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Mea Culpa

All right, everybody. I'm really, really sorry. Ever since I posed the question of who would hurt this team the most if they were to go down, we've had nothing but bad luck. Young ace pitcher, down. Greatest Hitter in the Game, down. What next? You know what, I'm not even going to vocalise that question out of fear. Still, I obviously somehow invited in the bad kharma, and for that I apologise. I just thought I was trying to start a discussion, not end our season.

I can't find confirmation of it anywhere just yet, (edit: right here ) but KTRS is reporting that the Cardinals have already informed Chris Duncan he's on his way back up. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this move. It's obviously the most sensible, easiest move, but I wonder if it's really the right one. Duncan was sent down to Memphis in order to try and get his stroke back, in a lower pressure environment, with less of the microscope that comes with failing at the major league level. He hasn't done that. He's played six games total since being optioned, (and isn't starting against left handed pitchers there, either) and is currently hitting .190 without a homer. That's not exactly indicative of a player who has his stroke back.

Of course, our only other real option at this point is to put Joey Bombs over at first for the time being, and Mather isn't exactly lighting the world on fire at the moment either. He's not lost at the plate or anything, he just looks like a rookie getting his first taste of major league calibre pitching. Personally, I think he'll make the adjustments and get himself going, but maybe filling in for the best hitter in baseball isn't the best situation for him to try and get himself going. Thoughts?

It looks like Pineiro is going to be able to take his turn on Thursday, which is excellent news. As good as the Cards' young pitchers have been this year, (and even Parisi was quite good in a bullpen role) I'm not sure that I'm particularly eager to tempt fate further by bringing up someone like a Jaime Garcia, Mortensen, or Jess Todd just yet. I don't think any of those guys are quite ready yet, and I would hate to see one of them come up, get knocked around, and lose confidence because of it. Sort of win the battle, lose the war sort of proposition, if you ask me. Thankfully, Jo-El, (does anyone find themselves wishing that we still had Cal Eldred on this team, just so we could have Jo-El and Cal-El at the same time?) appears to be ready to come back.

Enough doom and gloom. Let's talk about positives. Let's talk about Mitchell Boggs making his debut.

I've got to say, Boggs was really, really good last night. He didn't blow the Reds away or anything, but for a guy making his major league starting debut on both short notice and somewhat short rest, he was fantastic.

You could tell he was amped out of the gate; he couldn't find the strikezone and was consistently throwing 94-95 in that first inning. Luckily, the Cincinnati nine helped him out a bit with some poor situational hitting, and Mr. Boggs settled in nicely after that. His fastball was sitting pretty comfortably at 93 or so, and his sinker hummed in there at right about 90. What I was surprised by was just how much movement he has on that two seamer of his. All the scouting reports I've read on him have mentioned that he has good sink, but I wasn't prepared for the hard boring action he was producing on those pitches. Speaking of scouting reports, I'm a little curious about something. From Baseball America:

"Boggs has scrapped his curve and has developed a wipeout slider that now ranks as one of the best in the system."- Prospect Handbook 2008

I have to admit, I'm not seeing the wipeout slider. I saw a nice little curveball that he struggled a bit to command last night, but no slider. A while back, over at Future Redbirds , Azruavatar wrote up a detailed scouting report on Boggs that said about the same thing. And I quote:

"The slider was a fringe pitch thrown only 5-6 times over the course of the game."

Az graded Boggs' slider as about a 30 on the 20-80 scouting scale, and I think I would be inclined to basically agree with that. I think it might be a little better than a 30, but not much. Regardless of the exact grade, the pitch that Boggs throws is a far cry from the "wipeout" slider that was described by BA. I have to wonder, what became of the pitch that the BA scouts saw? If anyone has any sort of inside info on what exactly is going on with Mitchell's breaking pitches, I would greatly appreciate some assistance.

Overall, though, I was encouraged by what I saw on the mound last night. I think Boggs has an excellent delivery, and should remain very durable, which in itself has a lot of value. His two fastballs should be enough, even without better secondary pitches, to allow him to have some success at this level. If he could figure out a way to improve that slider or maybe add a splitter or something, I think he could be a very successful major league pitcher. As it stands now, Wainwright looks to be out at least three weeks, so we're going to need some players to pitch in and shoulder the load. I think Boggs is up to the challenge.

News and notes:

There's a nice little article over at the P-D which details, among other things, exactly what is wrong with A.D.A.M. There's also some updates on the progress of Matt "the Chin" Clement and Muldoo.

The Cards aren't wasting any time in signing their recent draft picks, according to the Scout Network website. This makes me a very happy panda. Included in the article, and highlighted in one that requires a subscription, is also the news that they've agreed to terms with their supplemental pick, Lance Lynn from Ole Miss. Plug for the Scout guys: if you aren't a subscriber to their service, you should consider becoming one. Outstanding stuff on a daily basis.

Speaking of Lynn, Chris O' Leary had a nice breakdown of Lynn over at his site. I do really like the kid's delivery, and O' Leary absolutely loves him. He's a little higher on Lynn than I am overall, but I definitely think Lynn has the potential to be a great value pick for the Cardinals. With his size and mechanics, he should deliver the innings, at the very least.

I wonder how long before the Cardinals look to promote Fernando Salas to Memphis? They signed him as a free agent out of Mexico in early 2007, and he's been kicking ass and chewing bubblegum ever since. (By the way, Fernando Salas doesn't chew bubblegum.) There are really only three numbers you need to know about Mr. Salas; to know more would only force you to confront your own mortality.

35 2/3 innings pitched

8 bases on balls

56 strikeouts.

So, I wonder when he's moving up?

The Cards have already guaranteed themselves a winning road trip, taking 5 out of the first seven with two to play. Now comes the tough part, though: playing without Albert. Let's hope they're up to the challenge.

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sorry, I don't have anything to say...

I don’t feel too well right now…need to go back to bed…get into fetal position.

by tbell61 on Jun 11, 2008 8:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

....sokay...

El Hombre’ will bounce back, hes a healer and resilent type….besides, he cant stand watching! Being on the bench creates mang-size catchecolamines that speed healing in the injured area and creates a great need in the brain to have a bat and glove nearby at all times….at least in Alberts case. Lets hope he takes the time to actually heal up.

by cardschinmusic on Jun 11, 2008 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did they play without him already?

Only 2 games in Wsh but they did play without him and split those 2. Also he was 0-12 or something in Hou and they won 2-1 in that series. It will be harder without the threat of AP but I think this group could play fine without him.

Vs RHP Schumaker, Miles/Ryan, Ankiel, Ludwick, Glaus, Duncan, Molina, Pitcher, Kennedy/Izturis
Vs LHP Ryan, Barton, Ludwick, Ankiel, Glaus, Mather, Molina, Pitcher, Izturis/Miles

Not the same without AP but not horrible either.

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 8:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

if it’s short term (rest of the month or so) then we’ll be ok.

In that 0-12 he still represented the #2 hitters getting decent pitches, even if he’s 0’fer whatever he’s still making an impact, and as far as the doubleheader goes..

remember, it was the nationals and he did have a PH bomb in the day game

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference...

Between him taking a day off and not being able to play. His mere presence in the lineup raises OBP for the team and situational pitching issues for the other manager. I think that Tony will have to put more runners in motion with him out, looking to steal some bases and playing small ball to get some runs. This really comes at the worst possible time for the club as well— the next two weeks have a horribly difficult schedule of games.

Question: When do we get to play the Tigers at home? I believe this is 3 years in a row that the Cards have had to go to Detroit….

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 11, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct, sir.

Three years in a row playing the Tigers at Comerica.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I believe they’ve also gone to Boston every time they’ve played the Sox. How can the interleague play be so unbalanced every single year?

I would guess it has something to do with the fact that the National League has more teams or something, but that would explain why the AL has a much better record in interleague play, THEY GET MORE GAMES AT HOME.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 11, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we played

The Rays and the Royels here.

So in interleauge we are playing 6 at home and 6 on the road.

by Evilfrog on Jun 11, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still no excuse...

for playing the Tigers three years in a row on the road….

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 11, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not true

We play the Royals, Red Sox and Tigers on the road. We get Tampa Bay and KC at home. That makes 9 on the road and 6 at home.

by indakind on Jun 11, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doh!

We play KC on the Road too.

I hate interleague play. I hate the American league. Baseball is played by 9 people not freakin 10.

by Evilfrog on Jun 11, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

i find it very annoying that actual baseball teams have to play against arena baseball teams at all, let alone for some sort of imaginary “world championship”.

by mattybobo on Jun 11, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's gay,

just “different” and not as good. I will always favor NL, however, I totally consider the AL a different sport entirely.

Somebody put it best here, I cant remember who:

“the winner of the national league is actually the champion of baseball. then there’s the american league, which plays something a lot like baseball, only the pitchers don’t have to hit, and according to official rules only teams from boston and new york are allowed to compete for the championship. then the winner of baseball (NL) and bizarro-ball play in a seven game exhibition "world series"

anybody remember who said that let me know, that shit’s going on my myspace as a quote.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 11, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was totally me!

i was sort of alluding to it above in the hopes that anybody remembered it. i would be honored to be quoted, i found it rather amusing myself.

by mattybobo on Jun 11, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and in fairness

it’s sort of based on a couple baseball conversations between myself and my other clever buddies, so it’s not entirely original material

by mattybobo on Jun 11, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NL Central is always messed up

because there’s more teams in it than the other divisions, I believe.

by saladdays on Jun 11, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

The Yankees and the Red Sox came to old Busch for Interleague in ‘05.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not so

I saw the Cards play the BoSox in Busch II in 2005.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Earlier this spring MLB admitted it was a mistake

On a side note – I married a die hard Tiger fan and went to Commerica the last 2 years for the games. Talk about a bunch of idiot fans.

by birdo rojo on Jun 11, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that too...

thing is, how does a mistake like that get made??? Does anybody check this kind of thing out? You would think that someone can check their scheduling database and say, ”... you know, St Louis has visited Detroit the last two years. Perhaps we shouldn’t schedule them there a third year…”

I have found that my tolerance for this sort of thing in the Bud Selig era is at zero…not a fan of interleague play to begin with, but at least the first several years, you could figure out the format…now I don’t know what they are doing!!

by tbell61 on Jun 11, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey hey

at least David Stern isn’t our commish. Mr. Corruption-Central over there.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 11, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it seems like even they

don’t know what they are doing.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Late post here

but fyi, I think one of the reasons is that they changed the way the schedule was done. Baseball schedules were, apparently, actually created by one guy, or one guy and his wife.

At some point in the last few years, MLB stopped that. it’s either done by MLB committee or computer now.

by sdrone on Jun 11, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They played em at home in 2006

That hole world series thing.. Ahh, fuzzy memories.

by cloistermaximus on Jun 11, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That

totally wasn’t my point. Mr. Selig doesn’t “schedule” the World Series….

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 11, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least

that’s what you think

by Glowsticks on Jun 11, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was speaking strictly of

Interleague play – we have gone to Comerica the last three years in a row and Detroit has yet to come to St. Louis. My question is why have we played the Tigers three years in a row anywhere? Isn’t this supposed to be the year we take on the AL East? And last year, weren’t we playing the AL West? Why the Tigers three years in a row? Have we suddenly developed a rivalry we don’t know about?

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I’m sick of playing the Tigers. Bring on someone new!

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

part of the mike maroth deal?

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on Jun 11, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: the next two weeks have a horribly difficult schedule of games

I don’t see these weeks as horribly difficult (aside from the trip to Boston). The Tigers have scuffled, and even though their offense has the ability to put up runs, they have been shut out plenty of times this year. The Royals are a joke, I saw them play in Chicago against the Sox and they have all of the weapons as ,, uh,, I guess the Nationals. We see them 6 times in next 3 weeks which should help to cushion this stretch. That leaves us with the Phils who are also a legitimate threat, but I think being home gives us the edge. Guys, it’s not our offense that is overwhelming other teams, it’s the pitching! So lets get some good outings by The Colonel, Lohse, and crew before we concede this season. We just need to keep our heads above water at this point, I’m not talking winning every other game… just maintaining at least 10 over .500… which I don’t think is a stretch at this point. I think El Hombre and Waino will be back by early July which will also be around the time we will be talking about a healthy Carp. A 2nd half push is not out of the question… and the Flubs will have to start losing at some point!!

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 11, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ain't concedin' nothin!

we got depth booooyeeee

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the optimism I like to see.

Wanna help me wipe out the Cubs fanbase?

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 11, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

my little brother is a Cubs fan, so not really… but we should watch a game sometime. I almost went to Sedgwick’s on a whim last weekend for the 6pm game on Sat., but got soaked while riding my bike. I was totally in the area too and was within minutes of finding a dry place and a cold beer and cardinals baseball.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no doubt

that losing the best hitter in baseball is not a plus. However, I have seen a whole new side of Tony LaRusa and consider this his best managing job to date. As long as Pujols isn’t looking at season ending surgery, this is yet another opportunity for the kids to show what they can do. I like Mather at first because I think that he is a fundamentally better hitter than Duncan. Bring Duncan in as a 4th or 5th outfielder. I think you have to start Shuey, Ankiel, and Ludwick right now with minimal platooning to keep Barton fresh. If we can hold it together and end up 9 or 10 over heading into the break, I would be ecstatic. That would be about 1 month of recoup for Pujols, which, if it is just a strain, may be just enough.

For everyone worrying about the northsiders, remember 1 thing…..they’re the Cubs. Bad stuff is going to start happening to them. The only thing I wish, regarding them, is that Harry was still alive to butcher Fukodome in the 7th after a few buds. The censor would have to be ready every time that guy came up just in case he needed to bleep something.

Go CARDS!

by ckeiner on Jun 11, 2008 8:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...

With all the pitching injuries, Pujols going down, and the tough schedule coming up, I’d be surprised if the club can get to the break better than 5 games over .500. They play on the road at Boston and Chicago, who have the best home records in basebalI - I don’t see them winning either of those series, I just hope they don’t get swept. I guess it depends on how long Albert and Adam miss - but I doubt either are back and effective by the All-Star break…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jun 11, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs are at home

we don’t visit Chicago until August and only have six games in Chicago. The big away games between now and the all star game are 3 Boston (6/20-6/22), 3 Detroit (6/24-6/26) and 3 @ Philly (7/8-7/10). The other away games involve Cincy, KC and the Pirates.

Play .450 ball to the all star break and we end up nine games over .500 at the break. How many of us (besides Red Blazer) thought this team would be above .500 in mid June?

by ubeddie on Jun 11, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoever did was a homer.

That would be like predicting the Yankees collapsing this year.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 11, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did

Didn’t think the pitching would be this good, though. And had a hard time believing Izturis would get to so many grounders.

by liam on Jun 11, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as much as I love Pujols and Wainer

this is a team after all, and we wouldn’t be where we are if they weren’t a good team

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It is gonna suck not having those guys on the field for awhile but the team has good depth. Hopefully it will force guys to raise thier game.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Jun 11, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's one thing that's making this team exciting and competitive

is the competition for spots and playing time within the team

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

all your links have an extra http in them that will make them dead links

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 8:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoops.

Sorry about that; I think they’re all fixed now.

What this book presupposes is, maybe he didn't?

by the red baron on Jun 11, 2008 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um,

So, based on your posting, I would assume that Adam Kennedy just chews bubblegum? Perhaps he’s the reason everyobdy is all out of bubblegum?

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 11, 2008 8:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a stick of bubble gum a day keeps the DFA away

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting discussion over at Bleed Cubbie Blue

on AP’s injury. Surprisingly, most of the posts are not of the asshat variety.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 11, 2008 8:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Credit Where it's Due

This is hilarious.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Jun 11, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

link

wont work for me. not sure why :-(

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 11, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the part about the bear

just about made me piss myself

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 11, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the choppers finished it

off to find some clean undies

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 11, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they dont want to tempt the baseball gods

if you make asshat comments regarding other teams injuries, then the baseball gods smite you.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was listening to Cubs analysts on ESPN radio the other day

and the two of them alone made enough comments of the asshat variety to smite all of Chicago. They were gloating over the fact that they may not have to face Chipper Jones in the Atlanta series and were celebrating Waino’s and Welley’s injuries and saying that Cardinals have no staying power (wtf have they been doing all season long?!?). Karma is due to set the Cubs on a long stretch of winless series!!!

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 11, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 40 man...

Need to get Salas on the 40 man (wicked and seems mature beyond his years), along with Garcia and Wasdin maybe….hes unspectacular but can eat some innings in a spot bullpen start along with Villone. At any rate, the 40 man roster needs an overhaul.

Whats going to happen with Izzy? Theres a question!

Boggs never used the slider much in AA either, he needs another pitch, but I believe in the kid over the long haul, he and Garcia have a future. We got a few young arms! And apparently need’em.

I believe Mather will heat up…hes playing the defense I thought he would, he makes his plays without much drama.

When was Villones last start?

by cardschinmusic on Jun 11, 2008 8:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicely stated, indicative of your level of understanding...

He and Jack White certainly do suck, but I dont have a picture of Wasdin for an avatar…you never know who might save your ass in a pinch, and it might be Wasdin in a bullpen start.

by cardschinmusic on Jun 12, 2008 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring up Wallace?

Come on, who else wants to see us make Wallace the next “straight to the Majors” guy, even if only for a few weeks?

by Craig341 on Jun 11, 2008 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about actually doing it.....

But we could certainly make him think it was an option, to get him to sign quickly. Haha

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 11, 2008 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

I wouldn’t just bring him up like that. Not enough reason to.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

give it a go

If it happens , I WILL be at that game

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 11, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screaming in pain

From the P-D:

After falling, Pujols tried to stretch the muscle before assistant trainer Greg Hauck got to him. Catcher Yadier Molina and reliever Ron Villone lifted Pujols, who recoiled after once touching his left toe to the ground on the way to the dugout.

Pujols grimaced while being carried and, according to one teammate, shook in pain.

It makes my stomach churn. I was giddy after we pounced on Bailey early, especially with the Ludwick-Pujols-Ankiel trio doing the pounding. Does Mo have Will “The Thrill” Clark’s number?

by bgh on Jun 11, 2008 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d take Mac before Will, but if were fishing than the “evil one” has to be apart of the discussion.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw bonds at first

:D

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 11, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

larry walker might have

a few games left in him as well…

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“damnit kids, this is how you hit”

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Thoughts?

on the Mather paragraph..

If anyone expected Mather to just turn on the after burners once he landed in the bigs, is a little silly. However, I know we’re in platoon mode this year—Mather should be a mainstay for a few weeks.

Let him find a new groove up here and see if his bat starts singing like he left it in Memphis. But if we start bouncing him from the bench to the lineup and back, we’re asking for trouble.

Problem now is that we have 6 OF on the roster and while one is on first base, it sucks.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did we burn an option year on Duncan

with him being down there for that short of a timespan? Mo seemed to be inclined to bringing up Duncan to face the load of RH pitchers that we’re about to face before the game, so I don’t think it had anything to do with Pujos directly. Just happens to have more reason to now.

Question if that was the case, who do you think he was sending down? Was Mather already heading back? Because Mo was talking about Duncan coming back up before the game and thus the calf issue.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 9:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We burned the option year wether we sent him down or not.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 11, 2008 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how so?

If they are on the 40 man and start the year on the 25 man you don’t use an option year till they are sent down.

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we would retain that option year indefinately?

I don’t think that is right. There is an overall service time issue to option years.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 11, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure on that

I really am not sure on that, I think it all depends on what type of contract you are signed too. If a player comes up to the Majors and sticks for a few years without being sent down, but then as a FA signs a minor league contract I beleive he can be optioned by the new club regardless of service time.

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that.

I just thought that, under the current rules, a player has a perscribed contract from the league for 3 years, then becomes arbritration-elligible. Once he becomes arb-elligible, he cannot be sent back to the minors without clearing waivers.

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by Eckstreem on Jun 11, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arbitration

I think arbitration eligible players sign Major League contracts though. Which is why I was thinking that it depends on the type of contract (Major or Minor). Dunc wasn’t arbitration eligible this year and thus signed a minor league contract.

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

But sending him to the minors this year did not delay his arb-elligible date.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 11, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but...

you orginally said “We burned the option year wether we sent him down or not.” and I was saying that we didn’t burn an option year, even if it isn’t an option year that we could use because of arbitration we didn’t technically burn one till we sent him down.

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of this is right

Options only have to do with the 40-man roster. If you are on the 40-man roster, you can only be in the minors during the course of three years (and in super special circumstances you can get a fourth option if you’ve been in pro-ball for less than--I think—one year before you are added to the 40-man e.g. Anthony Reyes. This doesn’t apply to players who sign “major league contracts” straight out of the draft). So we burned an option year on Duncan yes. It appears he was on the 40-man at least in late 2005 (September callup) and probably for that whole year, so that’s 1. He was optioned to the minors in ‘06 that’s 2. And we burned the 3. So I’d think that’s it for options.

That said, I’d imagine if we need to send him down in ‘09 again, he’s basically worthless as a player anyway. We’re going to have to deal an outfielder in the off-season anyway with Rasmus now knocking on the door, so I wouldn’t be too concerned. The retained flexibility would be nice but in practical purposes it really doesn’t matter.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 11, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh

None of that changes what I originally meant in that we didn’t use an option on Duncan UNTIL he was sent down to Memphis. Someone said that we had already burnt it before then. That is it. He was on the active roster thus didn’t have an option burnt until he was sent down.

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's also a caveat

that says if a player spends less than 20 days in the minors, he doesn’t use an option.

linky, with examples

The “Reyes rule” is that if you have less than 5 pro seasons, you get 4 options.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which going back to my original question

we’ve essentially used up some of those days, but we have a trade chip that includes an option year? I’m trying to grip the nuances..

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've gotta be kidding me haha

I totally forgot about the 20-day rule, so much for me correcting people.

And Hugo, I replied to the wrong post on that one…

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by joker24 on Jun 11, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mo

mo said duncan was being called up during a pre-game interview yesterday, BEFORE pujols was hurt. perhaps he was already planning on using the 20 day rule to keep the option available down the road?

by adiueordie on Jun 11, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it won't work that way.

We’ve expired that option year for Duncan one way or the other. His time on the 40-man roster means this is his last year to send him down without clearing waivers. It doesn’t matter if we actually sent him down or not.

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by Eckstreem on Jun 11, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not how it works

time on 40 man roster has nothing to do with it, it is time on 40 man roster NOT on 25 man

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring up Phelps....

... because PHELPS ROCKS!!!

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Jun 11, 2008 9:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he rocks

but he doesn’t hit very well. He has looked pretty lost this year.

by StanTheManFan on Jun 11, 2008 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesnt look helluva lot better to me...

.265/ .339 /.437/ 776 Phelps AAA
.252 /.356/ .386/ 742 Duncan Majors

pretty similar with Dunc in a much tougher league

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by nomar34 on Jun 11, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

let’s not all get crazy here

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 11, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft Class and AP

I’d also expect Brett Wallace to sign soon now that ASU’s season is [unfortunately] over.

As far as El Hombre goes, and this is a just “for what it’s worth” sort of thing, Comcast Sports Net said that “the Card’s GM said about Albert’s calf quote: ‘it’s pretty bad.’”

Once again, take it for what it’s worth which probably isn’t much anyway. That being said, I don’t want anybody saying that Mozeliak isn’t positive about our best hitter’s outlook.

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by gibbons on Jun 11, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with the way they’ve dicked around with Kinny, Mulder, Carp et all. I think they get it that if they’re not open about El Hombre there could be some serious backlash.

Imagine if the Yankees bullshitted its fans about ARod, Phillies with Rollins, etc. Even Atlanta was very lucid when it came to Chipper.

Which it was that way about anyone with the roster though, but I put more stock into the El Hombre situation and what they say because of the above

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*shakes head*

Although I know they don’t have a lot of options, I don’t think Duncan is the right choice here. He got another 0-4 hung on him last night, bringing his average in Memphis down to .160. That’s not exactly what I had hoped to see from him down there.

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 11, 2008 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe he's the anti Reyes

when he goes to Memphis his numbers implode and here they’re at least steady (though lackluster)

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or

maybe he’s the anti-Reyes in that when he’s shipped to Memphis he pouts around instead of just doing his job

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on Jun 11, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

15 day DL

I’m up here in Michigan. I have tickets to the Cards-Tiger game at Commerica in Detroit,
June 26. PLEASE somebody tell me that a mild calf strain heals in less than 2 weeks. If they put Albert on the 15 day DL today, he would be active June 26th. I just got my Pujols shirt back from the dry cleaners & I have nothing else to wear if he doesn’t play!!!

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by CliffNotes on Jun 11, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter, Cliff.

You wear your Pujols shirt either way – if Albert plays or if he doesn’t. Represent the Birds on Bat in the Motor City, baby! There will be plenty of Cards fans present and they will be wearing their colors. At least there were plenty of us the last two years. I can’t go this time (sad sigh!), so you need to cheer twice as loud to fill in for my absence, okay?

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you think that's bad?

I have tickets for tonight. And I basically get to watch last year’s Memphis Redbirds take on Cueto and the Cincinnati Reds with Looper pitching in the tuna can of a park.

I really don’t get your dilemma – what does it matter if he’s playing or not , he’s your favorite. if you were not to wear the shirt it would seem bad luck from my point of view – like he’s no more to you.

Also, I wouldn’t park north of the stadium past I-75. I know it’s close and free but your car will smell like pee for a week.

by enoscountry on Jun 11, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im girlfriend

Didn’t understand why I couldn’t watch a movie after the game last night. I just told her I wouldn’t enjoy it because I wouldn’t be able to get into it.

Anyway. Cardinals will be fine without Pujols for 2-4 weeks. Anything past that I think we could be in trouble. Losing AP and AW; or APAW as they are known together in certian rings around the interweb; will really test this team. I mean, to lose your best pitcher and your best hitter within a will be hard. But this team isn’t anything if it isn’t resilient.

So get well soon APAW.

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by Evilfrog on Jun 11, 2008 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some info on Wainwright on the PD
The club will probably put Wainwright on the disabled list today with what it describes as a sprained right middle finger but is more specifically a tear of a “pulley” that connects to the finger’s flexor tendon.

The injury, which forced Wainwright from Saturday night’s start against the Houston Astros, is less serious than a tear of the flexor tendon itself and, according to the club, will not require surgery. However, it is not considered minor.

So it isn’t a minor issue. But it is one they expect will not need to be cut on. Expecting at least 3 weeks before he comes off the DL. He will be re-examined next week to learn more.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/702C9544406DDA49862574650018D5C5?OpenDocument

by Evilfrog on Jun 11, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

forced rest may be a blessing

if September games end up “counting”

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dunc'n donut

hopefully chris will rise to the occasion and, along with reyes, bring us something we need. leaving them at AAA isn’t getting us anywhere and one or both need to flash brightly for at least a couple of weeks in the bigs, if we are to get a good return. 2 AAAA players aren’t really worth enough to get anyone we can really use and we need them to prove they are not AAAA players. for better or worse, they can’t demonstrate that playing in memphis. both have too much ML service time for anyone to bite on their “potential” at this point without some current demonstration of ML success.

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by sportsman on Jun 11, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

personally i would

bring up stahovina and use a mather at first
or just bring up phelps
chris has shown no reason to come back up
hes still not a good defensive player
even at first
i understand im the last person you would call a Duncan fan, but he only had the good half a season in the majors, then a decent start last year
hes been an average minor league over his career who isnt providing power at all right now and has been terrible on memphis

Come on 2009!

by benstl on Jun 11, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you do me a favor?

When you have the chance to back up a couple of comments with anything statistical I’m ready to listen.

1.) Do you have a reasonable sample size that Mather or Stahovina can hit MLB pitching long term? Even at a .250 clip? No.

2.) I’d appreciate any actual evidence that Duncan is horrid at first, or defense in general this year.

Thanks

I’ll agree with the power argument, but then again If you’re going to get on an “he doesn’t have power” rant, then I’d suggest a longer line than Duncan this year. Here’s the guys who have a lower SLG than Duncan.

Molina, Kennedy, Cesar, Miles, Barton, Ryan, Larue, Mather

Ignoring sample sizes, that’s 2/5ths of the OF, all of the IF, and both catchers.

Memphis for them too?

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about a MLB career RZR

at 1B for Dunc of .778? Small sample I know.

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by giveml on Jun 11, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What can I say

I’m shell shocked. Yes RB you were the first person I thought of when I read about this disaster, thanks a lot. In the off season BP ran an article purposing we trade Albert right after lboros did a post about trading Wagonmaker and at the time I called it crazy because those are the cornerstones that you build around. Now I’m terrified we are in for structural failure.

Their calling it a mild strain, but I’m not buying it. I have never seen Albert carried off the field, except in nightmares. With his pain threshold that doesn’t bowed well. The calf killed him last year and he said it was deep in the muscle. That’s why last weeks tweaking of it didn’t seem so bad because it was on the top of the muscle and didn’t hurt as much. Connect the dots and I think were dealing with a tear. God I hope I’m wrong.

If this is semi long term a move will have to be made, and I don’t mean from within the organization. Many of us had the impression this team could use another bat even before this. My first thought was to trade for one the the many third basemen that are going to be on the market and move Santa to first temporarily. Target one with some flexibility in the field, that way when Albert comes back we can move our newly acquired player to second base. Try to kill to birds with one stone. Oh wait, The Baron already did that.

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by That's a Winner on Jun 11, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ever had a leg cramp?

They just about make you scream—and they go away in 30 seconds, usually. I don’t think we need to be hysterical about this. Also, the last time Albert was out, IIRC, the Cards actually improved their winning percentage during his absence.

by Red in Chicago on Jun 11, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said this before on the thread last night

but what’s wrong with a Duncan/Mather platoon at first base? They both get playing time and are put in a situation to succeed. I wouldn’t be against it at all.

"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"

by rockin the red on Jun 11, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whats wrong with it

is who will NOT be playing first base: THE BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME…

by silent_bob on Jun 11, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he means

relative to not having Mather split time…

by Red in Chicago on Jun 11, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well of course...

but other than that?

"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"

by rockin the red on Jun 11, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look at the stats in memphis

stahovina is killing it down there
i know its triple a and all
hes hitting .342 with 7 homers and 32 rbis
bring him up to the majors
do some mather, glaus, yadi at first base

even josh phelps, who really isnt hitting a lot makes me feel a lot better
chris duncan has lost whatever he had and needs to locate it somewhere other than MLB

Come on 2009!

by benstl on Jun 11, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as duncan went to Memphis his numbers were around the same as Glaus. His numbers as a whole are not and haven’t been detrimental. If they were, so was Troy’s.

with Mather and option year avail with Dunc we had the luxury to ship him down to get him the stroke that he had. It’s not working and he’s not even working on his split issues.

Now since he went down Glaus has warmed up and his numbers have improved.

In short, moving Duncan down to Memphis was for him, not because he was a defined cancer for us. He can do better, but what he has to offer isn’t going to cost games by himself. He’s not GG at first, but he fields it well.

For that, see Kennedy and his trends of two GIDP in one game.

Tell me when Phelps gets any sort of AAA stroke going, because unlike Duncan’s small stint in Memphis, Phelps bat issues this year are no where near the small sample size.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mather can, and Ludwick has...

so Bonds could have LF if push came to shove and they went that route

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um,

Last I checked, they don’t allow wheelchairs in Left field.

Stop the madness. Free yourself from the Bonds.

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by bukowski on Jun 11, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who'd win a race?

El Hombre as he is right now, or Bonds as he is right now?

I’d pay to see that.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in fairness to Bonds

he stole 5 bases last year and wasn’t caught once. That is 3 more than Albert (and albert was caught SIX times).

I think bonds’ immobility is greatly overstated.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just sarcasm

I really have no true thoughts on Bonds any longer, if a team actually picks him up then I’ll have some window looks here and there. Otherwise he can rest in solitude

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Straightline I think it is fine

But I can’t imagine on balky knees he’s able to make many “athletic moves”.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 11, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, he is available for the league minimum

According to mlbtraderumors, today. So the risk is minimal.

Wouldn’t it make sense to give him the chance, instead of just assuming he can’t do it? Worst case, you have the best pinch hitter in history on your bench when albert comes back.

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I'd be for it

I’m just saying I wouldn’t expect much on D.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 11, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

I saw that earlier and seriously doubt that Barry would come back to make league minimum…his ego alone has to command $3 million a year!

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by fourstick on Jun 11, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all honesty....

I will not watch any Cardinals team with Barry Bonds on it.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 11, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in all honesty you sound like a cub fan.

He had a 170 ops last year and a 55 vorp.

That means he hit better than Victor Martinez, Grady Zizemore, Ryan Howard, Derek Jeter, Aaron Rowand, Helton, Beltran etc.

I personally hate bonds more than life itself but he would drastically improve most the teams in the majors. Especially if you don’t buy into intangibles like “club house cancer” and silly Media things like ego blah blah blah.

To chastise him for steroids, especially from cardinal fans, is hypocritical at best.

Just as long as the guy has a get out of jail free card until october, not signing him for league at league minimum is idiotic at best for 90% of the teams out there. He can certainly still hit better than Frank Thomas.

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by rocKStark5 on Jun 11, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

“not signing him for league at league minimum is idiotic at best for 90% of the teams out there.”

And yet he still remains unsigned.

Hmm. So according to you, 90% of the GMs running MLB teams are idiots?

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by Mr Clean on Jun 11, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree with you

If Bonds can be had for league minimum, and if he’s guaranteed not to hit the clink until after the season, there is no baseball reason not to sign him. Now, you can wax all you want about the “moral” reasons not to sign him, but as you point out, those reasons are very hypocritical for the same fans who cheered McGwire.

by Ray Lankford on Jun 11, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and franklin...

and ankiel (for though ankiel did nothing “illegal”, this IS an arbitrary morality witch hunt we’re talking about!)

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glaus?

He was HGH too, though, right?

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

it was reported that glaus took delivery of anabolic steroids (though he may also have done HGH).

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whos on the market?

scott hatteberg?

any other names anyone can think of

too bad we couldnt have snagged broussard

Come on 2009!

by benstl on Jun 11, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

before someone takes that seriously

i was kidding about broussard
but in all seriousness
rich aurillia might be had for nothing

Come on 2009!

by benstl on Jun 11, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the thought

to move Glaus to 1st and acquire a 3rd baseman. Andy Laroche?

Maybe put a deal together where Reyes and Duncan are shipped to LA and we acquire Pierre and Laroche? Of course for this to work, we would have to eat Pierre’s contract and maybe send another young player or two, but it would give us a leadoff hitter who can run (which we will need to do while AP is out) and gives us a 3rd baseman who is young and can possibly replace Glaus when his deal is done.

by Jumsy on Jun 11, 2008 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or is...

Chad Tracy a possibility from Arizona (can play corner OF, 1st or 3rd).

by Jumsy on Jun 11, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that idea

as Chad Tracy is the odd man out over in Az

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well when Albert comes back in three weeks he'd be the odd man out here

Not really worth dealing anything of value.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 11, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're saying Albert will be the odd man out?

Really, no-one would want him anyway with the balky elbow and the bad wheel.

:)

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 11, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only problem with that

is i think pierre is a step down from schumaker and much more expensive

to be a broken record
someone just tell me what chris duncan brings to this team?
hes a sub average fielder and hitter right now
and as his production was mediocre in left, it will be very thin at first base

Come on 2009!

by benstl on Jun 11, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

you want to garner up another 3b when we have one as a result of the Edmonds trade starting to bake in Memphis. not counting the fact that we just spent our draft pick on a 3b? Um.. over reaction to a calf injury maybe?

How about this…

In 2009 we unload a whole shitload of contracts that are frankly eating just under half of our salary. Let’s not run and start filling it with more and block prospects in the process, thanks.

Feel free to look up “opportunity cost”, because you’re going down that road

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by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok with trading, but

it has to be done with 09 and beyond in mind. trying to patch this team with ap out is just a waste of time and worse if it costs any grade-A prospects. accelerating changes that might have occurred closer to the trading deadline is reasonable. can michael young play second base?

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by sportsman on Jun 11, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think Laroche is that fast...

since he will have a decent OB% i am sure he is the one you are talking about leading off instead the “out machine” and his usual .325 OB%...

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by nomar34 on Jun 11, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Baron gets a lifetime "pass" from me

because of this:

Six goals in one hockey game goes a l-o-n-g way with this goaltender!

Play A Hard Nine, boys!

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by The Ol Goaler on Jun 11, 2008 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow! That is just fantastic!

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 11, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I LOVE all the hockey fans we have on here

That Berenson cover has always been one of my all time favorite Blues photos, next to ANY Glenn Hall picture, of course!!

by tbell61 on Jun 11, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heroes

I still think we’ll find out today that Pujols isn’t hurt as bad as we thought he was last night and that he will need probably 4 or 5 days off from playing the field before he returns to the lineup.

LaRussa acted like his leg came unglued from his body last night and that it was a certainty he was hitting the DL. Tony is NEVER that certain about an injury an hour after it happens. They are usually pretty cloak and dagger about this kind of stuff. Which leads me to believe this goes back to another one of the daily posts from last week: he’s making a hero out of Pujols.

Say he is severely injured tonight and when he plays on the weekend, just gush to the press about what a ‘warrior’ and ‘marvel’ the guy is. Even Tom Brenneman said as much last night in the 9th inning. He said, Pujols is the kind of guy that you could see carried off the field tonight and then be in the starting lineup the next day.

Atleast, I hope :D

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope so

because I took it as “We can’t bullshit to our fan base about Pujols like we did Mulder, because unlike Mark, they actually give a shit about Albert”.

aka, be open about this medical issue instead of playing hide and seek

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you

believe anything Thom Brenneman says. He is an awful announcer.

by JMedwick on Jun 11, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically

That was Marty. Though perhaps Thom doesn’t fall far from the tree.

by Cardinal70 on Jun 11, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THAT was funny

and well deserved too – Cub fans had it coming to them.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fernando Salas doesn't chew bubble gum

Just the bones of his opponents

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Bone gnawing

After eating their hearts to add their strength to his!

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jun 11, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hear...

he once took a headbutt from amaury marti, and lived to tell the tale

by mattybobo on Jun 11, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear

that the headbutt from Marti made Salas’ slider even better…

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jun 11, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contender vs. Pretender

I am really scared that losing Albert (probably) and Adam W to the DL will hurt the birds chances this year. However, championship teams face adversity and challenges and still find a way to get it done. Should Albert go to the DL, and the team continue to play solid ball and keep pace with the cubs to stay in contention, then I will get real excited. At some point the greatest hitter in the game (Albert) and perhaps one or both of our aces (Carp and Adam) will be ready to go again. If not, well then they did the best they could while healthy and there is always 2009.

by cardinal fan in chicago on Jun 11, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or

Keep pace for the wildcard.

by Evilfrog on Jun 11, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We’re 3 games in front of Florida in the wild card. I know it’s quite early to be talking about that, but nowadays it’s just as meaningful as the division races.

by saladdays on Jun 11, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last (and only) time

Albert was on the DL was ‘06 and that year ended rather well. Let’s not lose all hope just yet.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 11, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Cards were 8-5 when he was out

his BA was .308 when he went on the DL and finished the season at .331.

But he always bats well after the all-star break.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 11, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so that means

he might finish close to .400
awesome

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

This from the P-D today:

The club is also encouraged by the recent progress of rehabilitating veterans Mark Mulder and Matt Clement from shoulder issues. Clement is scheduled to make a rehab start for Class AA Springfield on Friday and, according to Mozeliak, could be activated before month’s end.

“Both guys are getting close to the point right now where I can see them forcing us to make a decision on the roster,” Mozeliak said.

I’m cool with Clement. But Mulder? WTF? Didn’t I just read that they reworked his delivery?

So, if I read that right, a major league pitcher with 2+ years of arm trouble and 2 surgies can just fix his delivery and hop right back on the bus?

Maybe Mulder can play first.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jun 11, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When Mulder

throws a bullpen session and his arm gets over his head, Mo puts out a press release.

by Red in Chicago on Jun 11, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't stress

they’ll do the 30 rehab again. and dl if it blows up

it’s just confidence additives for a guy who may end up playing coed softball

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reworked delivery

Duncan said on the radio yesterday that the reworked delivery is not major (of course any slight change is huge for pitching) in that you wouldn’t be able to notice a difference.

He said the “reworked” portion was not so much Mulder’s release point but in Mulder’s arm path to get up to that release point. So what change exists is in how his hand goes from his glove to above his head.

by enoscountry on Jun 11, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Mulder's problem in his last rehab start

wasn’t his velocity or any pain in his delivery but his inability to ‘control’ his arm on some of his pitches because when his arm reached a certain ‘slot’ it flew out of his control.

By tweaking his delivery, it allows him to get to the same release point but going about it a different way.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome changing a pitchers arm action mid-career...even worse

He’s done.

"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA

by joker24 on Jun 11, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

30 day*

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rehab Clock

Does Mulder’s 30 day rehab clock start again or does he just have the remaining time from his 30 days earlier this season?

by djsmokyc on Jun 11, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

starts again

DL resets

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the mets DFA's abraham nunez today...can he play first?

i keed i keed

has anyone fallen farther than nunez since he left us after taking over for rolen that summer?

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 11, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please...

no more DFA’s

by tbell61 on Jun 11, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thinking outside the box...

what about bryan anderson? bring him up, let him play every day for a month or so.

More good news- Steven Hill, springfield’s 1B/OF/C (and a guy i have very high hopes for) was apparently HBP yesterday and “may have suffered a broken hand.”

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thinking inside the box

what I don’t get is the need for Chris Duncan.

When Chris was injured, our 1B situation was Pujols and Rico Washington, with Molina as the emergency 1B right?
When Chris came back, our 1B situation was Pujols and Duncan, with Molina as the emergency 1B.
When Chris was sent down, our 1B situation was Pujols and Mather, with Molina as the emergency 1B.

Then all of a sudden (due to Ankiel and Pujols both being injured) we discovered that Glaus can play 1B.

So now with Pujols injured, our 1B situation is Mather and Glaus, with Molina as the emergency 1B.

Now, you could argue that Molina, LaRue or Ludwick are really the the emergency 1B and I’d agree with any of those.

The point being CALL SOMEONE ELSE UP! We don’t HAVE to have Chris Duncan come up to play 1B. Joe Mather can do a fine job of it and if he needs the day off, Brendan Ryan can slide into the lineup and Glaus move over to 1B. This isn’t like the Washington series where TLR had to protect the bench because he was down an OF AND an IF. He has the extra OF even with Mather at 1B.

It just seems like they are calling Chris up just to call Chris up. Just like they are going to re-install Izzy as the closer probably as soon as this weekend. Apparently one good rehab appearance fixed a quarter seasons worth of blowing chunks.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HL

if I recall correctly, Mo said before the game yesterday that Chris was coming up. I don’t think it has anything to do with Albert getting hurt aside from him coming up quicker. It was based on all of the righties we’re heading into I guess..

Just saying, we were going to jostle Chris around regardless of the calf

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who was going down?

What I want to know is who was going down? Was a trade in the works? I can’t beleive Mather would be demoted for that. Just seems odd.

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I asked that earlier

and I don’t know, is Albert officially on the DL? This morning he wasn’t yet. So I was DH hopeful, but if he’s still not… who is going down?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goold was supposedly on XM

Wainwright to the DL, Duncan up
on Friday when Joel P needs activated Pujols will hit the DL if needed

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

though to be honest I’d still like to hold out on putting Albert on the dl incase he is ok to DH when we go interleague, but it looks like a sealed deal

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Him DH'ing scares me.

It wasn’t fielding that aggravated his injury, it was running out of the batter’s box. If he could homer everytime .. or pull a Bambino and get a pinch runner to run out of the box.

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 11, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

the thought process behind that moved had me befuddled (until Apu went down anyway). I would have been seriously pissed if Mather would have went back down to make room for Duncan.
This team needs to learn the way to increase production when facing a righty is to ALWAYS have Ludwick in the lineup

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 11, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even worse

who is going down for Izzy? Sounds like he is coming back VERY soon, which means Worrell is probably the first casualty.

That also means that Perez is OUT as the 8th inning guy.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's never a bad thing

to have a guy of Izzy’s caliber return, if he is healthy. It just means we’ll have shut-down pitchers in the 7th, 8th and 9th now- with K-mac and springer also available. That is a pretty good bullpen.

Of course, if he ISN’T healthy, bringing him back is probably worse than albert or adam being hurt for the team’s bottom line…

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes it is

as we seen when he was “not a closer, but is around” last time, we were in disarray.. pushing pitchers deeper, trying everything.

but the ugh was thinking about the debate next week…

can you think what the main topic will be? :) one guess

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Reyes?

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Jun 11, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a gluttony

of pitchers and where to put them. aka where we were when Mulder was “coming”.

Except we have a few in the works, Clement, Izzy, Waino

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

question is

is he mentally healthy? is he effective?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read earlier

that he has to earn the closers job back from Franklin, the 25 man is all his, but the closer’s job isn’t. Franklin has settled the waves and Izzy doesn’t have free reign to start them back up.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he said that last night

and then in today’s article about Pujols he said that he ‘still needed to talk to the Memphis manager’ about Chris.

Doesn’t matter. He is already in Cincinnati. Someone is going to be sent down tonight since the Cardinals aren’t going to DL Pujols until tomorrow at the earliest. Unless, of course, Chris won’t be on the roster tonight and they will just play with a short bench.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waino to DL

Just don’t activate Joel P till Friday, that is what I read on Cards talk that DGoold was saying on XM….so take that as 3rd/4th party info is worth

by StLHugo on Jun 11, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

night terrors

So I came home last night from Night Owl Bowling League and found out Pujols had been injured! This caused my first baseball-related nightmare last night. All of my players were getting injured (was I the manager?). aaaahhhhh!!!! Worst nightmare I’ve had in a while. At least I don’t remember much, and it shows just how much of a Pujols fan I am (this didn’t happen when Wainer got hurt, but it’s a combination of the two I’m sure).

Anyway, since Duncan has already been called up, let’s all root for him to be a great replacement (temporarily!) for APu. If he sucks that bad, I’m sure he’ll be sent back down anyway. He might be slumping and not hitting all that well, but the guy does have power, he just needs to start utilizing it again. I’m with H.L., I think this injury isn’t going to be too severe. At least, here’s hoping it was just a bad cramp!

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 on rooting for Lil' Dunc

I can’t believe all the animosity towards Lil. He is still on our team. IMHO, the best case scenario for everyone (Lil, Cards, fans) will be for Lil to play good 1B D and start hitting again, and then for him to be traded as a 1B/DH. Let’s hope this situation is a blessing in disguise. Maybe playing him at 1B will take pressure away from having to stress about playing LF. A total tangent… I wish he would stop doing the chew as it is a terrible example for young kids.

What is a word that describes the opposite of nepotism? It just seems like the hatred for senior Dunc is being poured on junior. This season has been so much fun that I will not let temporary setups bring me down.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jun 11, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

While I cannot stand Duncan Sr, I don’t have an issue with Jr. At his worst he is still better than Barton or Skip.

by DriverZn on Jun 11, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think someone said that his D at 1B

is actually worse than at LF. could be wrong about that though

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Closure

My job happens to take me across the country a bit and some overseas bs, and of all days I’m stuck in an office with 3 cubs fans and a cinci fan. I’m in upstate NY! at the moment.. sigh. I wore my El Hombre jersey for a little “comfort” and they come out of the woodwork. So this isn’t directed at all Cubs fans, but the idiots.

I’m also a Packers fan, so I get Chi town b.s. all year long. I use the offseason completely away from baseball usually not to ignore support, but to rest up for the Cub battles the next year. I get heated..

But it’s June and I’m already there. These fools just don’t get it.
  • Spend half a billion on contracts
  • keep talking about how we’re playing over our heads
  • snicker when we have injuries.
  • Ignore the fact that we have a damn good collective ERA
  • ignore the fact that our defense is impressive.
  • ignore the fact that our farm system is actually working regardless of where the kids may “project”.

We’ll weather through the injuries, we’ve been dogs before. We’ve practically owned this division, a couple game lead doesn’t grant you anything. 100 years isn’t a magical number that grants destiny, it’s ten decades. It’s a century of nothing but losses, disappointment, and tired “what about me”’isms.

Adam said at the beginning of this year that no one is holding the fort for Carp to come back, they’ll earn it regardless. For them. That will pretty much sum these guys up while the two centerpieces heal up. I’m not going to fret about El Hombre, Adam, Clement et all. We have the kids to do it, nothing is supposed to be easier this year. We’ll earn these wins, we’ll back our team… and come September you’ll still feel the heat as we solidify our position.

So let’s back the 25 men who can play and make some noise. Start working on our 100 more years plan. Personally I have a bet with these two bleacher bums. They’re paying 500 bucks each to Cardinals Care for every win we get when we play them the rest of the year. 100 bucks for every game over .500 at the end of the season.

So let’s take this one game at a time and kick the shit out of these whinnie the poohs.

100 More Years

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

one of the most encouraging things about this season

is we usually thrive with the underdog role.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

worked well in '06 too

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen brotha.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Side note

Talking to the other half on the phone and had an.. interesting convo.

She said I should find someone to rub LaRue’s lamp.

I asked her what lamp. She said she thinks of a Genie when she sees him playing. I’m like ok, what’s the three wishes?
  • All Bleacher bums to turn into Kennedy with Wallace thighs
  • 100 More Years
  • Met’s ‘07 in Chicago

So I’m like.. good plan. But.. if you’re thinking of LaRue as a Genie with a lamp, what the hell kinda porn have you been watching? She hung up :(

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cards fans/Packers fans unite!!!

We should start a club or something. Packer fan because my family was from the upper peninsula. Parents moved to Central Illinois when I was born. So I got plenty of exposure to the Cub fan mentality.

It seems everybody always knows how their team’s story is going to end but them. Have a buddy up there still….Didn’t hear anything about baseball from him all season until literally 5 minutes after they moved 1 game up on us, and he wants to talk Cubs with me ever since.

All that being said, the Cubs are loaded this year. I’m accepting they are not likely to go away, but still holding hope based on their illustrious history. Even if they do run away with things, I’m going to be fine with it – as long as we keep grinding out series wins.

by Merry CRasmus on Jun 11, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFC North

should be pretty horrible this year. Go BEARSSS

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dad Idolized Vince

then he went all KC on me a few years back.

So everytime they lose I give him a call and laugh :)

and I absolutely love the QB trio we now have

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There aren't too many of us

Haven’t met many that are fans of both, just because of geography I suppose. I can relate to what you are saying about fending off Chicago fans year around. Cubs fans really take the cake though.

I think Rodgers will be real good if healthy. Unfortunately he seems to be pretty brittle though. I think Brohm will end up being a very good one eventually.

by Merry CRasmus on Jun 11, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

add me to the list

Cards and Packer fan in Chicagoland.. I attend NIU and grew up in Central IL

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!

I don't care about your fantasy team.

by stltrav09 on Jun 11, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So tell me how you really feel?

Somehow that rant made me think of this

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

Northside Chicago fans are delusional and are about ready to buy their world series tickets right now. But I must say, the White Sox fans I have run into around here are very cool. They are anti-cubs and pro-cardinals (some of them).

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 11, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also live in Chicago...

and I have found what you say to be spot on…I MUCH rather converse with Sox fans because they are reasonable.

by tbell61 on Jun 11, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lineup tonight

per bernie on 1380
schu
miles
lud
ank
glaus
dunc
larue
loop
ryan

by dralexp on Jun 11, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3-4-5 needs to have an incredible night

Any lineup without Albert just looks wrong, though…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

miles and ryan are bonuses, couple of changes and it could look a whole lot worse

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Ryan and Iz2

We need all the D we can get tonight (but none from aD(F)Am Kennedy)

LaRue? Blech

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yadi doesn't need extra days off

LaRue should be on the bench every game!

by saladdays on Jun 11, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree re: Yadi

You try staying squatted for 162 days a year. But I do agree that LaRue should be nowhere near our lineup. Unfortunately, we don’t really have any other options (unless you count Bryan Anderson)

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why I'd like to see anderson brought up

let him play first when yadi is in the game, and then let mather play first when yadi or bryan needs a break. The whole point in keeping him in the minors is because we can’t guarantee him big league AB’s as a backup, but if he’s going to be playing every day that rationale goes away…

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s not a bad idea

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was being sarcastic

since everyone complains about LaRue, but there’s not much to do about it.

by saladdays on Jun 11, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it'll be a travesty

if LaRue gets more ABs than Ryan

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when Tony has put Miles in, it tends to get reasonable results, so if he’s platooned in, it’s a good thing IMO.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In 6th

sigh

I’d go
looper
duncan
  • larue
  • ryan

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grade 2 strain

This is from the Joe Strauss chat today:

“El Hombre has been examined, and is suffering from a moderate strain (Gr. 2, at worst) strain of the left calf. It’s a safe bet he will be down through at least the All-Star break but this is NOT season-ending. On a scale of 1-10, I’d rate this a 5. Leaving the park last night, many would have believed it an 8-10. There will be much more in the P-D tomorrow. But based on what this could have been, I believe you should consider this as more positive than negative news.”

by dralexp on Jun 11, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a definite trip to the DL

Although nothing is official still

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they will wait another day

and then re-examine again tomorrow. As he said, the calf strain is grade 2 at worst.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true

That little modifier is key. They can make it retroactive to today (yesterday?) as long as he doesn’t pinch hit tonight all the way from St. Louis

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that's great!

And given Pujols’s history with quick recovery, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him a bit before the ASB

by cardsfaninmass on Jun 11, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

third time in the past year

that I can recall this calf has had issues (now, against wash, last year). I hope he gets enough time in for it to heal.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might be the best thing for him

get some rest for his hamstring, elbow, etc and be ready to contribute in the pennant race.

Lets just hope we can stay within striking distance until then (as lboros detailed yesterday…this is not a whole lot to ask)

by cardsfaninmass on Jun 11, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Staying in the pennant race will be difficult

staying in the wild card race, not so much. The Cubs are showing no signs of slowing down, so keeping pace with them without mang or waino will be nearly impossible.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always thought of the pennant as the league championship

As in the National League pennant, not the National League Central pennant

Maybe that’s just me…

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by Mr Redbird on Jun 11, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(keeps positive thoughts till we’re closer to .500 than 15 over

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I’m sort of seeing this as the silver lining as well

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick up Hatteberg

to fill in until Pujols is back. Chris Duncan is not the answer.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you are doing that

might as well pick up Barry Bonds. Vastly superior player and could DH for 9 straight games when we make our AL swing.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 11, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunc is our first base guy for now (for better or for worse)

or just play Mather at 1B… if they are going to go out and get somebody for such a short period, it seems like a waste. imho

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

adam kennedy

Outhit scott hatteberg this season. Granted hatte didn’t get many at bats, but he didn’t deserve any, either.

"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton

by SleepyCA on Jun 11, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks that way

barring any surprises

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point I would welcome a surprise

in the form of a trade for an impact hitter. but im just dreamin

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 11, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you would be correct

1380 reports Pujols out about 4 to 6 weeks….... look for him about first home stand after the ASG.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 11, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn

he’s going to be a man on a mission, you just know it. That’s going to be great. he’ll be fresh, healed, and ready to strike.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1b to be manned

by a pool of players…. Duncan, Mather & Glaus.

Them together don’t equal Pujols left leg (injured or not). Hope Ludwick doesn’t press. Ankiel needs to find his stroke.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 11, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be shocked if he is gone for more than a month.

Strauss’s story says 3 weeks minimum, and with Pujols recovery rate, i’d say 3-4 weeks is the most likely scenario.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Jun 11, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While injuries are the hot topic...

any word on Carp? All I ever hear is that he threw a simulated game…but never hear of his status. Anyone know how he did in those sim game performances or when his clock will start?

by Cardsfan_inCHI on Jun 11, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

last I read

he’s projected as possible for august instead of ASB, but with all of them to keep track, i could be wrong

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

or team is becoming the 1/2 St. Louis 1/2 Memphis Cardinals

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

it qualifies as rebuilding, and shows an impressive amount of depth no one knew we could pull together. Also, it’s refreshing to lose some opportunity costs every now and then to let some of the Memphis kids breathe.

In short, it could be worse, but the constant injected of hungry arms/bats can’t be a bad thing

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it’s nice having almost 2 teams of good players to draw from

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 11, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6 OF

on the team now, split’em up

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cueto

Roughed him up pretty well last time, nothing saying we can’t again. 1 2/3 pitched on 7ish runs if I recall correctly

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on Jun 11, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs