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It's all about the pitching

Yuck! Boy, the Cards couldn’t catch a break last night. Parisi goes out there and is positively awful on a dreary, rainy night in the Lou. The umpiring crew watched it sprinkle for hours during the first 3-4 innings w/o a stoppage in play. Couldn’t that drizzle turn into a downpour and we could wipe this abomination from the scorecard? Sadly, no!

Even as the game entered the 6th inning and Kelvim Jimenez was on the mound taking one of the beatings for which he’s become renowned, we STILL couldn’t get the umps to halt play, thus keeping us from being forced to use 3 more relievers. How about a 10-run mercy rule, blue? Alas, it was not to be.

The recent debates about Duncan vs. Mather and, to a lesser degree, Duncan vs. Skip and how long do we continue giving Adam Kennedy a roster spot have prevented us from talking about the most important concern w/ the club right now. It’s true, these other questions are important but the reality is that they won’t have, in all likelihood, a material impact on the team’s performance as it attempts to hang in the race. If Duncan doesn’t hit, Mather or Skip will. Kennedy’s already been relegated to part-time detail and it’s going to be very difficult to make a significant improvement over Miles at the keystone. The are of our roster that will be most important down the stretch is one area that has served us surprisingly well over the first 2 months – the starting rotation.

Joel Pineiro wasn’t exactly having a career season but his injury has already had a pronounced impact on the team. For one thing, it meant (for some reason) giving Jimenez a roster spot again which, in turn, meant using McClellan last night in a 12 run game. It meant moving Parisi temporarily to the starting rotation which didn’t work out so well last night. That’s not to say he won’t be fine for another couple of starts, but his debut was inauspicious, to say the least.

Pineiro’s injury comes at a fairly difficult time for the Cards. It’s true that Wainwright and Wellemeyer have been, for the most part, particularly strong over the 1st 3rd of the season, and Lohse has been OK but the last 2 spots are shaky. Additionally, the bullpen’s been sufficiently inconsistent that we can’t afford too many 2 2/3 inning starts. So Pineiro’s injury comes at a time when, of course, Carpenter, Mulder, and Clement are also on the DL and Reyes has been demoted to Memphis. Parisi was asked to step in, and likely will be for at least 1 more start, and dug a hole that became impossible to climb out of.

Parisi ran into all kinds of problems last night. First of all, he was behind too many hitters – throwing 1st pitch strikes to only 8 of 19 batters. Overall, only 45 of his 80 pitches were strikes. That’s not particularly lower than his percentage coming into the game but it’s not either conducive to a successful outing. There was nothing wrong with his velocity, as he was routinely in the 92-93 range with his fastball – even hitting 94 a couple of times and 95 once (on the gamecast gun). Still, 6 of the 8 hits he gave up were on fastballs, including Nady’s 1st pitch bases-loaded double that told us all that we were in for a long night. I assume that Parisi will take his next start at Washington Thursday night. When he does, he’s going to have to throw strikes, get ahead of hitters, and keep the ball down. If he continues to get behind hitters and elevate the ball, he won’t be long for the rotation.

That brings us to today’s starter, Braden Looper. I’d like to say that this is another guy who may not be long for the rotation but I just don’t think that’s true. He’s been awful of late and is simply mediocre at best but, at present, we really have no better options. What’s struck me about Looper’s season so far is that it has seemed to mirror last season’s. Last year, we were all pretty amazed at the way he began his career as a starter. Through May 12 of last year, Looper was 5-2 w/ a 2.29 ERA. He had had only 1 bad start to that point and he had given up only 58 baserunners in 51 IP. His K/9 was a respectable 5.82. Then, Looper hit a wall. In his next 6 starts, he gave up 59 baserunners in 32 innings. He walked 14 while striking out an unbelievable 8 batters in those 32 IP. He gave up almost as many homers (6) as K’s and, finally, went on the DL w/ what the team called a "dead arm." It was unsurprising as he had already thrown 83 innings, plus those he threw in the spring. By early June he had thrown almost as many innings as he had in his busiest entire season.

Fast-forward to 2008. Looper, again, begins the season with a bang. In his first 3 starts, he gives up just 5 ER in almost 17 IP. In his 5th start, he goes 7 IP w/ 2 H and 1 BB against the Astros. April ends with Looper sporting a 3.86 ERA, having yielded just 10 BB and 2 HR in 32 IP. His K/9 during the first month was 5.06. It’s not quite as good as he began 2007 but it gave us all reason to hope, didn’t it? And then things began to go south once again.

In the month of May (5 starts), Looper’s ERA is 6.37. He’s walked 8 and given up a ghastly 44 hits and 5 homers in 29.2 IP. He’s only struck out 9 batters in those 29.2 IP. Clearly, he’s having trouble (once again) throwing the ball past hitters. He’s obviously not fooling anybody either. So he enters today’s game w/ the Pirates with an ERA of 5.05. His FIP is 4.67 so maybe he’s pitching a little better than the numbers appear but when you’re striking out 2.7 batters per 9 innings, you’re going to have trouble getting people out.

So what can we expect from Looper from here on out? Last year he finished w/ an ERA of 4.94 – an ERA+ of 89. Now, he’s at 5.05 and 83, respectively. That’s probably what we can expect. He’ll throw some good games every now and then and give us hope and then there will be some like this one or this one or this one or this one. A lot of those games look like last night’s – that is, w/ Kelvim Jimenez getting some extended face time on FSN MW. It’s not a pretty sight. It becomes an even bigger problem the longer Pineiro is out, assuming that Parisi cannot perform capably in his absence.

While Pineiro’s out and Looper’s pitching like Mr. Hyde, rather than Dr. Jekyll, Matt Clement (did you know he was a Cardinal?) is set to "start the clock" on his rehab to get him ready to pitch in St. Louis within a month. Yippee! Actually, I was one who thought the Clement signing was a pretty good risk this offseason but was underwhelmed (as was the Cardinal brass, apparently) by his performance this spring. According to Mozeliak and, apparently, Clement, he’s physically and mentally ready to pitch in the big leagues. The Cards plan to move him through his rehab "aggressively." I’m not sure if they’re that sanguine about Clement’s health or that concerned about Pineiro and Looper (or both) but I’m a little skeptical now that Clement can come in and steady the rotation. I’m hoping Pineiro returns relatively quickly. (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.)

It’s interesting that the news about Clement comes the same day that we hear that Carp and Izzy threw in a simulated game as they work toward their return to the big club. This was Izzy’s first time to throw since falling apart and beating up his hand punching a water fountain or some damned thing in the dugout. Needless to say, Carp’s not anywhere near returning.

How about Mark Mulder? Well, a couple of days ago we found out that no one knows what the hell is wrong w/ him. What we know is that he doesn’t need any more surgery, which is good (I suppose) b/c it was reported that he would rather retire than have another arm surgery. I know next to nothing about arm injuries but I do know that it ain’t good when you’re not pitching and you’re still requiring cortisone shots. It’s not exactly a sign that his return is imminent. Indeed, even LaRussa acknowledged that Mulder probably won’t pitch until after the All-Star break. Anybody want to bet whether Mulder or I take more starts from the mound for the Cards this year? My money’s on a tie!

So, help is on the way (maybe) from Clement but not from Mulder. What about the minors? There is actually a lot to like at Memphis but they need more time before they’re ready – although Boggs is probably getting pretty close. Mitch Boggs has a 3.17 ERA and 21 BB and 43 K and just 3 HR’s in 65.1 IP. A 2-1 K/BB ratio is solid and he’s given up only 52 H in those 65 IP. Still, this is just his first season at AAA. He’s not quite there yet.

Since being called up from Springfield, Jaime Garcia’s been pretty good as well. In 29 IP, he has a 3.72 ERA and has struck out 23 against just 7 BB’s. He’s given up just 2 HR’s in those 29 IP. Garcia and Boggs are the closest the Cards have to being ready though they have also promoted P.J. Walters to Memphis and 2007 draftees Clayton Mortensen and Jess Todd are pitching well at Springfield. In 5 starts, Todd is absolutely tearing up the Texas League. Nevertheless, there isn’t a lot of help readily available at the minor-league level. This time next year there probably will be quite a bit but not just yet.

Thus, we’ve got to hope that Looper can hold it together and Parisi can rebound at least until Pineiro’s ready to return. Their struggles will become the ‘pen’s struggles and will put increasing pressure on Wainwright, Wellemeyer, and Lohse to keep up w/ the surging Cubs. With the strain put on the pen last night, the Cards need a good outing from Looper today.

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Ok,

I know im not the first to say it, and I dont want to be rude or rash…

but is there any reason Jiminez is every allowed to pitch for this team?
Any time he has ever been up he has been downright awful.

Whats the point?
He has always been awful and dont show any improvement.

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by jealousblues on Jun 1, 2008 2:18 AM EDT   0 recs

i mean not to talk up Reyes or bring up that whole arguement...

but in what corner of their minds is this guy a better guy to bring up?

(i suppose they might not be wanting to mess with his turn in the rotation or he could have just pitched)

but even if you hated reyes and he sucked ass…he still couldnt suck ass as much as Jiminez AND at least Reyes has shown that he can at least be a decent pitcher everyonce in a while.

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by jealousblues on Jun 1, 2008 4:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't even go there.......

Mr. Jimenez is the pitcher they wanted to bring north when spring training ended. It took extra time, but they got what they wanted. He gets ground balls. He doesn’t strike many out. Mr. Duncan can use the charts in his white book easier with him than the other guy. That other guy needs to be traded, just like they’ve been saying they are going to do forever…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 1, 2008 6:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ground balls

just like the “ground ball” that found the bleachers, first pitch, bases loaded?

I kid, I kid.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 1, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That one was a meatball.....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 1, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Screw

Let’s just call up Mortensen and Todd. They can’t be worse than Looper and Lohse.

Ok, I take that back…

On an unrelated note, am I the only one worried that Rick Ankiel only has 5 hits since returning from the non-DL?

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 1, 2008 2:37 AM EDT   0 recs

I too am worried about Ankiel

but I think his problem is similar to Chris Duncan’s problem and Troy Glaus’s problem…and that problem is they need a new hitting coach. I hate to keep harping on Hal McRae, but I really think we need a new hitting coach. Other than Pujols and maybe Ludwick all of our power hitters are really streaky and have been prone to getting into long hitting funks and it’s why we leave so many men on base. Luckily most of their slumps haven’t happened all at the same time or we would be even further behind the Cubs right now. I don’t know maybe Hal shouldn’t be the fall guy, but somthing isn’t right.

by KYCards on Jun 1, 2008 3:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i remember a story from the year Juan first joined the team...

he was struggling badly, and just wasnt hitting. he was probably pressing and the fans were getting on him…

it turns out durring this time (and McRae told this in some interview somewhere on the radio or something) that he saw something Juan was doing wrong…but didnt tell him.
Because he wanted him to fail and realize he needed to make the change.

I hope someone else remembers this, because I just flat out couldnt believe it.

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by jealousblues on Jun 1, 2008 4:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem with teaching ...

If your student isn’t ready to learn, then anything you say will be ignored. It is a difficult tightrope to walk, but I have been involved in a fair amount of teaching, coaching, and training situations. Especially when you are doing with prideful guys, such as ballplayers, you risk annoying them to the point that they ignore any of your advice if you offer it before you’re asked.

I’ve heard McRae make the comment that he wants the player to get frustrated and come to him for advice. I personally think that is the most effective way to coach. You are also relaying a story from Juan’s first year with McRae as his hitting coach. Juan was a veteran, and he was with a new team. It probably isn’t the smartest thing to go up to the guy and say “hey, you’re doing that wrong.”

by etp_stl on Jun 1, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

his job is to make them better hitters. I don’t understand allowing someone to struggle when you think you can help them out. Step up and tell them. Those at bats he continues to struggle in might end up being what ultimately helps the team get into the playoffs.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 2, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've tried it both ways.

In most cases, the better bet is to wait until the student is ready for the lesson. I have been in multiple situations where I have tried to force help on others, and it nearly always ends in the advice being ignored. Sometimes it is ignored politely, and sometimes it is ignored aggressively. Still, it is ignored.

It is an easy thing to see, and you can watch it right here. Watch the way people respond on this blog when you question their analytical approach or their grammar. They almost always respond defensively, if they bother to respond at all.

Unsolicited advice is an attack, and an individual’s first response will rightly be defensive in nature. Sometimes, the individual will supress this initial reaction, and will try to see through to the intention. Most of the time, emotion clouds this logical response, and the individual never learns from the situation. This is more likely to occur when the individual has had success at the topic of your advice without you. In the situation of McRae and Encarnacion, this is what you are asking him to do. I can think of no faster way to ruin a coach/player relationship than for McRae to follow your advice on this topic.

by etp_stl on Jun 2, 2008 9:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Todd

OK, posting for the first time, but wanted to take the chance at the mention of Jess Todd. I had the pleasure of watching the kid pitch in college last year and seriously never figured out where his effectiveness came from. He always seemed to strike batters out as they watch strike three, with the batter walking to the dugout before the ball hit the glove. I had no explanation other than batters just couldn’t pick the ball up until it was too late.

I really hope he continues his march up through the system and is in the bigs soon, because this kid is truly fun to watch as he throws a baseball at some dudes glove.

by MotherTruckinSteve on Jun 1, 2008 4:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jess Todd's Pitching Mechanics

Jess Todd is one of the pitchers I evaluated last year and have some scouting video of.

Since he’s so hot, I just put together an analysis of his pitching mechanics…

- Pitcher Analysis – Jess Todd

The bottom line is that Jess Todd’s pitching mechanics are decent (but not as good as David Kopp’s). The only thing that worries me about him is that he seems to rely heavily on his slider, which is hard on the elbow.

by thepainguy on Jun 1, 2008 10:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Todd's Deception

I just checked the video I have of Jess Todd. His deception is quite good. He does a good job of hiding the ball from the batter through his arm swing.

He also has a slider with sharp, late break.

That could explain the called strikes.

by thepainguy on Jun 1, 2008 10:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's...

...Got kind of a funky delivery. He sort of jumps at the batter, and in my experience guys who have that kind of delivery make guys “swing at the motion” instead of the pitch. That makes his already good slider a hair better, and probably makes it a little difficult to pick up the ball too. It’s interesting, b/c he was a teammate of Nick Schmidt, a first round pick and local kid from Vianney, and Todd was sort of overlooked. Now, Schmidt is recovering from TJ surgery and Todd is shredding the Texas League. Weird how those things work out sometimes.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 1, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ignoring his first two shutouts of the season

his ERA is near 5.00 with a k9 of only 4.

He’s still living off the perception of his hot start.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 1, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In 12 Starts

He has 6 “classic QS” (6 innings or more, 3 runs or less)
He also has 3 starts that I would term good, but don’t meet the criteria (0R in 5.0IP, 2R in 5.1IP, 4R in 7.0IP)
Really, he’s had 3 very bad starts out of 12. But he has also given the team “a chance to win” 75% of the time he takes the mound. I think that’s quite good and would match-up favorably with the #3/#4 starter of most teams…

by duncans_army on Jun 1, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It could be said that the Cards poor

run production is a hindrance to all starting pitchers. Every good pitcher in the league has poor starts. Becket gives up four jacks and still wins. Whether or not Lohse stays is really dependent on the teams success. I believe the ownership runs this team to see a profit. They haven’t had much success with longer term pitch contracts. If they trade Lohse it will be a rebuilding move. They’ve got to be hating the Glaus move that got them out of the Rolens contract. ................... I don’t know Hal Macray other than his playing days. He may be a very knowledgeable person on matters concerning baseball…... if so, he maybe just a poor communicator ….......... one way or another, his product sucks…....... there comes a point when a team is taking terrible at bats…..with a few exceptions, the coach has to take responsibility.

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Jun 1, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I went to the game

I don’t know if the TV did it justice, but it was raining harder than any rainout I’ve ever been to. I’ve been to games where a quarter of the amount of rain that dropped tonight forced a delay. I was very angry in the 6th, thinking I’d paid full price to watch half of a game—not the case, as they stuck around and finished it.

If only I brought an umbrella. My flu symptoms loved the shit out of me for staying in my seat soaking wet from start to finish.

Fun fact: Mike Roberts said rain would start and drizzle around 8:00pm. The rain started in the 2nd and lasted until 8:20pm. Let’s be thankful Mike’s not an ump.

Miles in '08

by Zoop on Jun 1, 2008 3:02 AM EDT   0 recs

My wife invoked the 10-run rule last night as I settled in to watch the game on the DVR

Ouch.

So I watched most of it in fast-forward. (It made the pain a little less lingering.)

I was STUNNED that they didn’t call a rain delay. That was crazy rain.

Not much good to say about that game. Well, except for Troy’s homer. Let’s hope he gets a few more of those and it wasn’t just him hitting his June allotment a day early.

Looper better be Jeckyll today. We REALLY need to take 3/4 from the Pirates…

Oh, and for the front office folks reading this: We fans REALLY don’t want to pay for our expensive Cardinals tickets, pay $$$ for the privilege of parking our cars downtown, pay $8 for a beer and/or $12 for a kosher dog and a coke (exactly what I can buy at Costco for $1.50) and THEN end up seeing Kelvin freakin’ Jiminez on the big league mound. Ever. Again. Mmkay? We clear on this? Thank you.

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by Mr Clean on Jun 1, 2008 5:06 AM EDT   0 recs

Count me amongst those who were happy with the Clement signing

I know, he’s never been among the top pitchers in the league, and the chances of him throwing effectively from a major league mound ever again seem to decrease by the second. However, for me, if he goes out and pegs a batter only to charge said batter, form tackle him and proceed to beat the shit out of the man holding the bat; he’s worth every damn cent (even if that is the first and last pitch he ever throws for the cards).

by MotherTruckinSteve on Jun 1, 2008 5:27 AM EDT   0 recs

Looper needs to get his A game back, take it to heart like Wainwright after a couple of subpar starts and go out there with a plan and execute pitches.

I dont expect to see Clement start a game unless he gets to roll the ball to the plate. You can never have enuff starting pitching.

In a perfect world (of my own making), Ankiel would now be in the 6th hole or would be sharing 5 and 6 with Glaus depending on the starting pitcher. His recent dry spell seems to coincide with being pitched on the inside of the plate a lot as of late after the minor injury rest.

by cardschinmusic on Jun 1, 2008 7:09 AM EDT   0 recs

Worrell didn't pitch last night

We really should bring him up today and send down Jimenez with the beating the bullpen took last night. Even if you think for some reason that Jimenez doesn’t suck this roster move makes sense.

by mikedallas45 on Jun 1, 2008 9:30 AM EDT   0 recs

Parisi

looked like an entirely different pitcher last night. He had no fastball command, his fastball had absolutely no movement and his curve was really slurvy. Also, does he only have two pitches? I thought he threw a change or something. If he only has two pitches, and one of them is a straight fastbal, then he has no business starting at the big league level.

I hope he returns to form for his next start or someone is going to get hurt.

Does anyone think there is any chance McClellan could move into the rotation if Parisi falters again and Pineiro doesn’t come around? Seems like we have a lot more options for RH relievers than starters. Also a way to keep Perez on the roster when Izzy returns.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jun 1, 2008 9:33 AM EDT   0 recs

Parisi

I saw Parisi pitch at Memphis last year and he showed basically the same thing; a flat fastball and a slurvy curve.

I wasn’t impressed and was a bit surprised by his recent promotion.

by thepainguy on Jun 1, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

McClellan

would have to be sent down for a while to do some conditioning to get ready to start again. Part of the reason Parisi didn’t have to is that he spent the first month+ of the season starting.

It’s seriously unlikely McClellan will move from his role. He is on the Wainwright 2006 plan.

by k randolph on Jun 1, 2008 10:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jimenez is a joke

Its easy to beat him up after a night like last night, but everyone of us Was saying last season that the guy shouldn’t be on the big league roster. I don’t understand it AT ALL! I was fully expecting him to be dropped from the 40 man during the off season, but now he’s back with the major league team.

Come on Mo, use your muscle and tell Duncan the Jimenez Era is OVER!

by gossard56 on Jun 1, 2008 9:39 AM EDT   0 recs

For what it's worth

I saw P.J. Walters pitch last night, as the Redbirds were in town facing the Isotopes. He threw a 1-hitter through 6 innings, until he wore down in the 7th and gave up a couple of runs after the Redbirds got up 7-0. He wasn’t terribly efficient with his pitches, but appeared to be able to get guys to chase (and swing through) his changeup, or what appeared to be a change from behind home plate.

Motte came in to finish the 7th and 8th and threw pretty much nothing but fastballs. He struck out 4 in 1 2/3.

Team looked pretty good offensively, except for C-Dunk and Bryan Anderson. Anderson had a couple of ugly K’s with men on 2nd, albeit with 2 outs. Duncan didn’t strikeout, but completely shattered 2 of his bats on infield outs.

Barden hit a monster 2-run shot of about 440 feet to dead center field to plate the first 2 runs in the 3rd inning. Rasmus had 3 hits, including a 2B.

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 1, 2008 9:50 AM EDT   0 recs

very nice post

and informative.
I wish there were more ‘at the scene’ minor league postings like this.
Also, the ‘Isotopes’ is a cool name for a team.

by the Tewk on Jun 1, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Houston

gosh darnit!!!!.........You opened up this post to another Reyes debate!

I am really, really, really intrigued by Jaime Garcia. I think he excites me more than anyother pitcher in the system right now. I think if he sees time this year at the MLB level it would be in the pen rather than starting….....

But all in all how can he not me the “most exciting” pitcher in the system.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 1, 2008 10:17 AM EDT   0 recs

not my fault

I didn’t even mention him. In fact, I’ve all but written him off, particularly in light of the fact that we have 5 other starters who are within a year and a half or 2 years of the bigs. We can’t write about starters for fear of someone mentioning Reyes? I’d have rather had Motte called up than Reyes.

by chuckb on Jun 1, 2008 11:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

just giving you a hard time Houston!!! Your write up was very good...

I could just see it getting off track with Reyes debates coming up…...........

by ICbirdfan on Jun 1, 2008 1:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Parisi was a mistake

The guy has never had more than marginal talent. Why he was given a start over A. Reyes is beyond me. It just appears to be out of spite. The only positive from what happened last night is that LaDuncan has now backed itself into a corner. They’ve completely burned up the bullpen with the Parisi / Jimenez disaster. A fresh arm absolutely has to come up from Memphis, hopefully today. Somebody suggested Worrell. That makes sense to me. Worrell for Jimenez is an easy call. JMo needs to bite the bullet and order A. Reyes comes up for Parisi to make the next start for Piniero.

Free Brian Barden! DFA Kennedy.

by jjray on Jun 1, 2008 11:27 AM EDT   0 recs

I agree

I’ve never seen anything in his stats that indicated he’d be a competent major league starter. From his relief appearances though I’ve gotten some hope that he may be a different pitcher in that role. I certainly don’t want to see him get another start as the results were what I would have predicted. I’d bring up Reyes and give Parisi another couple shots in the pen.

by easy on Jun 1, 2008 11:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No!

Do not bring Reyes up. Never bring him up. Trade him, trade him now, trade him yesterday…....send him to a team that celebrates the 4-seam fastball and will allow him to use it. Trade him for a sinkerballer, any sinkerballer. His fastball has a natural upward tilt. He can’t help that. Every pitcher is unique. They don’t want someone this different. Efforts to change him have made him nothing special, and in fact not very good. He could pitch a perfect game next time out and he still is a buy low candidate, forever a buy low candidate, and waiting is only risking injury…They have young arms now. They don’t need him. Time to man up, Mr. Mozeliak.

If they believe Mr. Parisi can be a starter they need to go ahead and let him have Piniero’s next start if he can’t make it. Hey, all pitchers have days they can’t locate and it was raining too. I wouldn’t expect him to have this much trouble next time out.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 1, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ARey just a showcase start

I think the reason to bring up ARey is for one reason and one reason only—showcase him for a trade. There are irreconcileable differences between LaDuncan and Anthony. A divorce is long overdue. But JMo wants the best possible return on the Cards investment. Another start or two with the big club is best way to achieve that. Anthony has a history of pitching well on his first start after recall from AAA.

by jjray on Jun 1, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They don't need to do that.

They really don’t. He’s been showcased since the spring. Teams that want him have seen him by now.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 1, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but

what happens when he gets rocked? I’ve been saying for a while that he’s more atttractive with a 2.50 ERA in AAA then he will be with a 6+ era in the bigs.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 1, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, and I'm all for freeing Brian Barden. He's playing very well right now.

He has earned another chance IMO.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jun 1, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What would you do with him?

He is not a SS and Loboros had all the stats on that… Maybe you can play him at 2B instead of Ryan and Miles but he is not a SS.

Loboros found the metrics which state Barden has less range than Eckstien….Yikes!

Glaus has been pretty good despite the lack of power so he has not lost his shot at playing everyday.

I guess you could maybe try to play Barden at 2B and that is about it.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 1, 2008 1:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Barden

Play him at 2B and 3B as a utility guy. A much better bat on the bench than Kennedy. Neither Ryan nor Miles can play 3B. It would add value over Kennedy. And I might add that Miles has worse range than Eckstein at SS yet TLR continues to give him starts there.

by jjray on Jun 1, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

So really Barden takes the spot of Mather or Ryan most likely…...That is unless AK gets DFA’ed.

True about Miles range!

by ICbirdfan on Jun 1, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no barden move gets made

if its NOT at the expense of Kennedy…and the cards pocket book. Sometimes its just better to pay somebody to suck for someone else. See Tino Martinez.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 1, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He played SS last night

versus the Albuquerque Isotopes. Didn’t pay too much attention to him in the field, but he held his own.

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 1, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not that he completely can't play the position.......it's like Miles

If he plays more than a few games at SS at the MLB level he becomes greatly exposed.

by ICbirdfan on Jun 1, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No argument...

Just saying that he could play it if need be, and he has.

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on Jun 1, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and why do they need 3 shortstops anyway

Ryan and Izt can cover SS.

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 1, 2008 1:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but...

we already carry 4 middle IF. I think the argument is to dump kennedy and used Cesar/Barden/Ryan at short and Ryan/Barden/Miles at 2B. Then Barden is your backup 3B instead of cesar/ryan/Miles

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jun 1, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I am in agreement

I just didn’t see why anyone thought Barden needed to play SS if he came up

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 1, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm keeping my seat warm

on the “DFA Kennedy” bandwagon; in fact my butt is numb now because I have been sitting in that seat for over 12 months. It’s simple—of the four MI’s we are using, Adam K is the least versatile and the oldest.
He’s not a switch-hitter as is Izturis and the much maligned Miles; as a 7+ year veteran, Kennedy has no “up side” {not that Miles has much of one either}; and waiting for him to return to previous performance levels is getting to be like waiting for Godot.
Quite simply, Kennedy either starts at second base* or he is nearly worthless. How many teams keep a pinch hitter whose specialty is laying down a sac bunt… or who is a late inning defensive replacement AT SECOND BASE ?
Kennedy is a lousy 3rd or 4th MI. If he is not the best starter at 2nd base, then he’s nothing.

*All those in favor of keeping Kennedy as our starting 2nd baseman say ‘aye.’ {I think the ‘nays’ have it.}

by the Tewk on Jun 1, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

kennedy has no use on the bench

“Quite simply, Kennedy either starts at second base* or he is nearly worthless.”

Exactly my point. Well said. Let’s continue with the task of clearing out the dead wood left over from the Jocketty administration. We are in the midsts of an in-season transition while still contending! I’m stoked JMo has been able to pull it off to this point. The Cards need to realize that Kennedy is dead money for which there is no real way to get a return. Eat it and move one.

by jjray on Jun 2, 2008 7:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On his radio show this morning....

Tony says we have sent down Jimenez and called up Mark Worrell!!

YAAAYY!!!

by moser34 on Jun 1, 2008 11:47 AM EDT   0 recs

goold confirms

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5714733#5714733

Our organization makes mistakes but I am comforted by the way they act quickly to correct them. I’m very much looking forward to the first Cards draft of the JMo regime.

by jjray on Jun 1, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Um

Not Tony LaRussa.

by JMedwick on Jun 1, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure about that?

I think its obvious Walt Jockety is not running this franchise.

Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)

by Tackle Box on Jun 1, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope

Hopefully he’s not running it from the GM spot in Cincinnati. I think there would be some tampering issues there!

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 1, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He should succeed

He should have success early from his weird pitch delivery. I think people will have a tough read on him for awhile

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 1, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome.

The wheels are certainly starting to turn for the player development team in the org. It seems like only a few weeks now until Kennedy will get DFA’d.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Jun 1, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If that happens before the July 19th game

I will be so happy I might even buy strangers a drink at the game

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 1, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think section 324

i will have to find that out for sure. I am so looking forward to buying beers

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by mattyfrommo on Jun 2, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs