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Game 41 Open Thread: May 13 2008

Pittsburgh @ St. Louis


Dumatrait Lohse
1-1, 3.86 3-2, 4.87

tyler johnson is gonna have his shoulder scoped this week; don't know if we can expect him back on a mound this year, but i suspect not. ron villone, you da man . . . .

also, today is the 50th anniversary of The Man's 3000th hit; photos, video, and other goodies at this link (thanks sjoshi). the game box score is right here. now here's what cracks me up about that box score --- at the end of the game, musial was hitting .489. not .389; .489 --- and this was a month into the season. he had 43 hits in 88 at-bats on the year. the following day he went 3 for 4 to raise his average to .500, god bless 'im . . . .  i never saw the guy play. he really must have been something.

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Just reading over on BP

Dont know how many others saw this, but it was describing how important a stat the LOB thing is or isnt. What I found not so suprising is that we have 2 of the top 5 batters for leaving men on base so far in 2008. Number 1? Santa Glaus come on down. Number 5? Pujols. Pujols was a bit of a suprise, but then no one is pitching to him with men on base.

for those who have subscription and havent seen it: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7510

by FunkeeC on May 13, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Hmmmm

Pujols has an OBP of .500. Even if Glaus were hitting a lot better, he’d still probably be #1, simply because Pujols has been on base a lot.

Start Ludwick

by DiscoJer on May 13, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hehe i was just reading that

and came here to post it. Lol.

great quote from the article:

“Put it all together and the data suggests that a high number of runners left on base, while frustrating and annoying, may not be a sure sign that your team’s offense is broken or even in bad shape. It might actually be a good thing.”

having two guys on the same team leading the majors in LOB? Not so much.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 13, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Then again

the red sox are doing OK with ortiz and pedroia both on the list…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 13, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

true, but they are much less reliant on ortiz thanwe are with pujols

they have less holes and have a more proven record in regard to a true talent on getting men on base.

by FunkeeC on May 13, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ya

My fear is that our current level of OBPness is more a mirage than newfound talent and skill and once this levels off, we will have reached our true offensive level. I hope not, but time will tell.

by FunkeeC on May 13, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also saw the article

I think that is great news for our offense if the other guys continue to get on base in front of Pujols and Glaus. Troy will start hitting better, maybe not a big difference, but he won’t end the season hitting .230 with 4 HR if he stays healthy. I promise you that. Obviously, if people keep getting on base in front of Pujols that is a very good thing. They will have to pitch to him many of those times.

Also, it isn’t a LOB list. It is a Runners Not Plated list. That is why Pujols ranks so high with his walks.

by mlaw on May 13, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if I recall correctly

the game on fox over the weekend he did the line up. When he was reading them off..

“the most feared hitter in the game… Miles, second base”

I don’t know why I laughed at that so hard, subtle humor gets me I s’pose

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 13, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol, indeed

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 13, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn global warming, lol

The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.

by coachnick39 on May 13, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You what though.

I was thinking, saying something against gobal warming is not going to stop the hate mail from comming.

by Evilfrog on May 13, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

bummer im in WA

and we had the yanks

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FOX baseball is dead to me

Not that I get to watch a significant number of Cards’ games on TV anyway.

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by ColinMacLeod on May 13, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fernando Tatis got called up by the Mets today.

Just thought I’d share

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by coachnick39 on May 13, 2008 7:36 PM EDT   0 recs

heard that

and was like wow..maybe theyd take miles?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Chan Ho Park is running scared, now

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 13, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The best part is that rotoworld has him listed as a DH

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on May 13, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tj might will not be back presumably

I had A Labrum repair and two types of cartilage repaired on the 31st of January(non dominant arm). Not sure about rotator area which is what the article makes it seem like, but mine is a slow healing area due to not enough blood flow. Im still on light duty, can do repetitve motion without pain, but cant put weight on it without pain. Im regaining motion but its a slow process. They told me overall about 6 months and from what i understand thats common with alot of shoulder type injuries.

4 months puts him at sept, so I doubt we will see TJ, but you never know hes a tad younger and im not 100% on what exactly he’s having done.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 7:48 PM EDT   0 recs

That sucks about TJ, Im a big fan of his

though I wish he’d switch his number back to 61

The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.

by coachnick39 on May 13, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jaime Garcia

Put up this line for Memphis today:

7 IP; 6 H; 0 R; 1 BB, 6 K

His ERA at AAA so far (only two games, I realize) is 0.69 with a GO/AO ratio of 2.38 and a 12/1 K/BB rate in 13 innings.

by punditmoi on May 13, 2008 7:52 PM EDT   0 recs

I think he'll pitch for the Cards

this year before it’s all said and done.

Thanks for the update I have been following him closely all year but forgot he pitched today!

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)

PUT SKIP ON THE BALLOT!!!

by stltrav09 on May 13, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Garcia is probably my favorite

I am a huge fan of Garcia and have to say he is my favorite prospect in the organization. I know Dave Duncan has to love this guy too. A ground ball lefty that doesn’t walk guys and strikes out at hitter at a high rate also.

by FlimtotheFlam on May 13, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

looks like a fine roatation

shaping up for ‘09
Carp
Wagonmaker
Welley
Garcia
Kmac

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by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heresy ... sacrilege ... but

I’m at the point of wondering whether this guy may be a better prospect than Da Raz, if he holds together physically.

by StanTheManFan on May 13, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's phenomenal.

Looks like he’s doing well now that he’s moved out of a hitter’s league.

That’s a spectacular line.

by liam on May 13, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jess Todd

is looking good for Springfield tonight, too. Peripherals aren’t eyepopping like Garcia’s, but he’s getting the job done.

by liam on May 13, 2008 9:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

franklins or no franklins

that is the question

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 13, 2008 7:55 PM EDT   0 recs

Rain delay=Franklins

The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.

by coachnick39 on May 13, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are they anticipating a rain delay?

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on May 13, 2008 8:04 PM EDT   0 recs

tarp is on the field

The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.

by coachnick39 on May 13, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rain delay

how long are we talkin here?

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)

PUT SKIP ON THE BALLOT!!!

by stltrav09 on May 13, 2008 8:07 PM EDT   0 recs

On weather.com

... it looks as though the storm is leaving the area already. Shouldn’t be a long delay.

by punditmoi on May 13, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

west coast baseball

having grown up and played baseball in the midwest, moving out west is a change of pace. It raining alot is not a stereotype it does in fact is right now.

I go to see some of my youths babseball games and have seen them play in some pretty bad crap, however they manage to keep the fields playable(not MLB playable cause no mil $ investments at the 8th rade level). At any rate i was an adjustment remebering back to my days when it seemed like if it rained even a little during the summer we were rained out.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's sorta kinda raining here

should get the brunt of it soon though

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 13, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Iowa...

Is anyone else in the Des Moines area with Mediacom not getting the game tonite? Tomorrow’s nite’s games isn’t listed either, even though both are listed on the Cards website and Fox Sports as FSN.

by svengali on May 13, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

it is one of 20 games they are blacking out this season

Here is the list of games they say they will blackout

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by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks, man...

And, that really sucks.

by svengali on May 13, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if it makes you feel any better

the cards usually win during the blackouts

so we have that going for us, which is nice

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by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Shawn Estes is still alive

and he pitches against the Cubs tonight

The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.

by coachnick39 on May 13, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

a shawn estes and fernando tatis mention

all in one day

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

too bad re: Johnson

the “no news is good news” cliche doesn’t seem to apply to Cardinal pitchers.

by azruavatar on May 13, 2008 8:19 PM EDT   0 recs

are you kidding me?

the pirates are almost .500 and there starter has an e.r.a. under 4? wtf

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 13, 2008 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

they been playing decent ball

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've got a question about outfield positions:

I know that its common for managers to put their worst OF defender in LF. Why is that?

It seems like more balls are put into play in LF than in RF, so why not put your better defender in LF where he’ll have a chance to make more plays?

Is it just so you have a better arm in RF? If that’s the case, it seems like the RF’s arm would come into play much less than the LF’s glove.

I’d put Ludwick in LF and let Barton or Duncan play in RF.

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on May 13, 2008 8:28 PM EDT   0 recs

which is funny cause in younger levels

the wrap goes that you bad kids get stuck in right..and in the pros the right fielders tend to have guns.. and your left fielders as you said are weaker. Not sure a reason though

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Little leagues never have lefties who pull.

At least, that’s why I play right field.

by Evilfrog on May 13, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

geez, how old are you?

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by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i would hope so

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by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pull the ball?

I think I got one double in 3 years of little league and I don’t even remember what part of the park it went to, much less think about pulling the ball.

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by ColinMacLeod on May 13, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I once hit walk off double with 2 outs.

And got called out for throwing the bat. And I didn’t even throw the bat. The catcher kicked it!

I hate little league!

by Evilfrog on May 13, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's funny

cuz I played three years of little league and only had one double also. I hit it to center

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 13, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I probably hit a gapper to the wall.

And I was also stuck in right field.

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by ColinMacLeod on May 13, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

same here

stuck in right field cuz I was a late bloomer and didn’t run very fast

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 13, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Softball, but also stuck in right field, cause I'm slow.

I made one amazing diving catch to save a run, but I only had to dive because I got such a bad jump on the ball.

by six on May 13, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Outfielder arm strength

The throw from right to third is a long one, and you rarely see (the equivalent) throw from left to first, except when doubling off a runner going on a caught flyball.

We put Ludwick in left for games in parks with a deep left field, though, like Colorado and Pittsburgh.

by liam on May 13, 2008 9:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The good arm bit is

to keep runners from going from first to 3rd on hits to right, naturally. but the throw home is no longer. only other thing is you probably have more opposite field hits to right because of more right handed batters. But you are right when we chose up for back alley games as a kid, the smallest was told by the biggest to “take right Field” while everybody else laughed.

by ridgesee on May 13, 2008 8:40 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm sure there's a way to tell

how many hits go to left and how many go to right, but I don’t know where to go to find such info.

I’m just assuming that more balls are put in play in LF than RF.

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on May 13, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lets not forget...

the ball off the bat going opposite field is much tougher to read, and since more hitters are right-handed, someone with better natural instincts is well served in RF. Opposite field hits are much more common in the Bigs.

by longhornscardinals on May 13, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

didn’t think about that. still, I’d put my weakest defender in right

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 13, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

game on!

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on May 13, 2008 8:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Game on

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on May 13, 2008 8:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow,

More and more impressed with him every game.

by davethebutcher on May 13, 2008 8:46 PM EDT   0 recs

Luddy do something badass

again?

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by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I had a 50/50

chance of getting it right

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by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for the Musial mention.

Yeah, he was something. REALLY something. I just saw him at the end of his career, and then through the hero-worshiping eyes of a small child. But there may never have been a baseball player who combined such greatness with such complete lack of ego and pretense.

by StanTheManFan on May 13, 2008 8:49 PM EDT   0 recs

i like this lineup

Barton
Ryan
Pujols
Ludwick
Glaus
Ankiel
Molina
Lohse
Izturis

Maybe swap Izturis with Kennedy, and I’m happy.

by longhornscardinals on May 13, 2008 8:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Barton

swings at a lot of 1st pitches

not so good in the lead off role

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on May 13, 2008 8:50 PM EDT   0 recs

I think Tony had him bunt

and he’s not practiced enough at bunting yet

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 13, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...

... if he’d layed it down perfectly, Tony would have subbed Schumaker half way to first.

by punditmoi on May 13, 2008 8:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs