Rockies inquire about AReyes

by DenverCardsFan on May 8, 2008 11:21 AM EDT

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/07/rockies-turn-reynolds-pitching-help/

Along with inquiring about Josh Fogg of the Reds and Julian Tavarez of the Red Sox, the Rockies have asked the Cardinals about Anthony Reyes.

From Rotoworld.com: Reyes remains available, but the price will be substantial. Among the prospects the Cardinals could ask about are outfielder Dexter Fowler and infielders Chris Nelson and Hector Gomez.

One ranking I saw of the Rockies' prospects had SS Nelson at #3, SS Gomez at #4, and OF Fowler at #5. I would obviously hope for Nelson, who is a power-hitting IF and blocked by Tulowitzki and his long-term contract.

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Yeah

We definitely don’t need another OF. If we can get a top prospect SS, the we should definitely go for it.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 8, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Don't know anything about Nelson

... but this is exactly the type of prospect the Cards should look into as return for Reyes. A top middle infield prospect with power blocked longterm on his current team. That’s the biggest hole in our lineup and the Cards don’t have the coin to fill that hole in the FA market.

by jjray on May 8, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

I agree completely.

I think Nelson should be at or near the top of any trade ideas the current brain trust may be compiling. I just don’t know if we could even hope to land him for “just” AReyes. But there again, I may not be fairly judging Reyes’ current value.

by DenverCardsFan on May 8, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I realize we're stacked with OFs...

but I really do like Dexter Fowler. I’ve had the opportunity to watch him play a bit at AA and like him quite a bit.

by mynameistyler on May 8, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

maybe

we should keep reyes to replace Lohse as he continues his hindenburg impression….

by cdb on May 8, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

why?

We have Clement coming back . . . Mulder coming back (hopefully decent) . . . Carpenter coming back. Thompson has also shown he’s more than capable of being a starter.

If we can get a top SS prospect in return for Reyes, we should pull the trigger immediately. We have plenty of replacement-level pitchers on this team (yes, I know Reyes is better than that, but he’s not going to be while he’s on the Cardinals). We don’t have plenty of top prospects.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 8, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

For the love of God

can we please stop talking about all these guys who are supposed to be back any day slinging 90 MPH fasballs with their bionic arms and carrying us on their backs into the post season! Clement has been “coming back” for one team or another for three years now, and Mulder for two. I’m more optimistic about Carp but there’s no guarantee he’s going to be the stud he was, at least not this year. Anything we get from these guys is a bonus. Loshe is what he is, a #4 or #5 inning eater, he’s not as good as his first couple of starts or as bad as he has been lately. Reyes has had his chances, and if we can get a top infield prospect (or any top prospect) for him, I would do that in a second. I think the idea that we have all of this pitching depth is an illusion but besides Thompson, there are guys outside the organization like Weaver who could be the fifth starter and would come cheap just to try and prove they can still pitch.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by Tupelo on May 8, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

woah, woah

before you “for the love of God” me, please actually read what I said. All I said is that they are replacement level for Lohse, i.e. nothing solid at all. Unless you see Reyes as a #3 starter or better on this team, then you basically agree with me.

My only point was that we shouldn’t hesitate to trade Reyes “in case Lohse falters.” We have plenty of other pitchers that can play that “just in case” role. If we can get a top prospect for Reyes, then we should take it. And considering that seems to be your opinion too, it seems you need to calm down, sir!

Cheers.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 8, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Reyes

If we could get a top MI prospect for him, especially if he’s near major league ready, then I’d do it in a heartbeat. Even if Reyes isn’t enough (he’s probably not) then throw in someone else. this is one of our most glaring needs and if reyes can help fill it, then let him.

by soccerfreak on May 8, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Ian Stewart

is another guy we could ask for. His scouting report compares him to a hot corner version of Troy Tulowitzki. Kind of depends on what they want to do with Garrett Atkins, but I would be game.

"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"

by rockin the red on May 8, 2008 10:50 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

The Rockies want Reyes?

A team that actually has good minor league players? And some good young players on the major league roster that could work? Well, Mr. Mozeliak. Time to man up. Think fair deal, not a fleecing. Fleecing won’t work for this particular player. And you might want to put some duct tape on Mr. Duncan’s mouth for the next several days…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 8, 2008 10:50 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

thanks for spelling it "duct"

I have that argument from time to time with people who insist that “duck” is either correct or at least an acceptable alternative for the product. I understand their reasoning {brand name argument; old Army term argument} but I think it’s silly to call duct tape “duck tape.”

Has Dunc been bad-mouthing Reyes lately?

by the Tewk on May 9, 2008 1:16 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

What about

Duck brand duct tape?

Just playin. I hate that too.

by spants on May 9, 2008 2:34 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Interesting duct tape fact:

The building codes in most states ban the use of duct tape in ducts.

From Wikipedia: “To provide lab data about which sealants and tapes last, and which are likely to fail, research was conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Environmental Energy Technologies Division. Their major conclusion was that one should use anything but duct tape to seal ducts.”

No word on whether ducks are suitable for duct repair.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on May 9, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Wow!

We must have a bunch of old HVAC mechanics here with all this discussion on duct tape or maybe just a bunch of riggers like me that that figger if it’s broke…duct tape it

by ridgesee on May 9, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Not an old rigger.....

Don’t like duct tape much. Whenever I try to use it, it just sticks to itself. I’m more of a tape, glue gun, stapler kind of gal…..duct tape is useful, though. Remember Resivor Dogs?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

If you can't duck it, @#$% it!

by mojo7102 on May 10, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

That made me laugh! Thank you.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I would love Ian Stewart in a Cards uniform

but living here in Denver and reading the local rags, I wouldn’t expect that to happen. Mo would have to be willing to part with an impact player to acquire Stewart. The Rox aren’t in any hurry to move him and have Garret Atkins at 3b now leading the team in HR and RBI’s. Word is Stewart could possibly be moved for pitching help, but AReyes ain’t gonna get us Stewart. Maybe AReyes and Wainwright and/or Perez…..

by DenverCardsFan on May 8, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

"Maybe AReyes and Wainwright and/or Perez....."

Just as you have a good point in Reyes not being enough to get Stewart, you made the same mistake at the very end of your post. If you think that Ian Stewart is worth Anthony Reyes AND Wainwright or Perez, you are drinking the cool aid my friend. While I agree that it would take more than just Reyes for Stewart, I think that you are VASTLY overvaluing Stewart. I could see Reyes and a lower level player being enough…but not Reyes and the Ace of the staff. If you think that you could land Wainwright, who is signed long term now and is quickly becoming one of the better pitchers in baseball, I’d say you’d have to start at someone like Tulowitzki. No team in baseball would trade their best young pitcher for a minor league prospect who is blocked by an All-Star…especially not one who is competing as well as the Cardinals are.

by mtzxc on May 8, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Whoa, whoa whoa ;)

I am in no way advocating trading Wainwright. While I understand he isn’t up there (yet, hopefully) with the Lincecums of the world, my point was simply that Reyes wasn’t enough to get us Stewart. And I will agree to a point that constantly reading out here about Stewart may be a bit of an influence.

I just used AW as an example, sorry I didn’t clarify my position a little better.

by DenverCardsFan on May 10, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I hate to pile on, but ...

I guess I’m going to anyway. Wainwright has become the kind of pitcher that you don’t have to package to gain value in a trade. This guy is young, he’s signed to a very friendly deal, and he is showing top of the rotation type stuff and approach. I wouldn’t trade him at all, personally. If you are going to trade him, then you better get a young, All-Star position player. If Mozeliak packages him with Reyes and Perez, then the Cards better receive two major league ready players, at least one top prospect, and several additional good prospects.

There is no way that you trade Wainwright straight-up for Ian Stewart, much less packaging him with a true closer prospect and an additional starting pitching prospect.

by etp_stl on May 9, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

my personal pile on

is… trading Wainwright for ANYONE sends a shiver up my spine. He has become my favorite Cardinal and I think he is an important part of the positive chemistry of this wonderfully over-achieving bunch we have now.
On the other hand… the super discussion above tweeked my nose a bit only because the word “prospect” kept coming up—especially in regard to SS. I don’t disagree about the need, except that I feel it is a more immediate need.
Clearly Reyes alone would not bring us a major league caliber SS now, or even a 2b. But please don’t move Wainer! As badly as I want to see Izturis and Kennedy replaced or gone, if it involved losing Wainwright, that would be too big of an emotional price, for me.

by the Tewk on May 9, 2008 1:39 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

+1

Wagonmaker is one of the five best pitchers in the NL right now.

Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.

by cardsfanindenver on May 9, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

i can't put him there yet

but he is close

"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell

by elirock83 on May 9, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Really?

Santana, Webb, Peavy, Lincecum, Zambrano, Hamels…

And he’s not totally established yet but. Volquez might be your “First Six Weeks Cy Young” winner.

WW is close to them, but I’d hesitate to say top 5.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on May 9, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

That package

would be WAY too much to give up for Stewart. He is good, but no one rates him to be an A-caliber prospect that Wainwright is worth. Most see him as a B, 3-star prospect, which is what Reyes is worth, assuming he has a few great starts at Memphis.

"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"

by rockin the red on May 9, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Rankings are so very subjective and seem to fluctuate depending on site.

But the latest ranking for Stewart showed him around #38. Now I in no way think we should trade Wainwright for Stewart. That said, I can pretty much guaran-damn-tee you ain’t getting Stewart for Reyes straight up, dude. Methinks you are viewing this through your Red-colored glasses.

by DenverCardsFan on May 10, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

And I think we are getting away from my original post/thought:

That we might be able to acquire SS Chris Nelson in a deal that would include A Reyes. Nelson is blocked by SS Troy Tulowitzki and the Rox have SS prospect Hector Gomez in the pipeline as well.

That being said, I know the Rockies are trying to acquire pitching help, so Reyes would make sense in theory. That also depends a lot on Reyes’ value at the moment, which seems to be hard to quantify. Those here might tend to over-value, but AR does have talent.

by DenverCardsFan on May 10, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Latest news per MLBtraderumors

is that the Rox are not pursuing a starting pitcher.

Not sure if I believe that though.

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by stltrav09 on May 9, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Latest as of 5/10. Rockies have called up SP prospect Greg Reynolds and

signed Jorge De La Russa, who pitched well Thursday night against St Louis. So it would look as if their search/need for a SP would have been solved, at least temporarily.

by DenverCardsFan on May 10, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

So, stay in touch with the Rockies, and call the Angels.

Jered Weaver is a stinkin’ and Lackey not quite ready, and Escobar’s shoulder may be broken beyond repair. The Angels actually have a track record of working through troubled youngsters, (see Santana, see Saunders, now have to focus on Weaver), so I don’t think they will see Mr. Reyes problems as completely insurmountable. And since they can work with him in the minors this season, he makes sense for them to see if they can get him ready for 2009…..As long as you are reasonable, Mr. Mozeliak, you’ll get a fair (NOT A FLEECE!) deal.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Except, remember, the Angels are very particular on parting with their young talent.

The one they are willing to give, is probably not going to be as good as you all think he is…..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

And he's still not traded. Don't look now, but mlbfleecefactor.com has

written about Mr. Reyes situation and Joe Strauss’s article in the PD today. They recommend buy low on Mr. Reyes, and will award a “Fleece Factor” award if any GM meets Mr. Mozeliak’s demands. Yikes!

No matter what you think of Mr. Reyes’ abilities and future going forward, this organization has badly mishandled his situation. Every word they ever uttered about him is going to come back to haunt them. They can probably today get Martin Prado from the Braves straight up, or some other teams own version of failed prospect. I don’t see anything else out there…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 11, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs