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2008 Draft Preview- Moving, Shaking, and Updating

Morning, folks.  I don't really know what to say about the game last night.  Rick made two of the greatest throws you'll ever witness in your life, Looper was great, Tony probably should have told him to hit the showers after the eighth, rather than sending him back out there, and Ryan Franklin scares the living hell out of me. 

Okay.  That about covers it.  I haven't been keeping up with my draft writing, (some of you may have minded, others, not so much) so I wanted to put up a little bit of an update on how some of the chips are beginning to fall.  We're just about a month out from the draft, and we can look now and see pretty well how things are shaping up.  So, without further ado: 

Gordon Beckham has been the story of the college season.  He's pretty much a shoo in for Player of the Year honours, and now has no chance of falling anywhere near the Cardinals' drafting position.  Some have projected him as going as high as the Royals at #3, but it would surprise me a bit if Kansas City took him.  I think the Royals will be hard pressed to pass over Aaron Crow.  He's an in state product, and despite his recent struggles, he's still shown exactly how dominant he can be at times this year.  Beckham could go anywhere between 4 and 8, though.  He makes sense anywhere in there. 

Pedro Alvarez, the #1 talent coming into the season, suffered a broken hand early in the year, and looked to possibly be losing some money as a result.  It doesn't appear, however, that that's really the case, as he's still looked at as being a top 3 sort of pick.  He's been solid but not great this season, with less power than in the past, but that's to be expected with the type of injury he sustained. 

Probably the biggest surprises to this point has been the fall off of two top high school prospects.  Two of the three players I wrote about as "home run" picks, have really struggled and seen their stocks fall. 

Tim Melville, the right handed pitcher from Wentzville, has had a rough spring, although he's turned it around a bit lately.  He has been very inconsistent, with his velocity fluctuating significantly, at times dipping down into the mid 80s, whereas he had previously been solidly in the low 90s, and reaching even higher.  The velocity has come back a bit recently, and personally, I'm not shocked at a high school senior having difficulty finding consistent mechanics and feel.  There's a good chance he's around at 13 now, and I would still like to see the Cards take a chance on him. 

The other player that's fallen off, and much more dramatically, is Harold Martinez, the high school shortstop out of Miami.  He's been absolutely brutal this spring, and has fallen almost completely out of consideration as a first round pick.  He still has the picture perfect swing that made him such a well thought of prospect in the first place, but has looked at times this season as if he's only trying to make a perfect swing, rather than trying to actually hit a ball.  Most pundits now think his stock has fallen so far he's almost guaranteed to got to Miami U. and try to build his stock in college.  I must say, though, that if he were sitting around in the, say third or even maybe second round, I would be sorely tempted to take the kid and buy him out of his college commitment.  No later than the third, because you want to use a protected pick, in case he doesn't sign, but I can think of much worse risks.  He still profiles as a dynamic third baseman down the line, and you very well might be able to pick him up with a value pick now, rather than where he was originally slated to go. 

Among high schoolers who are climbing, rather than falling, two names really stand out: Kyle Skipworth and Casey Kelly.  Skipworth is a left handed hitting, legitimately five tool catcher from California.  He entered the season as one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft, and has really solidified that standing this year.  He's being projected to go in the top 7-8 picks, and there have been murmurs of him going really, really high, like top three.  Kelly is probably the second best prep shortstop in the draft this year, behind Tim Beckham.  There are still some questions about Kelly's bat, specifically his ability to make consistent contact, but the tools are very real.  He's a polished, above average defender, and has at least average, and maybe better, raw power.  The Reds, a team known for taking high schoolers in the draft, appear to be a pretty solid destination for Kelly at #7, although it's still tough to say Kelly has risen that high, given that he came in as a late first round/ supplemental guy. 

The biggest riser of all has been Buster Posey, the catcher out of Florida State.  Posey, you may recall, is the player who was previously a shortstop and converted to catcher during the 2007 season.  He's had a monster year, and has improved in all facets of his game, to the point that it's actually possible the Rays may take him #1 overall.  They're certainly considering it, and he would be a pretty decent fit there, as catcher is one of the very few positions that the Rays' farm system isn't very well stocked. 

One of the guys I really liked for the Cardinals in the supplemental round, Zach Putnam, RHP University of Michigan, has improved his stock nicely this spring.  He's shown the same good velocity and plus sink on his fastball that he's always had, but his splitter has improved all out of measure, becoming a truly dominant out pitch.  He may still be a reach at 13, but definitely not as much as he previously was.  The more I look at what he's accomplished this season, the more I like Putnam.  With his improved splitter, he now has two plus pitches and a third that grades about solid average, in his slider.  He had a very good repertoire before, and it's only gotten better.  Again, I don't know if he would be a good value at 13, and I'm always hoping for more of a home run, usually high school, pick, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear the Cards call his name in June. 

Another pitcher I like, Tanner Scheppers, RHP Fresno State, has also moved up the draft boards this year.  He now looks as if he'll most likely go before 13, possibly to Oakland or Texas.  Scheppers has shown good command of his power repertoire this season, while other, similar pitchers, such as Shooter Hunt and Ryan Perry, have struggled significantly to find the plate.  Scheppers is now seen as being probably about the third or fourth best overall pitcher on the board, after guys like Crow and Matusz. 

A couple of other risers:

Jemile Weeks, 2b, Miami- Back when I covered college position players, I thought Weeks was a back end of the first round/ supplemental guy.  He's improved his standing a bit, to where he'll probably go in the 17-21 range.  I'm not sure if he's still a reach at 13; probably a little bit.  Still, he plays a premium position on the defensive spectrum, and he would move very quickly.  The Cards could do worse than to try and fill their hole at second long term with Rickie's younger brother. 

Christian Friedrich, LHP, Eastern Kentucky U- Friedrich's tough to get a handle on; he came into the year looking as if he could go anywhere from 10 to 25, and there's still a ton of debate on the kid.  Teams really like the strikeouts, and he isn't walking a ton this year, but he still doesn't have great velocity, and he has been a bit inconsistent this season.  However, very few pitchers are performing very well at the moment, and Friedrich is, so you almost have to think his stock is rising, just due to the fact that he's pitching better than most others right now.  I think he might be a nice fit for Oakland at 12, but I still can't really tell where he's going to go. 

Aaron Shafer, RHP, Wichita State- Shafer has pitched very well this season, particularly of late, and he has some of the best stuff in the draft.  He still scares the hell out of me, though.  Why, you ask?  Shafer's delivery has always been described as 'clean', and 'effortless', and yet he's had a tough time staying healthy.  Guys with that profile worry me; I tend to think there's an injury just around every corner.  I will say, though, that Shafer does have big time stuff, and the best name in the draft. 

Overall, most of the big risers this year have been collegians, while a lot of the prepsters have fallen off.  Actually, it's tough to say the big risers, because this has been kind of an odd year.  There have been a couple of truly outstanding performances, (see Beckham, Gordon and Posey,) but it's mostly been a few players performing decently, while a whole bunch of others have played themselves back into the middle of the pack. 

For whatever it may be worth, here are few players I'd like to see the Cards target: 

Tim Melville- I still think he's a huge talent.  He's neither the first, nor the last, 18 year old to struggle with his physicality and the stress of a draft hanging over his head. 

Zach Putnam- He certainly fits the bill, and I think he's better than he got credit for. 

Jemile Weeks- Locking up second base for awhile doesn't sound too bad...

Ryan Perry- Perry, a RHP from Arizona State, I believe, has huge stuff, but has had a tough time finding the plate this year.  If he falls, he could be a great value pick in the second round. 

Harold Martinez- He's been awful, but could be a steal in the third round.  I don't think talent just evaporates.  Again, not the first high school senior to struggle going into the draft. 

Kyle Skipworth- if he falls, which he won't, he's too unique a talent to ever pass up, no matter how deep you are at catcher.  He won't fall, though. 

Aaron Hicks- The two way star from high school in Florida, Hicks is definitely raw, but has freakish, Jose Reyes like tools.  Awfully tempting. 

Crap.  I've got to go.  sorry to just cut off like this, but I really should have been done with this quite a while ago.  I do love listening to myself ramble, though. 

G'bye.

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The defense played really well last nigh. Continues to impress me after last year. I not much to say about Ankiels arm. Was at the game last night – incredible throws… the distance, on a line, right on target. Glaus was standing on the base without a care in the world – knowing that he hardly had to move to make the tag. Amazing plays….

by cdb on May 7, 2008 11:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love this team!!

Just wanted to say what a pleasure it is to follow this edition of the team. The young talent on display with Skip, Barton, Ludwick, McClellen, and, especially, Ankiel makes them damn fun to watch. The games have been fantastic—very close with lots of lead changes. And despite the closeness, the team still wins a lot!

Altogether this is a team that entertains. What fun!

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on May 7, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lesson

avoid big ten players like the plague. that conference sucks for baseball.

(cough, mark mulder, cough.)

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on May 7, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my comment about mulder

was somewhat sarcastic. i am aware he was highly successful – as was robin roberts, another msu alum. however, the fact does remain that in recent yearsthe big ten has struggled to compete at the level of the other big-school conferences (and a few smaller ones). i’d take the competition factor into account when scouting and considering a pitcher from that conference.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on May 7, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mulder

felt fatigue in his sholder after Monday’s start. Got appointment with Dr. Paletta tomorow. Not good sign.

by ridgesee on May 7, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't defame MSU based on Mark Mulder

Think of Steve Garvey or Kirk Gibson please.

Also, don’t let Mark Mulder ruin your impression of South Holland, IL

by enoscountry on May 7, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

comparison

eh, i never really liked izzo much. :P

either way, those three (and robin roberts) are far better than the list of major league purdue alums… bob friend and moose skowron are about all there was of note.

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on May 7, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the draft info.....

Few thoughts:

- It is going to be TOUGH to move Rick out of CF, even when Rasmus is ready. Rick has become a darn good CF, and he seems to see the ball much better there than he did in RF last year. Two of the better OF assists I’ve ever seen. To throw the ball that far, on a line, ON TARGET…..crazy.

- As far as the draft, taking SP’s with control problems scares the crap out of me. I know that is one of the more “correctible” issues a SP can have (can’t always teach velocity, etc), but it seems that we’ve had our share of “busts” due to this in recent years. Surely with the 13th pick we can land a pretty darn good player. I don’t know who (don’t follow it that closely), but we need to grab someone that will contribute, not flame out.

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

about The Natural….

Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.

by TurdFerguson on May 7, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Center Field

I was actually thinking about this last night (after gawking for about a half an hour and explaining to my girlfriend, who thinks baseball players are cute in their “outfits,” the significance of what we just saw).

I really don’t see how you can move Rick out of center field, unless Colby just covers much more ground than Rick, and I don’t know if that’s possible. I know this sounds homerish, but Rick might be the best defensive centerfielder in the game right now. (If someone has RZR stats disproving or proving this please share) Off the top of my head, I can’t think of anyone who has the combination of range / arm that Ankiel does. I know its nice to have a big arm in right field, but why mess with something thats going so well? Either way, its a nice problem to have, I suppose.

by Ray Lankford on May 7, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colby's arm is almost as good as Ankiel's

An OF of Luddy/Schu, Ankiel, Rasmus would be pretty darn good, regardless of who is in CF.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A nice problem to have

after last season, when we had little or no spark from the OF.

Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.

by TurdFerguson on May 7, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not so sure...

Watching Colby last year in Springfield I remember seeing him throw to third or home and thinking he has a pretty good arm but to say it is almost as good as Rick is, i think, stretching it…Colby will by no means hurt you with it but Ank’s could be a once in a generation arm, although a young Vlad and Ichiro might have something to say about that.

"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on May 7, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your girlfriend

is right though – baseball players ARE cute in their “outfits”.

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look closely at her words...

she said BASEBALL PLAYERS are cute in their “outfits”. If you are a baseball player, then more power to you.

Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on May 7, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm only about 5'10

I’ll just say go to a bar dressed up in a cardinals uniform and say i’m aaron miles. Girls like Grit, right???

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is this girl

that comes and sees my band who I refer to as Aaron Miles

If you are in St. Louis check out my band, Griffin and the Gargoyles
(formerly Gargoyle Reign, Gargoyle Lounge)

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

:-D

by jealousblues on May 7, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a student at SLU during the 1982 WS,

and I knew a guy in my class who went to bars (when the Brewers were in town) telling people he was Paul Molitor. This guy was little older than the typical student, so for anyone who didn’t know what Molitor looked like, he was close enough to pull it off. I have it on pretty good authority he did quite well with the ladies.

by MdRedbirdFreak on May 7, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do your homework...

in order for this approach to work, make sure you know something about the player you are pretending to be. i had a guy hit on me once by saying he was shane battier (back when he was playing at duke). obviously i knew he wasn’t battier, but i played along until he showed me his driver’s license (covering up the name of course) and it was from maryland. he couldn’t explain why “shane battier” would have a maryland DL if he played for Duke in NC and his family is from Michigan. :)

by launchshuttle on May 7, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

surely after that you didn’t let him launch his shuttle.

by ridgesee on May 7, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ridgesee!

You, naughty man, you!

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never know,

it might work. Added bonus, the kind of girl who would think you were cute in your “oufit” would probably watch games with you.

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

make sure they hit the batting cage first. Or maybe just get a grass stain or two. They can say they play in a rec league.

by spants on May 7, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could go for that

But it’d be tough to explain why the rest of the buddies are dressed normally. But going with that we’d have to go with the Barton/AnkielThePitcher/FlatBill stirrups too. That’d be tricky as well. This is definitely happening. If anyone could still uhhhh….make it happen….despite looking like an idiot that’d be damn impressive.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 7, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not tough to explain at all.

He met up with you after the game for a few celebratory/drown-yer-sorrow brews.

by spants on May 7, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rick is...

2nd in MLB in RZR, just behind Carlos Gomez. Young, Bourn, and Sizemore round out the top 5.

by mikedallas45 on May 7, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

looking at the OOZ plays too

I’d rank them Young, Ankiel, Gomez.

So Ankiel is at least a top 5 MLB CF and possibly the top. As always, more data would help to clarify and cement the stats.

by azruavatar on May 7, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel

could still be a pitcher if they put the pitcher’s mound in center field. It was just too close for his arm…

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see the pitch F/x on his curveball from 250 feet

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 7, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao

that was funny,I would be curious to see some slow-mo of rick throwing from center and the track of the ball

by from First to Third on May 7, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR/Looper criticism

I figured I’d see some here. Thing is, Tony said before the game that the only relievers available were Franklin and possibly Parisi. He said that win or lose, Loop was going to throw 100 pitches. May as well go 115 if he has the chance for the CG.

Franklin scares me as well…talk about regressing to the mean. If he cannot keep the ball down and/or throw the slider for strikes, he is going to get rocked.

by silent_bob on May 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Franklinstein

When Franklin was announced, my wife, a Rockies fan, beamed with hope…...

by cdb on May 7, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR knows more than us,

obviously, but I would have thought McClellan would be as well, since he only had one inning in the last 3 games.

Hope Lil Mac’s arm is ok…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LaRussa pregame

In interview with Shannon, he said McClellan was available but I got the sense he preferred not to use him. No hints that anything was wrong with his arm.

by Youneverknow on May 7, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think K-mac is fine

He threw 28 pitches on Sunday. Im pretty sure he just wanted to give him two days and wanting to keep him as fresh as possiable before going against the Brewers.

by Evilfrog on May 7, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only 73 more wins to go...

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 7, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

since we're being optimistic

only 78!

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact of the Day

Thanks Red Baron for the look at the future…...now about the past,

Fact: 10 games above .500 (anytime during the season) + Cards + LaRussa = post season.

Joe Torre in 1993 got 10 games+ above .500 but finished third.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on May 7, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.....

If my math is right, .500 ball from this point on will still get us 86 wins. Not bad.

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's some fact

I find it hard to believe. It’s not as if 10 games over .500 is that significant. You’d have thought some of his teams might have gotten there and missed the postseason. On the other hand, since so many of his teams have indeed made the postseason, it must be feast or famine.

