Game 35 Open Thread: May 7, 2008
St. Louis Cardinals @ Colorado Rockies
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| Wainwright | Francis |
| 3-1, 2.60 | 0-3, 5.26 |
here's a rematch of the opening day that wasn't; rained after 3 or 4 innings. it might rain again tonight, but they should be able to get it in.
ankiel's throw in the first inning was more than just a pretty exhibition of throwing prowess; it got looper out of a 1st-inning jam. the first two men had reached against looper in that inning with the cards leading only 1-0; the next hitter would have been garrett atkins, the rocks' leader in HR and RBI, with looper already up around 20 pitches for the inning. ankiel got looper out of that confrontation. by the time he took the mound again, he led 4-0.
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Lineup tonight
From the last thread
by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
Barton
Miles
Pujols
Ludwick
Glaus
Ankiel
LaRue
Wainwright
Izturis
Tavares
Quintanilla
Holliday
Helton
Atkins
Hawpe
Ianetta
Barmes
Francis
by ubeddie on May 7, 2008 7:25 PM EDT 0 recs
yee gads...
aaron miles is last guy who should be hitting second.
by guayzimi on
May 7, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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His
numbers resemble Kennedy, who would be in the 2 hole should he not be plus you have to look at what Miles has done against Francis .400/.455 /.600/1.055 in 11 PA.
I’m assuming Tony is playing the numbers game against Francis
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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Ankiel, Glaus, or
Ludwick in the two-hole would produce more runs than having Miles in there…
by guayzimi on
May 7, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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On the basis of what?
Glaus hasn’t been doing much as of late. Ludwick’s swing deserves to be lower in the order. Rick, I’d give. However, having our 2B sitting in the #2 hole has produced as of late, and with the way Miles hits Francis I’d say there’s a reasonable idea to the spot.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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After Rick's performance last night
I’d leave him at #6 all season. or at least, continue to do so until he changes your mind.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
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me too
we may not have a killer clean up hitter, but if at least we have some depth behind El Hombre we have a chance to punish those walks.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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plus
Ludwick looks like a good fit for cleanup after 4 for 4 last night. leave him at 4
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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On the basis..
that he has an exceptionally difficult time getting to second base. He has exactly two extra base hits in 72 plate appearances and he can’t run at all. Miles should be hanging with La Rue, Izturis, and Wainwright. Good god that’s 44% of our hitters.
by guayzimi on
May 7, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
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clog the bases
so they can’t walk albert. singles in front of AP are fine. Doubles lead to UIBB
by ubeddie on
May 7, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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UIBB are great
when you have guys like Luddy, glaus and Ankiel batting behind albert, Albert will score a lot of runs.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 7, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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UIBB are good when out hitters are on fire
I still would rather have Albert swinging than take the base on balls
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on
May 7, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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sigh
Iz has warmed up as of late and can bat against lefties, and grouping miles, or adam(?!) with larue is a little over exaggeration don’t you think?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Wonder if there was any thought.....
To batting Wainer 7th? :)
by SoonerfanTU on
May 7, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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LaRue
does represent the pitchers batting numbers a little closer doesn’t he?
Then again, I’ve loved the bat that we’ve had in the 8th spot the past two games, Adam pretty much is a best case scenario of it being successful 3 games in a row
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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Hmm.....
I would’ve expected Molina to get tomorrow afternoon off. Wonder why today instead?
by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 7:26 PM EDT 0 recs
Molina
does trend to getting afternoon off after a night game.
But I think it’s setting up for a couple of players getting a day off tomorrow. We all seen how the LaRue + everyone having days off experiment went in San Fran a couple weeks ago. I’d say it’s not to keep Molina out of tonight’s lineup, but to make sure he’s in tomorrow.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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Guess Thursday's lineup contest
Facing LHP Jorge De La Rosa — what will Tony do?????
Schumaker CF
Miles 2B
Barton RF
Ludwick LF
Molina C
Ryan 3B
LaRue 1B
Lohse P
Izturis SS
by ubeddie on
May 7, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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I don't think it'll be that bad.....
TLR typically keeps some guys in the lineup.
I’d say:
Schumaker RF
Barton LF
Ludwick CF
Duncan 1B
Glaus 3B
Molina C
Miles 2B
Lohse P
Ryan SS
Could see Ryan staying in at 3B for Glaus, but that would leave us awful thin in the middle of the lineup. I doubt we see LaRue in the field though.
by SoonerfanTU on
May 7, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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Nah
Barton LF
Kennedy 2B
Ankiel CF
Ludwick RF
Duncan 1B
Molina C
Ryan 3B
Lohse P
Izturis SS
Or something like that. That’s at least my guess as to who’s playing what positions.
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by Mr Redbird on
May 7, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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Looks reasonable
Glaus looks to be getting tomorrow off if any. When we had our couple of games in Miller in late April he put up .444/.545/.667/1.212. I don’t see him sitting out any of that series.
Sucks we’re in this position with Duncan though, Albert needs a day off and I doubt we see it in the four game series against the Brew, so that means seeing Duncan vs a leftie
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
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I like that
except maybe switch ryan and izturis
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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Nah
Izturis is starting to settle into the #9 role and since Ryan has a little more power, he should be closer to the middle of the order.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
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by Mr Redbird on
May 7, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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either way, good lineup
I’m not sure, but there might actually be more opportunities at 9 then at 7 for rbi’s.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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El hombre deserves a rest now and then. He has not looked good of late.
by akaitori on May 7, 2008 7:39 PM EDT 0 recs
yeah, I was sort of hoping he'd have the night off tonight
but maybe he’ll hit a couple of dingers to convince me otherwise, heh.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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Francis owes him
one from the stolen one from the rain delay, doesn’t he?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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ok
Somebody tell me why Francis is favored over Wainwright tonight…….......in Vegas
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 7, 2008 7:57 PM EDT 0 recs
I guess more people have bet on the Rockies
That’s how they get their favorite/underdogs. It changes with the pattern of betting until it stabilizes.
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by Mr Redbird on
May 7, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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Yes and no.....
It changes based on bets placed, but I’d bet that Col game out favored. A little odd.
by SoonerfanTU on
May 7, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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or actually i mean to get you to bet on francis, the lines are made to encourage betting
by FunkeeC on
May 7, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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I guess that was
a rhetorical question. The odds makers start the line, then adjust it to control their liability. Somebody likes Francis and De La Rosa tomorrow. Pitchers with no wins against pitchers with lots of wins. They must think the Rockies can hit it seems. Maybe not the Cardinals. Sounds like easy money huh?
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on
May 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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well, you have to look at the odds of us going 3-0 in this series, or on a four game winning streak, or our bullpen (which may not come into play tonight, depending on which tony we see.. keep him in because he’s our ace, or pull him to protecting him) keeping runs off the board, francis going 0-4, etc.
I’d say the smart money would be the rockies, but as a fan it seems like it’s a solid bet.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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Bettingwise, tonight's game is independent of last night's, etc.
The odds are about the same for each game, and they are about 1:1, slightly better in good years or against bad teams.
by Red in Chicago on
May 7, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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You’ll find a lot of chase systems coming into play tonight is what I’m implying, and I don’t find any game to be completely independent of previous nights/campaigns. They all play a factor, just depends if those factors can entice the public. Which is the overall goal.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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francis is probably favored because
he has a .650 career winning percentage at home. don’t know about the guy in tomorrow’s game.
by lboros on
May 7, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
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maybe it's the whole thing
where everyone expects the cards to start losing at any moment. so the odds to them say, chances are the cardinals won’t keep winning at this clip. 11 over .500 sounds crazy in may, heh
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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lboros
are you gonna be at the game? you seemed to serve as a good luck charm for the boys these past 2 games
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?
by RosevilleRedbird on May 7, 2008 8:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Internet problems
Is anyone else having problems getting on the MLB web page. My internet is acting all kinds of goofy right now, Shakes fist at Charter
by FlimtotheFlam on May 7, 2008 8:25 PM EDT 0 recs
Always use this link
to avoid MLB.com’s over-reliance on flash, etc.
by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2008 8:26 PM EDT 0 recs
this stupid computer at work won't let me upgrade to
windows media player 11. Why can’t they make that stuff backward compatible?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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all right
single for Barton
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:39 PM EDT 0 recs
I liked the comments from the rockies announcer:
“Do’t be fooled by Francis’ 0-3 record”...
Yeah, cuz he got lucky and got loss #4 (and pujols HR #1) rained out.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 7, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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Not quite
Although on gameday it looks like he missed a meatball
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by Mr Redbird on
May 7, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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Excellent start
Get the first two guys on for the Mang, and first base is occupied
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
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by Mr Redbird on May 7, 2008 8:41 PM EDT 0 recs
2 hard hit balls
right at defenders. But we do have a run
by thewizard3 on May 7, 2008 8:45 PM EDT 0 recs
imagine the vitriol
if duncan had caught a ball like Holliday just did…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 8:45 PM EDT 0 recs
the fact that he got an out is immaterial.
It’s that the catch was “ugly.”
:)
by tom s. on
May 7, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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a league average outfielder
would have thrown barton out, or something…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 7, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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lost in my sarcasm
is that Barton did a great job of tagging up on that and getting home. great hustle and heads up play, though i imagine he had oquendo whispering in his ear the whole time…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 7, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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still, perhaps the rockies should consider trading him for a washed up reliever and a backup catcher,
if he’s going to look like that when he catches balls.
by tom s. on
May 7, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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Chris Duncan wouldn't have caught it
so this point is moot.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 7, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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ouch
7 homers against the scrubs today. wow.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:45 PM EDT 0 recs
Hate to be a noob...
But who are the “scrubs?”
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on
May 7, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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the cubs
Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.
by KerouacCardinal on
May 7, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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am I missing something
why would they intentionally walk glaus?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 8:48 PM EDT 0 recs
they were going
for the leftie leftie. it didn’t work out too well.
Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.
by KerouacCardinal on
May 7, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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playing the lefty-lefty matchup?
that’s all i got…
by RedbirdAvenger on
May 7, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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because the base is open
and apparently nobody watched ankiel last night.
by tom s. on
May 7, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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time to call up B Anderson!
Get a backup with some pop.
by gocards62 on
May 7, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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larue's like, why waste time?
we know this AB will be a waste anyway.
by RedbirdAvenger on May 7, 2008 8:50 PM EDT 0 recs
i was wondering: why walk glaus and pitch to ank, when you could walk them both and pitch to la rue?
by tom s. on
May 7, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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still love
the stache
Life's a river, kid, you gotta go where it takes you.
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