postgame / Pujols injury thread
i have no idea whether or not there will be any information forthcoming this evening. probably just the usual speculation . . . . . use this thread to discuss / vent / fret / freak out.
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Radio guys reporting strain - sadly sounds a lot like Wainer's sprain.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on
Jun 10, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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like I said in the previous thread
that, if it is true, is great news
They say I look like yadier molina
by ANDYAK47 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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UGH...
...wow. can it get any worse? I had a bad calf strain simillar to Albert’s playing softball. It took me 4 months b/f I didn’t feel it. Hopefully Albert’s isn’t as bad…or he’s a quicker healer…or both. D.GOOCH
-- GOOCH
by GOOCH24 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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What physical therapy
did you get with yours? One would expect that AP’s will be state of the art—which is not always provided to us mere mortals.
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
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Doc checked it out...
prescribed RICE. I’m not sure there’s much that PT can do for this…injuries just have to heal.
-- GOOCH
by GOOCH24 on
Jun 11, 2008 12:29 AM EDT
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Not true
If the Doc sent you to a good PT, he would work on ultrasound/stim, soft tissue and mobility work, strengthening of ankle musculature (around the calf, not directly to the calf), restoring range of motion, etc.
Pujols will be getting treatment at least twice a day, rest assured.
by silent_bob on
Jun 11, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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the SKY is falling
oh sorry he said we could freak out
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on
Jun 10, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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Looked like it happened on the swing
trying to reach over the plate. But it didn’t look bad which makes me think it was already worse than thought before the swing. Of course he hit a moon shot to center earlier in the game on it so who knows.
by paposse on
Jun 10, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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I don't think so...
...from my own experience, I’d say it happened when Albert tried to accellerate out of the box. When I tried to play with my calf strain…I reinjured it 3 times. All 3 times on trying to get out of the box and run down to 1st.
-- GOOCH
by GOOCH24 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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This is the worst I've felt after a win in a long time (ever?)
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DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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they won?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on
Jun 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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Damn...
it’s time for the baseball Gods to pick on another team for once….like one that plays on the Northside of the Windy City.
by KYCards on
Jun 10, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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screw that. they're due for about 400 more years of misery
leave the good guys, i.e, the Cardinals alone
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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the GOBs suck
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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Please don't let Duncan be the temporary solution
Obviously Pujols will be out for a couple weeks at least, and no one can replace his offensive or defensive contributions at 1st base, but please don’t let Duncan be the temporary solution at 1st.
by ibemrzach on
Jun 10, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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how can it be assumed that he'll automatically be out for a couple weeks?
let’s wait to see how serious the calf strain is.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
Jun 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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Mather at first -> Duncan called up to be 5th OF?
probably just wishful thinking on my part.
by Phizzle on
Jun 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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Consider this carefully:
Would you rather have Dunc at first and Mather in the outfield, or vice versa?
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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i would just rather NOT see lumbering duncan trying to fill those shoes.
have you seen his minor league starts?
by ibemrzach on
Jun 10, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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Actually, yes, I have.
Posted about him over on Future Redbirds last week, after watching him wander aimlessly in left field in Albuquerque. If AP goes on the DL, Dunc is my first baseman against right-handed pitching, and designated spittoon-emptier against lefties.
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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I'm not psyched about Phelps either
I’ve watched some of the games on gamecase and I have not been impressed.
by ibemrzach on
Jun 10, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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+1
Phelps has looked really marginal. With Mather looking like he belongs, however, they don’t need him.
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 10, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
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why not
glaus to first and bring up freese for a look see and give craig a shot at AAA?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Jun 10, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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Because Duncan is good, Freese is not
and this team is in a pennant race.
by JI on
Jun 11, 2008 1:42 AM EDT
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I'm an A's fan
But Pujols is on all my fantasy teams. maybe its selfishness but i’m pissed
by Spidz34 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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Don't even, man
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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are you kidding me
it’s cool that you have concern for the mang and its even cool that you come on the blog…but don’t equate fantasy pain with real baseball
by VolsnCards5 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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lol, sorry
I’m actually a big fan of Pujols. best player in baseball hands down. I honestly do hope hes ok.
by Spidz34 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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welcome to the blog!
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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Thanks for Mulder
(sarcasm)
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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well if it took 2 days for a bean, i think two weeks is appropriate for not being able to walk off of the field. you have to be able to move to play. you know, run and stuff.
by ibemrzach on
Jun 10, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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Boggs
I was late to the game and missed his innings. How did he look? One bomb to Votto but otherwise ok? Why was he pulled after 5?
by paposse on
Jun 10, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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he was due up first in the sixth
and larussa loves using relievers.
and now even al says he could’ve gone a little bit longer.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Jun 10, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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Looked good to me
He was due to hit in the top of the 6th, and has run out of gas rather suddenly on some of his past starts. Between that and the desire to make sure the kid got the W, I think pulling him was right, particularly with a rested pen (off day yesterday).
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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he pitched on Friday
so this was short rest – i think people forgot that.
by enoscountry on
Jun 10, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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Not sure that was a decisive factor.
Friday would have been like his throw day. But yeah, that adds to the reasons to pull him—there were plenty. But he did look good, after the nervous first inning.
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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I AM OFFICIALLY FREAING OUT
gosh damn it
i had a bad feeling yesterday when i heard about Wagonmaker, and now i just feel sick.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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even if a pu is out . . .
he always seems to come back very quickly from injury . . . just recall the expectations from the beginning of the year. this year is all gravy . . . hey if he’s out for a bit, maybe it will do his elbow some good . . . just looking for the silver lining
who will be the new MV3?
by sprfldcard on
Jun 10, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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Odds of getting a higher draft pick next year just went up . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on
Jun 10, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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strain is much better than rupture...lets hope the cards are being honest
i have no class tommorrow…and in light of today’s happenings…its time to get drunk
by VolsnCards5 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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it seems to me that the cardinals are not very forward with injury information: carpenter, clement, piniero. wainwright?
by ibemrzach on
Jun 10, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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I have no class either
but that is a totally different story. Franklins all around. I am gonna need a few tonight. Without Apus injury i might have made it through a game without one
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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Wish I could join you fellas
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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no doubt
stupid ohio liquor laws don’t allow any sales after 10pm. i’m so screwed.
i could really use a drink right now
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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that is what you get
for being in ohio
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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truer words were never spoken
i need to get my butt back to the mother land ASAP
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
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Germany?
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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Lol
That one got me, tip o’ the cap to you, sir
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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russia would also be the correct answer
but seriously, i was talking about Missouri
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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I too need to get back to the motherland (MO)
there is only so much of this corn a man can stand
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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just showed the replay again
i agree with whoever said it happend when he accelerated out of the box
by VolsnCards5 on
Jun 10, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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If the Mang is out for a long period of time
how long will it be before the Bonds to St. louis rumors start? Even though it won’t happen.
by KYCards on
Jun 10, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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Listening to star of the game. What Bogs does Mitch hail from?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on
Jun 10, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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Georgia, y'all
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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Baseball Tonight
Said left calf strain too. I imagine an MRI will be coming and the Cards will hide the severity of the injury in true fashion and he’s done for the season. I’m a worrier.
Don't judge me!!!
by BigdJC on
Jun 10, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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Do your friends call you whiskers?
by saladdays on
Jun 10, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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ok,
I trust baseball tonight! There is no way that the cardinals would hide the severity of albert’s injury here though. there is a huge difference between a tear and a strain
They say I look like yadier molina
by ANDYAK47 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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cmon
this wasnt on baseball tonight, APu doesnt play for Boston or NY
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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dont forget the unstoppable flubs
i’ve been watching it too & so far after 30 min i havent heard a peep.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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If it's a strain
He still should be given 15 games rest.
I love the guy – but I don’t trust Albert to be honest and give it all the rest he needs.
by enoscountry on
Jun 10, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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I can see Duncan now
“Oh, I can play first, pick me, pick me”
Mo : “Shup bitch, before I go all lefty on ya”
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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IF they bring up chew boy to replace Albert
we are in BIG trouble.
by KYCards on
Jun 10, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter who we choose to replace Albert
There is no replacing Albert. Any route we choose, and we lose both offensively and defensively at the position
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DFA Adam Kennedy!
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Bonds
“Hey Tony, tell Mo that I’m not a defensive liability if I play first”
Tony : “Mo, can we discuss the whole Bonds thing again? 1st?”
Mo : “Sigh, Tony he play be able to play first base, but tell me when he bats… can his wheels get him there?”
Tony : (pouts) “Sorry Mo”
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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Bonds at firstcall me crazy
but I like that
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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and we don't even know the money issues
if he really wants to play, he can take what they offer
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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i agree.
but i’m a huge Bonds (as a player, not as a human being) fan.
the dude’s a glass A jerk. but he can mash. sign him up
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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He's glass?
Then he’s an even bigger injury risk!
by Phizzle on
Jun 10, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
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glass, class
i suck at the spellings
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by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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I bet he'd play for pretty cheap.
He hasn’t gotten any other offers, according to his agent (who if anything would lie the other way) and the season is dragging on.
With interleague coming up, Duncan not making a comeback, mather with a .600 OPS, etc, I’d make the call for sure.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
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Jun 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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I'd entertain it
but mo won’t, thus my sarcasm
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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the key thing though is not to have Dunc
anywhere near Bonds
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
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I would think about it if we stayed in contention
but deep down I don’t like the thought of giving him playing time at the expense of the youngins
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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good news...colby is 2-3 with two line drive...one opposite field
bad news: redbirds loaded bases with no outs in 7th…no double play yet no runs scored
worse new: mang pain
by VolsnCards5 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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Anyone with MLB.TV
see Dan Uggla listed as the starting 2nd basemen for the cardinals by the reds broadcasting crew? I almost crapped my pants until I realized they just played the marlins and no one had mentioned it here. Maybe now we make a move? I think its safe to assume he will be out at least a few weeks, and if much longer do they think about going in his elbow and getting ready for 09, at least as pujols is concerned?
by RayMonD! on
Jun 10, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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even if his injury is season ending, he wouldn’t be doing anything because our medical staff would be in “wait and see mode” like everyone else that gets hurt on this team.
and to clarify, there’s nothing out there officially, or even unofficial (discounting over the tops here) that have even suggested that
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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no
didn’t see it. but after ankiel’s home run it said on the screen, “glaus – 8th home run”
by adiueordie on
Jun 10, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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it was in the first thread
we think they know something that we dont
we HOPE they know something we dont
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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what's with all the Duncan negativity?
we’re lucky to have that potential bat and MLB experience at the AAA level. He’s also way more experienced at 1b than Glaus or Mather (40 games in AA).
I just don’t get the reaction: Pujols Injury -> complain about Duncan.
by enoscountry on
Jun 10, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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the Duncan negativity
is because he has been using a wet newspaper as a bat lately
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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because duncan is the supposed replacement
but he sucks and we have better options on the ACTIVE roster than duncan.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Jun 10, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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To base my judgement on who's been hitting lately
that .212 Mather Average seems so convincing – I’m sorry you are so right.
by enoscountry on
Jun 10, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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you're basing your evaluation
on Duncan’s last 120 ABs and ignoring his previous two years, but even then he’s doing better than Mather – you have know case beyond Mather’s potential – which is what people said is what’s wrong with my argument.
by enoscountry on
Jun 10, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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ignore the numbers for a minute
can you look at how he is playing and say that he needs to be on the roster right now?
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
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+1
you just can’t ignore a certain number of ABs for a player that’s been in the league for a long time.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Jun 10, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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I'm not against
Duncan, nor am I against him being on the team. However...
His splits are almost detrimental, he needs to work on that. His bat is weak and has been all year. He needs time down there. He doesn’t need to be the positional playing “Brad Thompson” and bounced back and forth.
He gains his stroke, bring him up. But don’t dick the guy around because we need someone to play 1st base. It’s 1st, not catcher. So let’s not hamper Duncan for something someone else can play short term
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Jun 10, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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right on
I like Duncan a lot. I just want to see the old Duncan, the best thing for him is to get his swing back. I still am not sure he is healthy
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
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What's wrong with a
Duncan/Mather platoon at first. Best of both worlds, eh?
"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"
by rockin the red on
Jun 11, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
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if teams have lefties, they’ve been swinging them towards us. So how does Dunc help then? (doesn’t)
and potential is your key word, but isn’t a trump card. When it’s there, come knocking.
The negativity is stemming around the idea that he’ll be called up, when that “potential bat” isn’t even showing in Memphis since going there, let alone during this season.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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i agree with enoscountry
They say I look like yadier molina
by ANDYAK47 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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i just saw the reply on fsn natti
and he def hurt it trying to get out of the box. not good. this is so not good.
this also could be part of my freaking out state i’m in right now, but why was YADDA & Vilone the only guys to help Albert off the field? were was Troy? where was LUD? it’s Albert F’ing Pujols for pete’s sake! the whole team should have been out there to help him. he’s their leader. he’s the best player in the game. he’s the ONE guy they can’t afford to lose. where was every one?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
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Jun 10, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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Yadi and Ron
are the biggest boys on the team, i think it was more logical rather than lack of team spirit
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Jun 10, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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Yadi
is a good 4 inches shorter than AP, although about 5 feet wide and it’s all muscle. A taller human crutch might have been better. But anyway, he got off the field and TLR and the coaches weren’t panicking—which is good. I think.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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yeah
I meant they’re both “trucks”, big was probably the wrong wordage.
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
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He's still a runt
compared to Glaus.
by StanTheManFan on
Jun 10, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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lol
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Jun 10, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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ludwick
at the current rate, ludwick’s end of year stats
446 ab, 93 runs, 45 2b, 36 hr, 119 rbi
it aint pujolsian, but it’ll have to do until…
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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Tony said Albert's flying back to the STL tonight
this is so not freaking good
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by gdm426 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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chill out
they go back home this weekend, it’s not like we were expecting him to play the next two games. he needs to have an mri and all that crap back home.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Jun 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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That also means though
Best-case is missing 2 games
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by Mr Redbird on
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dude, calm down
any type of injury and they are going to fly the player back to St. Louis, seeing as how that’s where the team medical offices are.
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i
can’t
breathe
where’s a paper bag when you need one?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
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I hate to think about it but at this point I would say
15 day DL at least is probably right around the corner.
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Well guys, let's see exactly what this team is made of.
If Albert and Wainer are both out for a while, we’ll see what our boys can do. Let the kids play; that was my philosophy going into the season, and will remain throughout. It’ll be interesting at the least, and I’m confident in the guys we send out there every night to get the job done.
Miles in '08
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Anyone want some good news?
Tonight’s win ensures a winning road trip
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so far so good in June eh?
coupled with a decent May.
it’s nice to see with all of the talk in April
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Jun 10, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
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Not many national leauge teams have the luxury of saying that
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i think the road woes
are across the entire league this year. If I recall correctly (I could be wrong)
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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you are very right
Cards are 1 of 3 teams with a winning road record
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by Raconteur on
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Brett Wallace - 1st player since Tim McCarver to go straight from the draft to the Majors?
I wish :D
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It should be an option
I would be in favor of thinking “Way outside the Box” and sign Wallance and let him have a go. It won’t happen but if I were Mo I would give it a serious consideration IF Pujols were to miss a lengthy amount of time.
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Papa Duncan would throw a hissy fit
if they brought up a kid straight out of the draft instead of using his baby boy.
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I doubt it
it has to be obvious to him Dunc has to get his stroke back.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
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I would bet Wallance with no MLB experience
would out hit Dun’s baby boy right now if he was in the line-up tomorrow.
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Has he ever played with wooden bats?
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
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Yes, and he raked with them
in both the Cape Cod League and for Team USA
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by Raconteur on
Jun 10, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
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Ah
Cool
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by Mr Redbird on
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might help with signability...
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
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even if it ends up being a cup of coffee
anything to make sure they sign him!
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indeed
and if it’s one of the more “mlb ready bats” then let’s look into putting it into the test.
if he’s that mature as a hitter then I don’t know if I could say a bad performance would stunt him, he stinks it up, drop him to AA and go from there.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
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Why did these injuries have to happen...
right before the toughest part of our schedule?
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by Raconteur on
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gonna make the guys
show that intestinal fortitude again… AKA balls!
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Jun 10, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
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well
if we get through the rest of June with a decent finish then as they come back we could really have something good. there’s extended rest for the guys while hurt, a couple of them who were concerns if they didn’t have rest. mid’ish season, may not be as bad as it looks upfront.
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True
i’m really hoping that both Albert and Wainwright are both low grade strains that can be fixed by 15 days DL stints.
it’s time for Ludwick/Glaus/Ankiel to step up and carry this team offensively.
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by Raconteur on
Jun 10, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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well
luddy has been holding his own and glaus has been getting more pop since it’s warmed up, if rick can work on kinks and get a streak on, we’re ok.
or even if Mather does anything remote to what he was doing in Memphis before coming up, or.. etc
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Jun 10, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
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mather getting hot would be huge
as would playing brendan ryan every day.
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Jun 10, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
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someone may tell Tony
to not platoon a hot bat coming up, lets see if he can adjust and ride that swing.
Ryan has earned at least a primary in a platoon with Miles, AK-DFA shouldn’t even equate.
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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it's funny
this is almost 2 years to the day that Albert got hurt in 2006. We went 8-7 over the 15 games he was gone, then went into an 8 game losing streak when he came back…
One player, even albert, doesn’t make or break a team over a 2-3 week period. Over a season, maybe, but if he’s back in under a month it’ll cost us at most 2 wins.
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by SleepyCA on
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I know you're a WPA nut
so I’m curious if you may have an idea of the answer to this.
How many games this year has albert’s wpa completely dominated everyone else on the team? I wouldn’t say it’s many as most games have been the collective “scrappy” type.
I can’t think of another stat off hand that would show off the impact of one man, i don’t even know if it will
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by AdjustedExpectations on
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must have me confused with someone else
solanus, maybe? i actually don’t like WPA as a measure of a player since it is too dependent on lineup position and opportunities. It’s basically a fun, shiny trinket, like RBI’s except it looks “modern”, imho (except in many cases you can get big positive numbers without even scoring or causing a run to score!), and usually if I’m mentioning it, it’s because of something silly happening, such as player x getting +.250 for a single that puts the tying run on after another player got +.150 for a 2 run HR (i didn’t check the math there, so it may not add up, just an example), or as a tool to show how something affected the game (IE to show that Duncan’s non-catch in LA didn’t have as much impact as it seemed at the time). It’s very useful for the latter.
Anyway, to try to answer the question, in sum, Pujols has been worth +2.4 so far this year, with events totaling -3.39 and +5.79. Luddy has been +2.13, Skip has been +1.13, Glaus +.43, etc. AK is bringing up the rear with -2.53 and +1.88 = -.65 net (note that as bad as he’s been, his “negative events” isn’t nearly as bad as albert’s).
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Cardinals&season=2008
You can click on individual names if you want and try to add up how many times they were instrumental in a victory if you want, I don’t have the energy ;)
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by SleepyCA on
Jun 10, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
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nah, lol
i think it’s just because we’ve discussed some of those wpa oddities post game before it locked in, now I know, so it’s all good. But I wasn’t lookin’ for someone to run through it, just didn’t know if there was a list of tops or not. But after really reading about it I can see how it’s a useless stat all in all.
I was just thinking of a way to say “albert hurt, season over” is not only overhyped and reactionary, but it doesn’t show up in stats either.
not saying his numbers aren’t great, but I can only think of two game changers off the top of my head, ‘stros earlier this year (aka Pissed El Hombre), the slide home from 2nd.
I do remember a few pop out and two on one out GIDP as well.
I just don’t see it, as you mentioned it as well.. so I was lookin’ for something to “prove” it. Well as good as stats could
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 10, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
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good examples.
the steal of home was actually credited to Ankiel’s WPA…
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by SleepyCA on
Jun 10, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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yeah, i’m catching on to it.
I mean, Skip’s had a few (though most havent been total game changers, but last minute heroics), I can think of a few Luddy has had. It may just be being spoiled by all the things Albert does and it’ll hit me when we don’t have it.
Or it could be the fact that I’ve crossed the country literally 5 times in 8 days
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well, don't get me wrong
Albert has certainly contributed MORE to this team’s success so far this season than anyone else. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise, and it is measurable in WPA or OPS or WARP or whatever. There is only one Albert Pujols and we’ll absolutely win fewer games without him than we will with him. Pointing out his negative bit was just to show a weakness in WPA, that it is highly opportunity-based; given the same high-leverage opportunities, AK would likely have had a MUCH higher negative impact than he has actually had and almost certainly would have a much higher negative AND lower positive than Albert.
But the difference between a lineup with Albert in it and one without him in it is going to be less than half a run per day. Over a season, it is huge; over a week, it can be overcome.
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by SleepyCA on
Jun 10, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
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yeah, I’m not saying he’s not contributing. I’m saying that him injured doesn’t mean dire straights for this team. We’d have to play 12 games under .500 the rest of the season to even be in a situation of a .500 year.
In April that was a dream for a lot of people.
I, personally don’t think that is something that will happen even if Albert is out for the year (no, i’m not riding that horse either).
Him missing would impact the lineup a lot like how Iz being moved from closer to here and there hurt the pen. The #2 hole is now going to see pitches, we lose the ops from Albert et all.
But if he’s gone a month, I think we’ll be ok as long as we play fundamental ball and get reasonable power from the rest of the lineup.
If he’s not ok, well the light at the end of the tunnel means that him having surg isn’t a bad option. We’ll oil change our Mack truck and keep on truckin’.
Just hope if that’s the case we don’t pull a Carp and dick around for a few months instead of trying to go ahead and diagnose it properly from the onset.
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 1:22 AM EDT
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That stretch
was the beginning of a weird period for the Cardinals. The Cardinals were able to absorb the loss of Pujols because of Scott Rolen going ridiculously hot all over a bunch of below average opponents (.358/1.071 OPS/9 XBH/16 RBI) to also couple that with an injured Jim Edmonds also playing ridiculous (.341/.988 OPS/6 XBH/9 RBI), even Chris Duncan chipped in.
Of course, Albert came back during that Chicago series in which Mulder’s career ended, Marquis season was destroyed, Edmonds banged his head and cost himself most of the season. We were able to get Carpenter back around the time we got Pujols back but even that didn’t help the spiral the team went into after the return of Pujols.
Hopefully we can get 3 or 4 big bats hot while Pujols is down (for however long that is) and hopefully we can avoid a big lag in our rotation (I’m looking at you Looper and Pineiro) while Wainwright is out his 4 weeks.
by Hardcore Legend on
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Do the freaking Cubs EVER play road games?
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by Raconteur on
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Soon!
I wonder how road bias the season is for them the last month and a half. Sept come to earth may happen
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15 away – 9 home in Sept, not as much of a bias as I thought it may be
evens out as you go back into August though
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by AdjustedExpectations on
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Gregor Blanco
could help ease the pain
by enoscountry on
Jun 10, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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not with the umpire giving the Cubs a home team strike zone
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by Raconteur on
Jun 10, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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For real
Give me a break
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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Ryan Ludwick is on pace for over 100 RBI's
who would’ve thought?
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by Raconteur on
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I blame this on that "who's the worst person to lose" question
Jinxed us! Negative vibes man, negative vibes
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i blame Will
ever since he’s announced he’s quitting Deadspin, the Cards players have been dropping like flies.
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by gdm426 on
Jun 11, 2008 2:42 AM EDT
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lineup with pujols out
Shu
Mather
Ludwick
Ankiel
Glaus
Molina
Iz2
pitch
Ryan
we can score runs with that lineup
by gossard56 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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dont you know
when APu is out of the lineup, Kennedy bats 3rd?
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by mattyfrommo on
Jun 10, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
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Oh god
Noooooo
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by Mr Redbird on
Jun 10, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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I'd say that was
to “give him seeable pitches” without shifting everything else around.
it didn’t work.
(d…f…a…)
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options if ap goes on the list
recalling duncan doesn’t have to happen, alternatives involving memphians include:
glaus to 1st, freese to 3rd,
mather to 1st, stavinoha comes up
who knows what will happen, but might as well be aggressive with guys you think can or would benefit form a couple of weeks in the show
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if he is out longer
I say Fuck it, bring up Rasmus
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Lost in all this hubbub
Guayzimi owes me a hypothetical internet dollar and I’m here to collect.
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by joker24 on
Jun 10, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
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5 would have won it...does that mean anything
by VolsnCards5 on
Jun 10, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
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5 runs from the Cardinals would win the game
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i misread the bet
get your money…i think he said he was gonna give me money to since i have some medical credentials
by VolsnCards5 on
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He's going to need some medical credentials because I'll bust kneecaps!
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Unbelievable
They’re actually leading off SportsCenter with Cards highlights
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by Mr Redbird on
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Over the NBA Finals?!?!
WOW..of course they usually only give the Cards news upfront when something bad happens….
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NBA Finals aren't done yet
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by Mr Redbird on
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I thought it was AK who went down
and I was totally freaked out
less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'
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Open question
Can Ludwick play first?
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i don't recall him having a history of it
to answer your question
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From the way Mo is talking now on KTRS
sounds like Duncan is coming back up…let’s pray Albert is not too seriously hurt.
Mo hopes that Duncan does his best with this “chance” he he getting.
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what upsets me...
This may have already been discussed, but on glaus’s near spectacular play (I believe that was the play at least) early in the game pujols had to stretch out on the tail end. I said out loud to my wife “uh oh, he sure is slow getting up there.” It certainly looked to me like he couldn’t get up from the spot he put himself in. It’s sure easy to say from my couch that these guys have to listen to their multi-million dollar bodies and know when to pull back (rolen, here’s looking at you kid), and of course he hit a home run shortly after that, but the difference between stopping when it’s a mild aggravation of his previous strain versus blowing the thing wide open is huge.
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You have to give Albert credit
If anyone out there has earned these credentials, it’s Albert.
He knows his body and tends to protect it long haul. If he doesn’t Tony has shown to be conservative and override him if there’s questions. A couple of years ago comes to mind, so does when he was battling flu issues (if I recall correctly) during his streak earlier this decade.
The guy has been protecting a gimp elbow for how long? I don’t see pride over health coming from him. Though I may have rose colored glasses
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Brett Wallace
has pretty good stats against college pitching. We could sign him and bring him up. Who needs the minor leagues!
Baseball-Cardinals
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College Sports-MU Tigers!
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Would be nice but I am pretty sure they have decided on Duncan
to come back up and take over at 1st. Daddy Dunc must be happy.
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Some would make the argument that Phelps numbers in AAA
won’t translate to the major leagues. If that’s the case, then what exactly will Duncan’s shinning example in Memphis translate to?
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phelps has 1360 career MLB AB's
with an .820 OPS. So there is plenty of reason to believe, like Duncan, that he should be a successful major league hitter.
OTOH, he has not been hitting well lately and certainly does not deserve a call-up. In fact, he’s been even worse than Duncan since Duncan has been in AAA…
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MO said in the pre game
DUNK’s coming back up this week because of all the righty’s the Cards are facing soon.
so, if he was coming up any way, he’s def coming up now.
no matter how stupid a move it is.
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Somebody call Musial...
...let him play 1B! The Man could pro’lly put up a .250 average and slug .500 (ya gotta remember, the guy’s 87 years old!)
Platooning Duncan and Mather at 1B is the most sensible thing to do right now, not knowing just how long Pujols will be out. Bat Ludwick third…
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May I just ask the organization to please handle with care......
Mr. Pujols and let me add Mr. Wainwright to my plea…..they are both important to the future, the long term future of this franchise…..don’t let either one of them try to be heros. We need them for the long haul. They need to sit for how ever long it takes to get them well. No heros, please…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
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No heroes,
but more gyros, please.
(I think I might actually blame the baron’s “Seasons Over, Folks” post for the last five days of nervewracking injuries. It was like he stole GOB’s segway, just tempting him to fuck with us.)
Well who the hell can see forever?
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+1
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To the people that said it didn't look good
what about it look especially bad to you? It ‘looked’ like nothing more than a really bad cramp and I’m sure the training staff told him not to put any weight on it for fear of it being worse than a strain/sprain.
Does that mean this should be taken lightly? No, of course not. However, we’ve seen him do worse with his ankles, his back, his arm, etc bending and contorting it in weird shapes. He will miss time, I have no doubt but unless the MRI shows a clean tear, I’d imagine he won’t hit the DL.
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Hopefully you're right
As a former collegiate sprinter/hurdler I’ve seen and experienced more than my fair share of calf injuries. They seem to go 2 directions.
The first is nothing more than an annoyance that goes away after a couple of days – your calf muscles are incredibly resilient since they are utilized with every step you take.
The second is that since you do use your calf with every step, you’re just plain hosed for a long time. Luckily scenario 2 is relatively rare in my experience given state of the art sports medicine on a highly trained athlete.
Here’s to a relatively minor strain and a few days or even a 15 day DL trip to ensure he’s healed!
by birdo rojo on
Jun 11, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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It just didn't SEEM that bad
It seemed like the kind of tightness I used to get playing basketball in my younger days. It feels like your calf muscle just forsake’d you and your toes curl up into your stomach. If you watch Albert, he reaches down right away trying to stretch them out like you would a calf cramp but thinks better of it (probably under doctors orders).
It certainly could be a tear but it didn’t look like stuff like when Nomar exploded his groin a few years ago or it even didn’t look as bad as Berkman rolling his ankle the other day.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
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Someone has to take Jimmy's job
of looking like he just died. Then play the next day.
Report – Jimmy out forever
Next day starting in CF Jimmy.
Jimmy 1st inning HR. Not bad for a dead guy.
Now it’s Alberts turn to scare us every week. Ah he’s down…he’s back up again…wait he’s down again.
by Harknights on
Jun 11, 2008 1:39 AM EDT
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but you ain't never going to keep him down
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
by SleepyCA on
Jun 11, 2008 1:48 AM EDT
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yeah
I’ve had calf cramps wake me up at night and I totally freak out and don’t know what to do. it feels like my leg is going to eat itself from the inside out. but then it goes away.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jun 11, 2008 3:25 AM EDT
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Agreed
I’ve had calf injuries that have caused me to collapse, and not be able to put weight on it. Only to have it feel about 100x better the next morning, and completely better after about a week. Just because he couldn’t put weight on it, doesn’t automatically mean that it’s something serious
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
Jun 11, 2008 2:37 AM EDT
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Does Duncan deserve to come back up?
Mo said tonight that Chris Duncan will more than likely play 1st while Albert is hurt (for who knows how long).
I know it’s like kicking a dog when he’s down…but what has Duncan done since being sent to the minors to take this spot on the team?
I really hope Chris is ready…because it looks like he is going to be getting a lot of AB’s during the next several weeks. I wish him luck and I hope he can find his power stroke again…..the team will need it.
by KYCards on
Jun 11, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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Apparently Mo said they were going to re-evaluate
Duncan this week anyways and probably call him up for the weekend.
What would they have seen in his time at Memphis that would make them think he SHOULD be called back up? Now, it’s almost necessary and on the bright side (is there one with a Pujols injury?) he will be limited to 1B and allow Mather to stay on the roster as Mather is a vastly superior defensive OF than Duncan. Heck, I’d say that Mather is probably the 3rd best defensive OF out of the 6 we’ve had so far this year.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
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What worries me
Is that Tony will put Dunc in the 3rd or 4th spot in the order at times and Ludwick will start getting Pujols treatment by getting walked all the time so a pitcher can feast of Duncan’s complete lack of hitting skills (as it currently stands). Or Duncan will kill us when there are men on base. Duncan should always bat in front of Ludwick/Ankiel/Glaus and never behind them.
This is how I would have the batting order with Duncan.
1. Ryan
2. Duncan
3. Ludwick
4. Ankiel
5. Glaus
6. Mather
7. Molina
8. Pitcher
9. Izturis
by KYCards on
Jun 11, 2008 1:59 AM EDT
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even if his bat has been a wet noodle as of late, the boy has and continues to get on base at a good clip. I’d either put him in the #2 hole, or the 7.
I’d say 6, but Molina’s bat has looked fairly ok and Dunc may come back in pressing, 7 would help alieviate that.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:27 AM EDT
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The 7th spot in the lineup seems like a good place to hide
Duncan if he is going to be in the lineup.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 2:28 AM EDT
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yeah since we’ll be playing tony ball.
let dunc get on base, move him around.
don’t put him in a place where he’s to hit, and when he does… consider it a bonus
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:37 AM EDT
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It's not a matter of what Dunc has done
but a matter of the options available, someone has to play first for an undetermined amount of time. Sure Mather can do this over Dunc, but he has no backup in this case. We need Dunc with the club now if for no other reason than to be the last used outfielder and the second firstbaseman.
by MotherTruckinSteve on
Jun 11, 2008 1:58 AM EDT
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the WWL is now reporting
DUNK’s on his way up. they just said it on SportsCenter.
take it for what’s it worth.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 11, 2008 2:20 AM EDT
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If you are watching Sportscenter
they said that Duncan has been notified ‘to be ready’. Not that he has actually been called up.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 2:22 AM EDT
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yeah, you're probably rihgt. i'm half asleep any way
i dont know why i can’t sleep. i’m freaking tired.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 11, 2008 2:37 AM EDT
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Mo pretty much said the same thing
on the KTRS post game show tonight.
One thing that was interesting is that Mike Claibourne even brought up to Mo that Duncan has been really struggling in the minors thus far…Mo tried to ignore that comment and gave some answer that Chris was hurt and didn’t get the at bats he was supposed to. Mo was saying that he hopes Chris makes the most of this opportunity.
For Chris’ sake I hope he does make the most of it. Because If he continues to struggle…I don’t see how he has much of a future with us or in the big leagues to be honest.
by KYCards on
Jun 11, 2008 2:26 AM EDT
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that's exactly what minnisota said
about David Ortiz when they released him after HIS age-26 season, rather than go to arbitration with him.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
by SleepyCA on
Jun 11, 2008 2:30 AM EDT
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Wallace fight staged
don’t know if this was previously discussed but ASU said they staged the fight to loosen up the team per ESPN News
by MotherTruckinSteve on
Jun 11, 2008 2:05 AM EDT
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yeah i read that on the Cards MLB site too
another fight today that wasn’t staged was Dukes vs his manager Acta tonight in Pitts. that kids a punk. if i was the Nats, i’d cut his ass right now.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on
Jun 11, 2008 2:07 AM EDT
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(prefers to continue thinking it was real)
It was vs pond scum, so I’ll be proud of him.
and there’s been quips that have thought that it may be a cover to keep the two draftees out of dramas before signing
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:28 AM EDT
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LaRussa says there is no way Pujols
doesn’t avoid the DL, which is mind boggling that such a snap medical decision could be made. I mean, Ankiel dings up his shoulder and then later catches the black plague in his knee and is able to avoid being DL’d but Albert apparently hurt himself so bad tonight that he’s going on the DL ASAP.
Did something pop?
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 2:21 AM EDT
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unless
if/when he had it looked at a few days ago when it was acting up he was notified if something happened to it, he’d need extensive time off (define extensive as you wish)
kinda like the old mechanic notion… “She’ll run o.k., but if she starts overheating again you may want to park it”
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:24 AM EDT
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That does make sense
but how long is he being told to ‘park’ it?
They just seems to handle the news and decisions about injuries so randomly different in each situation.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 2:27 AM EDT
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I wish it happened (well, not at all… but since we’re at this point) in July, not June as it would be in an easier schedule, around the allstar break and be a little smoother transition.
However, if it were I, 15 day dl.
He was planned to have rest anyways maybe if we sit him for a while and the calf cures up ok we can look forward to a great second half from him.
Then again parts of this resemble Carp in April of last year, and frankly if I’m in a situation where I have to choose Albert back and forth on the DL till Aug/Sept or just using the rest of this season to treat the elbow/feet I’d choose the latter in a heartbeat.
In either case, let’s hope they’re heavily proactive in making sure this isn’t going to be chronic.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:33 AM EDT
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What's worrying me is that this injury is not new..
this same leg was really barking at him at the end of the season last year.
It is starting to get to the point where it is chronic.
by KYCards on
Jun 11, 2008 2:36 AM EDT
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agreed
thus the 15 day dl is appropriate, if it’s beginning to be chronic..
then let’s be proactive about sitting him
next time? consider ‘09, because he’s facing a couple of surg this offseason already
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:47 AM EDT
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The sad thing?
If they kept him off the DL (depending on how damaged the calf actually is), then in 10 days he can sit and just DH as we go on a 9 game AL road trip.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 2:37 AM EDT
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You have a good point
but when he’s hitting is when he does his running and that’s when it can get worse. If he can’t run then they might as well DL him and shut him down for as long as it takes to get him in playing condition. I hate it but it’s probably what need to be done so we can have him for the stretch drive in September.
by KYCards on
Jun 11, 2008 2:41 AM EDT
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He doesn't have to run after he hits the ball.
It worked wonders for Edgar Matinez at the beginning 2003.
by JI on
Jun 11, 2008 4:04 AM EDT
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goes right along with the timing
but if his wheels are too bad for playing 1st, then him chasing doubles would be too harsh.
and when he goes into “I don’t see the world, but the next base” mode, let’s do it with rested wheels
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:46 AM EDT
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Now we know what the Braves fans feel like
when their best hitter (Chipper) is out for periods of time with leg injuries. What’s worrying me is that Pujols is going to start following the same pattern that Chipper has the past several years. Play great baseball and then suddenly is out for 2-3 weeks….goes back to playing great ball..and is out again.
by KYCards on
Jun 11, 2008 2:53 AM EDT
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...bright side
his body has proven to be resilient and he has generally been very self governed on how much abuse it can take
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:56 AM EDT
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This does kinda suck
I mean, I have no concerns rotation wise, it’s like we have a whirlpool of guys going in and out we still have “who should we call up” debates, just like when Mulder was on his 30 day. Regardless of how that depth looks on paper… it’s there.
But El Hombre… damn.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 2:55 AM EDT
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this season is very dramatic so far
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jun 11, 2008 3:28 AM EDT
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hope you two superstars are aight
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jun 11, 2008 3:29 AM EDT
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Not nearly as dramatic as last season was
-player dies
-player has addiction
-player refuses to speak to manager
-player lost for season with elbow surgery
-player fights through nagging injuries until the end
-player returns from the depths of baseball hell to be national sensation
-player that returned for depths then gets busted in the papers
etc, etc.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 3:32 AM EDT
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true
but the drama is heightened by the fact we are contending. guess the best way to differentiate would be to say last season was just depressing
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Jun 11, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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In non-injury news (I hope)
I just finished watching the entire game (not just the Pujols part) and boy did Boggs look good after the 1st inning. He has some serious ‘Brandon Webb’ movement on his pitches. I can see what Dave Duncan means about his secondary pitches. He could probably get away with just the 4 seamer and the 2 seamer but if he could ever get that curveball to locate, he’d be deadly.
Watching Brandon Phillips dive out of the way on Boggs first curveball shows how sick it is.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 11, 2008 3:34 AM EDT
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also note how Yadi seems to play instinct and stab at the ball rather than see it into the mit. That’s what really defined how great the last minute movement was to me.
going to cinci, first game. I was highly impressed.
He didn’t have many missed bat strikes, which I do hope improves. One thing to note that with the late movement even if they make contact, it doesn’t mean solid contact unless they pick up that movement.
And yeah, a curve would look dead sexy in his arsenal, especially if he harnessed it enough for an out pitch
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by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 3:50 AM EDT
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a functional, command laden curve*
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
Jun 11, 2008 3:51 AM EDT
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add to that
short rest
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
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Jun 11, 2008 3:58 AM EDT
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