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Game 45 Open Thread: 17th May, 2008

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     Matt Garza 2-1, 3.86           Wainwright 3-2, 2.95

 

I'm just going to make this thing the game thread, rather than have separate threads. Why am I doing this, you ask? Because, to be perfectly frank with you, I can't think of much of anything to say this morning, following that lifeless showing last night.

On the upside, Looper was pretty awful, but still managed to turn in a quality start. Everything he threw was mostly flat, mostly up, and mostly smacked. The defense played a nice game behind him, though, with a couple of very nice double plays, and Braden made a couple of good pitches when he really needed to. Really, it's tough to complain about the job that Looper did last night. It wasn't pretty, but it doesn't need to be. Loud outs are still outs.

The offense, on the other hand, was just putrid. After stranding 28 runners on the bases in the last two games of the Pittsburgh series, the Cards' offense was stymied by a starting pitcher who came in with an ERA over 5.00. Lb said last night this was just the sort of pitcher the Cards needed to see, a pitch to contact guy who averages 87 on his fastball. I would have been moved to agree with Mr. Boros, but apparently the local nine didn't get the memo, because they made Andy Sonnanstine look an awful lot like another soft tossing righty by the name of Greg Maddux.

What's worse than the Cardinals not hitting the guy, though, is the fact that they didn't even make him work all that hard. The plate discipline that we've all lauded the team for, even as they've struggled to capitalise on innumerable scoring chances, seems to have taken a significant downturn lately. I wonder if frustration isn't beginning to set in for our boys in red; a thought process of, "Well, taking pitches isn't working. I'm tired of losing and having to hear about all the missed chances in the game. I'll just make this happen myself." Wild swinging ensues.

Truth be told, the whole team just looks to be in a horrible mental funk right now. Whereas earlier in the season, even when the Cards lost, you felt as if they were in the game right to the end, the last week and a half's worth of games have felt more like the interminable contests of 2007, when even a two run deficit seemed utterly insurmountable, and we watched players seemingly imitate the undead on a daily basis.

It may be simplistic, but the issue really does seem to stem, at least to me, from the tough losses the team suffered in Colorado. In the eighth inning of the third game of that series, the Cardinals were riding a collective wave of confidence; two already in the bag, only six more outs to get a third, and go for the sweep with your ace on the mound. Forty five minutes later, they were staring at a loss. Eighteen hours later, two in a row. Since then, it's all been downhill.

You always hear talk of momentum in baseball from day to day being a myth, but I just don't buy it. While it's true that a single performance, (especially one of the pitching variety) can turn things around for better or for worse almost instantly, I think that a team riding so high, who fell so quickly and severely, can very well find themselves in a spiral, lasting multiple games. The fact that one of the longest tenured and most respected players in the clubhouse has been deposed of his end of game slot and disabled with a week old cut on his hand can't help, either.

Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's just a blip in an otherwise great season so far. Maybe the team just isn't all that good, and we're seeing now what we should have been seeing all along. But it doesn't feel that way to me. It feels as if, right now at least, this is a team playing scared, a team trying desperately not to lose the game, rather than trying to win. The overaggressive approach at the plate is a perfect example. The team has had a wonderful approach at the plate thus far this year, but the results haven't been quite as good as you would hope. Of course, a large part of the onus for the mediocre results falls on just a couple of players. Troy Glaus struggled badly early in the season, making the offense look worse than it was, as he consistently stranded runners day after day. Chris Duncan too, as his power seemed to completely desert him, and he struggled to make solid contact with anything. But still, the team as a whole was taking great at bats, getting on base, and doing pretty much everything right, in terms of at least creating the chances for run production.

Lately, though, the team looks desperate to score runs. They've abandoned the patient, grinding approach we saw so much of early in the season, in an attempt to hit the proverbial three run homer with the bases empty. We're seeing less walks, and just less patient at bats overall, because the players are playing with the thought in the back of their mind that they don't want to lose this game stranding a ton of runners the way they have so many other times. Like I said, it's a small difference, but the team just looks to be playing with a lot of fear right now. They're slumping, and they've lost their comfort level, and trying way too hard to make something happen in order to avoid another loss, rather than just going out, playing the game the way they did to begin the season, and trust that the game will reward them.

We did see one really great thing in the game last night, of course, and I would be severely remiss not to mention it. Well, two great things, actually; the continued excellent performance of Mike Parisi in his first taste of major league action qualifies as both surprising and tremendously heartening, in my book.

I speak, of course, of the debut of Chris Perez. Kid's had a pretty quick ride through the system, particularly by the standards of a team like the Cardinals, who err on the side of caution, (to the point of folly at time, to my eye) when calling upon minor leaguers to help out at the ML level.

Perez looked solid last night. He handled the pressure of his major league debut with aplomb. Even so, you could see he was absolutely amped up, and I think his pitch selection reflected it. He didn't throw a single slider until the fourth man of the inning, Mr. Evan Longoria-Parker, came up to bat. Perez tossed fastball after fastball in there, and still wasn't hit really at all. The first at bat of the inning, the Carl Crawford line out, Perez just pumped the heat, going 95.4, 95.4, 95.9, 96.5, 95.9, 94.8, and finally, on the pitch that Crawford hit to Kennedy, 95.8. Seven pitches, seven fastball, the slowest of them right at 95 mph. That right there is a pitcher just airing it out, trying to get through the butterflies, and just overpowering the hitter even as he does so. I wasn't surprised to see Perez pretty much stay away from the slider, and I wasn't surprised to see the ones he did throw come in there a little loose. The first one he threw to Longoria was a pretty good one, but it looked like the other two spun a little and didn't have the same kind of tight, hard break you usually see from Perez.

Even with him fighting to try and just get that first inning out of the way, Perez was, by far, the most impressive pitcher on the field last night. He can be overpowering in a way that you don't see very often. He's cut down on his walks this year significantly; let's hope that's a real improvement and not a mirage. If he really has gotten his control problems at least moderately in hand, Chris Perez could end up being a truly dominant closer for the Cardinals over the next several years. With him and Motte anchoring the back end of the 'pen, the Cardinals will have two flat out overpowering pitchers shortening games for them very soon. If they could just find one more guy, preferably left handed, they could even end up with an updated version of Cincinnati's old Nasty Boys bullpen of the early 90s. If they had only taken Leyson Septimo in the Rule 5 second round...

Anyway, today the Cards will see Matt Garza, the biggest piece the Rays received in return for Delmon Young from Minnesota over the winter. Garza is a pure power pitcher, capable of reaching 97-98 with his fastball at times. He's struggled somewhat this year with his control; he currently sports a 1:1 K/BB ratio. Still, he's incredibly talented. The Cardinals couldn't hit Sonnanstine's 87; let's see how they do against 97.

Seriously, guys, I'm really getting tired of watching you lose. How about you win this one today just for me, huh? You got Adam on the mound, looking to make amends for his last time out, and a pitcher with some control issues who should be a prime target for you to work some deep counts and some walks off of. You need to find that groove, and get back into it. No time like the present.

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Good God.

I preface this with, “I can’t think of much to say” and it still turns into a novel. What the hell is wrong with me?

All your failures are just training grounds.

by the red baron on May 17, 2008 4:53 AM EDT   0 recs

Novels are ok

I tend to do the same, mostly on mediocre points. (shrug). Hell, even last night’s overflow. A lot of echos to what you have today, though it’s a good thing. I don’t feel as if I’m the only one seeing it.

As far as your comment on a lefty, we do have Flores doing a bang up job in Memphis. K/BB rate better than Motte and Perez, nice toolset, can strikeout. Limited experience in the Majors with the A’s. Seems to have a lot better control as of late. Meaning, I think he’s growing into his role, which seemed to be an issue when he was with the A’s. Can do the LOOGY role, or a 2 inning stint. Can have a rough game every now and then, but has been overall very solid on a decently solid work schedule.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 8:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Flores

has had only one bad outing, everything else has been lights out.

by ridgesee on May 17, 2008 10:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

more of a novela, really

your posts/novels are enjoyable to read, so thank you. it is also enjoyable to have a 95-mph-throwing, nasty-slider-toting reliever in the fold. a possible nickname: Perez Dispenser.

by mdarshan on May 17, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You have to love

that “G D” fastball.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on May 17, 2008 12:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It was a good read.

Perez and Motte are going to be a lot of fun to watch

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 17, 2008 1:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nothing's wrong with you, baron

Your sentiments are exactly correct. The last week has been too much like 2007. They’ve lost their patience at the plate, with Skip’s plummeting OBP as exhibit #1. He needs to make quick corrections or, a few days off. Kennedy is also sinking fast. Today is a day they need Wainwright to step up big.

by vinniefromjersey on May 17, 2008 7:20 AM EDT   0 recs

One thing that bugs me

Skip was to be the first option in the lead off spot, but he was to earn it. April seems to have gifted him in there full time. Or just about. And it’s getting painstakingly old.

I didn’t agree with the Ludwick in the 1 hole when it was mentioned, but I strongly think that Ryan can be an option we should platoon into that role. I haven’t looked up stats, but he seems to have solid first sight plate appearances, and I don’t think that other teams have his number like they do Skips at the moment.

Glaus seems to be finding some form. I say this knowing that he was hot for 6 or so games when he was doubleitis mid April, but this time it feels different. Why? Because he’s going the opposite way and showing flashes of power when he does. Glaus started out so far in front of the ball that he’d average a homerun distance foul ball on almost every at bat, he’d slam it, but yank it.

Skip needs to feel the weight of the platoon more than anything at the moment. Barton needs more at bats, he’s already suffering from the heavy bench presence he’s getting. Ryan needs more looks, and you can make a real solid case when we’re facing a righty as Iz hitting from the left side frankly, sucks.

Lineup is getting somewhat predictable. I don’t mind that in itself, but it sucks when it’s two guys who aren’t doing their role very well overall. If anything, if someone has deserved some stability it’s Luddy, offensively and defensively.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 8:24 AM EDT   0 recs

Or last night

when Skip went through bat #2 hitting his DP, seeing how the first one was a DP ball should he not been the first batter up. Why not sub in Luddy then? He’s not a lead off situation anymore, he even represents the “power in 2” with the pitcher in the 8th spot.

They pull out Barton because they think he can’t field worth shit in the fourth, why can’t they pull Skip when it’s clear he’s not going to hit for shit? What did he do the rest of the night? Standard pop to center and a ground out.. to the pitcher.

Last night was probably one of the better nights to sit Ludwick when you look at style of pitching to be fair, but I’d like to see the two hotter bats involved against a team who is just as likely not to put up 7 runs or so.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 8:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why pick on Skip?

Nobody did diddly against that pitcher last night. Even Albert was 0 – 4.

The biggest problem I see is that this team has too many singles hitters. Once you get past Glaus and Albert there isn’t much there. Izturis, Kennedy and Miles can barely get the ball out of the infield. League pitchers seem to have found the holes in the swings of Ankiel, Ludwick and Duncan. Molina is having a good year, but he’s a slow catcher and really doesn’t contribute that much for scoring runs.

I watch other teams and see guys hitting frozen ropes in the gaps constantly. The Cardinals are hitting nothing but weak ground balls that occasionally find the hole in the defense and little flares just over the infielders heads. You’re not going to score many runs hitting like that.

by O'Fallon Park on May 17, 2008 9:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One, Duncan, Glaus and Looper all had reasonable games against that pitcher last night, so I wouldn’t say no one.

However, I’m not slamming a guy based on one day and I’m not even slamming on him to begin with. The issue is that the attitude was that there would be aggressive platooning for the entire OF with a bias on Rick in center, ALL of the OF has a case to make to start, none of them is playing awful.

Skip hasn’t really been apart of that platoon overall. Because of two issues I’m taking into assumption. One, the “need a leadoff” concept. I’m saying Ryan/Barton could make more of a buffer there, two because his streak of games mid to late April.

.317 .400 .436 .836 at the end of april
.278 .351 .384 .735 after last night

His OBP is .241 the past 16 games.

For a “leadoff” hitter that’s trending down, showing lack of patience and first pitch swinging (total change from April, by the way) he should not be an automatic in right and leadoff.

I like Skip, I have nothing against him. But his case for leadoff and almost an automatic slot in right is not based on performance, and that’s my issue

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 11:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're kidding yourself ....

if you think barton can produce at the big league level. No Way Jose!

by birdman3000 on May 17, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha!

we are kidding ourselves running Slappy McGrit out there to bat leadoff and expecting him to get on base.

by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Barton hasn't been given much of a chance

to produce. And when he has played he has been on base on a regular basis.

by KYCards on May 17, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nobody, but NOBODY

looks good when the entire team doesn’t hit…

I agree with O’Fallon that the Cards may be making a mistake by bunching their singles hitters; with Duncan/Ankiel/Ludwick in the 2-hole, that leaves you with Molina, AK, the pitcher, and Iz2ris at the bottom of the order. Don Tony might be better served with one of the singles hitters in that 2-hole, allowing a guy with more “pop” than Molina at #6.

With Garza (a righty) on the hill today, I’d like to see:

Skip RF
Kennedy 2B
Pujols 1B
Ankiel CF
Glaus 3B
Duncan LF
Molina C
Wainwright P
Ryan SS (but I expect Iz2ris in this slot)

Glaus and Duncan have been swinging the bat better (to my eyes) lately; taking “shorter” strokes to the ball.

Go get ‘em, boys!

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on May 17, 2008 10:17 AM EDT   0 recs

Skip is struggling

if he has to be in the lineup (I argue that he doesn’t), then bat him 7th.

by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

rationale above

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 11:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Feels like Ryan is in search of delegates or something.

I mean, he can make a case for not one, but two positions.

Batting for a guy who shouldn’t be batting righties and/or left handed.
Batting for a guy who’s done .200/.256/.250/.506 this month.

If I had to pick, I’d keep Kennedy in today, he splits on rights pretty well and would do well if he was back in the two hole, then again.. duncan has been clicking since being there.

Sigh, who knows – lol.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Close on today's lineup

with Miles getting some face time at 2B and Ankiel resting.

Skip RF
Miles 2B
Pujols 1B
Duncan CF
Glaus 3B
Ludwick LF
Molina C
Wainwright P
Ryan SS

Let’s see if Glaus and Duncan can stay hot while Albert starts a new streak

by ubeddie on May 17, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OOPS

Duncan in LF
Skip in CF
Ludwick in RF

That would be scary having Duncan in CF

by ubeddie on May 17, 2008 12:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sonnanstine

I feel like this guy deserves more credit than you and lboros have given him. The last few weeks he’s been putting some rather outstanding performances including a complete game shutout against the White Sox. His overall stats are a little deceiving because he’s been up and down, but he’s been a guy showing he’s more than capable of a game like last night. We just happened to catch him on one of those nights he was on and not off.

Also, random fun fact, but last year in his rookie season he put up some pretty solid K:BB numbers in 22 games (97:26).

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 17, 2008 11:38 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, Sonnanstine had a solid start last night and his 2007 peripherals were a lot better than his ERA (hi, Anthony!). What’s amazing is that he is the Rays’ #5 starter. I’m a Cardinals fan and this is a Cardinals blog, but the story of this series is on the other side of the field.

by greenback06 on May 17, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

right

The Rays have an amazing young pitching staff. I’ve been a fan of theirs for about 6 years (had to pick an AL team) and it’s been a ton of fun to watch their team grow.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 17, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Sonnanstine is not a bad pitcher at all. I watched him throw a complete game versus the White Sox earlier this year and he can be nasty. Much like all the Rays pitchers his problems are his youth and inconsistency.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 17, 2008 12:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

had the wierdest dream last night

Dunc went on an incredible hot streak and missed the the consecutive HR record by 2 games. I wish

At least he's better than Esteban Yan.

by jacksonian on May 17, 2008 12:00 PM EDT   0 recs

I've watched TWIB since I was a kid

and never before have I seen so little of the cards. Only the kicksave is all I believe I’ve seen this year. Ank should get some lovin, at least.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 12:06 PM EDT   0 recs

nothing this week either, but with our week, can’t blame them.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 17, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if

it will be a ghost town around here today. To all the VEBers at the game, I’m jealous as hell. Hopefully someone will stop in here and let us all know how the revelry is going. Drink a Franklin for us poor souls who can’t be there.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on May 17, 2008 12:19 PM EDT   0 recs

i should be around for most of the game

very jealous of everyone going. couldn’t make everything work to be there today. : (

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

591 row 12

I want to meet some vebers today dammit!!! I’m rocking a blue polo with garza 22 taped on the back

check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos

by Dttl89 on May 17, 2008 12:36 PM EDT   0 recs

He's there to strike out the monkey.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on May 17, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a man crush

on the Tampa pitching staff. Whoring myself out for a ball. Update from the park…
wainwright isnt looking too sharp :(

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by Dttl89 on May 17, 2008 1:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I certainly do

Have an iPhone. Looks like a high scoring game today. I was in 509 last night and saw pereZ. That fastball was sick. Jeff murphy looked as larue and just started laughing

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by Dttl89 on May 17, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not a one so far

:( I’m definitely not hard to miss. I’ll keep looking though. Wainwright looks like he’s settled down. As an aside….
Guy just turned down an Aaron miles autographed ball for 4 tix to 6 flags. I about died

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by Dttl89 on May 17, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

let's do it!

BE the stopper wagonmaker! BE the ace!

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:10 PM EDT   0 recs

paging VEBers

is this thing on?

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:14 PM EDT   0 recs

TLR loves damage in the 2-hole...

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 17, 2008 1:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Bloop

Why does it feel like Ankiel would have caught that?

by Evilfrog on May 17, 2008 1:17 PM EDT   0 recs

damnit

4 E for molina already, 2 this series.

yuck.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:18 PM EDT   0 recs

though that looked to be way more ryans fault than molina's to me

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 17, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

still gave it to molina. the receiving end of a throw almost never gets the E anymore.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yup

ryan should have had that.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 17, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

goddamnit

23 pitches already. bullpen is hurtin.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:20 PM EDT   0 recs

jesus

i’m used to those getting caught with ankiel and edmonds around.

COME IN SCHU!

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:22 PM EDT   0 recs

You know

I am really starting to think that Skippy isn’t the great defensive guy people keep telling me he is.

by Evilfrog on May 17, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

meh

it’s not really a defensive thing, he just chooses to play deeper unlike ankiel and edmonds.

i’m just used to those “base hits” being caught.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhh playing deeper (out of position) is part of defense...

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 17, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but

would you say the same thing if hits were going over his head?

by stlcardinalsfang on May 17, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If he's giving up 2 singles to catch 1 double, he's in the wrong spot

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 17, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and skip seems to get a lot of extra hits

And a lot of singles seem to turn into doubles when he is playing a corner position because he seems to shade thwards center.

by Evilfrog on May 17, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess they haven't heard about Yadi in the AL

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 17, 2008 1:23 PM EDT   0 recs