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How our lineup stacks up by position

Since tonight's game was a real snoozer, I decided to sort through MLB.com stats to see how our starters are stacking up to their peers.   More specifically, I am looking at where our regulars rank amongst all NL hitters (100 AB's or more) at their position in OBP and SLG. 

Here's where they stand...

                              OBP                               SLG

Molina            7th of 14 catchers             8th of 14

Pujols             1st of 17                             2nd of 17

Kennedy         14th of 17                          17th of 17

Miles               8th of 17                            11th of 17

Glaus             3rd of 15                             13th of 15

Izturis              9th of 16                             14th of 16

Ludwick         3rd of 51                             1st of 51

Ankiel             13th of 51                            14th of 51

Duncan          15th of 51                            32nd of 51

Schumaker    18th of 51                            34th of 51

 

The only people in the bottom half in OBP are Kennedy and Izturis.  The only people in the top half in SLG are Pujols, Ludwick, and Ankiel.   Those 2 items may not be particularly earthshattering to many, but it is pretty telling.   Personally, I walk away with two main impressions.

First one is that the middle infield, to the surprise of few, severely limits the potential of this team.  Kennedy, in particular, continues to be a real drag on the offense.   When you put the first third of his season in context with last season, it looks very likely that what we see is what we get there.  Izturis provides solid defensive support to a pitching staff that very much requires it, but is still a fairly significant offensive liability.  In my opinion, we have received so far is probably pretty close to the best Izturis has to offer.   It's a fair item to debate, and CardsWin and others might disagree, but that is just my opinion.  And Miles, to his credit, continues to max out on his abilities by performing at something approaching an average performance at second.  I've personally banged that drum enough - his alleged versatility is an illusion, he hits for about as soft an average as anyone, etc...  In all fairness, he ends up being the best second baseman we have time after time.  It's to his credit really, though I am always reluctant to give it.  The point really is that if Aaron Miles is your most productive bat in the middle infield, you have a problem there, but maybe that shouldn't be held against Miles. 

On the flip side, the outfield has been a big part of our success thus far.  I'd place it 2nd in importance, right behind starting pitching, to the W-L record.   All four outfielders with 100 AB's or more are well within the top half in OBP.   Considering none of them cost much in terms of dollars, this unit has been a tremendous value.    Duncan has not performed as expected in terms of power (SLG), but outside of that I do not think any of this group has disappointed at all.   Sometimes I sense that people sell the bottom end of this unit (Duncan, Schumaker, Barton) a little short. 

I understand there are limitations with these guys.  I agree Ludwick needs to start every day right now.   I share the desire to find a taker for one of them so we can turn our surplus here into a middle infielder.   I am curious what Joe Mather would do with an opportunity too.  

Agree on all those points, but I don't understand how sometimes all this morphs into the vitriol and disgust that some hold against Duncan and Schumaker.   All of the 4 outfielders listed above are showing they perform at a level resembling league average for a starter, and they do it at a low cost.   There isn't anyone in this unit really dragging us down the way the middle infield is.  They each are providing a value to the club to varying extents, in my opinion.   I think we should keep our general agreement that an outfielder should be moved, and our arguments over which outfielder it should be, in that context.  

 

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Pretty well stated.

Unfortunately, the Duncan and Schumaker haters are probably not going to listen to you. Some of us have tried to use statistics and facts to prove that these guys aren’t as bad as some seem to think, but it hasn’t seemed to work against the blind irrationality of the so-called eye test.

No matter how you slice it, Ludwick and Ankiel need to start every day until proven otherwise.

While I would like to see Barton get more opportunities in LF when facing LHP, there is absolutely no factual evidence that says he would perform significantly better than what Schumaker has.

Schumaker has maintained an OBP in the leadoff role of around .360 all year. That’s pretty damn good, and that is without hitting particularly well against LHP. I listed a little while back that that puts him clearly in the top 3 OBP seasons from the leadoff role in the last decade of Cards baseball.

It would probably be best for Duncan to be sent down to Memphis to find his power back against lesser competition. Maybe that would appease the Mather crowd, but that seems to be a grass-is-always-greener type of argument. The guy is hitting well at AAA. Remember, John Gall ripped up AAA. He is no guarantee.

If we can move Duncan/Schumaker/Mather for a solid MIF, then we have to make that move. We’ll probably have to throw in Reyes just to move him. Fine. We’re heading into June, so the market should start to take shape in the next few weeks. We probably won’t really see anything happen until after the All-Star Break, though. Yea, we get to keep having these same arguments.

by etp_stl on May 28, 2008 7:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think an offense can only hide one really bad hitter (other than the pitcher in the NL) in the lineup and still be successful in the long-term, provided that the really bad hitter contributes in other ways, i.e. stolen bases, superior defense, etc. The line-up these days has at least one too many holes, and the biggest one is named Kennedy. I know this was supposed to be a rebuilding year, a “let’s see what we’ve got here” year, and so far it’s been far better than expected. The Cardinals have a chance to compete all season and perhaps make the playoffs, but to do so will require upgrades in the roster. Izturis stays because he is needed as a SS with great defense, the mix-and-match outfield is working thanks to TLR working the daily line-up like a sudoku puzzle, there is no upgrade for Molina, the corner infield positions are taken, and that leaves second base. Kennedy needs to go. He is a weak hitter and has no flexibility defensively (at least Lil’ Ol’ Miles is a player who can morph into a SS or even 3b in desperate times), and just doesn’t add value.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by palampe on May 28, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

luddy

in terms of the lineup, it seems that luddy’s performance is secondary to making sure all outfielders get some minimum number of at bats. kind of a nice theory in second grade recess, but this is for real and tlr needs to shed his original notion that luddy was signed to be a 4th-5th outfielder and so he will remain no matter what. doesn’t do any good to find a diamond in the rough, if you can’t see it for what it is. luddy needs to be regular until he plays his way out.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!

by sportsman on May 29, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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