shouldnt be paying attention to them but still. everytime

by huts04 on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Piss poor effort tonight.

No energy whatsoever.. I feel bad for anyone who paid to see this game in person.

I

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by stltrav09 on Jun 17, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What happens first

Duncans batting average drops to .210 or he gets sent down

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

c'mon

dont get down on Dunc, he is a robust 3 for 25 since his return

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't they all singles, too?

A robust ISO of .000

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and 1 walk

I like Duncan , but geez, one more fuckin excuse for him and I am going to puke. He is not worthy of a MLB roster spot at this point. Anyone who can actually convince themsleves he is must be smoking some good ass shit

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know it is hard to believe something like that

but I am having a hard time convincing myself that isn’t the case. Hell, there are at least 6 players in the minors who should be getting PA’s before Duncan. Especially if he is playing every damn day

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Just for the record I was only half-joking on that comment above

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bernie's got a good take on this

let DUNK get all the starts & at bats while the Cards face all these righty’s & AL teams. if at the end of this run, he still sucks, and he’s still on the team. then we can start saying his dad is the one keeping him on the team.

and i agree with that. the Cards will really be under the gun if DUNK doesn’t start to hit by then. albert’s on the shelf, there’s a ton of righty’s & AL teams coming up. this is a good test for him. if he fails, then he should go back to Memphis. if he does hits, keep him around. if he fails & doesn’t go back to Memphis, then what every one is thinking will be probably the truth. he’s only with the Cards because his dad is the pitching coach.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree

but until then you are giving away key at bats and possible games that might end up keeping us out of the playoffs.
If that does end up happening and Duncan still is playing, I don’t think it is out of line to call for Tony’s job. I really like Tony, but that is not putting the team first.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think those who believe TLR is making making management decisions for strictly personal reasons should call for his removal from the game of baseball. if i thought that were happening with my manager, i would be livid. personally, i think he’s experienced and intelligent enough to not attempt something that transparent in light of heavy fan and media scrutiny; it’s not like the duncan-duncan “link” is a difficult deduction.

when pujols went down it was mo that immediately announced duncan’s recall for 1B.

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do we know really what goes on there

I fault Mo for it to, anyone could see Duncan shouldnt have been called back up

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what is your preferred option for 1B in pujols’ absence?

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

give me

Phelps, Mather, Freese, Craig, Hamilton, Skippy, LaRue, Anderson, Rasmus..hell even Looper (mostly kidding about Loop)

Seriously, you make some very good points on here usually. You can’t actually think Duncan deserves to be starting at 1B right now. If so, please explain. I will listen

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I know, Hamilton is not doing good either

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of all our options, he seems to offer the best combination of experience and potential upside. mather seems to be the most popular name thrown about, and i love to see him play, but i think yarns have been spun about his walk-on value as a utility infielder – he’s played the vast minority of his games at those positions, and hasn’t really seen them since AA.

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why I gave the statement that I was half-joking

I’d honestly rather see Wallace given a shot right away over Dunc, the way he’s hitting right now

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was half joking too

I really don’t think it is nepotism, but appearances man, appearances

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line is that the longer Duncan and/or Ankiel get consistent ABs...

the more trouble the offense is in.

Simple answer is bye-bye to both and hello to Colby and Mather.

by stanchar on Jun 17, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know is defense is great and there is pop in that bat....

but at the end of the day if you asked me the two hitters I least want up in anything resembling an important situation—-it’s ANKIEL and DUNCAN.

Too often Ankiel looks like a good hitting pitcher.

by stanchar on Jun 17, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

since the end of April

his OPS has actually gone up, from .807 to .813.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's just really streaky

He’s on a cold streak right now. Wait until he heats up for a bit.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

when Ank is slumping he still isn’t as bad as Duncan has been

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his ops at the end of april was .892

since then, .741.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 17, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are correct

I got myself all worked up and just looked at the line dividing game 21 and 22 . I thought it was the end of April.
Still, no way Rick is the same drain as Dunc

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.741 “past April”. GG defense, developing bat. streaky.

I’d take it.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is a little harsh

at least Ank contributes to the offense, he did go 2 for 5 sunday with a double

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And contributes with his glove.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 17, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least villone got the loss

and not jo-el.

that’s gunna keep me happy tonight.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm a little happy it's over

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jun 17, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

now i can go to bed!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 17, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Villone just trying to show up piniero

8 innings to give up a run? How about 8 pitches….

by TheBirds on Jun 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Duncan situation reminds me of that scene in Little Big League

The kid manager keeps playing his favorite player despite him being washed-up and old. There’s a scene where he gets a single, and the kid is really excited and thinks this may be the beginning of the turnaround. The bench coach says “You’re getting this excited over a seeing-eye single” and the kid decides to drop him. That kind of sums up how I think TLR feels about Dunc

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think TLR likes Duncan

I think there are other forces at play here… mainly Satan and the Chicago Cubs.

less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'

by bjork24 on Jun 17, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's called a gimpy calf

and Mather coming up so close to it happening management “didn’t trust”.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not an exact analogy

But everytime I think of that scene, I think of TLR and Lil’ Dunc

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

just for the little big league ref.. and Mac the horses name was friday

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two sides

When we only score one run, we should expect to lose. But when we only give up two runs, we should expect to win. IMO, Villone sucked in a key situation, but this loss is all on the O

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 words

miss management

Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008

by Johnny64 on Jun 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Six words

No Albert Pujols or Yadier Molina

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one word

winnable

we had RISP, it was ours to lose. 1 run is b.s.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that

But if Al and Yadi were in the lineup, I’d put much better odds on scoring more than one run

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008

by Johnny64 on Jun 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

but i’ll contend we had the chances without them, and we had very bat at bats

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunc and LaRue (Al's and Yadi's replacements)

Had 3 AB w/RISP and got nothing out of it. Actually, they were a combined 0-7. Huge dropoff there.

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think i dated her once

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

:D

Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008

by Johnny64 on Jun 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I put the blame more on Tony than I do on Villone

Villone got beat, but that kid can hit and screamed out of AAA for the Royals.

Besides Philly and a couple of games a while back, Villone’s generally been a bulldog. But against someone with that hot of a bat in the 8th inning, you look for K-Mac, or Perez.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if course when you bring in your bullpen

they are expected to do their job.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

aww screw it!

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bullpen management

top three bullpen pitchers by FIP: perez, mcclellan, springer
top three bullpen pitchers by xFIP: mcclellan, perez, reyes

the entire bullpen just received a full day’s rest.

lefty or righty, i think it’s inexcusable to put villone in a high-leverage situation.

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Villone and Flores

neither one of them should be used for anything but mop up duty. When that happens to your lefty relievers, it is time to cut bait

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBA update

Phil can’t whine about officials tonight…his team stayed in LA yikes

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jun 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rodriguez

Arkansas is throwing all the Rodriguezes they have at Springfield today ;-)

by Woodwork on Jun 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope the offense gets going

I shutter to think how bad we will be beaten by the likes of the Red Sox and now red hot Tigers here soon if Ankiel & Duncan don’t step it up.

by KYCards on Jun 17, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if Duncan is still starting when we get to those series

I am not even gonna watch unless his ass gets on fire in the next two games. Shit, we should have Looper starting at first over Duncan

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

Duncan is getting his chance and he looks like crap. Mo is going to have to get another bat here soon, and probably via a trade if we are going to stay in the wild card hunt. Ankiel needs to be more patient at the plate…he is strking out way too much.

by KYCards on Jun 17, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

best fans in baseball! :)

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Duncan

dont give me the best fans in baseball line because I can tell he shouldn’t be playing. That is just lame

I seriously want him down working in the minors so we can get the old Duncan back. Working on your game at the major league level is not something you do when your team is in a pennant race.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just don’t personally understand threatening to not watch on the basis of one roster decision. if they started kelvin jiminez, i wouldn’t be boycotting.

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't serious about that

I will walk out during certain at bats though. If they started Jiminez, I would just never stop drinking

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough, no hard feelings.

by astrostl on Jun 17, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

none at all

I love a good debate on baseball. It can be done without getting ugly

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get to watch much because

I live in KY (I get the Reds games) and can’t afford MLB extra innings right now. But if I could watch, I would not be looking forward to the Red Sox Series at all. The Red Sox are like the Cubs this year…in that they just don’t seem to loose at home and they score a lot of runs there. If our “big bats” don’t get going it’s setting up to be a Boston mascare I’m afraid..I hope I’m wrong.

by KYCards on Jun 17, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem is

Tony will probably use him as a dh. with the extra bat we are going to be WORSE. I imagine alot more of kennedy and duncan than I want to see

by hoofhearted-pujols on Jun 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those upset about Duncan

do what I do, pretend he isn’t there. It’s fairly easy to do. When his spot in the lineup comes up, just give the team another out.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 17, 2008 11:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good advice

The same can be done with Kennedy & Larue on most nights as well. I hate to be negative but the holes in our line-up really glare on games like this.

by KYCards on Jun 17, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just got back

Fun game to watch. Great pitched game. Is there a size restriction on the fan post for images? I want to post one of Gibson throwing out the first pitch. I didn’t get the one of the replica tickets with Gibby signature.

by Evilfrog on Jun 17, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That stinks!