10 games over .500 this early is a genuine achievement.

Where do I order my playoff tickets?

by Youneverknow on May 7, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 things I must comment on not related to the draft.
  • Kudos for Rocky fans giving Ankiel the standing ovation when he came up for his last at bat. It’s good to see other Fans show appreciation to opposing players when they have a great day.
  • Yesturday I commented about Piniero staring down Duncan when he was pulled out of the game on Monday. In the preview show they mention someone asked Piniero about it. He said he was not glaring at Duncan. Instead he was glaring at the scoreboard in left field.

by Evilfrog on May 7, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good to hear

Denver fans still know some ball despite purple dinosaurs. Back in the day, Bear fans were among the best in the Am. Assoc. And BTW, if you think Coors has “unusual” qualities, watching a game at Mile High was a real trip. The outfield was absolutely humongous.

by random on May 7, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

he said something to the effect of “Yeah, I was staring at the scoreboard to see how badly id done…”

I dont buy it at all, but at least he is saying all the right things.
translation: yeah, I was probably staring at Dunc, but in retrospect I wasnt doing much to help matters and I probably shouldnt have done it.

I wonder if he had a talking to or not?

Am I the only one that doesnt believe the explaination

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by jealousblues on May 7, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt

he was hit hard, irregardless of what dunc has done, no fret on my end

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

11:18 AM EST

Catching up on some ZZZZZZ’s Baron? That’s three demerits for tardiness.

Funny this is your topic today because I just got done reading this. I’m all for Jemile Weeks, seems like less of a risk of a bust. With a brother in the majors he’ll know what to expect and he’s coming out of a good program.

OK, on second thought it’s only two demerits because it was a good post, but don’t let it happen again.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on May 7, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

plus, imagine the rivalry

having big brother in the same division, playing 18 games a year against him?

i can see it driving little brother to greatness.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Jemile Weeks supporter also

a middle infield of Kozma + Weeks in 3 or so years would be pretty damn nice.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis, Baron!

I’m beginning to wonder if the MLB Draft is a little less of a “crapshoot” these days, what with statistical analysis supplementing “live” scouting. Heck, even I can spot a high-school kid with a “loop” in his swing, and I’m certainly NOT as experienced at it as actual scouts are! There’s a vast difference between broadcasting baseball (as I have at the major-college, high school, and American Legion levels) and having played/coached the game in the professional ranks…

Predicting the athletic future of a high school senior in baseball has to be one of the “iffiest” assignments possible; 18-year-old hockey players have generally been “away from home” playing junior hockey by the time they’re eligible for the NHL draft, while the NBA and NFL draft players with at least one year “away from home” in college. How’s the kid going to handle being away from Mom and Dad, much less deal with the failure that is inherent in facing other ballplayers who are just as good as you, if not better!

Listened to most of last night’s game on my drive back home (Jonesboro, Ark.) from Lonoke; Mike and John obviously enjoy each other’s company, making for an enjoyable night of baseball on the radio!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on May 7, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I missed

Ankiel’s 2nd throw (trip to kitchen) but his 1st throw was almost unbelievable. I can’t recall a stronger one. In fact I can’t recall a stronger throwing outfielder than Ankiel.

by ridgesee on May 7, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

The second one was amazing.

by Evilfrog on May 7, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the first better

Glaus – I don’t think he had to MOVE HIS GLOVE from the point where the ball was caught to place the tag. The ball was almost literally caught on the runners shoe strings. The second throw as a little high – glaus had to get a tag down really quickly….

by cdb on May 7, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I guess I’m easily impressed by the missle he threw from the deepest part of the park directly on line to third base. Totally right though—it woud’ve hit Glaus in the sternum, which is obviously too high. Maybe LaRussa should use the Tom Emansky method: put a trashcan on its side and let the fielders throw the ball into it. On the other hand, that was the greatest fucking throw I’ve ever seen and I’m not going to quibble about a ball that was dead on line but made the third baseman snap the tag an extra two feet.

Just messing with you.

by Ray Lankford on May 7, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I just watched the replay—you are right. The ball was high. My bad on that.

by Ray Lankford on May 7, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUT

Both of them were freakin’ ridiculous…but the thing that impresses me most about the 2nd throw is that he had to run to the track, pick up the ball, whirl and throw from further away. And it was still right to Glaus who didn’t have to move an inch, just a little higher.

The perfect first throw was slightly more straightforward since he had time to set up before catching the fly out, and the ball was right at the damn BASE! Amazing.

But to grab the ball off the track and then fire it on a line to 3rd from almost 300 feet away…that’s the most amazing f’ing throw I’ve ever seen.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on May 7, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Agreed. 1st one was great, 2nd one was unbelievable.

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially when considering

he was next to the fence in center field on the second one. simply astounding. although the first one was nearly as impressive considering the runner just had to run from 2nd to 3rd and the jaw-dropping accuracy of the throw

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that the runner was Tavarez

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 7, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morganesque

You better take that back, Valatan. Joe Morgan alway pronounces Taveras’ name “Tavarez”.

I wouldn’t want for your brain to stay warped like that. (jk)

That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.

by Solanus on May 7, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best Cardinal arm I can recall seeing

was Mark Whiten. But after last night, I may be revising my list :-)

by random on May 7, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can think of a few...

Roberto Clemente, Bo Jackson (Although he didn’t know where it was going half the time), Vlad Guerrero, and Jay Buhner right off the top of my head. Jeff Francoeur also has a cannon…

Ankiel is right up there though—I agree that the second throw was incredible, but the first one sticks in my mind, because Taveras is one of the fastest players in baseball…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 7, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Quintanilla wasn’t exactly slouching around the bases. He was hauling ass. Who knows which of them is faster? The announcers certainly don’t. But you’re correct that Taveras has that reputation. Still, Ank was further away on the second throw. It’s that much more impressive.

by spants on May 7, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think someone mentioned this last night but...

the best part of both throws was the reaction of the runners after the were tagged…PRICELESS!

"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on May 7, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

it was a “What the f&%* just happened?” look. They got Rick Rolled.

by spants on May 7, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i imagine ankiel singing to them after the tag...

you’re no stranger to glove…
you know the rules, and so do i

by mattybobo on May 7, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this

should be the official name for when ever Rick gets an assist.

They can even play the song.

If you are in St. Louis check out my band, Griffin and the Gargoyles
(formerly Gargoyle Reign, Gargoyle Lounge)

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

:-D

by jealousblues on May 7, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bo Jackson

I live in Kansas City, and was telling the guys at work this morning about Ankiels throw. They recounted to me the time that Bo Jackson threw out a guy from the warning track on a sacrifice fly. The runner tagged, took off from third, the throw came in the air and they said it wasn’t even close. This was back when the walls were 10ft farther back at Kauffman stadium.

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they were embellishing...

Courtesy of wikipedia:

On June 5, 1989, Jackson ran down a long line-drive deep to left field on a hit-and-run play against the Seattle Mariners. With speedy Harold Reynolds running from first base on the play, Scott Bradley’s hit would have been deep enough to score him against most outfielders. But Jackson, from the warning track, turned flat footed and fired a strike to catcher Bob Boone, who tagged the sliding Reynolds out. Jackson’s throw reached Boone on the fly. Interviewed for the “Bo Jackson” episode of ESPN Classic’s SportsCentury, Reynolds admitted that he thought there was no way anyone would throw him out on such a deep drive into the gap in left-center, and was shocked to see his teammate telling him to slide as he rounded third base.”

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm disappointed that only 1 is available to see

on the Cards’ website. The Glaus one. I saw the other one on Baseball Tonight. It looked like Ankiel was just standing (not taking 2 or 3 steps into the throw) on the warning track . That’s just nutz.

by sdrone on May 7, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are both up

on the main page, click on the “ankiel shows off his arm”. They have them back to back in one video.

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try this

link. It has both plays.

by DCGreg on May 7, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Know what's funny about the first one?

look at who is on 1B, he was the guy who Rick threw out later in the game. He had a first hand look at Ricks arm early in the game and decided to test it late in the game

by ICbirdfan on May 7, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any more info on Melville?

I am concerned about him. Any pitcher worth taking 13th overall should be more dominant in HS. Despite the recent success of some Missouri prospects, our HS baseball is not very good. Do you have any information on how he did last summer facing stiffer competition? How good is his off-speed stuff? His velocity really hasn’t increased much the last couple of years, if at all.

Don’t get me wrong, I love drafting high-ceiling HS pitchers early. I am just not convinced how high his ceiling is.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on May 7, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh...
Tim Melville- I still think he’s a huge talent. He’s neither the first, nor the last, 18 year old to struggle with his physicality and the stress of a draft hanging over his head.

Guys who get “draftitis” tend to be pretty weak mentally. I haven’t seen him, so this is said with an entire mine worth of salt grains, I only know his Baseball America quick-hit scouting report, but say he can’t handle the pressure of the draft, can he handle the pressure of October?

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 7, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how do you do the red outline?

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

turn () to <>

and

(blockquote)
Hey! Look at me!
(/blockquote)

becomes


Hey! Look at me!

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 7, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(blockquote)
Hey! Look at me!
(/blockquote)

Just like that. thanks for your help!

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Highlight

what you want to quote, copy and paste, then click on the “quote” icon above. Example:

how do you do the red outline?

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on May 7, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buster Posey

Too bad there’s no way Buster will be around when the Cardinals draft .

As of May 5, his BA was .464; OBP .562; SLG .827 – 14 HR in 179 AB, against a relatively strong college schedule, mostly playing catcher (1 start at 2B, six appearances as a closer).
Pitching, he has 5 saves in 6 appearances with BA against of .150 and a small sample K/BB ratio of 6 to 1.

by madridbend on May 7, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

goodness

4 home runs in one inning…

None by griffey though. sigh.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know,

it might be. The Cubs just got their first hit of the day in the third and it was a single by Theriot. Only three other baserunners for the Cubs, all courtesy of walks.

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They seemed legit

I started watching at the beginning of that inning and from what I can tell the wind isn’t really blowing out too bad. The three from the left side were killed. All three pitches from Lieber were over the heart of the plate.

by fnldwn on May 7, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was this Hill's day to start?

Is that why Lieber was starting?

If so, this is just awesome. Shame the Reds have Corey Patterson in the lineup, though. he’s accounted for 30% of their outs in the game so far…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs have had

a tough time with this spot in their rotation lately. Two innings for Lieber today and 2/3 of an inning for Hill last Friday.

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

back-to-back solo jacks

by Phillips, Votto
7-0 Reds, bottom 5

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on May 7, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And now a homer from BPhillips!

And a second homer from Votto! Wow, just wow! That is his fourth homer of the year against the Cubs

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice to see a Cubs killer

within our division ;)

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

another fun fact about Ankiel's game last night

his solo HR was the difference maker in the game, preventing it from going into extra innings

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 7, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Votto with the hat trick

he stayed in a Holiday Inn last night, ate his Wheaties and drank his V8 all on the same day….or something….jeez.

....or maybe it’s just the Cubs being the Cubs….either way 9-0 Reds. BCB ought to be in full meltdown mode…..Piniella’s postgame detonation will be picked up by NASA….

by nota bene on May 7, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and it's all Piniella's fault

for overreacting last week and sending Rich Hill to the minors. That makes it even more priceless.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rich hill did have........

19 innings pitched
13 hits
18 BB
15 SO

He was pretty awful, and Lou is not patient at this point as the Cubs are in a win now mode

by ICbirdfan on May 7, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, as a cardinal fan

I fully applaud the move ;)

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damned if you do, damned if you don't

I’d stick with Lieber, personally….he’s not going to get clobbered like that all the time. Hill, I dunno….

With all of that free agent $$$ they had to play with, you’d think they could come up with a better starting rotation….Zambrano’s got to feel a little lonely at this point…..

by nota bene on May 7, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The more and more

I read someone saying “the cardinals will come to earth soon, can’t hold their pace, etc.” the more I feel as if it’s Cubs 100year denial.

The fact of the matter is that we always are a threat within this division, we have depth in key spots that can bring in a big name should we need it, and if you spot us 10 games over .500 with Tony and co, we’re going to make you rethink some things.

Cubsland doesn’t get any easier the next week with Az and Sd coming around.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Diego is tied for the worst record in baseball

I know that’s not representative of their talent level, especially in their rotation, but just thought I’d point that out :P

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
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by Mr Redbird on May 7, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

but its still a solid pitching lineup they’ll be facing the next week. Hopefully SD bats can help some:P

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe I was too high on Hill?

and am reading too much into his 119 ERA+ last season, in his first full season as a starter. I thought he would improve on that this year.

I wonder if he’s hurt? He threw an awful lot of innings last year, and that could explain why the Roberts trade didn’t get done, from baltimore’s end. Even with 100 minor league innings in ‘06, his jump from 99IP to 195IP ‘06 to ‘07 makes him a Verducci rule candidate.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knew he'd come back to earth a bit

but the boy had been getting ROCKED.

He has a future, and they want him to get regular work as a starter, not work out of the bullpen. Think Reyes, but this guy has had more than the occasional good game in the majors.

by sdrone on May 7, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.....I thought that too. Hill was slow to settle into the majors, and he had a terrific

year last year. He has lacked control since spring began and I wonder too if he is hurt. He did have a huge innings jump last year, well, if he falls off a bit, and he has, it could be from that. Mr. Hendry, if you want to send him over, I’d take a chance on him. He may not be as good as he was last year, but I don’t think he’s as bad as he’s looked this year either…..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 7, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Dusty

Trotting out your rookie pitcher for one more inning so he can get 110 pitches in a 9-0 game.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 7, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

I guess when a young pitcher is throwing well and looking strong, running up pitch counts is fine.

Why in god’s name would you let a 24 year old throw 118 pitches in a 9-0 game? There’s no point, no purpose. The game is in hand the only thing you are doing is risking injury. Dusty is a fucking idiot.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 7, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not know what his count was at?

If you want him to throw 7 innings you better have someone up if he shows anysign of getting weak. I just think that in the right case it is ok to streatch an arm out.

I don’t think Dusty is a genius but at the same time Prior was going to break down no matter who the manager was as his mechanics were crap. Same with Wood.

by ICbirdfan on May 7, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so what you're saying is

a pitcher’s ability to consistently go deep in games and remain competitive above that magic 100 pitch threshhold is based on their mechanics?

by nota bene on May 7, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am no expert at all......The human body is amazing and each one is different.

I don’t know if there is a magic number or not. It just seems like some people think there is a magic number and they don’t even know that pitchers body.

Some guys can just throw a lot for various reasons and some can not. I do not like to really discuss the whole pitch count thing and what not as I am not privy to a lot of necessary info.

that is all I have

by ICbirdfan on May 7, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was discussed to death

here a week ago. If the kid says “I’m tired” sit him. If he says “man, I feel so refreshed. I’m not even sweating” it’s probably ok to let him pitch a bit.

by sdrone on May 7, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a 1.09 ERA for Volquez now, I really can't decide who is going to end up winning that trade

Hamilton has 36 RBI’s and is just destroying the baseball for the Rangers, but Volquez is having a CY Young Caliber season so far.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why can't they both win?

Isn’t the definition of a “winning” trade that you got more production out of what you have now, than what you had then? This of course is different in the case of prospects, etc.

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know who lost

and it’s Volzquez – having to have Dusty as a manager and ruining your career.

by birdo rojo on May 7, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game in hand

And he still have him throw 120+ pitches.

by gonzostl on May 7, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as terrible as the rangers' pitching staff is

it’s hard for me to think they can actual “win” this trade if volquez ends up being a remotely decent pitcher (i mean, they did sign sidney ponson??). i don’t care how great josh hamilton ends up being.

by launchshuttle on May 7, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the weatther like in Colorado tonight?

Rain in the forecast like every where else?

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 7, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

weather.com says

30% chance of isolated thunderstorms.

by thisgirllovesbaseball on May 7, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BREAKING NEWS

Mulder has a “mild strain” in his surgically repaired rotator cuff, and will not pitch again for at least another week, according to Joe Strauss.

by Red in Chicago on May 7, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what's the rules on that?

if he goes on the DL does his rehab time start over? so we have dl + 30 days of rehab before we have the mulder question coming?

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he really is healthy...

Then he’s retired, as I doubt anyone would want him on their team with his current stuff.

by redbird2006 on May 7, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he should retire

can we get Matty Mo to do some sort of intervention? I mean, really, Mulder was a great pitcher for several years and his body just isn’t up to it now. He should be giving a little thought to life after baseball….

by nota bene on May 7, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it's a fake

Paletta examined him this morning in St. Louis. Sounds like he will stay on the D.L. and if he makes it back at all it will be in late June.

Anyone else relieved by this news?

by Red in Chicago on May 7, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

this means we will still need another starting pitcher. The ERAs of Lohse and Piniero aren’t going to stay this low forever and we will need someone to gobble up some innings here soon.

by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wellemeyer/Piniero

one of those two is going to turn into a pumpkin….Lohse seems like the real deal though.

by nota bene on May 7, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am

Don’t fix what isn’t broken. It’ll be 3 weeks (at least) until there’s a clear candidate for replacement. Mulder back next week would have messed things up.

by redbird2006 on May 7, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to say the rotation isn't 'broken'

we are winning games, that is for sure but go back and look at how many bats our pitchers are missing. Not very many over the last few weeks.

Don’t get me wrong, Wainwright belongs no where in this discussion. He is a bonafide MLB pitcher. Lohse is as well, however I’m afraid of what might happen should he return to ‘1 big inning-itis’

I just don’t see how people can so readily dismiss Mark Mulder. He is trying to come back from rotator cuff surgery in less than 6 months. This is a minor setback, in that it is a strain, not a tear. For a guy with a fatigued shoulder, he was still throwing 87-89 mph, something last night starter in Mark Redman would kill to be able to do.

by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

I agree – why throw mulder out now. Unless I am mistake, even if we cut him, his contract for the year is our responsibility. He is paid for already – might as well keep him around and see if he can return on that investment.

by cdb on May 7, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We still have Thompson and Reyes in AAA

One of those two should be ready as an insurance policy if we need them.

by bailorg on May 7, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thompson has a bad elbow

and Reyes is a non-starter in this discussion. Unless 3 starting pitchers hit the DL, we won’t see him again.

by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reds hit 7 homers in 6 innings

If you’re curious, The cardinals have 7 home runs in the last 74 innings..

by redbird2006 on May 7, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dusty ball must be working

hehe

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty

Loves when his bases are not clogged

by Glowsticks on May 7, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs

are not playing good on the road at all this season. They are only winning one game in each of their road series latley. Not the signs of a 1st place team. They are great at Wrigley but so far below average on the road.

by KYCards on May 7, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

74 innings..

6-2, well 7-2 if you go back to the two innings of the previous game.

Homeruns or not, I’ll take a 6-2 record over the past 8.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or

8-2 over the last 10.

by Evilfrog on May 7, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn is being

“Mr. Three-True-Outcomes” today with a home run, 2 Ks and 2 walks.

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Adam Dunn. He is an awesome three true outcomes and he looks like he might eat your child for dinner.

Even though he strikes out a lot, I appreciate his batting eye. He rarely swings at anything that’s not a strike…...

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 7, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone asked in yesterday's game thread

“When was the last time a cardinal OF had two assists in a game”?

Derrick Goold answers that question in his birdland post today. I was surprised by the answer ;)

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call

It’s easy to forget that with Cards fans making baby Dunc some kind of pariah. When all is said and done, the kid does have skills.

"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon

by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 7, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Franklin

18 appearances, 6 runs allowed…..how many inherited runners have scored off of him this year? Seems to me he’s having a pretty good year so far and has just had two or three really bad outings…..

by nota bene on May 7, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keeping it in the family...

Any interest in Chris Long’s brother? Big dude, 6’6” 280; imposing to me and i’m no where near the batter’s box.

by Future Birds-on-Bat on May 7, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

huge

Can a dude that big play anything but first base?... because the position is pretty blocked here for a few more years (hopefully!)

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on May 7, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s a pitcher & 1B, left-handed threw in the low 90s as a high school junior.

by Future Birds-on-Bat on May 7, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luhnow...

said to Miklasz and Karraker yesterday when they asked about Kyle Long that the Cards were ‘looking at him’... basically said the obligatory nice things, and that a lot of people were interested in him, but it had that tinge of ‘not going to happen’ to it.

by RedbirdAvenger on May 7, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Line-ups, per Bernie

Barton
Miles
Pujols
Ludwick
Glaus
Ankiel
LaRue
Wainwright
Izturis

Tavares
Quintanilla
Holliday
Helton
Atkins
Hawpe
Ianetta
Barmes
Francis

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember when TLR said that he was going to give more rest

to APu and he’d sit Glaus 3 out of 5 games if he had to?

Me thinks Tony is loving winning and putting the best team out on the field every night.

by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows?

But I trust TLR’s opinion over yours.

Obviously Glaus isn’t hurting like he was in ST. As for Pujols, does his injury really require “days off”? I don’t know. His elbow isn’t made worse by playing, and doesn’t really get better with rest. Why not play him?

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

his plantar facitis, jammed back and whatever was causing him to limp home yesterday in the first inning do require time off.

But thanks for the backhanded comment.

by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Jammed back? He’ll be fine.

Also, don’t think plantar facitis requires time off, unless the pain gets to be too much. Another “injury” that sitting out doesn’t really improve it.

I just don’t see the point in questioning this EVERY single day. Wait until we go against a righty, or have an afternoon game (tomorrow), or better yet, wait until guys like Ankiel, Glaus, and Duncan get going, so removing Pujols from the lineup wouldn’t creat such a large hole.

JMO.

by SoonerfanTU on May 7, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinals haven't handled injuries particularly well

and in general ‘differ’ to the player to tell them when they are injured. This led to Rolen grinding his shoulder ligaments, Edmonds standing in CF confused and with blurred vision and Eckstein’s limited range becoming even further reduced as he hid his back injury.

That’s just in the last 3 years. It also doesn’t take into account the pitching staff.

Maintenance days off are a good idea when a team’s offense seems so reliant on one player being consistent. I don’t care who the Cardinals are playing. Guys like Pujols and Glaus need days off in June so that they are hopefully still healthy in August.

by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AP will sit tomorrow

and be nice and rested for Friday night in Milwaukee.

by ubeddie on May 7, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I thought he was playing glaus as much as he was due to the injury to Ryan, and a lack of trust in Rico. Apparently, that’s not quite the case.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 7, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Working out of his slump?

I’m not sure of Glaus’ history – but maybe he’s one of those guys that just needs work to get going and can’t get over a slump in the cages???

by birdo rojo on May 7, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you've seen his at bats

if his swing was microseconds slower he’d have a monsterous 6-7 games. He’s so close to getting something going. I’d let him push through for a few games. he’s not pressing, he’s giving excellent defense, and can always give him a day off down the road. no need to ice before he heats up.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about this

“What bothers me the most
is the possibility of falling 3 1/2 games behind the stinkin Cardinals and their butthead fans.”
Quote from a disgruntled fan on Cubs site i read just now. Ahhh what can be sweeter than reading “Cubbies Bleed Blue” after a 9 to zip Cubs loss.

by ridgesee on May 7, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cub fans

are calling us buttheads?!? The nerve!

by cardsgirl95 on May 7, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and let me add,

I’m including myself, before you all go getting all upset and such…....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 7, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How dare ya

I am not butthead, I am beavis. Wait isn’t he the dumber one?

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on May 7, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you ain't no Buthead, Jills

you just get a little “assy” sometimes…...dont we all.

by ridgesee on May 7, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do have a few well known issues......

at work and at home too…...I just pick my battles and everything else I let roll…...

I don’t remember which one was dumber, Beavis, Butthead, you all could pick either one they were both pretty much teenage wasteland…..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 7, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diminutive Bears

I know it’s not nice to indulge in schadenfreude… but it’s the small bears after all.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on May 7, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Breakout Wednesday?

LaRue goes deep tonight…...or am I dreaming?

by Iowa on May 7, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hell, I don't know about you

but i’m hoping for a single, let alone him going deep.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 7, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats Kennedy have to do?

to get playing time. seriously.

I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!

by dangpenguins on May 7, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh...

He started last night against a Lefty, today is a lefty, tomorrow is a lefty….Kennedy is not the one needing playing time that would be Ryan

by StLHugo on May 7, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, not be blocked by Aaron Miles?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 7, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Francis is a little more accomplished

than Redmond. Thats sits Kennedy. RELEASE DUNCAN….... Sign Bond who can pitch hit and platoon in left. Put him on a short leash. Pound in the stake right behind Albert and watch Albert feed….....Bonds’ eating his scraps would turn into a monster. Then destroy the central….support the pitchers…. enjoy October beers. turn him loose on Halloween…...
Mulder will sit out a couple of weeks, try some more AA and then be traded. They won’t pick up his option at 11 million so look for a hitting third baseman in the trade. Everyone is desperate for pitching. Glaus’ inability to make simple adjustments is disturbing. He is mental now, and rich, bad combo…....

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 7, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry guys

I should have put a warning on that one. The Central is falling apart. Our scheduling has been very advantageous. It won’t be so easy soon enough. We almost lost last night to the the worst pitcher I’ve seen in the Bigs…........ some one was talking Adam Dunn. He will never play on a winner. Love it when he hooks it up. If the Cards would pay his salary, the Reds would take Mulder for him right now. He spends all his off time playing Video Games. He is a true Bubba….....Griffey is pretty. He will never get a ring, or even make a play-off team. Seattle will regret signing him….but they will???

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 7, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Someone change the subject. Please. And don’t make eye contact.

"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon

by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 7, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Somebody tell me why Francis is favored over Wainwright tonight…..........in Vegas

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 7, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no way in hell anyone would trade

a decent hitting 3b for Mulder if he continues pitching like that. Hell, not even a decent hitting minor league 3b.

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 7, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melville

Melville had to miss several weeks with some kind of wierd injury…I think he got hit in the eye or something in and couldn’t do anything for several weeks. I’d say there is a decent chance that has something to do with his velo drop. I wouldn’t be worried. Oh, and being nervous about your draft status (if that’s what it is) as a freaking 18 year old isn’t anything to worry about in a kid if you ask me. When I was that age I was worried about who I was going to take to prom and whether or not she might be desperate enough to make out with my ugly mug later.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 7, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He has the kind of arm that you just don't see on an 18 year old.

They have been using him in the field as well….he’s hitting something like .465. And he’s been drawing attention since he was about 14, I really don’t think he’d go all freak out on everyone right now…..I would take a good hard look before I said no.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 7, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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