Parisi Getting the call?
I heard that Parisi got the call up to the Cards. I have followed Parisi since he was in High School as I am a Sachem alumni myself. I am guessing this is for a start or two to get his feet wet for maybe later in the season when they will really need him. I know he is on the 40 man roster and is a work horse who once he gets that chance will do everything to prove himself. What do you guys feel about this?
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Where did you hear this...
...and who’s going on the DL?
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on May 4, 2008 11:20 AM EDT 0 recs
I'd imagine Springer is headed
to the DL.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
May 4, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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Springer
Yeah, I think it has to be Springer as well. Speculation he was hurt on the STLtoday board yesterday
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=538063
Would have liked to see Motte or Perez. Perhaps later in the year.
by jjray on
May 4, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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as of 10:45 a.m. CDT
i can’t find any evidence of this roster move; parisi is still listed as tonight’s starting pitcher at the memphis redbirds’ web site. what’s your source?
if it’s true, i’m happy for parisi; hope he’s able to contribute.
by lboros on May 4, 2008 11:46 AM EDT 0 recs
At 1:19pm CDT
He’s still listed as the starter for tonight’s Redbirds game.
But he’s not on the Memphis roster.
No mention of it anywhere at the P-D from Bernie or Goold. Kind of a head-scratcher, considering the quality setup men we’ve got at AAA.
by liam on
May 4, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Something of note...
If this is true, and I’m convinced it is, then Mike Parisi will be the first player from our 2004 draft to make it to the majors.
by liam on
May 4, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Not that I dislike Parisi
But wouldn’t Motte have been a better fit? I would say Perez but he isn’t on the 40-man…
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on May 4, 2008 1:02 PM EDT 0 recs
I thought the same thing.
On the surface it doesn’t make much sense to replace a guy with a 5 ERA in the majors with one with a 4.5 in AAA
Thats not really a change in talent.
by DriverZn on
May 4, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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i believe he's correct
Makes some sense. Herron to AA, Garcia to AAA and Parisi to the show.
I’ve heard it from an unverified source, so I could be wrong.
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."
by erik on May 4, 2008 2:35 PM EDT 0 recs
Not to freak anyone out...but
At the Cardinals website, wednesday’s starter is listed as TBD vs. Francis. This would normally be Wainwright’s spot.
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 4, 2008 3:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Oh Crap
Your freaking me out. That would be one of the worst things that could happen to us right now. The only thing that would be worse is if Pujols…....... I’m to afraid to even say it.
by Big Phil on
May 4, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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yeah dude
don’t even say that.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on
May 4, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Wellemeyer was listed as TBD for today for a long time too
I don’t read too much into a TBD being listed by MLB.com
by StLHugo on
May 4, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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This is still the case
And Thursday’s and Friday’s starters are listed as Lohse and Wellemeyer. Stil a big fat TBA where Wagonmaker should be.
by liam on
May 5, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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Parisi did not start today
Mitchell Boggs did.
I wonder if they are shuffling the rotation for Mulder.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on May 4, 2008 3:59 PM EDT 0 recs
correction
Boggs started Friday, and the game was suspended because of rain. They are playing from the 4th inning to complete the game, and Wasdin “started”. If you had been reading FR, you would’ve known that. Geez, HL. It must be that Hernandez avatar, it’s the Just for Men fumes going straight to your brain.
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."
by erik on
May 4, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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Matthew Leach reporting
Parisi up and Reyes down. I guess they are making sure they are covered on innings today.
by lefty fan on May 4, 2008 4:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Heard the same thing
Heard the same thing from Springfield Announcers
by FlimtotheFlam on
May 4, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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So Reyes will be a Starter
Will Memphis put him in the Starting Rotation than?
by FlimtotheFlam on May 4, 2008 4:27 PM EDT 0 recs
What a strange move to be made
Doesn’t demoting Reyes hurt his trade value because it uses the last year of ‘options’ he has left?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on May 4, 2008 4:32 PM EDT 0 recs
If anyone needs an option year next year his trade value is already worthless anyway
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
May 4, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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It sure came in handy for Cliff Lee last year
to be able to be sent down and then come back up this season.
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by Hardcore Legend on
May 4, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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And anyone who trades for him will not be expecting a Cliff Lee like resurgence
If any team feels that they’re going to need to send him down next year then they aren’t going to trade anything for him in the first place.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
May 4, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
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What if said team truly believes like some of us do
that Dave Duncan has screwed his mechanics so bad that he needs the time in AAA to return to his natural mechanics?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
May 4, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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Then they aren't going to give up much for him still...
And regardless say that is the belief: if they couldn’t fix it in half a season they wouldn’t want to trade for him.
Bottomline, taking out the last option year has almost no effect on his trade value. Some team either believes he can be a big leaguer now/by opening day ‘09 or they don’t. If they don’t, why would you trade anything of value for him?
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
May 4, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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I don't think Reyes' option year carries over to next year
Normally option years do, but I think the 4th option year may be a special case. The 4th option year was given because he had less than 5 years of professional experience. At the end of this year, he should have those 5 years in.
by outraged on
May 4, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
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Something has to be up
This makes no sense what so ever
by FlimtotheFlam on May 4, 2008 4:36 PM EDT 0 recs
agree
there must be another move in the works… there just has to be a reason for this move….
by cdb on
May 4, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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PARISI
I am actually real good friends with his younger brother. Mike was scratched from starting today with memphis and will be starting tomorrow in colorado. I have never been more pumped in my life. This is awesome and hope he shuts down the rockies. Sucks to make your first MLB start in such a hitters park, but hopefully he does well
by Dabohman on May 4, 2008 4:39 PM EDT 0 recs
Does that mean
Does that mean Pinero is hurt cause it is his start tommorow
by FlimtotheFlam on
May 4, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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That's awesome.
I look forward to watching him pitch.
by mojowo11 on
May 4, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
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the only sense
... I can imagine to sending Reyes down to Memphis is if a potential trade partner wants to see Reyes start a game before they buy. Cards refused to start him in an ML game so the parties agreed to a Memphis start instead. If the stands are chalked full of scouts for Reyes’ start in Memphis, we’ll have our answer.
by jjray on May 4, 2008 5:34 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah
but that doesn’t make sense for starting Parisi tomorrow. If they merely needed to re-arrange the deck chairs to get Reyes a start, they could have moved him for a reliever.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
May 4, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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pineiro and looper
Are scheduled to pitch monday and tuesday – parisi is supposed to start monday. Maybe Pineiro or Looper are to be traded? Or looper may be going back to the bullpen? No sense right now, there must be something in the works…
by cdb on
May 4, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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How Can you ve Confused?
It’s very clear what they are gunna do. They are gunna push Pineiro to tusesday and Looper to Wednesday. Then Waino is gunna be moved to secondbase so we can have someone hit cleanup.
by Big Phil on
May 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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lol
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on
May 4, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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Albert's our 2B
... I think Wanno goes to SS. Definitely will get more production from Wanno at SS than Izturis. We don’t really need starters. All of our relievers are really starters in disguise. And Papa Duncan can just manufacture replacement relievers out of spare parts from the local dump.
by jjray on
May 4, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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La Russa and Looper are going to get traded to Pittsburgh
so we can make Molina the manager. Then Ankiel catches, and we put Jason Bay in the outfield.
Clear as day
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 4, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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Yeah, this makes no sense...
Unless something bad has happened.
Parisi’s not been impressive at AAA. There’s a reason they’re needing a starter tomorrow – and Reyes couldn’t be used because of his appearance yesterday.
Sounds to me like something has happened to one of the starters that caught them off guard, and they’re scrambling to make sure they’ve got someone fresh for tomorrow.
Don’t think it has to do with a deal being made.
by RedbirdAvenger on May 4, 2008 6:47 PM EDT 0 recs
No....it's becuase they want Reyes out of here.
Wow! So much for time to adjust to a new role. I think Mr. Mozeliak is a coward for not trading this young man, there is absolutely no reason, none to keep him around. I am so damn mad, I can’t even type straight.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
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if they just wanted reyes out of here...
they wouldn’t have brought up a starter to take his place and pitch against the Rockies tomorrow. They’d bring up Worrell or Jiminez.
There’s more at work here.
by RedbirdAvenger on
May 4, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
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It's a pissing match. Tony and Dave want him out of here, Mr. Mozeliak won't trade him.
Except Mo already lost. Just trade the young man. For anything you can get.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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yeah, but Jill...
that still doesn’t explain why they’re replacing a reliever with a starter who’s pitching TOMORROW in one of our regular rotation spots unexpectedly. know what i’m saying?
by RedbirdAvenger on
May 4, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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and it doesn't explain why he was sent down, even
Mo is still the GM, he makes the roster moves.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 4, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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It's because Mr. Mozeliak is a coward. He can't make them use him, and he won't trade him.
So just push him out of sight.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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I don't really think that that makes much sense
and Reyes has the fourth most innings of any reliever on the team (counting Thompson as a reliever). He has been getting chances. And he has gotten hit pretty hard—he leads non-Thompson relievers in hits, has allowed 2 HR in 13.7 innings, is not blowing anyone away with his K rate.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 4, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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Yep. It's not a role he appears suited for. He's still pitched better than
Springer or Izzy. So much for any kind of patience at all to see if he’ll grow in to it. Can’t have that.
It’s pretty obvious to me there is never going to be a role for him on this team. Never.
Please trade him to a team that actually wants him. What are they waiting for?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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What are they waiting for?
How about a fair offer?
Reyes might still develop. Why give him away for peanuts? Because you don’t think his treatment has been fair?
by SoonerfanTU on
May 4, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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A fair offer would be great......
But Mr. Mozeliak has asked for a top prospect and another piece. Does that sound fair to you? Sure, Mr. Mozeliak. Pick up the phone and tell them how valuable this fellow is wasting away in Memphis. The fellow you all don’t think is good enough for your team. Listen to the line go dead…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 11:05 PM EDT
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Are you
Mrs. Anthony Reyes or something?
I think one of the teams that’s been scouting ARey wants to work a trade, but they want to see him start. He can’t start up here, because the rotation is going so well you don’t want to screw with it. Team sends him down to get him a start, Team X makes the offer of Anthony Reyes for Brent Lillibridge and Jo-Jo Reyes (riiiiiiiiiiiiiight…)
Of course, I could be completely off-base, and if so, I reserve my right to be an idiot. But the fact remains, let’s hold off on calling the general manager a coward until we see how things play out.
Bottom line is, the success of the team is more important than the success of an individual player. The front office is not going to go out of its way to make opportunities for Reyes (or anybody) to “prove themselves” when a team expected to finish in or near last in the division just set a franchise record for wins in April.
by Jhusk on
May 5, 2008 1:32 AM EDT
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No I am not. I have never even met him.
He’s 26 years old. What possible reason would they want him hanging around in Memphis? I think after all of the talk of trading him, all of the interest that has stirred up, and the fact they don’t want him on the team, because, um, he’s not on the team, sending him out is the easy way out. It’s making no decision.
I think it would be best for the orginization to just get your new player in, get him started in the system. There is no reason, none at all, to keep Reyes around. They don’t want him. And yeah, I do think it’s wrong.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 5, 2008 5:50 AM EDT
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But I say again,
You can’ hurt the team just to give one player “another shot.”
There’s not a place for him in St. Louis-he’s not a reliever, although he’s pitched fairly well out of the ‘pen, and the rotation has been so good that they can’t bump anybody out for that-so they move him to Memphis.
Plus, I think TLR’s comments on ARey simply not getting enough innings in the Show to be sharp are very valid. Singers gotta sing? Pitchers gotta pitch, and he wasn’t in St. Louis. This is through no fault of his own, there just haven’t been places for him. So get him some innings, and either up his trade value or get him back sharp to where they can use him in St. Louis.
Again, the Cardinals are a TEAM. The good of the team is more important than the good of any individual player. I seriously doubt the front office is sitting around in their huge offices, feet up on the desk thinking, “Anthony Reyes… how I hate him.”
by Jhusk on
May 5, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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This player has no place on this team. You do understand that, don't you?
Yes they are a team. Smart teams take players they don’t want and trade them for players they do want. It’s that simple. It is a waste of an asset to even keep him around, IMO. His role is trade chip. Cash it in…...
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 5, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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And you understand that
making a trade requires a trade partner who will provide a player we can use? Despite your ranting and raving on this subject, you’ve failed to mention one trade offer we’ve turned down that we should have accepted.
by Ray Lankford on
May 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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Why?
You don’t trade a player, especially a relatively young one, for “anything you can get”.
Don’t let your personal bias get in the way of what needs to be a carefully thought out situation.
by SoonerfanTU on
May 4, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
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This franchise has traded hundreds and hundreds of players for anything they could get
for years and years. Mo wants to be different, but with this particular player, it’s time to take the first useful player they can get and be done with it.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
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No,.
you take an offer that you think will turn out better than he will. If you think that Reyes is not succeeding at the MLB level, you try and figure out what is wrong and fix him. But, if you still value his upside, and think that his stock is at it’s all time low point, you don’t just dump him.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 4, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
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I understand what your saying. And in an ideal world, that's what the team should do.
Do you really believe that Mr. LaRussa and Mr. Duncan are interested in a “fixed” Reyes. I don’t. Don’t you remember he was forced onto the team by the GM? I honestly believe that LaRussa and Duncan are planning on never seeing him again.
It’s time for Mr. Mozeliak to talk to the teams that want him, and trade him for the player that suits our needs best.
No more trying to pull off a fleece-which he can’t even think about with him sitting in Memphis anyway. Just a fair deal for both sides.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
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We don't know what's happening
But I do know that LaRussa and Duncan aren’t trying to intentionally destroy a pitcher that coudl help the team. They asked him whether he wanted to be in the memphis rotation or the St. Louis bullpen. He chose the latter. They gave him a decent opportunity there, allowing him a relatively high number of innings. Reyes got hit pretty hard there, and lacking the long record of success of Isringhausen, or the excuse of injury that Springer had, now gets demoted to Memphis to become a starter again. I just don’t buy that the entire St. Louis management is made up of angry irrational psychopaths intentionally trying to destroy a players’ career, agains ttheir won interests.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 5, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
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LaRussa in the past, and Duncan in the past and present have made it clear they do not think much of this particular player.
It is in everyone’s interest to cash in the trade chip. I see it as the only thing left to do with him. Reyes has no future here. Get your new player here and into the system.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 5, 2008 6:10 AM EDT
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but then why not do this as a retroactive DL sort of thing?
If we’re just skipping a guy’s turn in the rotation, that would seem to make more sense.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 4, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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me no understand.
though i’m sure that makes sense, and my brain’s just not getting it at the moment.
by RedbirdAvenger on
May 4, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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Piñeiro's last start was the 30th
So they can DL him, retroactive to the first, call up Parisi. He misses his start on the 5th, and is back on the roster on the 16th, having missed two starts, and then they don’t have to demote Reyes.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 4, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
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aha.
yeah, that’s definitely a good point… I’m now even more confused.
by RedbirdAvenger on
May 4, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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I have a radical suggestion.
Tony wanted to have a fresh reliever to eat some innings. Reyes is a little burned out now. The cards were looking for an okay AAA reliever who could pitch 2-3 inning stints that they could call up and send down again with impunity.
If they called up one of the more blue chip prospects (motte, perez, etc.) just to eat innings, then sent him down, they wouldn’t be able to call that player up again for ten days. Which would leave them in a jam if Springer or Izzy went on the DL.
I think Parisi is being called up to play the role of Kelvin Jimenez.
by tom s. on May 4, 2008 7:09 PM EDT 0 recs
that might be the case, and if so, that makes sense--he's just replacing Reyes in the 'pen
but there’s also this, from the above official article:
“There’s no real plan,” Parisi said. “They need innings. I’m still longed out, from being a starter, to get some innings. I can come in for an inning, or I can come in for an out or start. It’s kind of up in the air.”
Emphasis mine. They haven’t even really told Parisi what he’s going to do. This is really strange. The only thing I can think of is that there’s some deal imminent that they don’t want to jinx by announcing that Parisi’s in the rotation until Mulder/Carp are back. Maybe reyes is going down in order to get his arm back into starting mode so he can fill in the rotation in a couple of weeks.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on
May 4, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure
you can bring a guy back before the 10 days are up if he’s replacing someone who’s going on the DL.
by Nate811 on
May 5, 2008 2:16 AM EDT
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Issues with Pineiro
This makes it sound like Parisi is being called up as an option to start in case Pineiro can’t go because of back stiffness.
by fnldwn on May 4, 2008 7:24 PM EDT 0 recs
One thing to remember....
...is that, based on his Spring Training, the Cardinals consider Parisi their emergency starter. With Thompson on the DL and Pineiro possibly needing some rest, Parisi gets the call. I wouldn’t be surprised if Reyes never leaves St. Louis. Of the pitchers with options, however, Reyes is the most expendable if he has to stay in Memphis a few games—LaRussa doesn’t depend on him like he does McClellan. He’s been pretty good as a reliever, but he still has consistancy issues.
The next several days will be interesting. There’s been moves all over the farm system as well….
by Forsch31 on
May 4, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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Nifty little theory, except Reyes already is in Memphis.
And there’s a bit of a history….....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
May 4, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
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Theory still stands...
I did say that of all the pitchers with options, Reyes is the most expendable if he has to stay in Memphis a few games.
To put it bluntly, he simply hasn’t been as impressive as McClellan and no where near as steady. Parisi actually has done well in Memphis—his stats have been skewed by a one bad outing where he got killed, and the staff made it clear in spring training what Parisi’s role would be this season.
And on the “bit of history”...Thompson was sent down before Reyes. So the idea that this move was preordinated holds absolutely no water with me.
by Forsch31 on
May 5, 2008 2:33 AM EDT
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can't be...
... because this whole season was constructed this way by TLR/Dunc/Mo just to frustrate Reyes. they have him start the season on the big club, making him think that he’ll stay in the majors, only to yank the rug out from under him a month later. all the while laughing maniacally at their deviousness.
it’s not because he’s carrying a 79 OPS+ and 1.39 WHIP so far this year, and his arm is getting burned out b/c he’s not used to pen pitching (and he’s only available every third day). it’s not because he’s got a career 81 OPS+ and and 1.357 WHIP and the Cards currently have the best starting rotation in the NL. it’s not because he’s got options left and the rest of the pitchers on the staff either don’t (most of them) or have actually pitched amazingly well this season (McClellan, with his gaudy 199 OPS+ and 1.038 WHIP so far and nearly 1 K per inning). it’s not because they thought they’d need a spot start (or some long relief) and nobody on the staff is really able to do so. it’s not because they want Reyes to get back into starting form so they can trade him later this year. it’s not because Reyes hasn’t been a very good pitcher the past few years, and since Izzy and Springer are looking sketchy they wanted to give someone else a chance to become a more reliable innings-eater. it’s not because Reyes is the 25th man on a 25-man roster, and so becomes the first to go if emergency help is needed elsewhere.
nope, none of those things could explain it. the only explanation is that Mo’s a coward and TLR/Dunc are exercising a vendetta.
looks like Piniero is going to take the start after all, so maybe TLR/Dunc made him fake a sore back to trick Mo into calling somebody up and sending Reyes down.
[/sarcasm]
forgive my bluntness, but righteous indignation should be saved for good players. or, at least, average ones. to this point in his career, Reyes is neither. i’m glad Parisi is gonna get his chance. there are other people in the organization besides Reyes, and all of them deserve a fair shot to make their mark; not just Anthony.
(sorry if that’s too much sarcasm, but there’s 80 posts in this thread, 50 of which are by one person repeating one [irrational] thing despite repeated attempts