Why didn’t you get one? Were they already gone by the time you got there?

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 17, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What he said

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I was a little tipsy by the time I got home.

by Evilfrog on Jun 18, 2008 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

argh

just got back from the game.

If it wasnt for the awesome company and beautiful night….man

I just plain dont like villone, also the Royals fans seem to talk a lot of trash, whats with that?
I mean no one said anything to me personally, but just listening.

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by jealousblues on Jun 17, 2008 11:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my sister had a really bad experience with royals fans at the interleague game she attended last year :(

by astrostl on Jun 18, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i should say, that’s just a second anecdote. i do hope this is the exception, not the rule!

by astrostl on Jun 18, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and one of the tickets we got was broken

thats ok, it goes to my GFs mom (the GF gets the other one)

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by jealousblues on Jun 17, 2008 11:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Over at Royal Review

there are some good threads about the KC-St. Louis history and rivalry as well as a comparision of the best things about each city. http://www.royalsreview.com/

Although there are some over there that are none too happy that we are “ignoring” the “hub bub” about this I-70 series.

by KYCards on Jun 18, 2008 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We were joking

:)

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Jun 18, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...

Chris Duncan is the new Juan Encarnacion. It doesn’t matter what he does, a lot of you are going to hate him. I realize he’s sucking right now, but at least he has the ABILITY to be an everyday player. He just needs more time, and if Pujols weren’t hurt, he’d be getting it at the AAA level.

I understand he’s playing like crap. But do any of you honestly feel that they should be bringing up some of their AA and AAA guys to play 1b when they don’t even play that position in AA or AAA? I saw one commenter saying he’d even prefer Rasmus over Duncan at 1b. Seriously? Or burning an option on Bryan Anderson to play him at 1b? Seriously? Or Looper at first?

Honestly, give it time. If Duncan continues to stink, then by all means do something about it. But man, he needs to get himself untracked and this might be his best opportunity to do it. It’s certainly a better option than playing somebody who doesn’t even normally play 1b or burning an option year on a prospect just to have him play.

Like I said, if Duncan continues to be terrible, you could very well justify bringing up Freese or Allan Craig to play 3b and put Glaus at first…but give Duncan some time first. The brass obviously believes in him and he needs to get the benefit of the doubt because they want to see him succeed.

by mattisnotfrench on Jun 18, 2008 7:58 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

How much time do they give him?

I thought it was obvious that I meant I would rather have Rasmus, Mather,Freese, or Craig on the team instead of Duncan with Glaus sliding over to first base in Freese’s or maybe Craig’s case. I don’t think Rasmus should play first base but he has enough athletic ability that he could probably handle it (or Ludwick for that matter, Duncan isn’t exactly a world beater on D at first). I am pretty sure that I said I was mostly kidding about Looper.

So how much time do you give him? Since his OPS was last over .900 he has went 21-116 with 4 XBHs and 12 walks. His OPS now sits at .672 and his OPS+ at 79 (Miles and Izturis have OPS+ of 73!). That is not the production you need from your 1B when you are in contention (or ever for that matter).

I like Duncan. I wish we had the old Duncan back. I think he must still be hurt. Either that or he completely lost his stroke. I do not think he should be playing everyday at first base at the major league level while they HOPE he gets back to the old Duncan. Ability means nothing if you don’t produce.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

albert is only on the 15-day DL, and that is the reason duncan is playing 1B.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops, didn’t mean to submit that alone.

i trust you’re aware of this fact, but i think it needs to be emphasized that he’s not stealing ABs from anyone more deserving on the 40-man roster. if this were a healthy mather in LF against a platooned and struggling duncan, i’d definitely support keeping mather and starting duncan every day in memphis but we’re talking about 1B.

glaus and mather aren’t natural 1Bs, and mather is apparently hurt too. i would downright hate the idea of starting the clock on rasmus to have him here for as short as 10 days, ditto any other legit prospects, and i don’t see the point of burning options on others who might be seen as water-treading and new to the major leagues because we can still tread with duncan and his potential upside is something we’ve already seen on a major league level.

FIP > ERA, OBP > AVG

by astrostl on Jun 19, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, you have to

keep Rasmus up and keep him up if you are going to do that.
I know Glaus and Mather aren’t natural 1Bs, but Chris isn’t exactly a defensive wiz out there.
I am just saying having Duncan’s bat in the lineup everyday is not good for the team.
But oh well, fuck it.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 19, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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