Game 57 Open Thread- 31st May, 2008
by the red baron on May 31, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
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Paul Maholm Mike Parisi
2-5, 5.11 0-1, 2.87
How many years now have we been talking about the Pirates' young, talented rotation, and expecting them to break out? I remember when Zach Duke came up and pitched just lights out a couple of years ago. The future was now for Pittsburgh. The same for Ian Snell, when he came up and just struck hitters out just left and right. Still, a couple of years later, and Pittsburgh still finds themselves below .500, with a struggling rotation and an empty ballpark. I just don't get it.
How long is Parisi going to be able to go, I wonder? He hasn't made a start in almost a month, so his stamina is definitely going to be a question. He's gone multiple innings in most of his outings here in the majors, so it's not as bad as if he had been pitching in just single inning stints, but I still question the decision to go with Parisi here, over a pitcher who's been starting all along. You could have left Kelvin Jimenez down in Memphis, left Parisi in the pen, and brought up a starter from Triple A, who wouldn't have had the same questions in regards to his stamina. Oh well, I suppose that's why I'm not a major league manager.
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Lineup
Ryan 2b
Mather Rf
Pujols 1b
Ludwick Lf
Glaus 3b
Ankiel Cf
LaRue c
Parisi P
Izturis ss
With mather starting in Right, does that mean he has a better arm then Luddy?
Yadi is my hero
This is an outfield
I’m VERY interested in. Should be above average defense. I look forward to seeing how they play.
Yes I agree
Just put Molina at catcher and it is one of, if not the best, defense in baseball.
Yadi is my hero
Fantastic
Except LaRue of course, but whaddayagunnado?
Think Skip is sweating a little bit?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
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Only if ...
Ryan can handle the leadoff duties. If they can’t find someone to be more successful than Skip in that role, then he doesn’t have to worry, yet. It would probably be best for the team if Ryan can figure out how to bring up his OBP and take control of 2B and the leadoff position. That, and if Mather takes control of providing what we expected from Duncan. I’d love to see an everyday that looked like
Ryan 4
Ankiel 8
Pujols 3
Ludwick 7
Glaus 5
Mather 9
Molina 2
Pitcher 1
Izturis 6
You could swap Ankiel and Mather if you want, but I’d prefer it this way.
I imagine stamina might be even more of a question since
we have close to summertime weather here today – upper 80s at game time, nice and humid.
by BTown Birds fan on May 31, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
So Duncan's supposed to start for Memphis against
Albuquerque tonight, right?
OT, I used to live in Albuquerque; that is an absolutely awesome place to watch a baseball game (I used to watch the Dukes there; now they’re the Isotopes, courtesy of the Simpsons). It cools down nicely in the evening, hardly ever rains, you get to watch the sunset reflected against the mountains as the game progresses…very nice.
by BTown Birds fan on May 31, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
+1
I have a program with
Oral, Sid Fernandez, Mike Marshall, Greg Brock, Franco and a couple others I can’t think of off the top of my head.
The Lava rock outfield is something you don’t see every day.
That's cool. I remember seeing Kirk Gibson there when he was on a
rehab assignment. I’m pretty sure this was the year after his WS HR against Eckersley, and it was very exciting for adolescent baseball-obsessed me.
And I agree, the lava rock outfield is a nice unique touch.
by BTown Birds fan on May 31, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it "hardly ever rains"
but absolutely the most spectacular thunderstorm I’ve ever seen in my life - and that’s going some - washed out a game we were watching there, the same night that Bonds, curse his name, hit #755. I even blogged about it.
Won’t make it to tonight’s Birds-Isos game, but I’ll be at Monday’s.
by StanTheManFan on May 31, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets here it for Parisi and his first start!
Our starting rotation could be very formidable in the second half of the season and for the next couple of years
It could be
But it won’t be because of Parisi
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Looks like the rain is coming in ...
just in time for the game. I’m in St. Charles County, and the rain is already starting. We’ll probably have some kind of delay tonight.
Anyone watching on mlb.tv...
Have some crazy rewinds happening on the video feed and/or missing the top FSN info bar w/ the score, outs, innings, etc.?
Could just be my system.
nope, here too
very annoying.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
Mlb.tv is frustrating...
it’s handy and is great when you are out of your team’s market (as I am) but their features do not work at all, like Mosaic…open that on a Mac and your system will freeze immediately.
Open it on a PC and it works just fine :)
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
it works for me on Mac.
It’s just super slow. How old is your computer?
On with the (good) youth movement!
I know I'd rather
follow the game via Gameday than mess around w/ Vista. I’ll never go back to a P.C.
Computer is close to 2 years old…macbook…everything else runs fine. And really, is it even worth having Mosaic run “super slow”? Doesn’t that eliminate any gains from the technology?
XP
all the way. The hell with Vista. I refuse to upgrade. My freaking system works just fine right now and I don’t want or need to be messing with it when it’s stable. I can’t stand this constant update hamster wheel shit….drives me nuts.
At least MS could make sure the damn things worked correctly before they released them….they don’t even do that.
No kidding
2 years of XP with this laptop and 3-4 on the desktop without the slightest problem of compatibility or otherwise…
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
I don't think they're gonna get this game in
which is too bad, cause I want to see this Mather-Ank-Thudwick outfield….
come on, rain
give us a break for once…
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
that strategy
works a lot better when your offense helps…
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
Where was Ankiel on that hit?
Gameday makes it look pretty close to center
less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'
how about that rain?
we’re owed one after opening day. Time for some reverse luck?
On with the (good) youth movement!
normally
i’d feel guilty about counting on the rain to bail us out, but the baseball gods owe us one from our aborted opening day
Brian Gunn
The ominous four run first inning
Have we ever come back from that? I know we sure didn’t against Houston.
less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'
...
“When you walk Luis Rivas, you are asking for trouble.”—Immanuel Kant
Brian Gunn
i thought mike was a good pitcher?
WTF up with the 4 run first?
and what did our guys do vs a guy with a 5.11 ERA in their half of the first? seriously, i walked away for 30 seconds & the inning was over, what did they do? swing at the first pitch and make outs? geesh.
that’s pathetic.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
What does Parisi look like..
Visibly? What do his mechanics look like.. overhard, sidearm, etc?
I’m watching it on Gameday and it’s none too pretty.
i'm not sure what everhard means,
but he’s not a side armer.
he looks like crap. every thing is up & over the middle of the plate.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
larue is terrible at framing pitches
there’s been two or three pitches that were close enough to be strikes that he made no effort to sell.
You’re there for your defense, dude…
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
i don't know
this radar shows it will only last a couple of hours.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
ok, that's uncool
mlb.tv showed the darn 0-1 pitch 3 times- i kept thinking “strike 3”
Christ, 4 times now.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
Maybe he'll be the anti-Pineiro
Instead of starting off strong and then suddenly going to hell in the late innings, Parisi will start off with the suck and then lock ‘em down the rest of the game.
about time Troy
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
every one needed that HR
too bad Rick swung right threw some good pitches
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i could have sworn that was a taylor made DP
why the heck was our SS playing so far away that he had to dive, and he still couldn’t get there?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
nah, that was in the hole
I’m, at least 3 minutes behind you, lol…
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
The sad thing is
even if it rains, TLR’s gonna have to make a switch soon, wasting another pitcher.
We need to send Parisi back to Memphis for AReyes or Boggs.
save us, kelvin jiminez...
save us!!!
j/k, but man.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
should yank him NOW
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
this is like watching Mulder & Marquis detonate agains the White Sox
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Parisi is awful
I dont get how you can be good in relief and then just horrid as a starter
Losing is a disease
starting and relieving
are pretty different animals. a guy can unload in relief b/c he needn’t worry about fatigue. he can also get by with fewer pitches b/c hitters don’t have as many reps (as they would vs. a starter) to adjust to his repertoire.
But, he's getting shelled the first time through.
I know, in general you are right; but the first time through should be similar.
i'm guessing
as nota bene says, the difficulties of adjusting your pace and your stamina between starting and relieving is what goofed him up. but that’s just a guess—who knows. maybe the bucs would have tattooed him if he came in as a reliever too. i mean, his numbers are good, but i’ve not been THAT impressed with parisi even out of the pen.
It might have just been a bad night.
He seemed to be leaving everything up in the zone. He was probably a little amped up making his first start, and he had trouble getting on top of the pitches. How often has he worked with LaRue? Why would you use your 2nd catcher with a guy’s first outting? We’ll have to see how he responds if he gets another chance.
so, after this stellar performance by Mike
will Joel make his next start?
or will they let Mike have anther start?
or will they keep Joel on the DL & bring up some one else from Memphis?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Unquality start
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
that 1st pitch looked good on gameday
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
im out, this was bullsh!t
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on May 31, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well screw you too kelvin
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Oh, Kelvin, how we've missed you
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
welcome back, kelvin.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
need to balance out the groundball pichers
with line drive pitchers
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Ok if I said
just watch this guy. He has a 1.20 ERA. Wouldn’t you say. Really?!? How?
He looks very hittable to me.
For some reason they like him better than Mark Worrell
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
in all my years following the cardinals...
i’ve only seen three pitchers who seem completely utterly unequipped to get out major league hitters, even occasionally: andy cavazos, brady raggio, and kelvin jiminez. what’s odd, though, is that jiminez’s numbers in AAA are quite respectable.
Man, I sure am glad
We have Jimenez and Parisi on the roster instead of Anthony Reyes a guy who has thrown a one hitter and pitched in the World Series.
These guys are clearly better.
good night for aaron miles
maybe miles and kennedy can both pitch tonight.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
they are talking about a delay...
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
Who woulda thought?
If you throw in the low 90s belt-high all night, then even the Pirates will hit it.
keep fouling them off, nady
get us to the rain delay.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
i think i know whats going on here
Tony is just as sick of the flubs & jay bruce getting all the love from the media as we are. so he told mike & kelvin to screw the pooch for the first few innings & let the Pirates get a big lead. then the rain delay will hit & maholm will be taken out. once he’s out the O will wake up & come roaring back & the Cards will win with a dramatic walk off home run by Joey Bombs.
at least that’s what i’m telling myself is happening here.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Didn't the flubs come back from eight runs down?
If they can do it, so can we!!!!
please rain. please rain. please rain. please rain.
less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'
9-1 to be precise
but we have to wait for the 6th to make our comeback if we want to copy the cubs
Hey, some very good pitchers
have started their careers with ERAs over 50.
Haven’t they?
REALLY?
Exclusive breaking news
Jay Bruce is pretty good. I wonder if they are interested in like a power hitting lefty 1B like the Giants.
"Regression to the mean is so much more fun to watch when it’s a Cub who is regressing." SleepyCA
yeah. so . um.
why didnt we call up Reyes for this start?? cuz this so better.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
Oh God
I hope not. I am not sure I can take another basketcase like Reyes.
At least with Parisi, when it goes wrong … it really goes wrong and there is no doubt whether to leave him in or take him out and whether or not you pitch him again like this.
At least Parisi answers our questions … even if they are disappointing answers.
No Kidding.
If we are not going to AT LEAST use Reyes in starts like this, then for both of our benefits we need to get rid of him.
Plus, now we have messed up Parisi.
Genius.
if parisi is messed up by this
worse than being a bit upset, going out and getting hammered and stumbling home (probably would have been better if lil’dunc was there to help with that bit), then he was never going to be a major league pitcher in the first place. These guys aren’t as fragile as we think they are.
"the hardest decision to make is to do nothing; there is a terrible temptation to interfere." -gen patton
It would affect me
if in my first Big League Start, something I have waited my whole life for, I get lit up like a Roman Candle.
Got to put at least a little doubt in his head about whether he can do this. Probably he can shake it off, but it is not like he is going home tonight saying, I know I am a quality major league stater.
If I remember correctly
Dan Haren got completely lit up in his first big league start against the cubs. He turned out ok.
OT--anybody else see the NYY v. DRays game in '05. . .
when the Yanks scored 13 in the eighth? Piniella left Travis Harper in to lose 20-11. Guy gave up 9 runs on 8 hits. This game kinda reminds me. . .
Looks like people are already headed for the exits
and not a raindrop in sight. Stadium cam
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I hope there's more where that came from
Because it’s going to be done in about 30 minutes.
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i thought the same thing
ludwick seems to me to have a longish swing too, although don’t tell that to anyone who pitches in the national league
I agree with you
on Ludwick to a degree, but Ludwick’s swing is quicker. At least it is now, it is certainly the type of swing that injuries can slow down (which maybe explains why he has been in the minors so long).
Mather just seems to have a long swing period. I would say longer than Ludwick and very similar to Glaus. I think Mather’s numbers reflect that a little too in that he has a good deal of home runs relative to RPIs and single base hits. Of his minor league hits, 20 out of 40 were for extra bases. When he hits it, he hits it well, but he doesn’t seem to hit it that often and a long swing in the majors is naturally going to have holes that good big league pitchers are going to exploit.
He is probably going to be something of a mistake hitter over time unless he can shorten his swing and be more responsive to pitches.
good way of putting it
ludwick’s swing seems long but quick, which should serve him well until he loses some milliseconds off his bat speed
its raining heavy west of park
slow things down…......
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 31, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
Oh look, Pujols advanced to third on the pop-out.
Isn’t that cute? It’s like he thinks we have a chance.
in game 4 of the 2004 world series
pujols was on first in the bottom of the 9th, cards down 3-0, no one out, flyout to right, and i swear to god pujols was about to tag and go to second on the flyball. granted that was the world series, but the guy never EVER gives up, never concedes a base if he can take it (or even, sometimes, when he can’t).
Alright Kelvin, here's the plan
Hit McLouth in the ribs, then yell something at him, and let’s slow this game down!!!
less dunca(i)n', more ludwickin'
Holy cow
I’d forgotten what it felt like to be on the losing side of a true blowout
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How much of this
can we blame on LaRue? I absolutely hate when he catches. I know he seems to have a better arm than some of our previous backups, but the guy seems lost handling pitchers. Everytime I see his name on the lineup card I think it is 50-50 that our pitcher will be lit up. Maybe LaRue is tipping pitches back there or something?
I think he should be released or traded. he is not a major league pitcher and is just keeping people from growing even at AAA.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
right
I don’t care how he throws in AAA, he is just blocking prospects. I will be very disappointed if he ever throws another pitch for the Cardinals organization,
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
jimenez is the only player on the roster i have no respect for. and how is it that the pirates have our number in most of the games we’ve played? it seems like they’re a little too competitive for a bad team.
by barry whiteteeth on May 31, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
They are really not that bad of a team
they have just had to play the Cubs alot this year so it seems like they are
even if they're not that bad
it seems like the cards have been making them look a lot better this season
by barry whiteteeth on May 31, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
they've scored 11 runs
against us twice already this year, which is our season high in terms of runs allowed
too bad
none of them are on my fantasy team
by barry whiteteeth on May 31, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
this is some poor kid's
first major league baseball game
Larue came close to jacking a dong
I am gonna drink like he did. I hope nobody has a problem with that.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Nothing's better than coming from behind
by jacking dongs all over the park. No dong is safe!
Sorry, that’s all I’ve got.
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Snell, BTW, has been walking a lot of batters lately
So there’s reason to think we’ll, umm, get a little better result than tonight
Aaron Miles
seriously should pitch in this game.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
ronny paulino
the last two years
vs. us: .338/.371/.568
vs. everyone else: .242/.300/.349
just call this stupid game already
watching them rebuild the mound is worse than watching Kennedy bat.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
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