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i had lunch saturday w/ a work colleague and his family, and one of his daughters (11 years old) taught us all a simple card game called "bullshit." you deal out the entire deck; first person to play all his / her cards wins. whoever has the ace of spades plays it first to start the game, and then the player to his / her right has to play a 2, and the next person has to play a 3, etc etc; when you get up to king, you cycle back around to ace and keep going. every card is played face down, so the other players can’t see whether or not you’re bluffing --- and you have to bluff at some point, because there inevitably comes a play when you simply don’t have the card you need. e.g., you’re supposed to play a 8 but you don’t have one in your hand, so you just play a 3 or a jack or whatever and hope nobody calls you on it. opponents can call "bullshit" after any play if they think you’re bluffing, but if somebody calls you and you’re not bluffing then the accuser has to pick up all the cards played to date and add them to his / her hand. that’s a big deterrent, so if you’re a passable bluffer and you look a few moves ahead, you can get away with a lot of crap.

the cardinals are getting pretty good at playing bullshit. when, as so often happens these days, they don’t have a necessary card in their hand --- a starting pitcher, say; or a first baseman, a closer, a middle infielder, a left-handed reliever --- they just toss out whatever’s handy (doesn’t matter what, anything will do) and hope they don’t get called on it. some of you will think i’m making fun of the team or putting it down, but i mean this as a compliment. there is a certain skill to playing bullshit --- things you can do to manage your hand, minimize your bluffs, and keep the opposition guessing --- and the cardinals (who aren’t playing the game by choice) may have the knack for it. there’s also the possibility, as in every card game, that they’re winning more on luck than on merit, but i don’t want to go there. any team that has 10 pitchers plus albert pujols on the disabled list deserves credit for every win it can muster, even ones that come at least partially wrapped in fancy paper with a ribbon and bow. yesterday’s gift wasn’t quite as egregious as their win down a houston a week ago --- aside from the 8th inning, the cardinals played a solid game yesterday and deserved to win; molina literally sacrificed his body (not permanently thank god, but it was scary) for that victory. all the same, the tie should have carried over to the 11th inning, and the phillies had a distinct pitching edge at that point in the game --- lidge (0.93 era) and seanez (2.38) were still available, while the cards only had reyes, villone, and isringhausen left. (how long do you suppose that game would have had to go on before tony’d put isringhausen in to pitch? i almost think they’d rather send miles back to the mound than expose izzy to a do-or-die situation --- and dubious hometown fans --- in his first game back.)

but maybe the cardinals have been due for a little gift-wrapping. last month i noted that they stood last in the league in baserunners who reached on errors, or ROEs; their bad luck in that regard is evening out with a vengeance this month. they lead the league in ROEs during june, with 10 --- which is nearly as many as they had in april and may combined (13) --- and while they’re inching their way toward the middle of the pack in this regard (they now stand 13th in the league in ROEs), they still are owed a few favors by opposing defenders. so no need to apologize for the 10th-inning freebies; they had ’em coming.

the cards are hardly through playing bullshit; on the contrary, they’ll having to become ever more creative. the next move, due before the kc series opens tuesday, will be the addition of a 3d catcher for a few days while they make sure molina’s ok. bryan anderson isn’t on the 40-man and it would be foolhardy to burn an option year on him for stopgap purposes, so they’ll recall one of the johnsons (mark or gabe) and send out a pitcher. not sure which pitcher you send out, though --- it might end up being wellemeyer, who is scheduled to test his tender elbow in a bullpen session tuesday. if things don’t go well, imagine he’ll be bound for the dl. if the elbow passes muster, presumably boggs (who was lucky he only got tagged for 3 runs yesterday) or reyes will be the odd man out. the cards have 3 off days between now and the all-star break, which means they’ll be able to skip the 5th starter’s turn a couple of times; if they could find a way to elide the 4th starter as well and just get by with just looper, lohse, and pineiro, i’d like their chances better . . . . .

whatever; they’ll just have to bluff their way through. if they're still in this shape a month from now they might have to swing a trade, but the team is so clearly in need right now (and the trade deadline is so far away) that it's hard to see how they get favorable terms for a deal. dayn perry suggested the other day that the cards should consider trading rasmus and bryan anderson for cc sabathia (subscriber-only link); terrible idea in my opinion. i think they're best served to stand pat at least through the all-star break and reasses at that point, see who's healthy and how the standings look. as improbable as it may seem, this is a hot team. since losing to tampa bay 3-1 exactly a month ago today, the cards have gone on an 18-9 run that’s been far more impressive than the 19-11 spurt with which they opened the season --- tougher opposition, more road games, and an injury-depleted roster. they scored over 5 runs a game during that 18-9 segment and held opponents to 4.5 runs; if we discount friday night’s 20-run bruise from consideration, the cards’ per-game yield has been just over 4 runs a contest during the last 30 days.

i don’t see how they can sustain performance like that given the injury glut, but i (like most folks) have underestimated the club all year. baseball prospectus now gives them almost a 50-50 chance of making the playoffs --- a fine place to be with the summer just starting.

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You know, Larry

there’s a PG-rated version of that game but, as I’ve only played it a couple of times (I’m used to the R-rated version, as well), I forget the name. Is it bullcrap? I don’t think so. Anyway, that way you could avoid playing “bullshit” w/ 11 year olds. Pretty fun game.

With luck, Molina misses maybe the KC series at most and we only need a 3rd C for 3 games. Molina doesn’t have to go on the DL and Reyes or Boggs can be sent down and replaced w/ one of the Johnsons. They’re not good but, for 3 games, they wouldn’t have to be. Molina also should get a well-earned break over the All-Star break as he’s not likely to make the team (despite a very strong 1st half).

As for trades, I say the Cards should avoid them. There’s no way I want to be trading one of our young guys for some older SP. Let’s ride it out w/ what we’ve got. If it’s enough—great. If it’s not, at least we’re prepared for next year and beyond.

by chuckb on Jun 16, 2008 9:13 AM EDT   0 recs

+1

If we ride what we got and fail. This team will only get better for next year.

If we bet the farm and fail. Next year is going to suck.

by Evilfrog on Jun 16, 2008 9:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Highly agree

We should play “the hard nine” across the rest of the season, aggressively promote within minors (and to the team as needed). Play every game as if it counts and see where we end up. But if we start to slide, we shouldn’t rush “emergency trades”.

Everyone leans on the buy low sell high aspect to trades, but we shouldn’t for a second forget the notion of never showing desperation as we lose all trading power.

We trade the farm for a win now strategy, we’ll be doing it with obvious depth issues from injuries and no team, regardless of GM would allow us to get something reasonable.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 16, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not on the trade boat either

it seems this fine is doing well by itself, along with Memphis

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we always called it bologna sandwich(still BS)

thats until we turned about 13 or 14 and though cursing was the coolest thing on the planet…cooler even than zach morris

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 16, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

liar!

who or what could be cooler than zach “the zach attack” morris? except for maybe parker lewis… dude seriously can’t lose.

by mattybobo on Jun 16, 2008 10:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BS

We always just said “BS” around parents and such, in middle school…after that, parents don’t really care as much, right?

by stlfan on Jun 16, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OK...

care about curse words being uttered…

by stlfan on Jun 16, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

I was a master at that game when I was like 10. Of course I had two older brothers that didn’t “shield” such words and an uncle who wasn’t too concerned.

Now, I’ve switched to 7 card stud (and hi low), Razz, real life play and online.

Occasional Holdem tourney, mainly online.

And I still mutter bullshit, except I lose chips when I’m wrong, not gain cards

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 16, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I learned it

As BS—just the initials needed to be called out.

by Cardinal70 on Jun 16, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

That’s how I learned it as well.

by saladdays on Jun 16, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i learned it as B.S.

and when i play with a younger crowd, I tell them it means “bologna sandwich.”

by soccerfreak on Jun 16, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I learned it when I was eleven

and they all told me it stood for ‘boy scouts’.

by Phizzle on Jun 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When the teachers were around in elementary school

it was called “liar, liar”

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!

I don't care about your fantasy team.

by stltrav09 on Jun 16, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I learned it as "I doubt it"

very clean in my family. I was sheltered

"Give a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night. Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life."

by BigMOman on Jun 16, 2008 1:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I learned it as...

... “Cardinal’s medical staff report”.

by punditmoi on Jun 16, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this injury to Molina will be a good test for the medical staff

Given the Cardinals experience in recent years with concussion injuries (Edmonds and knowledge of Matheny’s problems), they should be able to avoid the dumb mistakes the Mets have made with Ryan Church. In fact, given the nature of concussions, I think a preventative 15 day DL stint wouldn’t be the worst idea at all.

by JMedwick on Jun 16, 2008 9:41 AM EDT   0 recs

Agreed

Concussions are nothing to jack around with…

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 16, 2008 9:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Concussions are scary

They’re brain injuries, and we’ve already seen Mike Matheny have to retire because of them. Would hate to see Yadi take the same route by rushing him back too quickly.

by Yellow Dog on Jun 16, 2008 10:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 16, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boggs

I thought he pitched better this game than the last game. Strikeouts were up and walks where down. Phillies are a very dangerous team. I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me if they scored 20 runs in a game…

Anyway. Boggs preformance there gives me up for the future. Like Big Dunc said. He just needs to refine his offspeed stuff before he is ready for the Majors. I have faith he can be a good starting pitcher at the Major league level.

Other good things about the game:

Ludwick continuing to roll. Glaus continuing to Homer. Ankiel starting to heat up. It’s the first time in awhile he has had a multi hit game. He hasn’t been hitting for average lately. But his last hits are 2 home runs; 2 doubles, and a triple.

by Evilfrog on Jun 16, 2008 9:58 AM EDT   0 recs

+1

Phillies can make anyone look like fools, let alone a rookie. I think he did himself some justice yesterday and for a guy who didn’t prospect like Garcia, Perez et all has, I’m pleasantly surprised.

He can live off his arsenal if he was in the pen, but he does need a solid off speed pitch if he’s going to project to start. I think Tony is doing the right thing by not giving too many looks through the line up with any team so far, confidence and toolset both considered.

Also to note, I think this is the best thing for Glaus. Having followed him through a bit of his career he’s having probably one of his better years, and even in the slow start and lack of pop you could tell it wasn’t going to last forever. Allergies have a way of really making things hard. But you can tell the guy truly believes in the team concept, enjoys playing for us.

I don’t see him pressing with the injury woes, I see him excelling in them.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 16, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And props to Tony

for pulling the kid at exactly the right time.

by tinstl on Jun 16, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

excited about Boggs

whether or not he has a lot more time in the minors, I think he’ll be a regular Cardinal starter, maybe even next season (if not before)

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not a fan of the Sabathia proposal

simply because he’s a free agent after this season. He isn’t just any “older SP;” in fact, he’s not that old (27), it just seems like he is “older” because he arrived in the Show at a young age. If there was some reasonable certainty of being able to hold onto him after this year, I could see the deal as a matter of exchanging one asset for a different, more urgent one—that’s what front offices are for, and as events this year have shown, one can never have too much starting pitching. But with the free-agent situation, forget it; beyond this year, the effect would just be to exchange Raz and Anderson for two first-round draft choices, and they’re very unlikely to fetch players as good as the ones traded.

Who’s the “emergency catcher” on the major-league roster? The answer affects the decision whether to call up a Johnson or Anderson.

by StanTheManFan on Jun 16, 2008 10:00 AM EDT   0 recs

i think it may be miles

but don’t quote me on that..dave duncan maybe?

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 16, 2008 10:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it is

Miles is the emergency catcher, and will be if Molina is sidelined

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 16, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course it's Miles

Emergency SS, emergency reliever, and emergency catcher. That’s grit, baby.

by bgh on Jun 16, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Question is

if we’re ever up by ten runs again should we let Miles pitch so he keeps his arm up for endurance for the blow out games?

Secret Weapon II? Gulp :(

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 16, 2008 10:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and, apparently

emergency SS. Misplay on a DP grounder cost us at least 1 run, and maybe 2, yesterday. With 2 other SS’s on the roster, why he’s in there unless someone has died or gotten mauled by an incoming runner is absolutely beyond me.

by chuckb on Jun 16, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Emergency Catcher...

I believe it is Miles, but I could be wrong on that—someone correct me if I am…

I don’t think you give up your two best position player prospects in a deal to get a pitcher who’s probably commanding Santana money in the offseason. If they were to sign Sabathia at $120 million over 6 years (and that’s generously low) they’d have about $30 million tied up between him and Carpenter on a payroll that’s probably not going to exceed $120 million any time soon. Probably not the best idea…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 16, 2008 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that and...

