Pineiro likely to hit DL, who rotates in for the homestand?
by StLHugo on May 28, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
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With the news that Piniero will likely miss his next scheduled start, and knowing that if he does hit the DL they can retroactive it to his last start, which leaves him eligible for his next turn through the rotation (thus he only misses one Saturday by hitting the DL).
If Joel does hit the DL that opens a roster spot. The big question is who starts for him? And also who fills the spot until then and after then. The obvious starters are Reyes and Pairisi, but what about Boggs, Garcia, etc? It would use up an option for some of the others which might not be a good thing. What about Thompson? So little has been heard about his status that it makes me wonder what he is doing.
For the bullpen arm before and after the start do you think they activate Izzy?
Jimenez? Motte probably isn't ready, but Worrell might be. Lots of options and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Another option is to go a man short in the pitching staff for a few games and call up a bench player, Mather, Barden, etc.
So what is your take? How should this roster spot be handled for the next 10 days?
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Bring up Mather
so Tony can sit him next to Ludwick on the bench.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
by cardzfan24 on May 28, 2008 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4/4/1
Call up Mather.
Cover the start by by having Parisi and Mac go 4 innings each, Perez closes the 9th.
by lightbulb on May 28, 2008 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Mather is not going to get called up. Unless he can play SS or 2B, we don’t have a position open for him.
by SoonerfanTU on May 28, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mather
almost did get called up.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
by cardzfan24 on May 28, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When?
Not according to TLR just a couple of days ago. Said there is no place for him, and that he can’t get at bats for everybody as it is.
by SoonerfanTU on May 28, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he get told
he was being called up, just to get that scratched soon after?
I may be imagining things. You’re point is well taken though, although I think we should try to make room for this hot stick by jettisoning some of our dead weight.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
by cardzfan24 on May 28, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was.....
When Ankiel might have been out awhile, which he obviously never was.
I don’t disagree, I too would like to move a couple of guys (Duncan, Skip, Reyes, Kennedy), but it’s hard to move guys when a) you are still just a game or two out of having the best record in the Majors, and b) those guys don’t have a ton of trade value.
Just the way it is right now. Hopefully we can hold on and be competitive all year with the current roster, or we’ll start fading so we can MAYBE make some moves for the future.
by SoonerfanTU on May 28, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they asked dave duncan this morning on 1380
he said if piniero hits the dl he would like to give the start to parisi and call up jiminez.
by astrostl on May 28, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is the obsession with Jíminez?
He is horrible, and we actually have decent arms in Memphis. Why not use Reyes, and leave Paris in the ‘pen where he’s comfortable? Or call up one of the guys who could actually help the big league club, rather than making the guys in the bullpen cook a lot of spaghetti to go with all of the meatballs that will be deposited out there.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 28, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please tell me you're joking
that would be beyond awful to call up jiminez.
by stlcardinalsfang on May 28, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy has a 1.88 ERA in AAA, and has some experience in the Bigs. Who else you going to call up? Why waste an option on Worrell for less than a week? Motte isn’t ready, and is in a pretty big funk that has seen his ERA reach nearly 4.00.
by SoonerfanTU on May 28, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worrell and options
Worrell is already on the 40-man, so he is already using an option by being in AAA. I say call up Worrell.
by mikedallas45 on May 28, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jiminez is awful
but astrostl not joking.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 28, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the interviewers really leaned on him about reyes. his response was that he didn’t want to move him back and forth or disrupt his work, and that getting called up and then sent back down isn’t as big of a deal for a reliever.
by astrostl on May 28, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Translation: Reyes will be in St. Louis over my dead body......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 28, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've been bitching about the up and down for ages
They decided to put him in the same place to show him some consistency, and now that’s horrible…
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 28, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right. I have been bitching about it forever. Maybe I'm really, really mad. Maybe I'm just a bitch.
Do you think Mr. Reyes is ever going to be given a chance to pitch in this rotation under Mr. Duncan? They have spent 3 years-3 years! pushing him out of the rotation. Mr. Duncan has insisted this young man pitch in a way he has never pitched-even in the CARDINALS minor league system, and surprise, surprise it hasn’t worked too well for him or the club. No. I don’t think he should be put on the Memphis shuttle. I think Mr. Mozeliak needs to visit the Land of Oz….they will give him some courage to do the right thing-which is to trade this young man.
Mr. Mozeliak, you can CYA by blaming the trade on Mr. Duncan…..if Reyes takes off for his new team, well, you didn’t want to do it, but Mr. Duncan insisted….if he tanks, Mr. Duncan looks like a genius. And while I’m at it, let me just say shame on you, Mr. DeWitt for letting this kind of situation happen-aren’t you the guy in charge here?
Valatan, sir, you’re right. I am a bitch. A bitch with too much time on my hands…..I’m going for a walk.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 28, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prrrrrrrrrrretty sure he didn’t call you a bitch…
Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together...it's Arrested Development.
by Bowen on May 28, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right. There is a fine line between bitching a lot and being a bitch.
He didn’t call me a bitch…..I’m calling me a bitch. I am one today.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 28, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[shakes head]
I’ll never understand your unending venom toward the club on this topic.
by Ray Lankford on May 28, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ever going to be given a chance to pitch for Duncan?
Maybe not again. But no one else had more starts than Reyes between 06-07.
by Evilfrog on May 28, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People
Seem to have emotional ties to players and it clouds the facts…........
Jill like Anthony just like a lot of people have favorites, I don’t have an emotional favorite player so it’s hard for me to get so emotionally attached… But people tend to not look at facts it’s easier to blame everything but the player when your favorite fails. It’s professional athletics which is one of the most competative jobs in the world and you either produce or you will not last long.
by ICbirdfan on May 28, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're a bitch
just not impressed.
by liam on May 28, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good he was the worst RH bullpen arm when he was around.
by ICbirdfan on May 28, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimenez sucks ass too...
It’s not a big deal to bring Jimenez up if he only pitches in blowouts I guess, it’s not like he will be up long.
by ICbirdfan on May 28, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Official
Pineiro DL, Jiminez up
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by Mr Redbird on May 28, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
barf
Mark Worrell gets screwed again.
by azruavatar on May 28, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well not again really
but for a first time
by azruavatar on May 28, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would've liked to see Worrell up, too
Or Mitch Boggs, who’s rolling again today and won’t be needing three more years in the minors.
Here’s hoping Jimenez can keep getting groundballs and hopefully strike out a few more batters with the big club.
by liam on May 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Parisi already in the pen as the "longman"
I can understand keeping Boggs on a starting schedule—although he has looked good. I can understand the hesitation with Motte because all he has is a fastball and he’s starting to get hit over the last few starts (whether that’s bad luck or hitters catching on to the heat, I don’t know).
But the reluctance to call up Worrell is confusing. He already spent 2007 in memphis and posted good numbers. Now his AAA numbers are great and they’re taking Kelvin Jimenez who already bombed in the majors. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
by azruavatar on May 28, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why bring up either of them to sit in the pen for 5-7 days, and probably not throw a meaningful pitch? Boggs wouldn’t even be available to pitch for 4-5 days, and I see no point in wasting an “option” on Worrell, to come ride the pine. KJ becomes the mopup man for a weak, goes back to AAA, and it has the least affect on the Cards and Memphis.
by SoonerfanTU on May 28, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worrell is already using an option
By being on the 40-man roster and not being on the major league team, Worrell is already using an option this year.
by mikedallas45 on May 28, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weak is right
and here’s hoping Jimenez isn’t called into the role he so irritatingly filled last season.
I’d rather get a look at Worrell, who’d give opposing batters a very different look to what they’re used to seeing from our pitching.
Hell, I’d rather Hugo Castellanos get a taste of the bigs.
by liam on May 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that I can think of is that they're trying to avoid
paying MLB wages to Worrell, which they’re already stuck doing for Jímenez. Of course, if he costs the team a single game, then they’re already behind on that deal.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Week, you know what I meant.
Hugo? Seriously? Seen his ERA lately? Guy has pitched terribly.
What look, exactly, would Worrell give that nobody else in our bullpen does?
by SoonerfanTU on May 28, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen his delivery?
Or Hugo’s?
Castellanos isn’t a great pitcher, but neither is Jimenez… And Hugo’s much more fun to watch.
by liam on May 28, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Hugo's.....
And you are right, he isn’t a very good pitcher at all. Have not seen Worrell’s.
You don’t always call up “the best” player. I’m sure Tony and the bunch have a reason to call up KJ instead, so I’ll trust them. No reason not to. I’m sure if Springer, or Franklin, or McClellan went down, we’d probably see Worrell. But for a few days, as the “scrub” reliever, I see no reason not to make it KJ.
by SoonerfanTU on May 28, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
k/9
14.25 >> 5.25
That’s the biggest reason I see.
Burning an option year for Worrell and getting nothing out of it is another.
Giving a guy with a real future in the major leagues a taste is a third.
I won’t get to see (or listen to) any of the games this weekend but when I open the paper on Sunday, I’d rather see that Worrell made a splash over Jimenez not flopping.
by liam on May 28, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castellanos has been pitching in the starting rotation
which has led to a lot of his struggles. He’s better out of the pen for just a few batters at a time.
That said, he’d have to clear waivers if they wanted to send him back down, IIRC, and I’m not sure he could do that unless he tanked in the majors.
by azruavatar on May 28, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda figured
that he never made it onto a 40-man roster, seeing as how his career has been a series of releases.
If that’s the case, he’d be in the Kelvin Jimenez mold, a minor-league veteran with all his options intact.
by liam on May 28, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do they still have options once they've been in the minors for X years
(‘X’ as in some number I don’t know for sure)
by azruavatar on May 29, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Rico still had options
not that anyone would waiver claim him. But wasn’t John Rodriguez a minor leaguer for a long time? It seemed like the Cardinals had no problem zipping him up and down from Memphis.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 29, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im so pissed.
would they just trade Reyes or use him. Man when you get in Duncans doghouse, you just cant get out of it! paris is a freakin twopitch pitcher. this is crap.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 28, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, dangpenguins,
You won’t be surprised to hear that I agree with you…..Mr. Mozeliak is even afraid to get in Mr. Duncan’s doghouse.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 28, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Reyes talk is ridiculous.
It has nothing to do with Reyes being in La Russa and Duncan’s “doghouse.” It also has nothing to do with Mozeliak being “afraid of Duncan” or not wanting to “force” Reyes onto the big league club. It is simply the best move for the club. Since Pineiro will most likely only miss one start, there is no need to call up someone like Reyes, or even Garcia or Boggs, since they will only be here for one start. As someone previously stated, it is much less disruptive to bring up a reliever than a starter. Why bring them up when you have an equally deserving candidate in Parisi? Calling up Jiminez was a solid move by the team. Parisi gets a chance to show what he can do as a major league starter, Jiminez can provide mop-up innings, and Reyes, Boggs, and the rest of the AAA hurlers can continue to pitch in their familiar roles.
by stl522 on May 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet,
when you get on his good side there seems to be no way to get off it, as well. I’ve watched Jimenez pitch, and I don’t see any reason why this guy is his first call every time a pitcher goes down. It’s kinda like Eldred was. I think the guy’s press has gone to his head a little. He seems to look a little TOO hard for that “diamond in the rough.”
by etp_stl on May 29, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I agree......
Please don’t tell him where I live…..I’m scared of him too.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 29, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As riled up as you were earlier, ...
I’d think sending him to your house would’ve taken care of the problem for the rest of us. Hell, Marty Mason would’ve gotten a pretty nice promotion, and Reyes would’ve been in the rotation by this weekend. I’m thinkin’ Duncan will do better picking on Lloyd McClendon and other guys he can handle.
by etp_stl on May 29, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just madder yesterday than I am today.
I mean what organization says they are trading a player for 3 years running, and doesn’t trade him? It’s unprofessional, and quite frankly, tacky, unseemly, and unfair to the player. Then I find out that he’s not traded because they want a fleece trade….not a regular fair trade, but a fleece! Now he’s like a hostage being held for ransom…
I have said way too much, way too many times, and annoyed way too many people. I just want to see this kid pitch. And since they don’t want him, I can’t comprehend the reasoning behind keeping him around. I just can’t. Sorry about that.
MLB trade rumors says the Atlanta Braves want to add another starter-a young one, that is cost controlled for several years. Um, Mr. Mozeliak, Anthony might be quailified for this position-he at least fits the description on some levels. You need to speed dial Mr. Wren and ask if this young man might be considered an option for them…...the Braves have some good players left in their system. They have a few in the ML that could work. Just pick up the damn phone…..simple as that.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 29, 2008 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
etp_stl....I forgot to hit the reply button here....that comment was intended for you....stuff happens
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 29, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
Maybe its just me, but the Cardinals have absolutely no reason to dump Reyes. To dump him to another team now just because its the “right thing to do” is irrational. This kid was once the top pitching prospect in our organization. He is still young, cost controlled, and has options. Other teams are not going to give us a fair shake for him, and good, cheap young pitching is hard to come by. To say the Cardinals “do not want him” is untrue. To say they have said “they are trading [him] for 3 years running” is also untrue. Rather, they see no place for him on the major league squad at this time, and have placed him in the minors. He has done nothing recently to warrant a spot in the bigs, so they let him work out his problems with a consistent rotation spot in the minors. Is that such a terrible thing to do? Just because the Braves or another team would like to have Reyes on their team doesn’t mean we should give him to them. If they wanna blow us away with an offer, Mozeliak has said he could be had, but I’m sure that goes for just about anybody on the team not named Pujols or Wainwright. To give him away for nothing just because La Russa won’t hand him a starting job is dumb.
by stl522 on May 29, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you live iin St. Louis? Do you read the papers, listen to sports talk radio, FSN?
Read any of Bernie M. Joe Strauss, Derrick Goold? The Memphis Newspaper? Listen to Memphis sports? Dan, Al, Rick Horton? Um, yeah. They are all pretty open that Mr. Duncan doesn’t want him on the staff. Not just now-never. And yeah, they have said they are trading him for 3 years now. Except they don’t. They have some promising pitchers in the minors now, there is absolutely no reason to keep him around. His job is trade chip, so I guess they want him around for that. But they are taking a terrible risk that he might get hurt-than he’s worth less than he is now.
The rumor didn’t mention the Braves wanted him-I suggested them as a possible trade partner, because he fit at least a partial description of what they are looking for. Mr. Mozeliak really ought to see if he can get something here. He had a very nice spring; it was determined to not be good enough to be in the starting rotation. Fine. But they should have dealt him before they broke camp.
So I guess I it’s fair to say I disagree with most of what you have to say. I’m all argued out.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 30, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, you've got this wrong.
I agree that you don’t trade a guy because “it’s the right thing to do,” but that isn’t what is being talked about here. You have to look at this situation a little closer, and it is clear to anyone that follows the Cardinals that Reyes will never pitch for Dave Duncan again, period! Duncan doesn’t like flyball pitchers, and he especially doesn’t like it when one makes him look bad because he CAN’T convert to the groundball pitcher he wants him to be. Maybe there were things behind the scenes that happened between these two guys, but from the outside observer it seems like Duncan has taken it personally that the top pitching prospect in the organization has failed. He seems to be blaming Reyes for it, rationally or not.
I don’t take these things from quite the emotional perspective that jills tends to, but in this case there is no good business decision for keeping both Reyes and Duncan in the Cardinals organization. Tony re-upping made it abundantly clear that Reyes was the one that has to go. I think I would love to sit in a poker game with Dave Duncan, as he apparently has no idea how to play his Cards close to the vest. If he wanted this kid gone, then it shouldn’t have been carried out in the media. I’m not talking about the kid’s emotional state. It just simply made it impossible for the Cardinals to get value or better for him. They should have traded him after the World Series in ‘06 (hence jills 3 years reference). His value has done nothing but plummett since then. The Braves would be a good fit for Reyes, as the ballpark is huge and will hold in his flyballs. They also have more MIF prospects than most, so I would love to see this deal get made. At this point, if the deal brings ANY respectable prospect it probably IS a fleece deal.
Make the deal.
by etp_stl on May 30, 2008 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan hated the hell out of Woody Williams
and daily, I read about how he wants nothing to do with Todd Wellemeyer
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 30, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
I assume you are referencing the part about how Duncan doesn’t like flyball pitchers? It is a silly argument to make to try to convince anyone that follows the team that Duncan does not have a STRONG preference for groundball pitchers.
He and Woody didn’t particularly see eye-to-eye on pitching philosophy, and that was discussed while Woody was here. Not to mention he routinely shook off the game plan that Matheny and Duncan wanted. Woody did effectively use Duncan’s charts, and his results were very good. He was also a veteran pitcher, and that gave him leverage that a guy like Reyes won’t get.
The primary point that was being made was in response to whether or not Reyes will ever pitch in St. Louis again. He won’t as long as Duncan resides in the clubhouse. Since he won’t fish, you might as well cut bait. Do you disagree with that point, or were you just cherry-picking arguments you wanted to make?
by etp_stl on May 30, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.....
What gave Woody leverage, is the results he got.
by SoonerfanTU on May 31, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half right.
The veteran status did not do it by itself, but the fact that they couldn’t just shuttle him off to Memphis adds motivation to make it work. It does provide leverage, but if he didn’t provide results he wouldn’t have been here as long.
by etp_stl on May 31, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I"m not cherrypicking so much as noting that there are
several quite notable exceptions to the “Duncan hates ALL flyball pitchers” agrument. Wellemeyer was Duncan’s guy, too. Dunc ‘n Tony stuck him in the rotation, and kept him there even though he’s almost the opposite of the stereotypical Duncan pitcher. Woody was also a project that had middling results in a pitcher’s park, and flourished like crazy here. Stottlemeyer was their guy. Tony showed a lot of confidence in Ankiel before the implosion.
If Reyes had an ERA in the low 4s with the Cardinals, he’d be allowed all the damn flyballs he wanted. He’s obviously gotten off of his game, and Memphis is the best place for him right now, so that he can get his confidence back and actually recall how to get hitters out. So long as his game in Memphis is progressing, he belongs there.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jun 2, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not to say that there's not nothing to this Duncan/Reyes thing
but it’s being way, way way overblown. A tendency on Duncan’s part IS NOT a universal, hard and fast rule
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jun 2, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue with a lot of it.
I do think your argument about it being “tacky” doesn’t hold quite the weight with me. I know we tend to get too emotionally attached to the players, but it is a business. The players are business assets, and they should be dealt with in that manner. I don’t like it when players get there feelings hurt and express it in the media (No, I’m not saying Reyes has done that, as we both know he hasn’t).
I think that is one of my biggest issues with Duncan. I remember the Brett Tomko experience pretty well, and Duncan made public derogatory statements about the guy because he had the audacity to say that an old friend helped him correct his mechanics on the mound. He takes that shtuff personally, and I think that is unprofessional. Then, he (and his boss) express those feelings to the media, and that really irritates me.
I also don’t think it is necessary to take the irritation you have with Duncan and LaRussa over the situation to Mozeliak. He kinda had two poop sandwiches handed to him by LaRussa and Duncan in the Rolen and Reyes situation. He managed to feed one to the Blue Jays, and so far we have gotten the short end of the production straw there. Now, he is going to have to dump one of their leading pitching prospects because Duncan’s delicate sensibilities got ruffled. He managed to get some of the Edmonds contract removed, so for a first-timer he’s doin’ all right.
by etp_stl on May 30, 2008 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Mr. Mozeliak is the guy in charge.
I agree that players are assets, or at least they should be. But you can’t have your pitching coach and manager quoted as saying this guy is not good-which basically happened this spring-with scouts in attendance, in a national publication. They grudgingly allowed that he got results, made a few nice pitches, but really it wasn’t good. Mr. Mozeliak allowed this. I don’t recall anyone being reprimanded, do you? And through all of this, Reyes has said not one word. Not one. To be sure, he hasn’t pitched well here. That hurts his value. But the way the organization has handled his situation has lowered it even more.
Oh, my, I’ve been on a rant-page haven’t I. Sorry folks….
I don’t want anyone to think I’m not happy for Parisi and Jimenez. I am. I hope they both do well. I also hope if they don’t, that they are not put on the Memphis shuttle. Work with them to get them right, or trade them if it’s not going to work. Please don’t tell the media. Just take care of it quietly.
Over and out…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 30, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa said nothing but good things about Reyes
All of spring Training.
by Evilfrog on May 30, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and used him a lot out of the 'pen this season
including, early on, in some high leverage situations.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 30, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
LaRussa has not typically been the one disparaging Reyes, but he won’t go too strongly against Duncan’s pitching decisions. I don’t necessarily disagree with that as a philosophy. If you delegate a job to a person, then I think you live with the decisions that person makes or replace the person. You can offer some guidance, but micro-managing is always a mistake. He and Duncan have been together a long time, so he has obviously decided to live with Duncan’s decisions.
My problem on this matter has, and will always be limited to Duncan’s handling of the situation. It is the reason I said I disagree with jills taking the frustration out on the GM. If you are going to go that route, then skip all of the middle management and blame Mr. DeWitt for allowing this dissension in the ranks. Otherwise, go directly at the source of the issue; and that is Duncan. He’s the one who has been making snide and disparaging remarks to the media. He is the one who should have made it clear to the organization that he didn’t want anything to do with the kid, so the issue could have been resolved some time back.
by etp_stl on May 30, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Mr. DeWitt is the guy in charge.
I did see earlier where you did take umbrage with Mr. DeWitt, as well. That is fine, but I don’t think it is of value to take shots at a middle manager that has recently been thrust into the middle of a long developing fire-storm. He doesn’t have the tenure that LaRussa and Duncan have, and an intelligent manager will not immediately try to run rough-shod over such subordinates.
Mozeliak tried to make a point early in the season on this topic, but Reyes didn’t do his job well enough. He should have made it tougher for them to demote him. He has had opportunities to do that, but he hasn’t taken enough advantages of them.
Look, I think the treatment of Reyes by Duncan has been shabby, and I also think it ruined the value of a company asset. It is a mistake for a company to allow any employee to do that. That said, Reyes has been given opportunities of which he just hasn’t taken advantage. They had an opportunity to trade him while his value was very high (after the ‘06 World Series), but they didn’t do it. You can’t blame that on Mozeliak. Now, he must try to find some way to gain value for an asset that has been tarnished through poor performance and poor handling. Maybe he hasn’t done that particularly well just yet, but the trade deadline isn’t here, either.
by etp_stl on May 30, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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