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Game 35 overflow II

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bullpen's having a tough series ---- aside from villone and parisi, that is  . . . .  rockies lead it 4-3 and are still batting.

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come on pujols

make it rain

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on May 7, 2008 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets go Birds!

lets get two… or three!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Skippy, miles and pujols

if we’re going to get magic, let’s see it.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 7, 2008 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I wanna see some magic!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alberto and Skippy are money

Albert Pujols will save the universe!

by soty987 on May 7, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are bunk…wainwright is pitching like an ace…but not the record to how for it

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have...

so much bullpen depth in the system. It really doesn’t make sense to continue to let old foges like Franklin, Springer, and, hate to say it, Izzy lose games for us. D.GOOCH

-- GOOCH

by GOOCH24 on May 7, 2008 11:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really think that izzy just needs to abandon that damn cutter

he was effective in chicago when he did that

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't boo at the game

but here? BOOOOOOO

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there is one

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

on base

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roidsmaker

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Crush them, McSchoes.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Skippy

nice. Get ‘im home, boys

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice hit Skippy!

Way to go out and get it.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

see, skippy is money!

now miles will shock me with a hit, and alberto hits a double to clear the bases…

by soty987 on May 7, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

miles go ahead homerun?

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on May 7, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's got enough grit to bunt a HR

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on May 7, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

again

that purple rhino is terribly annoying.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alright Mang,

your time to SHINE!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

craptastic, smoked

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on May 7, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

everytime

they hit it down the rightfield line, its a triple…when miles des it, its a lazy flyout

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, our defensive replacement RF

was playing in frigging CF.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that is unlucky

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on May 7, 2008 11:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 outs, bases arent loaded, i like the odds

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on May 7, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dangit!

that stunk!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh

sometimes you just don’t get the breaks. Unlucky game for Albert

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 7, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its outright

guilty

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if by suspect

you mean an entire square mile in diameter…then you are right

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Luddy!

lose one in the stands!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

unacceptable

Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.

by emrfg8 on May 7, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey 2 of 3 aint bad....

too bad our closer sucks balls

by poohrat on May 7, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we like to have losses like this this year

we will come back tomorrow

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on May 7, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we'll see

Tomorrow will be a throw away day lineup

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yadi

leading off? I like it

by RabidBuffalo on May 7, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

poor AW

5 quality starts in a row, and 2 W’s to show for it. And one was a frigging complete game.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

that really stinks.

No Cutter is gonna be the new theme of this site when Izzy comes in. Blast that stinkin pitch!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on May 7, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely disgusting game.

The only positive was Wainwright.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and Barton?

on base three times

by gocards62 on May 7, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fine fine, Barton and Miles also

but I meant just as an overall team performance, it was disgusting. But I guess most of the falls on the shoulders of Pujols and the bullpen. Ankiel got an rbi, but really screwed up by hitting into the DP with the bases jacked.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to hit the ball

When the ump is calling balls that nearly hit you and bounce of the ground “strikes”

by cloistermaximus on May 7, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we just saw a glimpse

of why we’re not considered a great team. Too many LOB bites us in the ass when we hand the ball to our blownsaver.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on May 7, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to be blunt

But I’m getting pretty fucking tired of this bullpen losing these games for us.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

the hitting could be improved too

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea but when you are up 3-0

going into the 8th, you have to win…i’d have rather lost 8-0

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when you win the last two games by one run in dramatic fashion

chances are, you’re not going to win the next one

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's funny

we say that, but I wonder if it’s true. I was watching the Scrubs vs the Reds today and the Cubs were down 9-0, and Bob Brenly or Len Kasper or whoever says “You know…we say we’d much rather lose games like this, than the ones where you lead until the end then blow it, but I don’t know if that’s true. This isn’t any fun at all”

I had to agree with them, losing like this sucks, but I think getting blown out is less fun.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we learned that lesson last year

glad to see the cubs learning it this year ;)

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last season would have been

a lot more painful if we had lost all those games in the ninth due to a poor bullpen

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd def rather get blown out

cause then we wouldnt have wasted any good efforts…like we did today

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but atleast we had good efforts

in blowouts, generally the whole team sucked. You can atleast take a few positives from tonights game: Wainwright continues to pitch like an ace, Ludwick is looking more and more like a legitimate cleanup hitter, etc..

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 out of three aint bad

and the cards have been doing it consecutively for a while.

by Rabb on May 7, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea

but assuming we win tomorrow.

by Rabb on May 7, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The love hate relationship here with Izzy is amusing, but

warranted. He clearly has the ability to be a shutdown closer once every blue moon, and we all love him when he does. That said, it’s time for a change. If this team is going to live up to the unexpected potential it has, we must have consistency in a closer.

by BamaCardinal on May 7, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

he hasn’t been reliable enough to be a closer imo. not sure if anyone would be better though

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone in the pen currently

is in a position to adequately replace Izzy. Maybe there’s a farm product I don’t know about, or Moz could make a trade.

by BamaCardinal on May 7, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Perez is ready

personally. He still has command issues.

Motte only has one trick at the moment, and it’s a very hard fastball. That’s good enough to get AAA hitters out, but you need seconday stuff to get major leaguers out.

Jaime Garcia is a starter, so he wouldn’t be much help in the pen.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

command is an issue…but i’d rather my closer walk one an inning and then strike out the side than give up base hit after base hit

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chris perez, jason motte, jaime garcia

google ‘em.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never liked him professionally

Never will. 100% Izzy hate/concern from me. Whee! Personally, though, he seems nice enough.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on May 7, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a person, I like him alot

as a baseball player, not so much.

But he really is a stand up guy and it pains me to be so harsh on him, but i’m sick of him blowing games.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony has to be thinking

about trying someone else in the closer role. I agree it is time for a change. Can’t afford to blow to many more games like this, especially since we have trouble with leaving tons of men on base and struggle to score more that 4-5 runs most games.

by KYCards on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it all boils down to

one missed fly ball by albert. love the mang, and izzy didn’t pick him up, but ya gotta catch that ball.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or a series of lob at bats with nothing to show

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most of which were by Albert also

probably one the worst games of his amazing career

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what happened

on the dropped pop up???

by gossard56 on May 7, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks to TLR not making him take a day off

or just giving him a day off, either way

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we could be, like, totally celebrating how awesome Duncan is right now

oh, what fickle fans we are…

Still in first place by 2.5 games!!!

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont blame TLR for that

tomorrow was the ideal day to give Pujols the day off, not tonight

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised

this is the first mention of this in these gamethreads.

I left in the 8th after Flores got Helton to pop-up with a man on third and one out. Watched the Atkins AB when Pujols should have ended the inning on that foul pop. (He owned up to it in the post-game). Game should’ve been over there, Flores was nails and should’ve been the hero. Left when we changed pitchers to Izzy.

It’s a serious pisser that Isringhausen blew the save, but that inning should’ve been over without him having to pitch.

Also, I met up with a bunch of Red Sox fans to watch the top of the 9th. Pujols’ liner that Barmes leapt and caught was a rope. My table was greatly impressed with both the Pujols BIP and the Barmes snag.

Get ‘em tomorrow! Their starter has an ERA over 20!

We’ll just have to win the next two to get to the beastly .666 winning percentage.

by liam on May 8, 2008 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...bullpen needs a shake up

can’t trust Franklin or Izzy and Springer doesn’t even pitch, he just takes up a spot as best as i can tell.

Need another shutdown righty cause Franklin isnt that this year and who knows what the hell is up with Springer.

by gossard56 on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Besides his actual number of saves

does izzy have one stat/periphial/split or anything that could look as positive this season? I looked around and just could not find one bit of information that makes me think he can be effective this season.

by Dave0585 on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nothing about Izzy has been a positive this season

after those first handful of games.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll take Izzy without the cutter over anyone that we have in AAA at the moment, but even though he has some great success without it, he keeps going back to it and it’s bs

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Mike Shannon was right

he said that we’d lose the game if Albert didn’t come through with the bases loaded.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with SleepyCA

I thought Pujols was a bigger goat this game than Izzy. Spilborghs’ single off Izzy was kind of a fluke—a chopper that squeaked between third and short. I mean, sure, the Iannetta triple was scorched, but frankly we shouldn’t have been in that position. Albert missing that pop fly was just odd, and he left 8 runners on base. Add in Ankiel losing track of the outs (and GIDP’ing with the bases juiced) and it all adds up to, I think, our ugliest loss of the season.

Brian Gunn

by briangunn on May 7, 2008 11:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But there was some over managing

I mean, K-Mac should have stayed in there. He K’d the first guy, a bloop single and a triple. We’re up 3-1, surely he could have been given a chance. Why bring in Flores in that situation?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flores

is known to allow inherited runners to score, k-mac should have had a chance to redeem off a bad and well hit pitch.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, secondary goat vote goes to schu

he gave up two triples in one inning by being poorly positioned in RF. If he was told to play in CF by someone, fine, but he was way out of position on two balls that should not have made it to the wall.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uhhh....i doubt he was out of position by his own accord

the outfielders position themselves where the manager tells them to.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8th inning

pop foul near the dug out…pujols over ran it…should have caught it

by VolsnCards5 on May 7, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the 8th

Two outs, Flores just got Helton to pop out for out #2, then there was a foul pop near the first-base dugout. For some reason Albert drifted over and waited near the dugout railing, as if he was going to reach in and snare the pop. But it fell about two feet BEHIND him (he got twisted around and actually tried to barehand it at the last second).

Brian Gunn

by briangunn on May 7, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

painful

to even read that. uggh…

by gossard56 on May 7, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Colby Rasmus continues to stink it up in AAA

even though the rest of the team is raking against this Las Vegas pitcher. Anderson, Hoffpauir and Freese are all having great games and Mitchell Boggs is throwing a pretty good game versus one of the better AAA line ups.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

it could be said we stole the first game, they stole this one. let’s.. not split this series tomorrow.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree...

We can still take 3 of 4 tomorrow….and that is a damn fine goal before heading into Brew land…

by Timbo02 on May 7, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

I don’t have any direct stats to show for it off hand, but from general impressions, teams that finish a road trip in fl don’t tend to do well.

and the brew have been stinking it up as of late, let’s not go in there on a 2 game losing streak.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

We could’ve won all 3, but we really only played well enough to win 2 of 3, so the baseball gods are still just.

Brian Gunn

by briangunn on May 7, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

the only problem is that you can’t just ignore the obvious Izzy problem (i’m not saying you are, just saying in general). Something has to be done about this, but I don’t know if it will be. TLR has proven that he will keep trotting Izzy out there, regardless of the outcome

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I’m probably not along with the main group that thinks there’s an izzy problem per se. There’s an Izzy pitch problem. He needs to be enforced, by dunc, tlr, molina, larue et all.

That cutter is not something he needs to use, at all.

That’s the pitch that kills the man, remove the pitch and you still have a decent closer. In my opinion.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he shouldn’t have even been in there. K-Mac should have gotten a chance after that triple to recover. I don’t think Flores was the right call at that moment.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just dont think it is that simple

because if something is that obvious to us, then it is that obvious to people in the organization as well. Izzy was leaving the ball up with both his cutter and his fastball, which is a sign that his hip is acting up again. He needs to hit the DL

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possible.

But I think we have to accept that Izzy is just not the overpowering closer he has been in the past. I think the pitch he threw on the triple was not that bad of a pitch actually….and I REALLY question the move to bring him in, in the 8th by Tony.. ... but last night it was Franklin.. tonight Izzy….. but the 10 men left on base….the dropped foul by Albert…all of that is why they lost this game….and you have to just hand it to the Rocks and get ready for tomorrow.

by Timbo02 on May 8, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, I watched on espn rather than gameday as far as location and one pitch was up the entire outing, now while I can accept espn being off, it’s fair to say that his pitches weren’t up. No where near ‘06 Izzy standards.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 8, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wagonmaker looked strong...

I almost prefer gut-thinking with our bullpen, wagonmeaker looked good keep him going.. pitch-counts overrated?

by Future Birds-on-Bat on May 7, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He looked gassed that last inning

no way should they of kept him in.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, he was dead

throwing 87 mph fastballs. Yikes.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wagonmaker looked strong...

I almost prefer gut-thinking with our bullpen, wagonmeaker looked good keep him going.. pitch-counts overrated?

by Future Birds-on-Bat on May 7, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Luddy gets the BAMF award, regardless of outcome

Waino is a close second, but he didn’t get a homerun, and I was disappointed.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 8, 2008 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hilarious WPA result tonight

Luddy was 2-4 with a HR, 2 RBI, and a run scored, (in a 3 run game!) and 2 great catches in the OF, while Schu was 1-1 with a single in the ninth inning giving up 2 triples, and luddy finished the game with a -.004 WPA while Schu led the team with .114.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 8, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have a link Sleepy?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 8, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

duh, thanks

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 8, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

know how many bullpen losses we have this year?

it’s a worrying trend, though I agree. Need to concentrate on tomorrow now, don’t want to head to Miller on a two game losing streak. Need to back up Lohse with a nice spray of hits

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 8, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you can blame Pujols....

Sure, it would have been great to catch that foul ball. But it’s not like it was an easy pop fly foul, it was about 3 feet from the stands, and it probably would have been in the stands in just about any other ballpark.

In situations like that, you need a reliever that can strike a guy out. The Cardinals don’t have that, really.

Start Ludwick vs righties (maybe this will work)

by DiscoJer on May 8, 2008 5:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

closer situation

what if we trade someone for Marmol? I mean… the Cubs aren’t very smart, right? he’s not even their closer now for some stupid reason.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on May 8, 2008 6:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hahah

1. They’ll never give him up. well, maybe they’d give him up for Wainwright or 2006 Carp.

2. He sometimes doesn’t like pressure sitiations. Happened in the playoffs last year, has happened a time or 2 this year.

by sdrone on May 8, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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