Game 37 Open Thread: May 9 2008
St. Louis @ Milwaukee
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| Wellemeyer | Parra |
| 3-1, 4.07 | 1-2, 5.86 |
what's jeff luhnow up to these days? Future Redbirds has a Q+A w/ the cards' player development chief. it's a good read. an excerpt:
If we wanted a "sexy" pick, we would read Baseball America, read Keith Law’s articles, and pick based on their opinions. But we don’t, and neither do any other clubs, because while the journalists are doing a good job of expressing their opinions based on the information they have, we have to live and die with our selections and the future of the organization is impacted by these picks. If the journalist is wrong, he just admits it (maybe) and keeps writing about the next guy or the next draft. They will still sell papers or get eyeballs. If we are wrong, we’ve missed a huge opportunity to make our organization better, and nobody wants to do that.
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Go get em Wellemeyer
be a stopper!
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
May 9, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
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I'd rather take a sexy pick with a 25% chance of being a bust
than take a average MIF that has a 100% chance of being nothing more.
It disappoints me that the organization won’t ‘shoot for the moon’ in the draft. Go get a Bonus Baby golden arm and if he busts, so be it.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 9, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
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yes, but who decides
whether a guy has a 25% chance or a 100% chance of either? How do you know that Kozma wasn’t a “shot at the moon”? Just that he wasn’t Porcello?
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 9, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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I really hope Kozma's wasn't an attempt to shoot for the moon
elite SS’s come in the mold of Reyes, Ramirez, Tulo, Rodriguez, etc. Kozma might be an above average hitter and defensive player but I would hope they would take the best TALENT availible when the pick comes up and not just the best player at the position you want.
I think Kozma was a reach where they took him. I’m not saying he is garbage but they should have taken Porcello.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 9, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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+1
We’ve already got average middle infielders.
Whatever we do in the middle infield, we have to go whole hog. Play it conservative elsewhere (bullpen, #4, #5 starter, etc.), but do it big at shortstop. Given that the few SS who are power hitters are unlikely to end up here, our SS is likely to be our leadoff for the next several years and will get more leadoff hits than anybody.
by tom s. on
May 9, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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I don't think we have a top 15 MIF
Our SS is near last and our 2B is at best average.
by DriverZn on
May 9, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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Apparently
you haven’t been reading CarsWin’s posts. :)
And, top 15 would be about average, if it were near the bottom of the 15….
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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If you think that will continue...
Izz2 isn’t going to maintain his production so far. He simply isn’t that good as an offsensive player. He has not had a WARP3 above 1 since 2005. There is no reason to think he is suddenly playing at a new level.
His best ever season was a WARP3 of 4.8 with his typical being 2-3 when he was a regular and “productive” many years ago. None of this points to him continuing his current performance.
by DriverZn on
May 9, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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I am with yo 100%
I’ve been with you on this since the day he was signed. My friends and I call him “Izsuckis” in text messages. My proposed nickname for him was “Mendoza the II.” At a Memphis vs. Iowa game, after Jimenez made a routine play, I yelled, “DFA Izturis and call up Jimenez!”
His career OBP is .297. He is clearly playing above his head, but his April production alone might have been worth signing him. He has exceeded any and all of my highest expectations for him in this young season. He got us through Ryan’s injury (not that Ryan is or will get a significant amount of the time at SS). At least we didn’t have to sit through a month of Grit Miles at SS…
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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what average MIF??
we have a bunch of below average middle infielders. i was a big critic of the kozma pick when it was made, but after seeing him in person i’ve becoming a believer. his swing is much better than what carlos gomez broke down in his draft video. he has a very good eye. and he plays excellent defense. it also doesn’t hurt that he has a pretty sexy .868 OPS in his first go at full season ball.
as a kozma konvert, i urge fans to give him a chance. there were 26 other teams that passed on porcello for similar reasons…time go let it go.
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."
by erik on
May 9, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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i've become
a believer. i have no excuse not using the preview button. alas…
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."
by erik on
May 9, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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I am with you
I was mostly disappointed when they drafted him, but I have done a 180. I just have to find a way to get over to see him before they ship him out of the q.c. .
Yep, Kozma makes me giddy.
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on
May 9, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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Bernie parotting LB
In yesterday’s “Bernie’s Extra Points,” it’s almost as if he cut-and-pasted LB’s morning post from the other day.
A sample:
One of Jason Isringhausen’s problems this season is his diminishing ability to get hitters to swing and miss. He’s making good pitches, but isn’t finishing off hitters at the same rate.As always, I have statistics.
Let’s take a look at Izzy’s career as a Cardinal in two areas: (1) the percentage of swings and misses, and (2) his strikeouts per batters faced…
Bernie’s about twelve hours behind VEB. Good work, LB.
Hopefully Izzy gets a few swings-and-misses this evening and we can get off on the right foot vs. the Brew Crew.
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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that's the 4th or 5th time that has happened this year
Bernie and the others at the P-D better send LB a nice Christmas card this year.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 9, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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The should include a commission
...for research and publication.
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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bets on a Glaus HR tonight?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 9, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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Luhnow comment
“If we wanted a “sexy” pick, we would read Baseball America, read Keith Law’s articles”“
One can see the satire in his voice as this quote comes out. Love it. Hey Keith Law, Luhnow and Cardinal nation are flipping you the international Sicilian sign of greeting. Our esteemed Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has been known to use this hand gesture from time to time:
http://www.jjraymond.com/oddsandends/2006/scalia.html
by jjray on
May 9, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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Actually, I suspect they DO read BP and Law.
They just don’t feel bound by them.
by StanTheManFan on
May 9, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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hmmm
do you think Looper will have his increased day game stats if the roof is closed? we’ll see if this reverse vampire theory works. I hope he debunks it!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 9, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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what I meant by that was
hopefully he doesn’t need sunlight to increase his stats
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 9, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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and I was referring to Sunday's game
sorry for one of the most confusing posts ever
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 9, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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and what in the hell is with the rogue fans?
How does FSN keep finding Cub fans at Cards-Brewers games, and Brewers fans at Cubs-Cards games?
Maybe it is just me, but that last thing I would want to do on a weekend is go to a Cubs-Brewers series.
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on
May 9, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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+infinity
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
by coachnick39 on
May 9, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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they are like cocroaches everywhere
seriously though one yr even when the birds were not playing the cubs there was some drunk cub fans there annoying us b4 game time… SOSSSSAAA.. in the height of the Big mac sosa feud but not nec the chase yr…and they are here on the west coast too…i blame WGN…
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on
May 9, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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I think that maybe
he is being a little too tough on the cockroaches
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on
May 9, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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boom!!!!
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
by coachnick39 on
May 9, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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PUJOLS
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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We need the Colonel tonight
We need his 105 pitches spread out over seven or eight innings instead of the standard five. So many games in a row, coupled with Lohse’s short outing yesterday, mean we’re in even greater need of a deep start.
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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Albert
obviously does not like NOT being the team leader in homeruns
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on
May 9, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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I was really thinking that would come from one of our female counterparts
oh, you meant a different kind of hot.
Amazing how a Pujols homer can put me in a good mood.
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on
May 9, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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you better listen to your boy billy zane
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on
May 9, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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you think you're too cool for school
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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what is this a school for ants?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on
May 9, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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damn molina
normally money on those
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
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Ah, here we go again. Remember when Albert messed up a sure out and the flood gates opened?
by akaitori on
May 9, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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welley has his back
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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Only a wasted pitch
Which, with Wellemeyer, is unfortunate, but at least he mitigated the opportunity for the Brewers.
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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figured he'd show Piniero how to pick up your teammates
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
by coachnick39 on
May 9, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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al messed up again?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on
May 9, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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he was out
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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I know Tony regards SS as an everyday player, but
he needs to start proving he can hit lefties. I like the .333/.406/.500 Skippy a lot better than the .212/.297/.242 Skippy.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
May 9, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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Col. Wellemeyer
...about on pace for 100 pitches and 5 IP.
Lets grind the ‘pen some more.
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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he is also on pace for
9 balks
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on
May 9, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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Hahaha
Too true.
Luckily, he hasn’t shown a pattern of 9 balks per game.
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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Skip was positioned as close to the track as possible
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
by coachnick39 on
May 9, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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maybe i have'nt been paying attention this season,
but are these the unis the brewers have been wearing all year? i think they’re better.
"Heh, Heh, Heh, Heh" -Mike Shannon
by jjwp on
May 9, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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Fridays and some sundays only
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
by coachnick39 on
May 9, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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oh damn
come on welley, get us out of this one
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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there we go
no harm no foul
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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Albert
the other night some were upset with him and some izzy, but he did get robbed of hits twice and once of XBH…
Lately he has been tagging the ball even on outs. Most of this was Wed, nto sure what he did yesterday. Hes even hit some of his routine ground outs very hard…I say this to think maybe hes ready for a tear…if you keep hitting it just right at people and hard eventually some will fall..
I know he hrd tonight just thought id mention it
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on
May 9, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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thats how you take a hbp
like a man
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on
May 9, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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Some more runs
It’d be nice to plate a couple more right after they blew a prime ducks-on-the-pond situation.
by bgh on
May 9, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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c'mon Ank
join the 7HR club with Pujols and Luddy tonight
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 9, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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watch out when this cardinal
offense puts it together
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 9, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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that'll be right around the pitching staff implosion
by poohrat on
May 9, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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positive energy only please!!
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.