Sabathia doesn’t look all that good this year.

His whip hasn’t been this high in 4 years. His K:BB hasn’t been this low in 3 years. I know ERA isn’t a great indicator, but his ERA+ is below 100 (barely) for the first time ever.

I know he has been an ace pitcher in the past and is pretty young…but so was Dontrelle Willis for a year or two.

by stlfan on Jun 16, 2008 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And he's getting awfully fat for a 27 year old.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 16, 2008 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just for the record, his whole family is very tall and also very heavy.

CC has been quite the XXXL large his entire life. He is in much better shape than he appears. Honestly. Look at his IP totals for the last several years. You don’t toss that many innings if you aren’t in shape.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 16, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

generally, i agree with you, and i certainly do in sabathia's case,

but, this guy has certainly thrown his share of innings, and…

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 16, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ok

But there’s a flip side to that as well…

1. He’s still going pretty deep into games (6+ innings in most starts, even the bad ones)
2. Comparing him to Willis is completely unfounded—Sabathia has gotten progressively better throughout his career, and he won 20 games and the Cy for the AL last year. Willis has never been the pitcher that Sabathia is.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 16, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Willis had a hell of a 2004 season

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 16, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2004?

I think you mean 2005, when he was 22-10 with a 151 ERA+ and 170 K’s. He hasn’t approached those numbers since, and has been in steady decline over the last two years. The Marlins were glad to unload his contract I’m sure.

Sabathia, on the other hand, was 19-7 with a 143 ERA+ and 209 K’s last year, put up an ERA+ of 141 in 2006, and his worst year of ERA+ is better than Willis’ the past two years. Not to mention that he’s on pace to to strike out over 200 hitters again this year. If you factor out his terrible start and his team’s sudden inability to score runs when he starts, his numbers for 2008 would look much better.

They are not comparable pitchers. Sabathia has been much better over the course of his career than Willis, excepting that one good season. Hey, Bud Smith had one good season too remember?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 16, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm not calling them comparable,

but Willis did have a Cy caliber season. Just one, but still…

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jun 16, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sabathia vs. Willis

The original poster stated that a reason to not trade for Sabathia was because Willis was good for a while, so Sabathia may be headed for a decline, in essence comparing them.

I agree that we shouldn’t go after him, but only because we couldn’t sign him long term and I don’t think giving up the prospects it would take to get him would be a postive move for the organization.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 16, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he began the season

with four consecutive starts in which he didn’t last longer than 5 1/3, gave up 4, 5, 9 and 9 earned runs, and only struck out 7 batters once; the other 3 games totaling 7 k’s. oh, yeah, he walked 2,3,4 and 5.

since then in 11 subsequent starts, he’s lasted at least 6, hasn’t given up more than 4 runs and only did that in 3 of those 11 games, struck out more than 7 in 7 of those games and has just pitched better.

nevertheless, i don’t like the deal, but not because c.c. isn’t producing. it’s more a question of too much to give up and his walk year status.

by sdesserman on Jun 16, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like a deal, just not that one

As you say, Sabathia has had just one bad month – this April – and has been nails since. He’s been unlucky in W-L, though.

I agree that Rasmus + Anderson is too much to give up, but what if it was Anderson + Jess Todd, a guy who is absolutely burning up the minors right now?

Also, I wouldn’t worry too much about Sabathia’s contract year status – we will have a lot of money to spend with several contracts coming off the books for ‘09. We should be able to make a competitive offer, and lock up a left-handed power prodigy without any significant injury history.

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Jun 16, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 16, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

His FIP is right in line with the last three years

The only difference is he’s walked a bunch of batters at the beginning of the year…and when you’re working off of 1.38/2.06 BB/9 that shows up as a much bigger difference in K/BB than it actually is in terms of performance…and even then over the past 30 days it’s been right back in line at 5.71.

Unlike Willis, his velocity is exactly what it’s been for the last two years (of course there was a drop from ‘05-’06 but whatever).

I have no doubts that Sabathia is still a legitimate ace pitcher; at the same time, I severely doubt he’s worth trading Rasmus for in a mid-season deal.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 16, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

PS Fangraphs is the greatest thing ever...

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 16, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

I read the Perry piece in BP and I laughed out loud. Why on earth would anyone burn arguably their top 2 prospects for 3 months of Sabbathia? I don’t think anyone of sound mind and body thinks that they would be able/willing to resign him after the season for the 5/100 range its going to take…

As a matter of fact, I have a question:

If it were guaranteed that the cardinals would make the playoffs this year if they traded Rasmus and Anderson for Sabbathia, would you do it?

I vote no. I’ll take my chances with what we’ve got…at least for now.

by farley503 on Jun 16, 2008 10:13 AM EDT   0 recs

Yes.

Trade Rasmus & Anderson for Sabathia.
Boomer.

by glamboomer on Jun 16, 2008 10:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

please don't Mo

please. please dont’ trade rasmus for sabathia. or anyone.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jun 16, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

would i trade colby & bryan

NO WAY!!!!

A man's got to know his limitations

by stlsports on Jun 16, 2008 10:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No way.

A guarantee that the Cardinals would win the World Series, however, makes it a very different question …

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 16, 2008 12:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if they're gonna make a run at the series ....

they better hope they have enough left over to get Brian Roberts also

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 16, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rampant trade rumor mongering

OK – so I was blowing off work and saw this line over at sportsline.com

More trade talk: A major league executive said Sunday that the Blue Jays are shopping A.J. Burnett, but that they’re looking for a young outfielder (preferably left-handed hitting) in return.

We wouldn’t have any of those would we?

by birdo rojo on Jun 16, 2008 10:16 AM EDT   0 recs

Doubtfull

Couldn’t hurt to ask though.

by Evilfrog on Jun 16, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not really

Trading him at this point is the epitome of a sell low approach. Doesn’t necessarily make it a bad idea, but there won’t be much value to be gained in dealing him other than perhaps the opportunity cost of others being blocked by keeping him.

by Merry CRasmus on Jun 16, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We don't even want him...the problem with earmarking players for trades is that usually those

are the ones that are sucking and really who wants a sucky player so by the time they get good again we don’t want to trade him….

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Jun 16, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I haven't paid attention

but how happy have they been with Rolen, and while not directly related – Eck?

If they view both ex Cards as positives they may like to work with us again.

Dunno how I feel about going for AJ though.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 16, 2008 10:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Young and Younger

Age young or MLB experience (i.e. under control) young? Because, frankly, neither Skippy, Dunc, nor Ankiel are spring chickens.

by bgh on Jun 16, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know who they want.

And my answer is still, “Um, Duncan?”

by Evilfrog on Jun 16, 2008 10:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll pass on Burnett...

don’t we have enough pitchers with a history of arm problems? Carp, Mulder, Clement, Pineiro….enough is enough. Burnett has only started at least 28 games twice in his whole career. I wouldn’t condone any Rasmus deal, but Sabathia has made at least 28 starts every season and has a Cy Young to boot.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 16, 2008 11:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Burnett also has a bit of an "attitude" problem.....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 16, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Attitudes can be a reflection on the environment just as much as it can be on the person. Not arguing for AJ, I personally don’t have confidence in the medical staff to take a chance, but there’s an argument that a change of scenery could be the best prescription for “tude” issues, regardless if they’re real or media hyped.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 16, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, I'm referring to the ugly way he ended up leaving the Marlins.....

and he does have the folks in Toronto in an uproar right now. Who knows?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 16, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

While the attitude problem is a good point...

It wouldn’t deter me from acquiring him. The fact that the cards are already paying 25 million to pitchers who are hurt or recovering from injuries, would certainly stray me away from anyone who has had an injury history such as burnett’s. Not to mention that if he did get hurt, he’d be relying on George “The Butcher” Paletta for his medical care.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 16, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I'm not saying acquire someone or don't because of a reputation of attitude problems.

A whole bunch of things go into that, including the key question of why is there a problem. You usually find a whole bunch of people at fault when you look deeper. But he’s been hurt, and hurt badly. He annually ends up on the disabled list.. He is committed to the top dollar too. The injuries make him not worth it…..so I’d pass. Except maybe you could rent a 1/2 season by offering the unwanted one…....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 16, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up