New 2B?

by Jumsy on Jun 11, 2008 1:01 PM EDT Comment 28 comments

With all of the disappointment oozing from Detroit this season, there are rumors of possibly trading some of their talent. The only one that interests me greatly is a guy by the name of Placido Polanco.

He is solid defensively and hits for a decent average. He is a high contact hitter (opens up the hit and run as an offensive option without much risk, 17K through 222 ABs this season). He would be a great fit for the 2nd spot in the order and is not that costly 4.6 million and is signed through '09. I would even say that by throwing Kennedy's dfa'd salary on top of that and Polanco would still be a value, IMO. He will be 33 in October so after '09, it would be a good time to get out before the major decline begins.

What would it take to get Polanco? Motte? Motte +1 Prospect? Reyes?

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Polanco is an amazing 2nd baseman and best friends with Albert. Not sure what is would take…Motte plus Reyes sounds about right…

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by NandoFan1 on Jun 11, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not shure

But isnt Albert the God Father of Polanco’s kid?

Yadi is my hero

by Big Phil on Jun 11, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed 100%.

would love to have Polanco back~!

I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!

by dangpenguins on Jun 11, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

if we could somehow dump kennedy on them that would make me a very happy man

by PolancoMcEwing on Jun 11, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Salas + Motte could get it done.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not against it...

He makes +4m next year, and is FA in 2010.

Miles goes away again next year, leaving us Ryan to be Miles. Kennedy goes to hell.

That would not be a bad deal at all.

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by bukowski on Jun 11, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that is funny

Miles goes away again…why do I have the feeling as long as Tony is here, Miles will be too

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 11, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

its like this

meet aaron miles the new mike gallego

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by elirock83 on Jun 12, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd wait till we see what's wrong with Albert before we do ANYTHING

Besides DFA Kennedy and bring up the bat boy from Springfield that is.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 11, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Forgot to add

that getting Polanco now would mean that Glaus could move to 1st until AP is healthy and Ryan or Polanco could man 3rd…Plus we have a much needed upgrade at 2B after Albert returns.

Detroit does like the power arms…Rodney and Zumaya

by Jumsy on Jun 11, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

As much as I like Polanco

trading top prospects for thirty two year veterans at this time does not excite me at all. come late July, still in race, good chance to make playoffs, definitely still a necessity….UMmmm…maybe.

by ridgesee on Jun 11, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ditto

by adiueordie on Jun 11, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ditto ditto

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why does it make more sense

to do it in july than to do it now? Assuming the prospect cost is the same, you get less “polanco” for your money if you wait.

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

presumably you know more

about your team’s postseason chances by waiting… and thus don’t trade prospects away for a fairly marginal difference-maker. it does seem to me like polanco’s value is magnified on a contender, but it doesn’t turn a pretender into one. did that make any sense?

by baw on Jun 12, 2008 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would jump all over it if we could get him for motte and reyes

i fear motte won’t ever be able to get ml hitters out…plus salas in AA is the same type pitcher with better stuff

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 11, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Salas is not the same type of pitcher as Motte

Motte = Power
Salas = Finesse

Salas tops out in the low 90’s, he lives off his absolutely filthy Curveball.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

As raconteur said they’re really not the same at all. Motte is a fireballer, probably the strongest arm in the system, but with no real offspeed pitch, while Salas has an average to slightly above average fastball with a plus curveball.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 11, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was talking about being a set up man prospect...they're the same type in that way

but i did think salas threw harder than that…don’t we have another prospect in the minors that throws heat and has a slider that sits in the upper 80’s or am i just making that up

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 11, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not making it up.

You, my friend, are thinking of Francisco Samuel, a young fireballer currently whiling away his days in the friendly environs of Palm Beach.

Samuel, who for some odd reason is nicknamed ‘Mosquito II’, throws a fastball that hits up to about 97, and a slider that he can pump all the way up to right around 90 mph. Samuel is pitching very, very well this year, after having had massive control issues in the past. He started out this year in much the same way, but has come around lately. He looks like he’s finally beginning to really figure out what he’s doing on the mound.

Salas has a fastball right around 90, with a curveball that, honestly, is tough to even describe to you. It might remind you a little bit of Takashi Saito, but an even bigger break to it. He doesn’t throw all that hard, but Salas has been almost completely untouchable this season. In fact, both he and Samuel have been downright wicked.

What this book presupposes is, maybe he didn't?

by the red baron on Jun 12, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah yes

i thought this phantom pitcher existed…how can you not just be in love with all the arms we have in the minors…obama/luhnow 2008

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 12, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer the obama/bartman ticket

by MotherTruckinSteve on Jun 12, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another player to possibly trade...

could be David Freese. Detroit doesn’t really have a 3B and will be looking to add someone for the future. Since the Cards just drafted Wallace (hopefully the future at 3B for the Cards) and we also have Craig in the minors, it would seem logical to make room for the Walrus.

And if you don’t like the idea of trading Freese, look at it like this: We traded Jim Edmonds at the end of his career for Placido Polanco. Sounds pretty good to me…

by Jumsy on Jun 11, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I would add to the overall positive sentiment here

but everything I would say has been said.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 11, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"I tell ya whut"

as Hank Hill would say… I will violate aet’s wisdom and risk adding the (maybe not so insignificant) FACT that the St. Louis fans at the ball park would stand and applaud for long minutes the first time Polanco came to the plate once again in a Cardinal uniform.
Hopefully the Tigers are in a scapegoat mood and might let PP loose for less than we think… maybe just as a favor to HIM. Polanco is still a Cardinal in MY heart; he belongs back in St. Louis.

by the Tewk on Jun 12, 2008 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok, here's a crazy suggestion

the marlins are going to collapse any day now, as soon as uggle stops carrying them. When they do, Jorge Cantu (a 2B playing 3B for the marlins) might become available, since he is only signed for this year. He might be available for cheap; if he is, we should at least inquire.

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cantu

He’s an absolute butcher with the glove at 2B—look at it this way: he’s probably worse than Uggla, who isn’t winning any Gold Gloves, or bronze gloves even…

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by fourstick on Jun 12, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would really like to see Polanco

back in a Cardinal uni, but I would also hesitate to trade away much of value for him. He’s getting to that age when a lot of second basemen seem to just pretty much fall off the cliff. Still, though, Motte seems to be fairly fungible at this point, with Perez above him and Salas, Samuel and others below him. He seems like the type the Tigers like, ie a raw power arm they can try to mold into a useful reliever. if you could get Polanco away from the Tigers for something along the lines of Motte+Reyes or Motte+say, Haerther, I think I would probably do it.

I would really hesitate to give up anything more than that sort of package, though.

What this book presupposes is, maybe he didn't?

by the red baron on Jun 12, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs