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Jimmy Edmonds...released??

Off of the "view from the cheapseats" website...Jimmy Baseball may be released by the Padres as early as this weekend...

link: http://bellevillenewsdemocrat.typepad.com/viewfromthecheapseats/2008/05/padres-may-rele.html

I loved Edmonds when he was in STL and hate to hear anything bad about him...he really was an amazing center fielder and I think deserves consideration to be in the Hall of Fame...

Just wanted to see what others thought about this...Good Luck Jimmy! I hope you can raise that BA and retire on your own terms...

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From SI's John Donovan...

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Jim Edmonds, acquired in an offseason trade with the Cardinals, is hitting just .180 with three extra-base hits. The four-time All-Star and eight-time Gold Glove winner has taken the brunt of fan discontent. He could be on the verge of being waived.

Later, Donovan writes:
The first move may be getting rid of Edmonds. The 37-year-old has been ripped mercilessly in several circles as injury-prone and past his prime. Several observers say that he looks slow and lost at times in the outfield. His numbers at the plate have dropped so precipitously that Wednesday night, trailing by three runs in the ninth, Black pinch hit for him with rookie Callix Crabbe.

Even GM Towers now has his doubts as to whether Edmonds, who has a history of concussions and missed several weeks in spring training with a pulled calf muscle, can be anything close to what the team envisioned when they traded for him last December.

It’s a cruel game at times; I’d much rather remember Jimmy Baseball as a Cardinal Gold Glover.

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on May 8, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Very sad

Love ya, Jim.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on May 8, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I think deserves consideration to be in the Hall of Fame

I think he deserves more than consideration. He’s one of the best 15-20 CFers to play the game.

by JI on May 8, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

He had one of the best

5-year peaks of any CF, but he won’t get in. His pre- and post-peak seasons didn’t offer enough production.

I’d love to see it, but he’s probably got at most a 5% chance.

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on May 8, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're talking 5 awesome years in St. Louis

plus one more year where he was the second best CF in baseball (2005)

4 pretty good years in Anaheim

1 more year that wasn’t terrible, in which he was given credit more being the leader on a WS team

then some filler

The problem with his candidacy is that

1a) most of his value is in his on-base and slugging numbers
1b) many the people who vote for the hall of fame only care about 3000 hits / 500 homers

2) He was always overshadowed by Albert Pujols (although Edmonds was the superior player in 2001, 02, and 04)

3) His championship came on the last legs of his career when he no longer was a difference maker.

He’s basically a slightly worse version of Duke Snider.

by JI on May 8, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Or he's Duke Snider

with a better glove…not that I ever saw Duke Snider play…

Edmonds PECOTA Card 2005

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on May 8, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So is Andruw Jones

and he’s going to have to get to 500+ HR’s to merit consideration. With the way he’s hitting, that’s not a gonna happen…

I think Jimmy falls just short of the Hall, considering that there’s some other good CF’s with similar career numbers that aren’t in (Freddy Lynn anyone?) I think it’s going to be an uphill climb for him.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 9, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, but that's mostly because the voters are stupid

and not because Edmonds (or Lynn) isn’t worthy

by JI on May 9, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Any Chance....

....he cud go to the AL and play DH or 1st???
:=8/

"We're against society, authority, and anything else that ends in y"
- Johnny Rotten

by The MooCow on May 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Zing!

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on May 8, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

haha

Funny you mention that, seeing as I was at the game last night when Vincente Padilla two-hit them.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 8, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So sad...

This is just way too saddening. Edmonds is a hall of famer.

Redbirds Fun
2006 WS for JB and DK57RIP: Josh Hancock

by cardsfan84 on May 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Sad, but not really a suprise

with the way Jimmy is hitting this year. I thought for sure he would be with them until at least the All-Star break. Sadly it looks like Jim won’t be with the Padres when they come to Busch in July. I was really hoping Jimmy would get that last standing ovation from the fans in St. louis. This might be the end of the road for him.

My hopes are that the Cardinals will do something special for him later this season if he does retire.

by KYCards on May 8, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

If Edmonds retires following this release

the Cardinals should offer him the ‘Larry Walker role’ and allow him to travel with the team.

by Hardcore Legend on May 8, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

+1

Love to see it. He seems to enjoy passing on his knowlege.

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on May 8, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+a bazillion

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on May 8, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wouldn't rule it out, but...

I’d be really, really surprised. My read on Edmonds was always that once he’s done, he’ll walk away. Go into business or something.
-M.

Any comments, opinions, or observations I post here are mine and mine alone. They should not be taken as any sort of statement on behalf of my employer.

by MatthewHLeach on May 8, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

I just always got the impression that Edmonds was the kind of player that once his days were done, he would go back to CA and only pop up every so often for ‘04 and ‘06 WS reunions. I’d love to see him come back and mentor Ankiel/Rasmus, but I just don’t see him as the Larry Walker-type.

by joecardsfan on May 9, 2008 10:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

can you imagine

his fielding techniques being adopted by Ankiel (considering his arm already). We could be on to something . . .

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 8, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't think I want to see...

Ankiel play that shallow. Very few can go back on the ball well enough to make it pay. Much easier to play deep like Flood & come in on everything.

by random on May 8, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

agreed

jimmy was great at tracking balls down on the track in addition to taking away potential base hits. but how many hits did he really take away in 7+ years? maybe 30?

if ankiel would play that shallow many balls (like they already do) would get over his head and would go for at least a double. ankiel’s arm is good enough that he can play deep and still gun people down trying to take the extra base.

the one thing i think jimmy could teach rick is how to track balls down better. he should have ankiel thinking that anything that’s over his head is a home run.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 8, 2008 11:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Saw Edmonds

bat in SD’s game against Braves the other nite, struck out, looked bad. It was strange seeing him in those ugly Padre road uniforms. What color are those things anyway, they ain’t grey, ain’t tan, just some turkey puke inbetween…ugly.

by ridgesee on May 8, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Road unis

I do believe the PMI description for that color is “Dried Turkey Puke” ... good guess, though.

That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.

by Solanus on May 8, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sand

I’m fairly certain they call it sand. It’s the whole San Diego sand-and-sea motif. Seriously.
-M.

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by MatthewHLeach on May 8, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

This game is tough...

Larry Walker goes down looking against Dan Wheeler
McGwire gets lifted for Kerry Robinson
Matt Morris gives up five runs in less than two innings

Now Edmonds sits in favor of Callix Crabbe. Let’s hope Black sends him back out there at least once more.

by guayzimi on May 8, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Any chance

we can sign him to retire a Cardinal? On the condition that he retires the next day?

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 8, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I'd like that

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on May 8, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That would be great

but union might have something to say about it.

by random on May 8, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That happens pretty regularly, doesn't it?

Is it because Edmonds is still on a big $$ contract that the union might have a problem?

by BTown Birds fan on May 8, 2008 10:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Since the Cards

are already paying for part of his contract this season it shouldn’t be a big deal.

by KYCards on May 8, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

my thoughts exactly

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 8, 2008 11:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Absolutely

I paid the most I have ever paid in my life for baseball tickets to sit close to San Diego’s dugout so I could (1) participate in the standing ovation for Jimmy upon his return; and (2) actually yell “thank you” to him. When you think of all the good memories he has given us, it is truly saddening to see his career come down to this. He deserves much better and I hope the Cardinals give it to him by signing him so that he can retire a Cardinal, which is where he belongs and how he deserves to be remembered.

by bgh on May 9, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+10000000000000000000000000

I will always remember Jimmy as a Cardinal. To me, his career didnt begin until he donned the BOB. Forever he will be #15, and I would rather not see anyone else have that number on their back. I hope the Cards give him a 1 day contract so that, like you and so many others, including myselft, have said, he should be able to RETIRE a Cardinal.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 9, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why just 1 day,

give him a week. He could try closing!

by chicagocardfan on May 10, 2008 12:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I am gonna be at that series too

I think this moves justifies my new-found hatred of the Padres

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sorry to see Jimmy go this way but...

one point that hasn’t been made and probably should is the fact that Mo’ is looking pretty good on this one. He knew Jim wasn’t going to make it much further and got something (who knows how much yet) in return. Probably more importantly he lowered the payroll a bit.

So often I read everyone’s negative take on things. I just think Mo should get some kudos for his foresight on this. It wasn’t the popular or east decision to make, but it was the smart one.

We’ll miss you Jimmy!

P.S. I agree that having him back to coach the young guys on fielding would be quite beneficial.

by husker4cards on May 8, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

was thinking the same thing

i honestly didn’t like the trade at first but now have grown to love it (even if the player we got in return doesn’t do shit). he took money off the board and got rid of a (potentially) sticky situation.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 8, 2008 11:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Especially...

...since the guy we got back (David Freese) skipped AA and is having a solid season at Memphis this year (.283/.330/.482).

by roarke on May 9, 2008 8:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not only Edmonds...

but Rolen and Eckstein. Rolen started the season on the DL and Eckstein is there now. This season would look much different if those three were still here…

On this basis alone, Mo has done well.

Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.

by cardsfanindenver on May 9, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Coulnd't agree more

I, like most of us, was nervous about what MO would do and how he would come into the job. He made some hard decisions, made some keen signings, and overall has done a very nice job. I’d like to see a thread started on this to see what everyone else thinks of his work thus far. I’d rate him a solid 7, close to an 8 up to this point.

by joecardsfan on May 9, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Always going to love Jimmy Baseball,

but I’m glad we aren’t the ones who have to watch his further decline. Last year was hard enough to watch. But it would be great to see Jimmy come back and pass on his knowledge to the young’uns.

You are a Hall of Famer to me, Jim. Too bad I don’t have a vote.

by cardsgirl95 on May 9, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Bring Jimmy Basbeball Back to St. Louis!!!! :=8D

As a special coach, or an advisor, or sumthin! I’ll bet he will go behind the booth sooner rather than later, but it would be great if we cud get him back to be a Card for his last day. We should at least have a special thank-you game in his honor sometime this year so the fans can say so long. Even though I am all the way over in (s)Lower Virginia, I’d love for it to happen.

:=8)

"We're against society, authority, and anything else that ends in y"
- Johnny Rotten

by The MooCow on May 9, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Edmonds released

I’m not sure whether it’s been official or not but I just got an ESPN text alert that the Padres have released Jim Edmonds. Sad to see him end like this, if this is the end. Thanks for the memories Jimmy!

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on May 9, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

bring him back on ml deal?

or do a sign and retire deal thatd be nice

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 9, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thanks for the highlight reel career in STL.

"If I ain't startin' I ain't departin'"

by templetown on May 10, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Love for Jimmy Baseball!!

I, like everyone else, was upset about Jimmy going. Yes, buisness wise and game wise it was the right move. BUT I will always wish Jimmy could’ve gone out with the BOB and on top of the world, not RELEASED (isn’t that a fancy word for FIRED?) by a team in the basement. I have a renewed distain for the Padres!! Iwill be in San Diego for that series also. Thinking of making a sign…..so look for me.

Jimmy, thanks for all the memories, WE STILL LUV U IN ST LOU!!!!

by Redbird Emt on May 10, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

what a shame

great career and memories JED

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:-D

by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs


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