Game 43 overflow
by lboros on May 15, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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Printzotz 'em inside. catch the damn ball. score some more runs. c'mon, let's beat these bums and go pound the budweiser.
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~8-year-old Greg
by ChiTown CardFan on May 15, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Coincidence?
Is it me or was it weird that we gave up 3 runs after Edmonds got his first basehit for the Cubs?
it's not you...
is it also coincidence that it’s a rainy, dreary day in StL when Edmonds first plays for the Cubs? I think not.
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
but we survived.
We’re going to be ok, i think.
Was there thunder in the background when it happened, like in the movies?
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
WHEW
Alright…bring on the rain.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
COME ON RAIN!
I have a bad feeling about this one
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PUT SKIP ON THE BALLOT!!!
need more ooga ooga
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
ok.
ooga ooga ooga ooga and some cowbell.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 15, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i have a fever
and the only cure is more cow bell
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
Starting pitcher only gives us 4IP
DRINK
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
joel went 5 right?
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 15, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops
Yeah. Okay, don’t drink.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I drank already...
and I dont wanna give it back
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
You may be giving it back
with the Cards’ bullpen getting work already.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
this drinking game is turning into something pretty bad.
I’m concerned that St. Louis is going to take a pretty big hit. News Anchor- “The city of St. Louis lost 255 million dollars after the Cardinals strand 30 players in a 10 inning game. No word as of why this happened, but a drinking game is cited as a possible reason.”
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
how would the city lose money?
just wondering…
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
loss of workers.
If people are wastyfaced., they can’t work.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well,
they can’t work as WELL, usually.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
they would buy lots of alcohol though...
boost some businesses, like that dude in the chicken suit. “cheap cheap, fun fun”
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
Remember kids-
The more she drinks, the better you look. God, what a horrible tagline.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah.
but he can still get the win.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 15, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he's playing the rain
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The book is out on Barton
he’s getting all fastballs
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dready stizzle!
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by dangpenguins on May 15, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
why does snoop dogg use an umbrella?
fo drizzle
I’m sorry, LB please don’t ban me!
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
bleeotch
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on May 15, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Some goodnews
LA is whooping on the brew, at least the 3 for 4 series didn’t jump start them any
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
wow
home runs off of Sheets in the same inning, from Andruw Jones, Jeff Kent and Gary Bennett!
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
and the royals
could sweep the Tigers for the second time in a row.. lol, wow.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a Gary Bennett sighting!
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
gary bennett?????
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 15, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Gary Bennett only hit homers off of the Cubs
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
Is Game day off
or is K-Mac getting some shit ball calls?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
shit calls back to having shitty HP umps
they’re working on the mound right now. Take your time boys
the dirt is....
getting tacky and it effecting the landing area of the pitchers. the put some drying agent down and raked it out
Sometimes baseball
is really funny. NFL plays in the rain, but when a bit of dirt turns into mud in baseball, HOLD THE PHONE. We need drying agent, or the pitcher may not land well.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
for that reason
I mock baseball, even though it is one of my favorite games. Wussies.
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
have you ever tried playing baseball in the rain?
Football/Soccer is fun in the rain, baseball not so much. football/soccer is played on all grass and running in mud is just pointless.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
and they have people
trying to hit them as hard as they can every play, and they usually get slammed to the ground 2-5 times per game by a 300 lb defensive lineman…
Seriously, are you implying QBs are softies?
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
my roommate
just drank irish car bombs all the time… never heard him talk about eating dead…
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
yea. but it wont work the next morning.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
we work on speed and endurance in practice....
plus im quite agile…...running is always the best policy in the morning and if done correctly she would not have my real name…or where i live…or what i drive
lol.
Note to self…do not “know” poohrat.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, one of those.
My roommate in college was the captain of the rugby team, he bashed on football all the time. I think you guys are just jealous that football is so much more popular in this country. :-)
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
no im from the states actually learned.....
how to play football in Texas. After playing rugby you start to hate the specialization of football and the lack of continuity oin the game. I especially hate the commericals…...and we only eat the ones we didnt like we send floating wooden barges down the river and light it on fire for our heros that die
no
Im implying that they arent landing from a hill on a foot that was above thier head with all of their weight.
which is somehow more physically punishing
than getting thrown to the ground by a 300 pound man? I’m not buying it. I’m not saying that they can’t/shouldn’t get injured, I’m saying that saying that it’s not as difficult/punishing as football
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
...have you ever tried to pitch in the mud?
I honestly doubt it if you think it’s easy to do.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
never said it was easy
never said that they shouldn’t put drying agent on the mound, never said most of these things that you guys are defending.
what I’m saying is that a pitcher is not required to be as tough as an NFL quarterback, 6 days off or 4, mud or dirt, sun or rain.
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
And
what everyone else is saying is that it isn’t about toughness. It’s about the ability to repeat the delivery safely and effectively and the difficulty that a mound of mud presents when trying to do that.
NFL QBs have a week to get over pulled muscles. MLB pitchers have 1-4 days.
and
And they aren’t bring thier leg down from above thier head.
these are the comments to which I was responding. I took these comment as saying “yeah, everyone says NFL QBs are so tough, but THEY don’t have to play as often/land on their leg”
I think it was reasonable to read into that statement an implication that NFL QBs are somehow weaker/less vulnerable than MLB pitchers, which is the point I tried (unsuccessfully, evidently) to refute.
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
I
said that because a simple pulled muscle can tweak an MLB pitcher’s performance in a way that it won’t with a QB. QBs play with broken fingers and thumbs; they are tough. MLB pitchers are “tough” too, I’m sure, but toughness isn’t really what the job requires.
misunderstanding
maybe what they say about “7% of communication is verbal” is true? haha..
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
No
but their targets are a little bigger than an MLB pitchers. And I’m assuming a QBs throwing mechanics are simpler. The bottom line is that if a pitcher starts compensating, they can throw off their mechanics, leading to injury or fat pitches.
If a QB tweaks a muscle because his foot didn’t plant, he’ll get over it. An MLB player can turn that into a nagging, over-compensating injury.
+
the fact that nfl (at least starts) with all players on the grass, the mound and what the pitcher is doing has no true comparison in nfl.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
I just can’t think of any other professional sport that worries so much about weather. Or, even the occasional bug.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Apples and oranges
Baseball has the most regular season games of any professional sport. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Recommended summer reading
The Meaning of Sports, by Michael Mandelbaum. Baseball is a pastoral sport, harkening back to our agrarian past…
nice. I'll look it up.
I’m going to be on a 26 hour flight on Tuesday, so I do need some new literature.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
china, or aussie?
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Man I could really go for 81 pounds of rice right now.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Stephen Colbert.
talking about the rice rationing at Wal Mart.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet
Done the aussie trip quite a few times, that trip can be harsh. Props to Quantas and Air Canada though, make it bearable.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
26 hours!
Better pick up Pitching around Fidel. Really underappreciated book.
And if you haven’t read Ball Four, referenced by Larry in this overflow thread, it’s a classic easy read.
YES
That could’ve been disastrous.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
let me check this just one more time....
am i dreaming? or is Jim Edmonds playing for the Chicago Cubs?
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
It's not a dream.
It’s a nightmare.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We need runs
I don’t trust the pen when the weather is perfect, let alone during this
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
or a lot of rain
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ahahaha Shannon interviewed chris moneymaker
and he said he had a “knack” for poker….he’s the biggest donkey walking god’s green earth.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Jiminy jillickers...
Shannon is STILL talking about his garden. I want to know what his “special fertilizer” is…
by mattisnotfrench on May 15, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
on second thought
maybe we don’t wanna know
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
i was going to post the same thing
“this time, the ERA is on you, kid”
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been watching the radar
This one isn’t getting rained out. The heavy rain is to the north. I doubt if we’ll see anything stronger than what is currently falling.
well then
we gotta hold ‘em and crank some homers
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
why is there a car alarm in your apartment complex?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
to make sure no one steals the apartment complex.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
man, I always get the car alarms when I’m very hung over and sleep deprived
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Comeon Flores
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
edmonds
i’m crushed…it’s weird his first game for the cubs is against the team that just cut him…think busch will boo him when he comes to st. louis
I'd say he'll have a tempered response.
I don’t see our fan base booing, though we all know we want to.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That being said, he won’t earn the cheers I’d almost bet he would have gotten when he was with the pads
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
edmonds.
i wonder what it is like, to sell part of your soul for baseball.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
Just hope he
finds out what september slumber is all about. Maybe we can send post cards in Oct.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
the thing that pisses me off
is that you know part of the reasons the cubs did it was to screw with our heads
Personally
I think he’s chasing a ring and on paper they seem to be a contender. Which is why I also think he was so willing to go to the Pads in the off season.
I don’t see him leaving if we had a reasonable chance for Oct play, but that’s just me.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
- money + ring
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He did say
his years in St. Louis were the best in his life. For what it’s worth.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
its baseball
its his life, play as long as you can till no one wants you anymore
the cards got rid of him, he didnt get rid of the cards
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on May 15, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
umm
he told them to trade him when he was told that he would have a diminished role in our OF.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on May 15, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
compared to the hell he got with the Angels
I can see why, one team bashes your excellent plays, the other cheers. That’s all he has to base on so far
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It was hard enough
to see him leave the cards, I do not think this will ever sink in
Losing is a disease
exhale...
Are they trying to see if they can leave more men on base than Us. Because if they are. It’s on.
I noticed
the Birds have been stuck on 8 for a while.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
don't wanna hear about Edmonds right now
I think we’ve exhausted the subjuct
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
I'm in "bullpen" denial
If I ignore it they’ll succeed (crosses fingers)
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
right after I typed that, I realized there’s not a whole lot else going on right now
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Random answer
No. He eats children.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's going to round 2 with the govt. soon
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
- I don’t like the guy, I just think it’s strange no one has picked him up.* ***
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet he'll need a
Bail BONDSman (please don’t throw the tomatoes.)
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB is in clensing mode
And while others are around the ‘roids issue, the situation with the federal gov doesn’t help his cause
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Eye Glaus
after that first strike, glad he kept watching, they were close
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
Will Bonds get to choose his inmate number? Can it be the same as his jersey?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Glaus is seein it well.
laying off pitches that are barely out of the zone.
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maybe he sees better in the rain
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on May 15, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
the rain probably knocks down the pollen count
I guess…
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
2 on, no out.
Get. Some. Runs.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
I would soooo bunt with AK here.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Bunt 'em over, then put Studwick in.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
lets see how on fire glaus really is
steal third
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles is on deck
if you bring in Ludwick, they just walk him.
Ok AK is out.. now bring in Lud
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Edmonds v Rodriguez
This blows my mind:
J Edmonds will make $290K playing for the Cubs for the rest of the year.
A Rodriguez makes $173K per game.
I know the Jimmy thing has been played to death...
but I have read enough…Here is a guy who blinked and his skills had left him and is doing anything he can to find a place to play…God knows if I had the skill to play pro ball they would have to drag me out kicking and screaming to get me out of a uniform. Get some perspective and quit acting like children.
Thanks, now back to the ball game.
I'd be happy to
If he ever returns my calls…at 3 a.m….from outside his bedroom window…why, Jimmy? Whyyyyy?
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hillary Clinton would answer.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Heaven forbid anyone actually like the game for FUN. On behalf of the community, I apologize for upsetting you.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
OK, that was pathetic AK
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
too many close games
not enough blow outs. c’mon cards, put this offense together (doesn’t help that TLR keeps shuffling the deck)
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Double switch
Brings in the next pitcher, and leaves Miles in to play short
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Drink!
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
frush stray, shun
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
that will happen
when you get 26 hits
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wow
this LOB shit is gonna drive all of us to an early grave.
it's like being taunted every day
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta love that MI crew
1st & 2nd no outs…3 MI later…1st & 2nd 3 outs….nice
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
ya, brilliant pinch hit option
lets pinch hit the no talent Slappy McSlap Slap
Izzy time? In the 8th?
This is a weird feeling
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it's like he was unofficially retired
and brought back a couple of days later
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bah
Having a non-pitcher bunting with 2 strikes is pretty dumb
Ouch, that hurts! I was wanting the bunt.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I wonder what the leverage stats would say about that?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Oh dear god
“We don’t trust Izzy to pitch the 9th but we’re going to have him pitch in a nearly identical leveraged situation.”
Because that makes sense.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
I thought you'd never ask
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Yay walk the guy hitting .224 with no bombs in a one run game in the 8th!!!
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
Not enough pressure,
I bet LaRussa told him to go out and walk the 1st batter.
by chicagocardfan on May 15, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't he been on base every chance this game?
I mean, would you pitch around glaus? he’s got a similar number BA wise and only has 2 HR. Just saying, not disagreeing
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Izzy scoffs in your face...
If we’re trying to keep pressure off him, this isn’t doing a very good job of that.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
Anything besides the dude who openly admits his confidence is donezo
And the now 7+ ERA
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
Oy.
It’s Izzy time alright…
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
TLR trying to get Izzy back on track..
but I think one of his big problems is pitching in back-to-back games.
La Rusa breeds
cynicism…............
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 15, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
please don't let us lose a series to the pirates
please!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Izzy blows a lead
CHUG
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Dont boo Izzy
It’s not his fault he sucks.
Boo TLR for continuing to put him out there
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PUT SKIP ON THE BALLOT!!!
putting a guy
in there on back to back days with confidence and mechanical issues is not wise.
I agree
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Bunt to move the runners over
Izzy tried to get the lead out at third, and the ball slipped and went into left field
yet it always happens to him
It could be worse, you could be on fire.
by themanthemyth on May 15, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks izzy
i didnt feel like having an easy end to this game either
Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.
fuck me!!!!!!!!!
it sure seems we lead EVERY fucking game 5-1 and arent able to make it stand up.
something's got to give
either hold ‘em or score more runs
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope this is a last straw
we need some fresh bullpen
Rick Ankiel could throw out Chuck Norris. Easy.
Izzy is making it easy...
To get rid of him. Seriously.
Mo's chat
seemed to suggest that Perez is pretty much on standby
TLR may not have a choice
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This can only end well
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can ya’ll update? like.. details?
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
Throwing error, then 3 run bomb
Izzy fielded a bunt, tried to get the lead runner at 3rd, made like a Tiger pitcher in the 06 series and threw the ball away, tied game. 3 run bomb to Jason Bay followed.
make up an injury
and put Izzy on the DL and bring Perez up…AND DO IT ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-1
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Overreaction?
you do realize izzy just came in and gave up 4 runs without getting an out?
for like the 10th time this season
Jason F'ing Bay
Jesus, Izzy, are you kidding me?!
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walk, hit, izzy error on a bunt, then Bay pinch-hit homer
that’s pretty much it.
by mattisnotfrench on May 15, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
Look at the positives
this makes changes inevitable…......
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 15, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
you'd think so
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Wrong
This makes TLR not making changes all the more frustrating
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These are games we're s'posed to win
if changes are to happen, fine. but do it, don’t look for more qualifications to do so
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what we said the last time.
You know, the one after which izzy tried to break his own hand so that TLR would stop putting him into games.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
can't believe he keeps pitching izzy
dude can’t put in as many innings any more
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
love it
people may be overreacting but this is absolutely terrible managing.
It could be worse, you could be on fire.
is he getting senile already?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd have a comfortable 1st place lead if not for izzy
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I'm just as mad at Izzy as everyone else
But we’d also have a comfortable 1st place lead if we didn’t leave 400 runners on base every game
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That's just not true...
They leave a lot of runners because they have a high team OBP. The hitting with runners on is not that bad, it’s pretty much the middle of the pack.
OTOH, Izzy has pretty much singlehandedly lost what, 5 games now?
Start Ludwick
How many of those games would we have a larger lead in, and then the tenor(sp?) of the game is changed?
We have far and away the highest LOB in MLB.
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Classic Izzy
I’m going to do something else that doesn’t involve my hair falling out in clumps. Go Cards.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
Even if
we’d scored more of those base runners, Izzy would still be single-handedly taking us out of this game. What a bummer.
does he want to run him into early retirement?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop poising the game thread guys, every one should cheer for izzy no matter what he does
boo cubs, hooray beer
lol
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
are you fucking kidding or what???
you are normally the most pesamistic person on the planet and now you decide to defend Izzy?????
he's being sarcastic
because of the comments the other day, don’t take it literal.
It’s funny
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's a back-handed insult to LB
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No
he got called out for doing what 10 other people are currently doing
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but then he got into it with LB
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lboros
isn’t on VEB today, so he’s not here to call people out. People who have mentioned the overreactions have been freaked out on.
People: banging away on your keyboards to vent your frustrations isn’t what VEB is for. No one is happy with what just happened, but you’ve all got to chill out a bit.
by spants on May 15, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its not TLR's fault
that Izzy sucks. Yes he probably should not put him in that situation but if he is going to be on the team then he has to be able to pitch in close games. Otherwise he should be cut or DL’d.
This isn't Izzy's fault
even he knows he has no business pitching. He said it himself.
Screw Tony for putting him out there in this situation.
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by stltrav09 on May 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
especially after pitching last night
that was something to build on – now it’s been wasted
by cardsfaninmass on May 15, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony couldn't hide the emotion on his face
which means “thats it, good bye friend”......
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by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 15, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
old habits die hard
but this is ridiculous
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey?.....
I know Izzy is just killing all of us here….BUT?...NINETEEN runners left on Base today according to gameday…..THAT is just a big a problem as Izzy in my opinion.
putting him in in the 8th with a one run lead
is the same as putting him to close the game. This is ridiculous. It hasn’t even been a week yet.
And yes, this thread is out of control . . .
On with the (good) youth movement!
tony got fooled by a good outing last night and then got greddy
by cardsfaninmass on May 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It was not a good outing
The results were good but his pitches were just as bad last night as they had been before. He got lucky that no one squared up his mistakes last night.
you are right
they actually hit the ball a long way
by cardsfaninmass on May 15, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just turned to the Gamecast for the first time in a couple minutes
And I just want to say – NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not eating delicious animals
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Happened to Prince Fielder too.
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
pitching someone two days in a row
who has no business pitching two days in a row, after admitting it himself
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So you think we will release izzy
is it feasible even?...i sure don’t want to, but its time to turn the page
Won't release him
May ask him to go on the DL for suckitis or maybe even ask him to retire
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Suckitis?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
probably put him on suicide watch
after today
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez better be hoping on a bus
right about now!!!!!!!!!
Please
are you telling me that our bullpen is so taxed that you bring in a guy that admits he sucks right now in a situation where we are 3 outs away from winning a game and then leave him in there and watch him undo all the good that anyone has done in this game. WTF is wrong with you man?
Losing is a disease
+1
However, we all know tony will tap dance in the post game and bitch about stranding runners.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
really pushing his luck
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations to the Perez family.....
See you tomorrow night at Busch.
Al says...
Not an ideal condition for Izzy to come into a game. So by that logic we should be up 10 runs for him to come in? Isn’t it his job to at least get the hold?
Not his job right now
a hold is just a save earlier in the game. He shouldn’t be pitching right now in situations where he could lose the game.
I think he’d be best off in EST for a coupla weeks.
Stop dancing around truth Al and Dan....
it’s Ok to say…...”you really got to wonder about bringing in Izzy in a situation like today’s.”
I don't get how it's TLR's fault
Izzy threw what, 15 pitches last night? Why shouldn’t he have brought him back today, hindsight notwithstanding?
that and izzy said that he wasn't ready
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Then he should be off the team
If he can’t pitch at all with a one run lead, no point in being on the team
cause izzy is sucking right now
let him come in in LOW leverage situations…and after the 4 pitch walk, he should have hooked him
why wait till a man is in scoring position
i could tell after four pitches he didnt have it…it has become clear this season he is not gonna work out it himself
if he isn't ready to close
is he ready to pitch in the 8th w/ a 1 run lead? There’s very little difference.
You know what stranded runners means
It means we are putting a lot of runners on base. we have 5 effing runs. I would take that every effing day
Losing is a disease
i agree
using lob is an excuse…sure i would love to score 15 runs a game…but these are major league relievers…they have to shut people down
What an awful situation
Izzy has been very good for the Cards for a long time and it will be very hard for TLR to admit that he is no longer an asset. Loyalty is an important trait for a manager….to a point. The only real answer will be for Izzy to admit that he can’t do it anymore and voluntarily relinquish his place on the team.
not scoring with 2 on and no out last inning
and then watching Izzy give up 4 runs in about 2 minutes. Doesn’t get much worse then that.
Only my ulcer is enjoying this.
Was Izzy booed relentlessly?
Watching on Gameday, would like to know the crowd’s reaction. I wouldn’t, but I’m sure he probably got it major…
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Oof
That’s almost worse than the booing
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Maybe
Izzy will punch a concrete wall and break his hand, thus taking the decision on what to do with him out of everyone’s hands.
On another note....
Jimmy just struck out on 3 pitches with the bases loaded.
nice
silver lining
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand why anyone would pick him up right now
he’s been consistently awful since mid-2006
by cardsfaninmass on May 15, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
cuz they're the cubs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for his awesome 2007
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Whoops
I thought you were talking about Izzy. My bad!
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but the Cubs are going to win again
what the hell happened to the Padres? They are just terrible this year.
boo cubs, hooray beer
no hitting
they’re in the same boat as the Giants, but maybe with even less hitting
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey lets look at the situation....
TLR is trying to help him regain his confidence. Pitching back to back days especially after the quick inning last night Izzy was fine to pitch.
Last week someone had a fan post “For Izzy” saying how bad it was to boo the guy. Well like I said in the comments it’s his job to save and win games not do your best.
Happy trails Izzy time to hang em up
BTW Rancateur I agreed with you on that post
BOOOOOO Izzy
If TLR insists on letting Izzy pitch,
then let him pitch the 1st inning. That way, once the damage is done we might have a chance to get some of the runs back.
dude you cant keep a short reliever......
out of a game just because he doesnt think hes ready…it just taxes the rest of the pen. If he cant pitch in close games he’s useless to us (especially this season). No blame on TLR for expecting his players to perform!
I don't agree with that
The Cal Eldred-type mop-up guy is a respectable role in a bullpen. That’s the sort of innings Izzy should be getting if he can’t be DL’d to work with Strom in Extended.
its seems the
consensus was…...changes have to be made…....its sink or swim Izzy….....I think it took courage by both Tony and Izzy to do this before the public…....Its just a game, and both of them have earned my respect…........enough said
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on May 15, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
This season has seriously felt like
what I’d imagine it’s like to be a Cubs fan every other year. Stupid shit costs you games, and you look at your main division rival and they can do no wrong. Ugh!
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so funny how last year
everything sucked EXCEPT the bullpen
by cardsfaninmass on May 15, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
All right, Schu
Let’s start the magical comeback!! Denny Graves, where are you?
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i love losing games
almost everyday that we had in the bag. wee!!
When was the last time Schumaker got a hit?
Seems the clock has struck midnight on that cinderella story.
You play the game to win
bringing in a crappy pitcher in a close game while the team is struggling is fucking stupid enough said
Losing is a disease
DL bound is the best way
to soften the blow to Izzy.
I think so
Like I said earlier, we won’t be releasing him. But I’d imagine he’s going on the DL with some sort of ambiguous ailment like “arm fatigue” or “a stiff shoulder”...ailments that are code for the suckitis.
Maybe he retires, I dunno
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Izzy = Ol' Yeller?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Izzy gets back to the dugout
TLR claps his hands twice, and two men carry Izzy away, screaming and whining, until from the hall to the locker room, you can hear two gunshots, and then everything is silent.
Wow that was just awful, I hope nobody thinks I’m serious at all, lol
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we could just release him
then maybe the cubs will pick him up after wood gets injured
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
On the plus side, Glaus is now hitting .266 after another good game tonight :)
boo cubs, hooray beer
maybe ankiel
can teach izzy how to be a gold glove centerfielder?
by Never Ever Pitch Izzy Again on May 15, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
lol
That’s the funniest user name I’ve seen on this site.
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I think pinch hitting Miles
in the seventh when Ludwick was available was an equally bad decision as putting Izzy in the 8th. Just pathetic management by TLR.
8 runs on 9 hits for the Bucs
I can only wonder what that must feel like…
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
i'd like to know what ank's batting average is after the 7th inning
seems like he gets too amped up and hacks at everything late in the game.
boo cubs, hooray beer
lboros posted on that recently...
by Never Ever Pitch Izzy Again on May 15, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont remember the exact #'s
but your intuition is right, he was horrible in late innings. sub .200 i believe.
by Never Ever Pitch Izzy Again on May 15, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
On the plus side
It was a day game which means I get to cry uncontrollably tonight without the distraction of baseball
In honor of TLR
I’m going to eat a cat…after kicking it
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
2006 v 2008
Seems like 2006 all over again with Izzy only he is worse this year. The difference is that was a veteran team in 2006 that could handle those emotional losses. This young team is being crushed by Izzy’s failures. If we want to remain in contention a change will have to be made…soon.
on the plus side
they’re not actually that young
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Young in terms of experience
That 2006 team had many years of big league experience to draw on. This team does not.
And in 2006 we jumped out to such a large division lead, we could still hang on in the end
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where do you get that the team is "crushed"
by Izzy’s blown saves? They’re bad. I’m not disputing that. But I’ve seen no evidence that it’s affecting them in any meaningful way. Are you saying this is why they’re leaving so many runners on base? Then why aren’t their dejected spirits preventing them from reaching base in the first place. Their effort doesn’t appear to be lacking. I just see nothing to indicate that this recent spate of blown saves is demoralizing them at all.
bad word choice on my part
i think that they are pressing because they feel a need to extend leads because of the problems we’ve had at the back end of games. Yes i am saying that is why they are leaving so many men on base. I think this young team needs to believe they can win and continually losing games that they are leading late will cause a loss of confidence. confidence is everything in baseball. Maybe their spirit has not been crushed yet but if the bullpen keeps blowing leads, it will be.
I agree that, if it continues, it will
affect their psyche, but I haven’t seen evidence of that yet. I don’t agree that Izzy’s blown saves are the reason they’re leaving runners on base. They’re leaving runners on base b/c they hit into too many DP’s and b/c they lack power, or aren’t hitting for power. This team has too few HR’s and their ISO is 11th (I think) in the NL. This is why they’re leaving runners on base.
So when Izzy comes in tomorrow with a one run lead
I’ll be there in person. Think he’ll consider it rude if I boo TLR? He might think I’m booing him.
Rasmus or bust.
I think they sort of look down on the game threads
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
sometimes you're right
that’s why I’ve been staying away. During day games, however, I work and have a hard time keeping a running dialogue as I’m trying to inconspicuously follow the game on gameday.
I'd say the turning point in this game was before Izzy
it was when Joel P couldn’t come out the next half inning when we took a 5-1 lead and shut them down. He shuts them down 1-2-3 there and it breaks their spirit, instead, he let them right back in the game.
boo cubs, hooray beer
I don't agree with this
I don’t think Izzy should’ve been in there w/ a 1 run lead in the 8th. Tony’s placing him in that situation made it inevitable. I’ll have to look at boxscores and stuff a little more closely but, at first glance, I’d say the main problem was Tony’s hesitance to use Springer and/or Franklin after using them last night. Once Tony removed Pineiro after 5, he was put in the situation of having to use Izzy or Villone in the 8th and he went w/ Izzy.
The real problem may have been pulling Pineiro so early. He wasn’t pitching well but we were up 1 and he had only thrown 70 pitches. He should’ve had it in his mind that Izzy was only to be used in a high leverage situation in an emergency. Therefore, he should’ve tried to get another inning or 2 from Pineiro. It may have cost us a run or two, or even the game, but once he pulled Pineiro, it almost guaranteed that Izzy would have to pitch in a high leverage situation and Tony should’ve known that. The poor decision appears to be pulling Pineiro so early rather than using Izzy in the 8th.
Of course Tony shouldn't have put him in
He did say he was going to give Izzy time to work things out.
5 days…That might be some of Tony’s worst managing ever.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Five runs should
win you most games. Leading at home in the eighth inning you have to find a way to get the three outs.
Chris Perez needs to be on his way up I-55, and soon
Not to jump right into closing, but his time is coming. K-Mac for closer!!
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Man, when was the last time K-Mac threw?
by Andyfantastic on May 15, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
man
we haven’t had one of those nifty come back wins in a while. DO IT!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
It just got harder
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0-14
when trailing after the 8th.
and as I typed that, the lead just got bigger. DANGIT!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on May 15, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
if perez comes in in the 8th
no way bay goes deep…coming off the bench and trying to catch up with that heat? no way!!
Turnin' it off.
Can’t believe my gal talked me into getting tix for tomorrow AND Sunday. Ugh.
Rasmus or bust.
At least you'll be watching an exciting, young team
Unfortunately, that’s not our team :(
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ah cmon
maybe they’ll win both
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
il take your tickets.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 15, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Having fun yet?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
back to reality?
i think the honeymoon period with the 08 team is done. this is our season folks.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
if this is the season
then we’ll finish in 2nd and maybe get the wild card
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't losing to them enough?
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I always enjoy a laugher
and I tend to agree. Sometimes a kick in the ass in good for the team.
Rasmus or bust.
This feels like
one of those games last year where we had Kelvin Jimenez or Andy Cavazos hemorrhaged runs for the last few innings of every other game.
Here’s hoping we look a whole lot better on this weekend series.
(Nice play by Ryan there!)
Since when is Ryan Dempster = Cy Young?
and has he always been such a high strike out pitcher?
boo cubs, hooray beer
roids.
anyone?
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by dangpenguins on May 15, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
allright.
we were doing fine until the closer. We need a new one. If this happens, we can still do well. I have faith. And, that was a great catch.
go cards.
maybe the cardinals
should live by the path of the chili cheese coney.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
haha
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Emotional wreck
This team is wrecked emotionally from Izzy. I think part of the reason we have has such a hard time adding on runs is pressure. The team feels the pressure to get a big lead to avoid close/late situations. As a result they are “squeezing the bats”.
The good thing
is it’s the Cubs in first and not a team that will actually hold up throughout a season.
Rasmus or bust.
this is ridiculous
we lost, and Xavier Nady went 0 for 5?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
tony is a genius
bring in pitchers that suck so that there is no way we can win and bring them in late when we are winning to make it more painful for the fans. Damn I am great
Losing is a disease
Ludwick coming in to hit a meaningless 3-run HR
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Rays....
After watching few of the Rays games this year?.....I think we could be in for a VERY long weekend….
Cards have outhit the Pirates
14 to 13. Gotta love it.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
(shakes head in disbelief)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt that this is a team loss
But I think that this team is scared of the late innings and they get tight trying to extend leads. If they had faith in the bullpen I think they would relax and score more runs.
blame tony
you can bet izzy didn’t want to be out there.
It could be worse, you could be on fire.
by themanthemyth on May 15, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't let it ruin your day!
At least it is baseball season. We do get to watch something!
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
as part of the thread "watchers"
I would ask you to please stop…we heard you already and it’s getting old.
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."
yeah
can’t think of many worse than that
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not ugly, per se
But the worst Cards’ loss I remember was game 5 of the 2004 NLCS…Once again, Izzy was the culprit
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
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I blame the weather for a non-rainout
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tired of losing games like this
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+1
at least this one wasn’t even close in the end
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
is it over yet?
thank god
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
after that kind of luck
who knows what will happen
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going to get better.
We will get a new closer and it will get better. The cards are a good baseball team, and we shouldn’t let losses like this make us think otherwise. Tony has noticed that Izzy isn’t doing well, and something will be done about it.
go cards.
We were winning 5-1
You know, before the 10 unanswered runs and all
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 15, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say it was LOST before Izzy
But it could have been won before Izzy, that’s for sure.
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Maybe they'll change the rules.
So you only have to make it on the bag to score. With all of our LOB, we would be #1!
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's some sort of bright side
Maybe we’ll give the Pirates the confidence they need to sweep the Cubbies! Oh, and Kazmir is pitching today for the Rays, and James Shields went last night, so we’ll miss the Rays’ two best pitchers! Not that the rest of their staff isn’t as dominating, lately.
I guess looking on the bright side
Even though it’s hard, is better than letting this game ruin my night. I think i’m gonna go play RISK
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on May 15, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
teams that whip our ass don't get confidence boosts
Note the past games with the Brew, they’ve looked awful after handing us a few.
Colorado didn’t awake really at all after our collapse
Giants? only other team that has beat us in a series besides brew and pirates. enough said
It’s like they kick our bullpen around like chumps, then go back to playing bad ball. Which actually makes it all that much worse.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
because
confidence boosts, momentum and other intangible tripe are only as good as your next opponents.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on May 15, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can anyone look at our team as it is right now
And not believe that getting Anthony Reyes and Brad Thompson back would improve it?
Thompson is on the DL
and Reyes wouldn’t be in a role that would help, he’s not going to close and he’s not really that short term of a reliever, which is where our main issues are
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know
if Molina suffered any consequences yet from the fight with the ump the other day?
go cards.
yeah, just a fine...apparently that wasn't enough for the cubs homer that writes the rotoworld sidebar.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Bring on the Rays!
This game sucked. Im ready to move on and see what the AL has. Hopefully we can fix the bullpen soon.
From the P-D article on todays's game:
Edmonds debut: He started in center field and went 1 for 4 as the Cubs rode a 12-strikeout performance by Ryan Dempster to victory.
Edmonds singled in his first at-bat, but he also struck out, hit into a double play and left seven runners on base.
Poor guy still thinks he’s an ‘08 cardinal…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
Too bad the Cardinals have 65 outfielders
or I’d say take him back. Our offense doesn’t need him. Our defense doesn’t need him. Our clubhouse doesn’t need him. Our fans don’t need him. The worse offense in the Nat’l League didn’t need him. The only thing he brings is something to talk about in between wins, which we already had with Pie/Johnson/Murton.
I'm kind of a big deal
by chi-townbleacherbum on May 15, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well....
...not really pretty good in my estimation….more like your typical sour Chi-town mini-rant.
100 years is it?
by cardschinmusic on May 16, 2008 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Please no one mock Jason Bay ever again, mkay?
All the hardy-har-har yesterday about him throwing like a girl and Strauss calling him an ‘odd fan fetish’ and the guys goes out and shows why fans would like to see him batting 4th.
Aaannyywaaays, today’s loss was a good one. They need about 3 more of these from the bullpen in the next week or two before LaRussa’s hand is forced and the youth movement in the bullpen begins.
by Hardcore Legend on May 16, 2008 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
Youth movement
begins tomorrow. Check the P-D and note that perez hasn’t pitched since Tuesday, even in today’s Memphis game when he could have possibly made Joey Bombs’ HR unnecessary.
Great game in Memphis tonight
incase no one saw it. Mather hit a 2 run bomb (his 6th HR) to win it in the 12th.
Trade Chris Duncan, call up Mather.
by Hardcore Legend on May 16, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
poor IZZY
watching him go though this is hell. both Bernie & Strauss say he’s going on the DL or he’s going to be DFA’d later today. he’s been getting treatment for his hip. that is so very wrong. the man deserved so much better. he deserved to go out his way.
truly this game is a cruel mistress.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
well
from what i’ve read, bernie says mo should put izzy on the DL, not that he’s already headed there. and…
...the alternative is to designate him for minor-league assignment. Which would likely lead to his release after waivers expire.The Cardinals don’t want to do that. Not yet, anyway.
that hardly sounds like they’re DFAing him later today. where were you getting your info? mailbag or chat or something?
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