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Game 35 Open Thread: May 7, 2008

St. Louis Cardinals @ Colorado Rockies


Wainwright Francis
3-1, 2.60 0-3, 5.26

here's a rematch of the opening day that wasn't; rained after 3 or 4 innings. it might rain again tonight, but they should be able to get it in.

ankiel's throw in the first inning was more than just a pretty exhibition of throwing prowess; it got looper out of a 1st-inning jam. the first two men had reached against looper in that inning with the cards leading only 1-0; the next hitter would have been garrett atkins, the rocks' leader in HR and RBI, with looper already up around 20 pitches for the inning. ankiel got looper out of that confrontation. by the time he took the mound again, he led 4-0.

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Lineup tonight

From the last thread
by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 5:45 PM EDT

Barton
Miles
Pujols
Ludwick
Glaus
Ankiel
LaRue
Wainwright
Izturis

Tavares
Quintanilla
Holliday
Helton
Atkins
Hawpe
Ianetta
Barmes
Francis

by ubeddie on May 7, 2008 7:25 PM EDT   0 recs

yee gads...

aaron miles is last guy who should be hitting second.

by guayzimi on May 7, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

His

numbers resemble Kennedy, who would be in the 2 hole should he not be plus you have to look at what Miles has done against Francis .400/.455 /.600/1.055 in 11 PA.

I’m assuming Tony is playing the numbers game against Francis

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ankiel, Glaus, or

Ludwick in the two-hole would produce more runs than having Miles in there…

by guayzimi on May 7, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On the basis of what?

Glaus hasn’t been doing much as of late. Ludwick’s swing deserves to be lower in the order. Rick, I’d give. However, having our 2B sitting in the #2 hole has produced as of late, and with the way Miles hits Francis I’d say there’s a reasonable idea to the spot.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

After Rick's performance last night

I’d leave him at #6 all season. or at least, continue to do so until he changes your mind.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

me too

we may not have a killer clean up hitter, but if at least we have some depth behind El Hombre we have a chance to punish those walks.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

plus

Ludwick looks like a good fit for cleanup after 4 for 4 last night. leave him at 4

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On the basis..

that he has an exceptionally difficult time getting to second base. He has exactly two extra base hits in 72 plate appearances and he can’t run at all. Miles should be hanging with La Rue, Izturis, and Wainwright. Good god that’s 44% of our hitters.

by guayzimi on May 7, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

clog the bases

so they can’t walk albert. singles in front of AP are fine. Doubles lead to UIBB

by ubeddie on May 7, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UIBB are great

when you have guys like Luddy, glaus and Ankiel batting behind albert, Albert will score a lot of runs.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UIBB are good when out hitters are on fire

I still would rather have Albert swinging than take the base on balls

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 7, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sigh

Iz has warmed up as of late and can bat against lefties, and grouping miles, or adam(?!) with larue is a little over exaggeration don’t you think?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LaRue

does represent the pitchers batting numbers a little closer doesn’t he?

Then again, I’ve loved the bat that we’ve had in the 8th spot the past two games, Adam pretty much is a best case scenario of it being successful 3 games in a row

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm.....

I would’ve expected Molina to get tomorrow afternoon off. Wonder why today instead?

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 7:26 PM EDT   0 recs

More time between starts

if you count hours????

by ubeddie on May 7, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Molina

does trend to getting afternoon off after a night game.

But I think it’s setting up for a couple of players getting a day off tomorrow. We all seen how the LaRue + everyone having days off experiment went in San Fran a couple weeks ago. I’d say it’s not to keep Molina out of tonight’s lineup, but to make sure he’s in tomorrow.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Guess Thursday's lineup contest

Facing LHP Jorge De La Rosa — what will Tony do?????

Schumaker CF
Miles 2B
Barton RF
Ludwick LF
Molina C
Ryan 3B
LaRue 1B
Lohse P
Izturis SS

by ubeddie on May 7, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think it'll be that bad.....

TLR typically keeps some guys in the lineup.

I’d say:

Schumaker RF
Barton LF
Ludwick CF
Duncan 1B
Glaus 3B
Molina C
Miles 2B
Lohse P
Ryan SS

Could see Ryan staying in at 3B for Glaus, but that would leave us awful thin in the middle of the lineup. I doubt we see LaRue in the field though.

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah

Barton LF
Kennedy 2B
Ankiel CF
Ludwick RF
Duncan 1B
Molina C
Ryan 3B
Lohse P
Izturis SS

Or something like that. That’s at least my guess as to who’s playing what positions.

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by Mr Redbird on May 7, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looks reasonable

Glaus looks to be getting tomorrow off if any. When we had our couple of games in Miller in late April he put up .444/.545/.667/1.212. I don’t see him sitting out any of that series.

Sucks we’re in this position with Duncan though, Albert needs a day off and I doubt we see it in the four game series against the Brew, so that means seeing Duncan vs a leftie

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like that

except maybe switch ryan and izturis

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah

Izturis is starting to settle into the #9 role and since Ryan has a little more power, he should be closer to the middle of the order.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
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by Mr Redbird on May 7, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

either way, good lineup

I’m not sure, but there might actually be more opportunities at 9 then at 7 for rbi’s.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, I was sort of hoping he'd have the night off tonight

but maybe he’ll hit a couple of dingers to convince me otherwise, heh.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Francis owes him

one from the stolen one from the rain delay, doesn’t he?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ok

Somebody tell me why Francis is favored over Wainwright tonight…….......in Vegas

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 7, 2008 7:57 PM EDT   0 recs

I guess more people have bet on the Rockies

That’s how they get their favorite/underdogs. It changes with the pattern of betting until it stabilizes.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
Track 'em Tigers - An SB Nation Blog for Auburn Tigers fans

by Mr Redbird on May 7, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes and no.....

It changes based on bets placed, but I’d bet that Col game out favored. A little odd.

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess that was

a rhetorical question. The odds makers start the line, then adjust it to control their liability. Somebody likes Francis and De La Rosa tomorrow. Pitchers with no wins against pitchers with lots of wins. They must think the Rockies can hit it seems. Maybe not the Cardinals. Sounds like easy money huh?

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well, you have to look at the odds of us going 3-0 in this series, or on a four game winning streak, or our bullpen (which may not come into play tonight, depending on which tony we see.. keep him in because he’s our ace, or pull him to protecting him) keeping runs off the board, francis going 0-4, etc.

I’d say the smart money would be the rockies, but as a fan it seems like it’s a solid bet.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bettingwise, tonight's game is independent of last night's, etc.

The odds are about the same for each game, and they are about 1:1, slightly better in good years or against bad teams.

by Red in Chicago on May 7, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You’ll find a lot of chase systems coming into play tonight is what I’m implying, and I don’t find any game to be completely independent of previous nights/campaigns. They all play a factor, just depends if those factors can entice the public. Which is the overall goal.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

francis is probably favored because

he has a .650 career winning percentage at home. don’t know about the guy in tomorrow’s game.

by lboros on May 7, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe it's the whole thing

where everyone expects the cards to start losing at any moment. so the odds to them say, chances are the cardinals won’t keep winning at this clip. 11 over .500 sounds crazy in may, heh

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lboros

are you gonna be at the game? you seemed to serve as a good luck charm for the boys these past 2 games

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on May 7, 2008 8:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Internet problems

Is anyone else having problems getting on the MLB web page. My internet is acting all kinds of goofy right now, Shakes fist at Charter

by FlimtotheFlam on May 7, 2008 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

this stupid computer at work won't let me upgrade to

windows media player 11. Why can’t they make that stuff backward compatible?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

all right

single for Barton

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:39 PM EDT   0 recs

I liked the comments from the rockies announcer:

“Do’t be fooled by Francis’ 0-3 record”...

Yeah, cuz he got lucky and got loss #4 (and pujols HR #1) rained out.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not quite

Although on gameday it looks like he missed a meatball

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by Mr Redbird on May 7, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent start

Get the first two guys on for the Mang, and first base is occupied

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
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by Mr Redbird on May 7, 2008 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

2 hard hit balls

right at defenders. But we do have a run

by thewizard3 on May 7, 2008 8:45 PM EDT   0 recs

imagine the vitriol

if duncan had caught a ball like Holliday just did…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 8:45 PM EDT   0 recs

the fact that he got an out is immaterial.

It’s that the catch was “ugly.”

:)

by tom s. on May 7, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

a league average outfielder

would have thrown barton out, or something…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lost in my sarcasm

is that Barton did a great job of tagging up on that and getting home. great hustle and heads up play, though i imagine he had oquendo whispering in his ear the whole time…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ouch

7 homers against the scrubs today. wow.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Hate to be a noob...

But who are the “scrubs?”

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on May 7, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Creative

hate the cubbies.

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on May 7, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In our house

we prefer “Flubs.”

by StanTheManFan on May 7, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the cubs

Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.

by KerouacCardinal on May 7, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

am I missing something

why would they intentionally walk glaus?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:48 PM EDT   0 recs

they were going

for the leftie leftie. it didn’t work out too well.

Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.

by KerouacCardinal on May 7, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

because the base is open

and apparently nobody watched ankiel last night.

by tom s. on May 7, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs