M Young to Cards?

by punchinjudy on May 12, 2008 9:33 PM EDT Comment 25 comments

Didn't see this posted, but it was on 175 The Wilson show? They were talking baout the Cards and Strauss predicted a fall to earth because of all the cards good stats in OBP, Era, etc they are like 8th in runs scored. He said it has been mentioned to get a bat which we all know, but is hard cause most bats don't come available until late next month. The host asked who and he said maybe Young from Texas which he called doubtful.

I lived East of Dalls for a few yrs and watched this guy come up he moved around their infield and you never heard any gripe of him changing positions etc, plus IMO won the allstar game a few times for the AL. He does nto get alot of press cause he plays for the rangers...I doubt they would do it cause of Kennedy, but would love to see it

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Eh

Mixed feelings. He’s a hell of an upgrade from Iz2 offensively, but he’s widely considered brutal with the glove.

Another thing: he’s a big name, and he’d cost pretty good prospects.

I say nay. Especially because his bat isn’t what it was in 2005.

by mojowo11 on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

they refered to him as a

” run producer” heres his line… http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6613 agreed it would take a good package to get him

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 12, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd love him.

But it’s unlikely.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 12, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he's a 31 year old third baseman playing shortstop

who has hit for a career ~.800 OPS in an extreme pitchers park, and he makes $16M/year through his age-36 season. Yikes.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 12, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So

what would his OPS be in Busch III? (Or did you mean that Rangers’ park is an extreme hitters park?)

by spants on May 12, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh, yeah

extreme hitters park, sorry.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 12, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hed be an upgrade

but they didnt mention his contract…besides strauss said it’s unlikely but thought it was worth the mention cause hadn’t heard the rumor

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 12, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

do you mean 2B?

He was originally at 2B, but I don’t recall him ever playing third.

Also, don’t forget that we have Kozma. He’d be much more of a fix for the next couple of seasons than a longterm solution. He’d give us time to trade for and develop some young talent.

But I agree, the Rangers would need to eat some of the contract.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 13, 2008 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kozma

Also, don’t forget that we have Kozma. He’d be much more of a fix for the next couple of seasons than a longterm solution. He’d give us time to trade for and develop some young talent.

Koz is still in A ball so I’m not sure how he becomes “a fix for the next couple of seasons”. Granted, he’s ripping it up in A ball this year but I’d be shocked if he made it to St. Louis before 2011 season. Also, Koz could be more than a ST fix. He could be the long-term solution.

Short term is the problem. There don’t appear to be any options out there other than Brendan Ryan. Unless converting Skip Schumaker back to a SS is considered an option. Too bad he was not left at SS in the minors.

by jjray on May 13, 2008 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe he meant young would be the fix for the next couple of seasons?

that’s how i read it anyway

by mattybobo on May 13, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I meant Young

Sorry about that. I figured it’d be assumed.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 13, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Going with that . . .

Koz could be more than a ST fix. He could be the long-term solution.

. . . was basically my point. We’d only take Young for the next 3 years or so. He’d be a big improvement over any of the free agents, and would give us time to develop Kozma or trade for other prospects. Plus, if we can get Texas to take on some of Young’s contract, we’re set.

Sorry again about the typo!

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 13, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, what I mean

is that he is a SS in name only, like I could be a SS if I went and stood between second and third with a glove on. he’s not a good defensive SS and will need to be moved to 3B very soon, and his bat is not good enough to be a third baseman. If he could be moved to 2B, he might have value for a year or two, but the contract makes him very unattractive long-term.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 13, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes i believe he was at second and got moved when soriano came over

then stayed cause they have whats his name now..at 2nd..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kinsler

That’s exactly my point. He’d make a very comfortable switch to second if need be. I don’t see where Sleepy’s getting this “need to be moved to 3rd” argument.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 14, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's good news

i didn’t realize he was a competent second baseman. That makes a big difference, if true.

Still, $16M for a probable best-case .750 OPS out of a second baseman sure makes you miss ol’ Grudzy, and makes you wonder how we missed the boat on Tadahito Iguchi. And i gotta think- how bad would skip be, at second, exactly?

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 15, 2008 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Take a look at his contract,

then his age, and it won’t seem like a great idea anymore.

"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"

by rockin the red on May 13, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Young to the Cards...

is a dreadful idea:

31 years old
One of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball
Signed through his age 36 season for $16 million per
Evidence of declining power already

Signing Pineiro is one thing, but this would be a completely different level of foolishness…

by guayzimi on May 13, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

I wouldn’t take on his contract for free at this point.

by mikedallas45 on May 13, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

okay

guayzimi’s point makes sense, but not taking on his contract for free is just ridiculous. This guy is a consistent .300+ hitter, has over 90 RBI the past four seasons, has had over 200 hits the past five and has played over 150 games the past six. If we move him to second base, we have one of the top second basemen in the big leagues and a huge addition to our offense.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on May 14, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

Young is a good player, but I see several issues with this, many of which have been stated already:

1. He’s a MIF on the wrong side of 30. I think he could slide over to 2nd and be fine, but I’m worried that his offense is slipping, which ties nicely into my next point
2. His SLG has dropped precipitously since 2005, and his OBP is definitely tied to his batting average, meaning that if he stops hitting he’ll lose a TON of value. Then he’s starting to drift into Adam Kennedy in his ahem, prime. This also ties into my next point.
3. He’s got a shitty contract. He’s paid through the age of 36, and there’s no guarantee he’ll even be able to play that long. He’ll be owed give-or-take 56 million buckaroos if the Cards tack him on late in the season, so he won’t be a rental. He’ll be a member of the Cardinals as long as they want him.

BTW I don’t know how to make one of those fancy, nice looking lists. I used to just jump over to bleedcubbieblue and stomach the wretchedness of Cubdom (Cub-dumb?) to look at their posting tips tab, but they don’t have it on the new platform. So how do you do that?

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 13, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs