2008 Draft Preview- Moving, Shaking, and Updating
Morning, folks. I don't really know what to say about the game last night. Rick made two of the greatest throws you'll ever witness in your life, Looper was great, Tony probably should have told him to hit the showers after the eighth, rather than sending him back out there, and Ryan Franklin scares the living hell out of me.
Okay. That about covers it. I haven't been keeping up with my draft writing, (some of you may have minded, others, not so much) so I wanted to put up a little bit of an update on how some of the chips are beginning to fall. We're just about a month out from the draft, and we can look now and see pretty well how things are shaping up. So, without further ado:
Gordon Beckham has been the story of the college season. He's pretty much a shoo in for Player of the Year honours, and now has no chance of falling anywhere near the Cardinals' drafting position. Some have projected him as going as high as the Royals at #3, but it would surprise me a bit if Kansas City took him. I think the Royals will be hard pressed to pass over Aaron Crow. He's an in state product, and despite his recent struggles, he's still shown exactly how dominant he can be at times this year. Beckham could go anywhere between 4 and 8, though. He makes sense anywhere in there.
Pedro Alvarez, the #1 talent coming into the season, suffered a broken hand early in the year, and looked to possibly be losing some money as a result. It doesn't appear, however, that that's really the case, as he's still looked at as being a top 3 sort of pick. He's been solid but not great this season, with less power than in the past, but that's to be expected with the type of injury he sustained.
Probably the biggest surprises to this point has been the fall off of two top high school prospects. Two of the three players I wrote about as "home run" picks, have really struggled and seen their stocks fall.
Tim Melville, the right handed pitcher from Wentzville, has had a rough spring, although he's turned it around a bit lately. He has been very inconsistent, with his velocity fluctuating significantly, at times dipping down into the mid 80s, whereas he had previously been solidly in the low 90s, and reaching even higher. The velocity has come back a bit recently, and personally, I'm not shocked at a high school senior having difficulty finding consistent mechanics and feel. There's a good chance he's around at 13 now, and I would still like to see the Cards take a chance on him.
The other player that's fallen off, and much more dramatically, is Harold Martinez, the high school shortstop out of Miami. He's been absolutely brutal this spring, and has fallen almost completely out of consideration as a first round pick. He still has the picture perfect swing that made him such a well thought of prospect in the first place, but has looked at times this season as if he's only trying to make a perfect swing, rather than trying to actually hit a ball. Most pundits now think his stock has fallen so far he's almost guaranteed to got to Miami U. and try to build his stock in college. I must say, though, that if he were sitting around in the, say third or even maybe second round, I would be sorely tempted to take the kid and buy him out of his college commitment. No later than the third, because you want to use a protected pick, in case he doesn't sign, but I can think of much worse risks. He still profiles as a dynamic third baseman down the line, and you very well might be able to pick him up with a value pick now, rather than where he was originally slated to go.
Among high schoolers who are climbing, rather than falling, two names really stand out: Kyle Skipworth and Casey Kelly. Skipworth is a left handed hitting, legitimately five tool catcher from California. He entered the season as one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft, and has really solidified that standing this year. He's being projected to go in the top 7-8 picks, and there have been murmurs of him going really, really high, like top three. Kelly is probably the second best prep shortstop in the draft this year, behind Tim Beckham. There are still some questions about Kelly's bat, specifically his ability to make consistent contact, but the tools are very real. He's a polished, above average defender, and has at least average, and maybe better, raw power. The Reds, a team known for taking high schoolers in the draft, appear to be a pretty solid destination for Kelly at #7, although it's still tough to say Kelly has risen that high, given that he came in as a late first round/ supplemental guy.
The biggest riser of all has been Buster Posey, the catcher out of Florida State. Posey, you may recall, is the player who was previously a shortstop and converted to catcher during the 2007 season. He's had a monster year, and has improved in all facets of his game, to the point that it's actually possible the Rays may take him #1 overall. They're certainly considering it, and he would be a pretty decent fit there, as catcher is one of the very few positions that the Rays' farm system isn't very well stocked.
One of the guys I really liked for the Cardinals in the supplemental round, Zach Putnam, RHP University of Michigan, has improved his stock nicely this spring. He's shown the same good velocity and plus sink on his fastball that he's always had, but his splitter has improved all out of measure, becoming a truly dominant out pitch. He may still be a reach at 13, but definitely not as much as he previously was. The more I look at what he's accomplished this season, the more I like Putnam. With his improved splitter, he now has two plus pitches and a third that grades about solid average, in his slider. He had a very good repertoire before, and it's only gotten better. Again, I don't know if he would be a good value at 13, and I'm always hoping for more of a home run, usually high school, pick, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear the Cards call his name in June.
Another pitcher I like, Tanner Scheppers, RHP Fresno State, has also moved up the draft boards this year. He now looks as if he'll most likely go before 13, possibly to Oakland or Texas. Scheppers has shown good command of his power repertoire this season, while other, similar pitchers, such as Shooter Hunt and Ryan Perry, have struggled significantly to find the plate. Scheppers is now seen as being probably about the third or fourth best overall pitcher on the board, after guys like Crow and Matusz.
A couple of other risers:
Jemile Weeks, 2b, Miami- Back when I covered college position players, I thought Weeks was a back end of the first round/ supplemental guy. He's improved his standing a bit, to where he'll probably go in the 17-21 range. I'm not sure if he's still a reach at 13; probably a little bit. Still, he plays a premium position on the defensive spectrum, and he would move very quickly. The Cards could do worse than to try and fill their hole at second long term with Rickie's younger brother.
Christian Friedrich, LHP, Eastern Kentucky U- Friedrich's tough to get a handle on; he came into the year looking as if he could go anywhere from 10 to 25, and there's still a ton of debate on the kid. Teams really like the strikeouts, and he isn't walking a ton this year, but he still doesn't have great velocity, and he has been a bit inconsistent this season. However, very few pitchers are performing very well at the moment, and Friedrich is, so you almost have to think his stock is rising, just due to the fact that he's pitching better than most others right now. I think he might be a nice fit for Oakland at 12, but I still can't really tell where he's going to go.
Aaron Shafer, RHP, Wichita State- Shafer has pitched very well this season, particularly of late, and he has some of the best stuff in the draft. He still scares the hell out of me, though. Why, you ask? Shafer's delivery has always been described as 'clean', and 'effortless', and yet he's had a tough time staying healthy. Guys with that profile worry me; I tend to think there's an injury just around every corner. I will say, though, that Shafer does have big time stuff, and the best name in the draft.
Overall, most of the big risers this year have been collegians, while a lot of the prepsters have fallen off. Actually, it's tough to say the big risers, because this has been kind of an odd year. There have been a couple of truly outstanding performances, (see Beckham, Gordon and Posey,) but it's mostly been a few players performing decently, while a whole bunch of others have played themselves back into the middle of the pack.
For whatever it may be worth, here are few players I'd like to see the Cards target:
Tim Melville- I still think he's a huge talent. He's neither the first, nor the last, 18 year old to struggle with his physicality and the stress of a draft hanging over his head.
Zach Putnam- He certainly fits the bill, and I think he's better than he got credit for.
Jemile Weeks- Locking up second base for awhile doesn't sound too bad...
Ryan Perry- Perry, a RHP from Arizona State, I believe, has huge stuff, but has had a tough time finding the plate this year. If he falls, he could be a great value pick in the second round.
Harold Martinez- He's been awful, but could be a steal in the third round. I don't think talent just evaporates. Again, not the first high school senior to struggle going into the draft.
Kyle Skipworth- if he falls, which he won't, he's too unique a talent to ever pass up, no matter how deep you are at catcher. He won't fall, though.
Aaron Hicks- The two way star from high school in Florida, Hicks is definitely raw, but has freakish, Jose Reyes like tools. Awfully tempting.
Crap. I've got to go. sorry to just cut off like this, but I really should have been done with this quite a while ago. I do love listening to myself ramble, though.
G'bye.
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The defense played really well last nigh. Continues to impress me after last year. I not much to say about Ankiels arm. Was at the game last night – incredible throws… the distance, on a line, right on target. Glaus was standing on the base without a care in the world – knowing that he hardly had to move to make the tag. Amazing plays….
by cdb on
May 7, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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I love this team!!
Just wanted to say what a pleasure it is to follow this edition of the team. The young talent on display with Skip, Barton, Ludwick, McClellen, and, especially, Ankiel makes them damn fun to watch. The games have been fantastic—very close with lots of lead changes. And despite the closeness, the team still wins a lot!
Altogether this is a team that entertains. What fun!
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on
May 7, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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lesson
avoid big ten players like the plague. that conference sucks for baseball.
(cough, mark mulder, cough.)
go cards, o's, and phillies.
...boiler up.
by moboiler on
May 7, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
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Mulder was an incredible pitcher until his shoulder gave out
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
May 7, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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my comment about mulder
was somewhat sarcastic. i am aware he was highly successful – as was robin roberts, another msu alum. however, the fact does remain that in recent yearsthe big ten has struggled to compete at the level of the other big-school conferences (and a few smaller ones). i’d take the competition factor into account when scouting and considering a pitcher from that conference.
go cards, o's, and phillies.
...boiler up.
by moboiler on
May 7, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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Mulder
felt fatigue in his sholder after Monday’s start. Got appointment with Dr. Paletta tomorow. Not good sign.
by ridgesee on
May 7, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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Don't defame MSU based on Mark Mulder
Think of Steve Garvey or Kirk Gibson please.
Also, don’t let Mark Mulder ruin your impression of South Holland, IL
by enoscountry on
May 7, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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comparison
eh, i never really liked izzo much. :P
either way, those three (and robin roberts) are far better than the list of major league purdue alums… bob friend and moose skowron are about all there was of note.
go cards, o's, and phillies.
...boiler up.
by moboiler on
May 7, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Thanks for the draft info.....
Few thoughts:
- It is going to be TOUGH to move Rick out of CF, even when Rasmus is ready. Rick has become a darn good CF, and he seems to see the ball much better there than he did in RF last year. Two of the better OF assists I’ve ever seen. To throw the ball that far, on a line, ON TARGET…..crazy.
- As far as the draft, taking SP’s with control problems scares the crap out of me. I know that is one of the more “correctible” issues a SP can have (can’t always teach velocity, etc), but it seems that we’ve had our share of “busts” due to this in recent years. Surely with the 13th pick we can land a pretty darn good player. I don’t know who (don’t follow it that closely), but we need to grab someone that will contribute, not flame out.
by SoonerfanTU on
May 7, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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+1
about The Natural….
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.
by cardsfanindenver on
May 7, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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Center Field
I was actually thinking about this last night (after gawking for about a half an hour and explaining to my girlfriend, who thinks baseball players are cute in their “outfits,” the significance of what we just saw).
I really don’t see how you can move Rick out of center field, unless Colby just covers much more ground than Rick, and I don’t know if that’s possible. I know this sounds homerish, but Rick might be the best defensive centerfielder in the game right now. (If someone has RZR stats disproving or proving this please share) Off the top of my head, I can’t think of anyone who has the combination of range / arm that Ankiel does. I know its nice to have a big arm in right field, but why mess with something thats going so well? Either way, its a nice problem to have, I suppose.
by Ray Lankford on
May 7, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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Colby's arm is almost as good as Ankiel's
An OF of Luddy/Schu, Ankiel, Rasmus would be pretty darn good, regardless of who is in CF.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 7, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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A nice problem to have
after last season, when we had little or no spark from the OF.
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.
by cardsfanindenver on
May 7, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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Im not so sure...
Watching Colby last year in Springfield I remember seeing him throw to third or home and thinking he has a pretty good arm but to say it is almost as good as Rick is, i think, stretching it…Colby will by no means hurt you with it but Ank’s could be a once in a generation arm, although a young Vlad and Ichiro might have something to say about that.
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on
May 7, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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Your girlfriend
is right though – baseball players ARE cute in their “outfits”.
by cardsgirl95 on
May 7, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
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So basically what you're telling me is I should go to the bar in a baseball "outfit"?
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
May 7, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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Look closely at her words...
she said BASEBALL PLAYERS are cute in their “outfits”. If you are a baseball player, then more power to you.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.
by Hollywood15 on
May 7, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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i'm only about 5'10
I’ll just say go to a bar dressed up in a cardinals uniform and say i’m aaron miles. Girls like Grit, right???
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
May 7, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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there is this girl
that comes and sees my band who I refer to as Aaron Miles
If you are in St. Louis check out my band, Griffin and the Gargoyles
(formerly Gargoyle Reign, Gargoyle Lounge)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
:-D
by jealousblues on
May 7, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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I was a student at SLU during the 1982 WS,
and I knew a guy in my class who went to bars (when the Brewers were in town) telling people he was Paul Molitor. This guy was little older than the typical student, so for anyone who didn’t know what Molitor looked like, he was close enough to pull it off. I have it on pretty good authority he did quite well with the ladies.
by MdRedbirdFreak on
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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do your homework...
in order for this approach to work, make sure you know something about the player you are pretending to be. i had a guy hit on me once by saying he was shane battier (back when he was playing at duke). obviously i knew he wasn’t battier, but i played along until he showed me his driver’s license (covering up the name of course) and it was from maryland. he couldn’t explain why “shane battier” would have a maryland DL if he played for Duke in NC and his family is from Michigan. :)
by launchshuttle on
May 7, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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well
surely after that you didn’t let him launch his shuttle.
by ridgesee on
May 7, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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You never know,
it might work. Added bonus, the kind of girl who would think you were cute in your “oufit” would probably watch games with you.
by cardsgirl95 on
May 7, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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I'm definitely proposing a bet amongst friends where someone is going to have to go out in a full uniform
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
May 7, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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Well
make sure they hit the batting cage first. Or maybe just get a grass stain or two. They can say they play in a rec league.
by spants on
May 7, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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I could go for that
But it’d be tough to explain why the rest of the buddies are dressed normally. But going with that we’d have to go with the Barton/AnkielThePitcher/FlatBill stirrups too. That’d be tricky as well. This is definitely happening. If anyone could still uhhhh….make it happen….despite looking like an idiot that’d be damn impressive.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
May 7, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Not tough to explain at all.
He met up with you after the game for a few celebratory/drown-yer-sorrow brews.
by spants on
May 7, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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rick is...
2nd in MLB in RZR, just behind Carlos Gomez. Young, Bourn, and Sizemore round out the top 5.
by mikedallas45 on
May 7, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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looking at the OOZ plays too
I’d rank them Young, Ankiel, Gomez.
So Ankiel is at least a top 5 MLB CF and possibly the top. As always, more data would help to clarify and cement the stats.
by azruavatar on
May 7, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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Ankiel
could still be a pitcher if they put the pitcher’s mound in center field. It was just too close for his arm…
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
May 7, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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I'd like to see the pitch F/x on his curveball from 250 feet
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
May 7, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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lmao
that was funny,I would be curious to see some slow-mo of rick throwing from center and the track of the ball
by from First to Third on
May 7, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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TLR/Looper criticism
I figured I’d see some here. Thing is, Tony said before the game that the only relievers available were Franklin and possibly Parisi. He said that win or lose, Loop was going to throw 100 pitches. May as well go 115 if he has the chance for the CG.
Franklin scares me as well…talk about regressing to the mean. If he cannot keep the ball down and/or throw the slider for strikes, he is going to get rocked.
by silent_bob on
May 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
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Franklinstein
When Franklin was announced, my wife, a Rockies fan, beamed with hope…...
by cdb on
May 7, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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TLR knows more than us,
obviously, but I would have thought McClellan would be as well, since he only had one inning in the last 3 games.
Hope Lil Mac’s arm is ok…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 7, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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LaRussa pregame
In interview with Shannon, he said McClellan was available but I got the sense he preferred not to use him. No hints that anything was wrong with his arm.
by Youneverknow on
May 7, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
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I think K-mac is fine
He threw 28 pitches on Sunday. Im pretty sure he just wanted to give him two days and wanting to keep him as fresh as possiable before going against the Brewers.
by Evilfrog on
May 7, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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Only 73 more wins to go...
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on
May 7, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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since we're being optimistic
only 78!
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
by BigMOman on
May 7, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
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Fact of the Day
Thanks Red Baron for the look at the future…...now about the past,
Fact: 10 games above .500 (anytime during the season) + Cards + LaRussa = post season.
Joe Torre in 1993 got 10 games+ above .500 but finished third.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on
May 7, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
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Yep.....
If my math is right, .500 ball from this point on will still get us 86 wins. Not bad.
by SoonerfanTU on
May 7, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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That's some fact
I find it hard to believe. It’s not as if 10 games over .500 is that significant. You’d have thought some of his teams might have gotten there and missed the postseason. On the other hand, since so many of his teams have indeed made the postseason, it must be feast or famine.
10 games over .500 this early is a genuine achievement.
Where do I order my playoff tickets?
by Youneverknow on
May 7, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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2 things I must comment on not related to the draft.
- Kudos for Rocky fans giving Ankiel the standing ovation when he came up for his last at bat. It’s good to see other Fans show appreciation to opposing players when they have a great day.
- Yesturday I commented about Piniero staring down Duncan when he was pulled out of the game on Monday. In the preview show they mention someone asked Piniero about it. He said he was not glaring at Duncan. Instead he was glaring at the scoreboard in left field.
by Evilfrog on
May 7, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
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Good to hear
Denver fans still know some ball despite purple dinosaurs. Back in the day, Bear fans were among the best in the Am. Assoc. And BTW, if you think Coors has “unusual” qualities, watching a game at Mile High was a real trip. The outfield was absolutely humongous.
by random on
May 7, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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yeah
he said something to the effect of “Yeah, I was staring at the scoreboard to see how badly id done…”
I dont buy it at all, but at least he is saying all the right things.
translation: yeah, I was probably staring at Dunc, but in retrospect I wasnt doing much to help matters and I probably shouldnt have done it.
I wonder if he had a talking to or not?
Am I the only one that doesnt believe the explaination
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by jealousblues on
May 7, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt
he was hit hard, irregardless of what dunc has done, no fret on my end
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 7, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
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11:18 AM EST
Catching up on some ZZZZZZ’s Baron? That’s three demerits for tardiness.
Funny this is your topic today because I just got done reading this. I’m all for Jemile Weeks, seems like less of a risk of a bust. With a brother in the majors he’ll know what to expect and he’s coming out of a good program.
OK, on second thought it’s only two demerits because it was a good post, but don’t let it happen again.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on
May 7, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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plus, imagine the rivalry
having big brother in the same division, playing 18 games a year against him?
i can see it driving little brother to greatness.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 7, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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I'm a Jemile Weeks supporter also
a middle infield of Kozma + Weeks in 3 or so years would be pretty damn nice.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on
May 7, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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Great analysis, Baron!
I’m beginning to wonder if the MLB Draft is a little less of a “crapshoot” these days, what with statistical analysis supplementing “live” scouting. Heck, even I can spot a high-school kid with a “loop” in his swing, and I’m certainly NOT as experienced at it as actual scouts are! There’s a vast difference between broadcasting baseball (as I have at the major-college, high school, and American Legion levels) and having played/coached the game in the professional ranks…
Predicting the athletic future of a high school senior in baseball has to be one of the “iffiest” assignments possible; 18-year-old hockey players have generally been “away from home” playing junior hockey by the time they’re eligible for the NHL draft, while the NBA and NFL draft players with at least one year “away from home” in college. How’s the kid going to handle being away from Mom and Dad, much less deal with the failure that is inherent in facing other ballplayers who are just as good as you, if not better!
Listened to most of last night’s game on my drive back home (Jonesboro, Ark.) from Lonoke; Mike and John obviously enjoy each other’s company, making for an enjoyable night of baseball on the radio!
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on
May 7, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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I missed
Ankiel’s 2nd throw (trip to kitchen) but his 1st throw was almost unbelievable. I can’t recall a stronger one. In fact I can’t recall a stronger throwing outfielder than Ankiel.
by ridgesee on
May 7, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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You could recall a stronger one if you had seen the second one. Seriously, I think it was better than the first!
by Ray Lankford on
May 7, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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I like the first better
Glaus – I don’t think he had to MOVE HIS GLOVE from the point where the ball was caught to place the tag. The ball was almost literally caught on the runners shoe strings. The second throw as a little high – glaus had to get a tag down really quickly….
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May 7, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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Sorry
I guess I’m easily impressed by the missle he threw from the deepest part of the park directly on line to third base. Totally right though—it woud’ve hit Glaus in the sternum, which is obviously too high. Maybe LaRussa should use the Tom Emansky method: put a trashcan on its side and let the fielders throw the ball into it. On the other hand, that was the greatest fucking throw I’ve ever seen and I’m not going to quibble about a ball that was dead on line but made the third baseman snap the tag an extra two feet.
Just messing with you.
by Ray Lankford on
May 7, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Actually
I just watched the replay—you are right. The ball was high. My bad on that.
by Ray Lankford on
May 7, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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BUT
Both of them were freakin’ ridiculous…but the thing that impresses me most about the 2nd throw is that he had to run to the track, pick up the ball, whirl and throw from further away. And it was still right to Glaus who didn’t have to move an inch, just a little higher.
The perfect first throw was slightly more straightforward since he had time to set up before catching the fly out, and the ball was right at the damn BASE! Amazing.
But to grab the ball off the track and then fire it on a line to 3rd from almost 300 feet away…that’s the most amazing f’ing throw I’ve ever seen.
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by Mr Clean on
May 7, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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Agreed. 1st one was great, 2nd one was unbelievable.
by SoonerfanTU on
May 7, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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