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Salute Your Colonel

I must have been sending lboros some telepathic waves yesterday because he set up the conversation nicely for me.  I was at the game on Wednesday night watching Todd Wellemeyer toss a gem.  It's a good thing he was pitching well because he can't bunt to save his life.  It's obvious he's not a good hitter so why he doesn't do bunting drills every day until he can consistently get the ball down, I don't know but his at bats were painful on Wednesday night.  But I digress. 

I'm not really sure when it happened but at some point in time, Wellemeyer learned to get his pitches across the plate. 

Time Frame Strike % Pitches
Pre-Cardinal 2007 58.8 3295
Cardinal 2007 63.2 1046
2008 64.3 891

Those are some pretty astonishing numbers.  He's throwing 5.5% more of his pitches for strikes now.  Just for comparison, Wainwright throws 62.2% of his pitches for strikes, Lohse 63.2%, Looper 62.4% and and Pineiro 63.4%.  Wellemeyer has made a significant change to his pitching skillset that I didn't think he was capable of.  If he throws 200-ish innings, it's probably around 3000 pitches for the season.  That's 165 pitches that were balls that are now strikes.

While his career walk rate is still over 5 per 9IP, it's easy to see the effect of all these extra strikes.  During his 2007 time with the Cardinals, he walked 4.10 per 9 -- something that I routinely scoffed at as a blip -- and now he's walking just 3.10 per 9.  His strikeouts haven't really gone up (sitting around 7 per 9) but the massive drop in walk rate has made him a much more efficient and efficacious pitcher.

The other thing that sticks out at me when looking at Wellemeyer this year is that he's essentially a two-pitch pitcher.  He's got a fastball and a slider that he throws 90% of the time.  He's got a changeup that fills in the last 10% but that's a remarkably low number for a third pitch.  Brandon Webb is often thought of as a two pitch pitcher but his fastball and second offering (a changeup) are still only 85%.  Wainwright's 1st and 2nd most common offerings (fastball & slider respectively) are only 75%.  So think about that: hitters know that they are getting one of two pitches -- and they still haven't been able to hit Wellemeyer (as lboros noted he has a .216 BAA).  Remarkable.

How this all came about, I'm not really sure.  I certainly didn't believe that Wellemeyer was capable of finding the command necessary to throw this many more strikes and reduce his walk rate as significantly as he has.  Many people will probably want to say that it's the influence of Dave Duncan; after all, one of his cardinal tenets is to throw strikes.  I'm reluctant to make that connection though.  Despite Wellemeyer's success, he isn't Duncan's typical reclamation type of success.  He isn't a groundball, two seam fastball pitcher.  Wellemeyer is more in the mold of Anthony Reyes -- a high riding fastball that generates predominantly flyballs.  Wellemeyer has become even more of a flyball pitcher than in the past this year too.  He's only generating 37% of his outs on BIP on the ground.  League average is probably around 42-44% but more importantly, Wellemeyer only has a .85 GB/FB ratio -- easily the lowest of his last 3 years.  That's not really the Dave Duncan path to success.

Maybe the Cardinals corrected a mechanical flaw.  Maybe Wellemeyer has started trusting his stuff more.  Whatever the reason, he's made a very real, measurable change to his skillset.  It even looks sustainable.

There's one small cautionary note that I want to sound here at the end.  The Cardinals have derived a great deal of value from Wellemeyer especially since he cost them absolutely nothing as a cost-controlled player acquired on waivers.  But he's not much more than a innings-eater on a contending team.   We've seen as many trash-heap pitchers fail under Duncan and LaRussa as we've seen succeed.  The Cardinals still need to find some pitchers that profile as front of the rotation if they want to be serious about having a good starting staff. While I laud the team for this specific pickup, I don't think it's a good long-term plan to use with their pitching staff.

 

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My last final exam

We have a program that takes control of your computer so that you can type out your final exams without cheating. Well, it was 2-1 on GameCast when I software took control of my computer. I walked out of my final and looked up the score. 11-5.

So much for my optimism about Izzy. It was clearly misplaced. A DL stint? DFA-ing him? It’s sad that the core of our squad-Jimmy, Rolen, Izzy-has deteriorated right before our eyes. It’s tough to watch.

Let the Chris Perez era begin.

As an aside, are the “Colonel” t-shirts on order?

by bgh on May 16, 2008 8:28 AM EDT   0 recs

not only right before our eyes but literally instantly....it just seems like 04 was just yesterday.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on May 16, 2008 9:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lohse may miss Sunday start

It just keeps getting better and better. Lohse is hurting.

Lohse skipped his usual between-starts bullpen session on Thursday, a result of some shoulder soreness that has plagued him for a couple of weeks. He still intends to make his next start, but the Cardinals are preparing for the alternate possibility by not using rookie Mike Parisi. If Lohse can’t go, Parisi will get the start.

Shoulder soreness plaguing him for two weeks, yet we grind him out. Granted, it doesn’t discuss the severity of the shoulder soreness, but isn’t this a disturbing pattern? I suppose this helps explain his ineffectiveness. But, if LaDunc knew of his soreness, why trot Lohse out there to get whacked around after demonstrating that his injury is enough to limit his effectiveness?

Sorry to double-up on the opening comments and also sorry if this has already been addressed.

by bgh on May 16, 2008 8:39 AM EDT   0 recs

I don't know soreness is very vague..... you know 99% of MLB pitchers experience this..

It is just hard to tell to what degree and it’s up to the pitcher to tell the training staff if the soreness is mroe than standard soreness

by ICbirdfan on May 16, 2008 10:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pitchers get sore...

...The issue becomes if they’re injured.

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by redbirdnation8206 on May 16, 2008 12:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting

I am certainly not a drinker of the Dave Duncan Kool-aid, but I am having a hard time not attributing the success of Welley to the influence of Duncan.

Just because Todd doesn’t follow the usual pattern of DD reclamation projects does not necessarily mean Duncan didn’t equip him for the success he is currently having. Does Wainwright follow the Duncan mold exactly, or did Carpenter? I don’t think they did, yet both of them are effective and part of that can be attributed to Duncan.

I guess ultimately we don’t know because there is no objective way to see what turned Todd around. It just seems to me that the pitching coach would have SOMETHING to do with any pitcher turning it around.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on May 16, 2008 8:51 AM EDT   0 recs

duncan

i feel the same way. i am going to assume duncan had at least some part in it until i hear otherwise…and i am not an especially big fan of d.duncan. i thought i read tony/dunc asked welly to take a few mph off his fastball to gain a little more control. i dont think him not getting groundballs means dunc had nothing to do with it. dunc commented last year that he wanted pineiro to throw his four seam fastball more. when a reporter questioned why he wasnt having pineiro switch to the two seam, dunc replied that pineiro’s best pitch was the four seam fastball so that is what he wanted him to establish.

by dmb60614 on May 16, 2008 9:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Can't wait

to hear Jon Miller say ‘on the hill here in the ninth, Cards new closer Chris Pay-rez’.

by paposse on May 16, 2008 9:02 AM EDT   0 recs

What Duncan preaches

1 – throw first pitch strikes
2 – throw strikes also on the inside
3 – throw the ball down
4 – pitch to contact and let your defense take care of that, to keep the pitch count down.

This fits very well with groundball inducing pitches, like the 2seamer, but can work also with different pitches, as long as you’re not giving HRs away.

With Wellmeyer I believe that the real difference is the game plan, that let him tap the stuff he has effectively.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on May 16, 2008 9:16 AM EDT   0 recs

Damn straight

I love how people seem to have this idea that Duncan is the only pitching coach who preaches “down in the zone” pitching. He’s not.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 16, 2008 12:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Where did I say that he's the only one?

I simply collected what he preaches, never spoke about somehing exclusive.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on May 18, 2008 9:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty much so, I'd say

The phrase “pitch to contact” wasn’t around until more recently, but this has been more-or-less the received wisdom I’ve heard since I started paying attention in 1969.

though I don’t think Seve’s saying otherwise.

On rule 1: even outliers w/ fantastic Nolan Ryan/Doc Gooden stuff profit greatly from first pitch strikes. I think Bill James published something illustrating that in the ‘80s. I think it belongs at the top of the list and isn’t subject to caveats and qualifiers, though rules 2-4 are to some extent…for some pitchers…in a few situations…with the moon in the right phase.

On

by random on May 16, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Edmonds and Zambrano

I still love Jimmy baseball and I expected him to be nice with Z, but a hug with Zambrano? Is nothing sacred?

That 2004 two-game series in July has to be my all-time favorite two Cubs-Cards games (box and box). The Rolen/Edmonds HRs and the Z frustration the first night and the Albert 3-HR, 7-1/8-2 comeback in the second game, including a So Taguchi homerun in the 8th. And talk about long relief, where have you gone Cal Eldred? We could use you now, make a second comeback!

by enoscountry on May 16, 2008 9:19 AM EDT   0 recs

I THOUGHT was Carp pitching that game

I was actually at a good Cards/Cubs game! hahha. I remember Carp grabbing Sosa on Sosa’s way back to the dugout. “Better get hold of your boys.”

by sdrone on May 16, 2008 9:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

July 20, 2004

I was at the game with my mom. Still the most fun I’ve ever had at Wrigley Field.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~8-year-old Greg

by ChiTown CardFan on May 16, 2008 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a Post Dispatch article on this topic today

It tries to make it sound like everything is hunky-dory—they shook hands and are ready to play nice together. Then it contains this little gem of a quote from Edmonds:

“There are guys out there who hate each other more than he and I do”

I literally laughed out loud.

by Ray Lankford on May 16, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That was a tremendous series

The family was up in Iowa City visiting some old friends. I.C. is solid Cubs territory as far as I can tell, so watching that whole debacle in Cubbie land felt awesome.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 16, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

iowa city.........

Cubs town for sure… lots of students from the windy city burbs…...

Durning 05 WS there were lot’s of Sox’s hats that came out as well.

IC Has a pretty good redbird following though. There are some Cardinal bars

by ICbirdfan on May 16, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good post AZ

I’ve been skeptical of Wellemeyer as well but have also noted the improvement he’s made in his ability to throw strikes. He misses bats as well as any pitcher on the roster and has made substantial improvements in his strike % and walk rate.

The trouble I have w/ people connecting this to Duncan is this—some will try and characterize Wellemeyer’s improvement to Duncan, thereby taking the credit away from Wellemeyer. However, when pitchers fail under Duncan, they tend to say “(insert pitcher) was too hard-headed, stubborn … and therefore, Duncan couldn’t help him.” In other words, if a pitcher succeeds, it’s b/c of Duncan. If a pitcher fails, it’s the pitcher’s fault. Logically, this is fallacious.

I’m not saying Duncan has had no impact on Wellemeyer. For whatever reason, Wellemeyer has taken to hearing Duncan’s message and has made the correct improvements. Did Duncan tell him anything other pitching coaches didn’t? I doubt it. He’s not a wizard. My guess is that getting released by the Royals had more of an impact on Wellemeyer than anything any pitching coach has ever said to him. I imagine it humbled him and he decided to start listening to pitching coaches or he’d be out of baseball forever. The Cards happened to be the beneficiary but the credit goes to Wellemeyer.

by houstoncardinal on May 16, 2008 9:57 AM EDT   0 recs

that's the problem with this board....................

Duncan is should never get all the credit nor all the blame. It’s like since the Reyes debacle this board has been going back and forth…........ You got people who blamed Dunc wayyyyyyyyy too much for Reyes being crapy and you had people trying to defend Dunc wayyyyyyyy too much saying that it was 100% Reye’s fault for being awful….........

It’s a 50/50 thing all the time. The coach tries to put players in positions to succeed and the players need to perform.

by ICbirdfan on May 16, 2008 10:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sometimes it is not the message itself

But how it is communicated. I was listening to Billy Ripken on XM the other day and he mentioned that oftentimes the message is the same from most coaches. What he said was that the different ways that coaches communicate that message help or hurt how it is received. I found this statement to be true in my own life and can easily see how it would apply to ballplayers as well.

by indakind on May 16, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The biggest message Wellemeyer got

was “b/c you can’t throw strikes, the Kansas City Royals don’t want to fool with you anymore. Learn how to throw strikes or go get a real job.” He, wisely, heeded the message.

by houstoncardinal on May 16, 2008 10:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You may be right

Or you may not be. Both the pitcher and the Cards front office and coaching staff deserve credit for his turnaround. Wellemeyer deserves the lion’s share of the credit because it is his ability and execution but you cannot just dismiss the work of th front office actually picking him up and the coaching staff for helping him stick.

I don’t understand your reluctance to give any credit to Dunc. Other pitching coaches had a shot at this guy and could not make it work. Yes being released by the Royals probably “woke him up” but to deny Dunc any credit is, in my opinion, wrong.

by indakind on May 16, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Wellemeyer does deserve the most credit because he is succesfully executing his game plan.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 16, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you actually read HC's post?

HC:

“I’m not saying Duncan has had no impact on Wellemeyer. For whatever reason, Wellemeyer has taken to hearing Duncan’s message and has made the correct improvements. “
You:
“I don’t understand your reluctance to give any credit to Dunc.”

There seems to be a disconnect here.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on May 16, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree vehemently...

Who lobbied to pick up Wellemeyer? Duncan.

Who converted him to a starter? Duncan.

Now I can’t find the article(I looked all morning) but in a recent interview/post article about the Col. he credited Duncan and said something to the extent when he goes out there he doesn’t want to dissapoint Duncan and he knows Dunc is behind him 100%. So Wellemeyer even gives him credit.

I am not saying Duncan is responsible for his success because like I said yesterday the pitcher has to execute the plan.

I don’t know why a large faction here want to string up Duncan like a piniata and hand out sticks?

He is a good pitching coach. Good enough to at least be consiered one of the best.

How about Loop? No love for Dunc on that one? He has wrung a nice amount of succes out of two middle relief guys that never would have been more than that anywhere else.

Come on. Give a hand for Dunc. And for that matter the Col & Loop.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 16, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Great post.

by SoonerfanTU on May 16, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Speculation

Perez did not pitch in last night’s 12 inning game at Memphis.

Mather hit a walk off homerun and Barden went 3-6.

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by stltrav09 on May 16, 2008 10:16 AM EDT   0 recs

And

there was a save situation for Perez in the ninth that was blown, necessitating all that awesome free baseball. I’m looking forward to seeing him pitch tonight at Busch.

by liam on May 16, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Credit to . .. Yadi?

A good receiver is worth something.

Also I give the Colonel his due. He’s come into his own with a new organization, new teammates, and a new coach. It’s probably a combination of all.

by gocards62 on May 16, 2008 10:22 AM EDT   0 recs

It's a team effort.

The catcher and pitcher execute the game plan from the pitching coach.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 16, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but

A good catcher is worth his weight in gold. Sure the pitching coach comes up with the plan, but the catcher’s gotta, heck, remember it correctly, execute it, and if the situation calls, adjust on the fly. That’s the reason a lot of people (me included) think Rick Ankiel may not have freaked out back in ‘01 if Mike Matheny hadn’t darn near cut his own thumb off with a hunting knife.

The catcher’s gotta be a best friend, psychologist, coach and crazy ex-girlfriend all at one time for the pitcher.

by Jhusk on May 16, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

you meant to say “sane, supportive ex-girlfriend.”

by spants on May 16, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I meant a crazy ex-girlfriend

Keeps you from making the same mistake twice.

by Jhusk on May 16, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In my experience

people are ALWAYS making that mistake twice. :)

by spants on May 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also

i think wellemeyer drinks that new tiger woods drink, so let’s give some credit to the gatorade company.

by baw on May 16, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Isringhausen

I know that he is struggling right now. Most of you feel that maybe he shouldn’t take the ball the rest of the season. I agree that he is not getting the job done, and cannot be trusted to pitch in almost any game.

But reading the quotes out of this guy, you have to feel sorry for him. He sounds like a man who is broken, who literally has no answers to his troubles. You can tell that he’s more upset at himself than anybody else. I just feel terrible for the guy.

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by Mr Redbird on May 16, 2008 10:47 AM EDT   0 recs

I do feel sorry from him

but I also feel sorry for the 24 other guys who are putting the team in a position to win and are being let down. Izzy just isn’t good right now. This isn’t a debate on fan etiquette or if we should boo or not, its a personnel issue. TLR needs to stop running the guy out there in high leverage situation.

He goes out there to hold a one run lead. How is that any different from what he faces in the ninth???? Its inexplicable that Izzy would be thrown in that situation again so quickly. Let him do mop up work and bullpen sessions, or just disable him and let him work completely on the side. Basically Tony, do the opposite of whatever you want to do.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on May 16, 2008 10:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

of course, from should be "for"

i now have more typos in the past 24 hours than Izzy has blown saves…in his career.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on May 16, 2008 11:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do feel sorry for him.

He’s done and he knows it. That’s a hard pill to swallow when all you know is baseball and all of a sudden you realize you just can’t cut it anymore (no pun intended).

I blame TLR for continuing to put him out there. I think after the 06 playoffs, Tony feels like he can make any move and it will go right.

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by stltrav09 on May 16, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what about

The No play by Glaus on the throw? He didn’t even look to make an attempt at stopping that ball from going by him.

by Evilfrog on May 16, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When you're momentum is going towards the base

and the throw is 3 feet in the direction you just came from, that’s a pretty impossible play to make. Especially when you’re expecting to get the throw and hopefully fire it to 1st for a double play.

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by stltrav09 on May 16, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Impossible play to make......

He was moving to the outside of the bag, ball was thrown behind him, and he would have probalby been taken out and possibly broken a leg if he tries to go back into the path of the baserunner. It only looked bad in slow motion but if you have ever played 3B you would realize that ball would have been nearly impossible to stop.

Izzy needed to set up and step and throw. He just rushed the play and made a bad throw

by ICbirdfan on May 16, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Had he made that play it would have been the #1 web gem.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 16, 2008 12:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It almost seemed

that Izzy was gripping the ball tighter and tighter as things went awry…

I’m sure Don Tony was thinking, “He had a good outing yesterday; here’s a chance to give him another good outing in a tight ballgame. That will get him that much closer to being ‘back on track’.” Sadly, it didn’t work, and now the problem is worse than it was before last night’s game.

According to Joe Strauss in the P-D, Izzy would be willing to go to Memphis to pitch for a while:

The admission coincides with a potential roster move today involving the franchise’s career saves leader, who left open the possibility Thursday of accepting a minor-league assignment to recapture his missing mechanics and confidence without compromising the bullpen’s integrity.

“I’m out of answers. I’m out of excuses,” Isringhausen said. “We’ve just got to go to the next step, whatever that might be. I don’t have any answers. I expect probably an answer tomorrow when I get here. We’ll go from there.”

The problem with DFA-ing Izzy is the possibility that somebody would claim him on waivers… there are a bunch of closers blowing saves in the bigs right now!

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by The Ol Goaler on May 16, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

silly rules question

but as a 10-5 guy, does he have to waive his no-trade clause to be put on waivers? Or can he just waive it conditionally?

At this point, we still owe him $6M+ this year. I wouldn’t be terribly opposed to letting someone else pay that and putting it in the bank for next year/deadline pickup.

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by SleepyCA on May 16, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That small effort by Glaus

and also the HR looked catchable if played right, certainly didn’t help.

by ridgesee on May 16, 2008 11:15 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah I saw the replay

and I’m not sure he could have caught it had he played it perfectly, but Duncan was a good 5-10 feet away from where the ball crossed the fence before he realized he was in the wrong place. He just looked awful on that play, though it may not have made a difference.

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by Mr Redbird on May 16, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

in comparison to Ankiel's play

In my mind, I pictured Ankiel’s catch, and that made Duncan’s play more painful, somehow. Ankiel had to make a last second adjustment, but had put himself in position to make the play. Duncan often doesn’t do that on balls hit over his head. He sometimes looks good on balls at the edge of his range he doesn’t need to go back on and can take a straight line to because he hustles. That’s to his credit.

by random on May 16, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When you're relying on your defense to save home run balls and catch throws off by 10 feet...

You’re not pitching/playing well.

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by joker24 on May 16, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When does Tony keep putting him in high leverage situations?

Izzy was the designated closer prior to his last two outings. The first one was not high leverage, the second one was more high leverage. Perhaps Tony made a mistake in sending Izzy out there yesterday. Maybe he realized that he shouldn’t do that again in the near future.

Now, if you are talking about Tony sending him out when he was still the closer, based on his track record (especially how he performed last year), since he wasn’t hurt, and since he was still effective in many of his appearances, I don’t really have a problem with Izzy not being demoted sooner.

I don’t know what to do with Izzy now, but he really has no place on this team if he can’t pitch at all with a small lead. We can’t keep paying a guy so much for being only a mop-up guy or DLing him with a phantom injury, yet he is being paid WAY too much money to just get rid of him since, IMHO, he still has talent.

by saladdays on May 16, 2008 11:38 AM EDT   0 recs

limiting pitch counts

Do Tony and Dunc keep these guys on any specific leash? Especially Welle and Looper – guys who are still conditioning their arms to starting?

I just can’t see any reason why they would’ve trotted Wellemeyer out for the eighth inning Wednesday night. Take his scoreless 7 and run.

‘Course, TLR has to be frightened out of his brain at the thought of bringing anyone out of that bullpen in right now…

by Pitchers Hit Eighth on May 16, 2008 11:47 AM EDT   0 recs

TLR is frightened?

Hell, I’m frightened and I’m watching Gameday from 1000 miles away…

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by TBender on May 16, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hehe

Me too. I know Peneiro had that big inning. But I was just thinking. No no. Leave him in.

by Evilfrog on May 16, 2008 12:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with several other posts

...that stated Tony’s decision to pull Jo-el after only 5 IP was pretty much the deciding factor in the game. It was a huge gamble since it forced 4 innings onto our shaky and overtaxed bullpen, and Tony KNEW it would mean Izzy would pitch at least 1 inning in what was still a 1-run game at the time. He took the chance, and we got burned. Badly.

That was a bad call. He didn’t put the team in the best position to win with that move. This is one of those rare times I would have preferred he keep the starter in there longer.

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by Mr Clean on May 16, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe.

And this is just me intrupting the situation; that Tony thought the game wasn’t going to go many more innings before a long rain delay/called game. And wanted the runs.

I could be way off in left field (or right field, depending on what level of baseball you play it.)

by Evilfrog on May 16, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

any word on Izzy up there yet?

i saw in the post this morning that he may be deisgnated or put on the injured list, but havent seen anything yet…

by UNCDubya on May 16, 2008 11:56 AM EDT   0 recs

he is going to see a doctor today

If he goes to the DL we should hear of someone showing up from Memphis before the game tonight. At least I would hope so. Anyword on what Perez is doing today?

by Evilfrog on May 16, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

And then I woke up

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by Mr Redbird on May 16, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

perez..

wasn’t getting on the flight with duncan was he?!?

by Evilfrog on May 16, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Giants could use some left-handed power.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on May 16, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Cards could use some left-handed power

And seeing as they have a guy who can provide it, why trade it away?

Dave

by SydneyDave on May 16, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How many people think

the cardinals are a good team going through a funk? It seems to me this year much more than in the past that the cards are losing games that they are suppose to win. It is a disturbing trend to me and I wonder if the damage is too much to come back from. I am pretty sure we should have about 4 more in the win column

Losing is a disease

by ANDYAK47 on May 16, 2008 12:00 PM EDT   0 recs

funk.........

Not too worried as they right there toward the top. All teams go throw this, remember a week ago when the Cubbies could not win on the road? It happens time to time in a 162 game season

by ICbirdfan on May 16, 2008 12:03 PM EDT to parent up