J.Ed. to the Cubs?
I doubt it. But a Trib reporter says it might happen here. The Cubbies want another left-handed bat, and they are apparently desperate enough to think that Jimmy might be the answer. The only thing worse than Jimmy's ugly demise in the ugly Padres uniforms would be his inexplicable resurrection for the Small Bears. I'd hate to have to root for him to fail miserable, but I'd hate more to see the drunks in Wrigley's bleachers happily claim him for their own.
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Jimmy
I couldn’t wait for the Pads to visit Busch III this year so we could, as Cardinal fans, give Jimmy ball game a great standing ovation on his first plate appearence. I think we would even cheer if he hit a homerun. But in a Cubs uniform…..I don’t see it happening. I don’t care if my own son played for the Cubs. I’d have to root for him to fail.
Go Birds.
"And that's a winner. A World Series winner for the Cardinals."
by Bird Watcher on May 12, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be far too disturbing.
Jimmy would not do that by choice; I’m sure. Only chance is if they trade him.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 12, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds was the #1
target of abuse from the Bleacher Bums. To watch them praise him as one of their own would make me want to puke. The best was when Edmonds would be tucking his jersey in the back of his pants and flip the bird to them.
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by stltrav09 on May 12, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see him...
rise from the ashes with any team that would give him a shot… The reality though is that he’s finished, and he’ll probably cost the Cubs a game for every 8-10 that he starts.
by guayzimi on May 12, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even more sad
if Jimmy went to the Cubs would be that we’re still paying Jim’s contract for playing in 08…and in a way we would be paying him while he is playing for our main division rival. That would be a wild twist.
But even though it would be hard to stomach to see him with the Cubs I would rather have Jimmy leave the game on his own terms rather than getting released, so if he can hook up with another team for one last chance…I am for it, just wish it wasn’t the Cubs, I could stand it if it was the Reds, Brewers or even the Astros.
by KYCards on May 12, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
au contraire...
I believe we made a payment to the Pads of around $2 million. They ate the balance when they released him.
by guayzimi on May 12, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love jimmy, but
if he ends up with the cubs, he’s dead to me.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 12, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, by that rationale,
if Pujols decides to go FA at the end of his contract, and signs with the Cubs, he’d be dead to you, too?
If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
by cardsrul on May 12, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would be to me.
I don’t care. When it involves the Cubs I completely lose the ability to think rationally.
by mattisnotfrench on May 12, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
The Cards-Cubs rivalry is heralded for being civil, but sometimes I don’t think it deserves the recognition. Perhaps a look at Jimmy’s stats from 2000-2005 and some reflection on what he’s done for this organization can infuse some rationality into your head! Edmonds isn’t going to step into a Cubs uniform and carry them to the World Series—if the they’re leaning on him for this, then they’re in bigger trouble than any of us could ever imagine. Thus, who gives a damn? Let the guy finish his career on his terms. I hope he plays well enough to find some closure, no matter which team he’s playing for. He’ll be remembered as a Cardinal regardless of what happens the rest of the way.
by jdub176 on May 12, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm well aware of what Jim has done for the Cardinals...
But in my defense, I’m from Central Illinois. There isn’t such a thing as rationality when it comes to the Cubs. However, we’re a nicer, gentler rivalry because we can actually talk baseball without wanting to kill one another, even if we hate each others’ teams. That’s the difference. Cardinal fans don’t get beat up in Chicago, just jeered and vice versa.
by mattisnotfrench on May 12, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
But the whole “he’d be dead to me” thing rubs me the wrong way. It’s just a game?
by jdub176 on May 12, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
He would be dead to me as a member of the Cubs. After he retires/leaves Chicago, all is well. Would you want to see Willie McGee in a Cubs uniform?
by mattisnotfrench on May 13, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying
..that Edmonds isn’t going to put up a 170 OPS+ for the Cubs (assuming he signs with them) like he did for the Cards in ‘04. The hopes and dreams of that organization aren’t riding on the broad shoulders of Jim Edmonds. This isn’t like Clemens leaving the Red Sox and having arguably the best years of his career with the Jays, Yankees, and Astros.
And no, I wouldn’t want to see Willie McGee in a Cubs uniform, just like I don’t want to see Edmonds in one. However, I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. Now don’t get the impression that I like the Cubs. I “hate” them as much as anyone here; the only difference is that I don’t feel threatened by a team that hasn’t been to a World Series in 63 years.
by jdub176 on May 13, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one big difference:
I wanted him to have a monster year or two with the Padres, to finish on a high note and hopefully cement his HOF chances.
Now, I will be actively rooting against him, hoping he fails.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 13, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, is the answer.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 12, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why Roger Clemens basically has no fan base.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 12, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that and the
HGH rumors and , lying ot congress, and possibly cheating on his wife, if he did have a fan base those took care of most of it..but there are a few die hard refuse to believe any wrongdoing fans
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he does in Texas
When I went to Minute Maid last year, I still saw more Clemens jerseys than I saw Berkman ones.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 13, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, i would exclude houston.
they still like him down there.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 13, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but really
when did anything good ever come out of houston? Well, besides our fellow VEB’ers
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on
Ugh. Jim’s baseball playing skills have rapidly eroded, something I’m sure is difficult to reconcile (especially for a guy so extraordinarily talented), so who could blame him for trying to prove himself one last time? He probably doesn’t want to go out on such a bad note. If he does sign with the Cubs, it will be because he wants to continue making a living doing something he’s done his entire life – something he undoubtedly enjoys. It won’t be because he has animosity toward the Cardinals…but you’d throw him under the bus for playing for a team you don’t like? Seems kind of silly to me.
by jdub176 on May 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it's silly...
and no rational person could blame him for taking the best opportunity available to him. But being a fan of a team defies logic. I appreciate what he did here, and I’d probably applaud him the first time he came up to bat against us, but after that, it’s on. I’d boo him like any other Cub. Then I’d go to his restaurant for a steak and ask him for an autograph. But I’d feel a little guilty about it.
But hey, this is St. Louis, not Philly or New York. I’d probably stop short of throwing D-cell batteries at him.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by Tupelo on May 13, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well sure
I wouldn’t cheer for him against the Cardinals by any means. But he wouldn’t be ‘dead’ to me. That’s all I’m trying to say.
by jdub176 on May 13, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
being a baseball fan
is hardly rational.
this would sting worse than jim mcmahon defecting to green bay, ugh.
by lopey986 on May 13, 2008 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jimmy as a cub?
well the way he looked with the pads, i would welcome it, as it would probably cost the cubs more games than he would help. its sad, n e where else i hope he hits .400
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by elirock83 on May 12, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Better get used to it ..
Looks like we will sign him as soon as he clears waivers. “He is motivated by the opportunity to help a division rival beat his old team.”
Link here: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/945598,edmonds051208.article
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on May 12, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I heard he was motivated by the opportunity to explain to Alfonso Soriano what the leather thing on his left hand is for.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by Tupelo on May 13, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha..
That’s all you got? Very weak. I believe he’s also motivated by the opportunity to play for a first place team. Have fun looking up to us the rest of the season.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on May 13, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you
think the Cubs will be a 1st place team with Edmonds on the roster? He’s going to be taking at bats from somebody else, and I’m sure Pie has more range than him in CF.
by spants on May 13, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that you are excited...
to see Edmonds in a Cubs uniform just goes to show how unknowledgeable Cubs fans really are. If you have paid attention over the last three seasons…especially this season…you’d know that Jimmy is done. Have fun watching him take half-hearted swings at anything down and away. Like Tupelo said, the only use he’ll be to you is if he can actually show the only left fielder who is worse Chris Duncan how to use his glove.
Sorry Jimmy!
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 13, 2008 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this:
Have fun losing in heartbreaking fashion again this year. Your starting pitching won’t get you past the Diamondbacks and if you get to the WS, you’ll get waxed by Boston or Cleveland. Offense doesn’t win championships-us Cardinal fans can attest to that (cough 2004 cough)-and I don’t think the Cubs have the pitching. That, and Carlos Zambrano is about #80 on my list of pitchers I’d want on the mound on the road in a Game 7 situation.
Yeah, the Cubs have a good team, a very good team…but I wouldn’t be lining up to buy playoff tickets just yet. If God has proven anything, it is that he is most definitely NOT a Cubs fan. Every time they have a good team every Cubs fan is convinced it’s their year and sees fit to rub it in to everyone and celebrate far, far too early-only to see it completely blow up in your face. I understand decades of frustration would probably make me like this too…but it still fascinates me.
In other words, you haven’t won anything yet.
by mattisnotfrench on May 13, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
happy 100-year anniversary.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 13, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Us?
You play for the Cubs? Wow. Maybe you need to be working out or taking some hacks or something and get working on ending that 100 year drought instead of sitting here trolling on VEB.
Dude, Edmonds is done. Hence the reason the Cards traded him for a 25 year old Single A-er who may make it to the show one day and be an ok third baseman. The Cubbies are in the process of bringing in a 37-going-on-68 year old center fielder with no bat speed, no range, and no ability to hit a pitch on the outside part of the plate. Have a blast.
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by redbirdnation8206 on May 14, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did we "unceremoniously dump"
Edmonds, or did he request a trade? I was under the impression that he was unwilling to platoon… Isn’t that what he’ll be doing with the Cubs?
My overall impression is that he’s toast. It’s sad. But, such is life. Everyone declines.
by spants on May 13, 2008 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I was going to say, I thought he asked for the trade.
by jdub176 on May 13, 2008 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
edmonds
would start in chicago. they would send Pie down to triple a to get regular at bats.
by lopey986 on May 13, 2008 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya pie is in
the dog house too i believe
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on May 13, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes he is
Uncle Lou is not a very patient man, and Felix Pie hasn’t been doing much of anything at the plate this year.
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by mjk83 on May 13, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think they should have traded Pie when he was a hot prospect?
I know you think of Corey Patterson right off the bat when you think of failed CF prospects in the Cubbie organization.
There is just no good spot for Pie to bat, as hitting in the 8 spot is very tough for young hitters especially for a guy like Pie who does not seem to have much plate discipline. It would be nice to put him somewhere else but the cubbie line up is pretty stacked.
I think the Cubs should do what STL does and bat the pitcher 8th and Pie 9th.
by ICbirdfan on May 13, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally I think that Pie could still become a decent hitter
what I wouldn’t mind is if they hit Pie 7th and then put a veteran in that 8 spot, cause I agree that hitting 8th is tough for a young guy.
I’m not willing to give up on him yet. From all reports he seems to be a lot more willing to work with coaches than Corey ever was. Apparently they had worked with him on shortening his swing and he’s still adjusting.
Unfortunately since Lou doesn’t play him on a regular basis he hasn’t been able to get comfortable up there. If the Cubs were losing a lot of games or weren’t hitting the ball well I could see sitting him for a more offensively gifted player, but that’s not the case.
as i mentioned further down in this fanpost, the cubs need to be patient with Pie.
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by mjk83 on May 13, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he could ever get it together they should bat like this
1 pie
2 fukudome
3 lee
4 soriano
5 aram
6 soto
7 theriot
8 Derosa
9 pitcher
maybe swap Aram and Soriano
again it only works if Pie can get on base.
I still cant fathom why Soriano is ever leading off.
and even if Pie doesnt hit, why not put Fukudome (the guy who gets on base but doesnt have a ton of power) at the top and put Soriano (guy with power but cant get on base a lot) in an RBI spot?
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
I’m not saying he’s still a great hitter. But bear in mind that San Diego’s park is an extreme pitcher’s park and he’s something of a fly ball hitter.
I was looking at his stats earlier and he was something like 3 for 33 there. Away he was hitting something like .230 with an OPS of .630, which isn’t great, but isn’t necessarily end of the career. Heck, Aaron Miles has made a career of an OPS like that.
It’s actually fascinating – as a team, the Padres are hitting .215 at home, with a .606 OPS. Away, it’s not much better, .248 and .692, but I can’t imagine any hitter wanting to play there full time.
Start Ludwick
by DiscoJer on May 13, 2008 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
Miles is a platoon infielder. Edmonds slugged better than .630 for a couple years, and OPSed around 1.000 for five. Aaron Miles has made a career of playing more than one position and being a good contact hitter, for what those are worth. His .679 OPS isn’t what’s keeping him in the league.
But yeah, he’ll probably fare a little better with the Cubs.
by jdub176 on May 13, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find this to be an odd statement from the Sun Times article
“Edmonds was dumped unceremoniously by the St. Louis Cardinals last winter in a trade for minor-league third baseman David Freese and is motivated by the opportunity to help a division rival beat his old team.”
Dumped unceremoniously??? Is this the writer trying to stir something up or is this how Jimmy really feels? I mean Jim was asking for a trade and Mo gave him one, to a team close to his home no less and we ate $2 million of his salary. I don’t think that is being dumped unceremoniously. Sure there could be more to the story of Jimmy getting traded, but I didn’t sense any ill feelings by Jimmy to the Cardinals other than maybe not wanting to play mind games with Larussa any more.
I would love to see a interview with Jimmy after he signs with the Cubs to get his real feelings on this situation.
by KYCards on May 13, 2008 2:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe that's all the writer
Hell. I remember 1 home game on FSN were Jimmy called the booth to say hi to everyone. (he was still on the disabled list.) I don’t think he holds much ill will thwards the Cardinals.
by Evilfrog on May 13, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to wait til after retires.
I’m sure he’ll spin it some way while on the Cubs. He’s not going to tell the truth when he needs to please Cubs fans.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 13, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here I thought tonight's loss was bad...
this has to be, without a doubt, one of the worst things I have ever read on the internet.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on May 13, 2008 5:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heartbroke
I agree!!! I know there is no crying in baseball, but this is twice I have shed tears!! PLEASE Jimmy anywhere but Chi, I just can’t take that! As much as I hate to say it, I thought NOTHING would ever make me not root for my beloved 15! This might just do it!!
by Redbird Emt on May 13, 2008 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sabotage
maybe he’s signing on as a sabotage. either way, we probably wont be able to tell the difference
by cd on May 13, 2008 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I figured there would be discussion here at VEB about Edmonds to the Cubs...
I don’t want him. It has nothing to do with the fact that he was a Cardinal and everything to do with the fact that I just don’t see him turning things around. Would getting out of Petco Park help his numbers a bit ? Probably, but I still don’t want him. At this point I’d rather see Felix Pie out there everyday. Let the kid play on a daily basis and try figure it out.
and in response to KYCARDS: The Sun Times is a rag. Definitely not worth reading. My guess is they were just trying to stir something up.
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by mjk83 on May 13, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it really.........
Pie is way better defensively at this time and like you said mjk83 it’s not like the Cubbies will get the old Edmonds, heck even if Jim get’s a little hot streak he is bound to get hurts and he missed spring training with a leg injury and with his wide stance he depends on his legs a ton.
It is a no risk for the Cubs but they are hurting Pie’s development at this time. Lou just does not seem to have much time/patience for Pie. I understand Lou and the Cubs are in a win now mode but I would think Pie is a future player the need to bring along.
by ICbirdfan on May 13, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie needs to play day in and day out.
The kid has the defensive skills and the speed. He just needs to get things figured out at the plate. I like pointing to Dustin Pedroia as an example of what could happen if you give the kid a shot. Early on the kid wasn’t hitting his weight, but they stuck with him and allowed him to work through his problems and I’d say things turned out ok. Obviously for every Dustin Pedroia there are a ton of Hee Sop Choi’s and Bobby Hills, but the point is, that you won’t know if you don’t give him a shot.
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by mjk83 on May 13, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I don't know why you would . . .
the only reason I can think of signing him is to put even more heat into the rivalry—which it surely will. Otherwise, he’s not nearly as worthwhile as Pie. Dumb move, Hendry. If anything, it might end up helping us. Ah, wouldn’t that be ironic . . .
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 13, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is not signing with the Cubs
he will be signing with the Rays. he will do it this week just to make sure all of us that got tickets for the padres series will be able to bid him adieu like we originally planned
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on May 13, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's official
Edmonds to the Cubs pending a physical.
All together now…..
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by timmycardinals on May 14, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
- He’s terrible now. Why do the Cubs want him?
- This makes my Edmonds jersey feel obsolete.
- This pisses off Cardinals fandom, including a lot of his restaurant’s patrons.
- This pisses off Cubs fandom, which almost unanimously detests him.
Why do the Cubs want him? Why does he want the Cubs? This is all silly.
by mojowo11 on May 15, 2008 6:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Been watching and waiting and it’s sort of sad in a selfish way. I wanted Jimmy Baseball to retire after last year as a Card. I can understand his still wanting to play though, heck he’s only 2 years removed from putting up good numbers, that has to be hard to accept that it might be over so quickly.
How will the Sea of Red respond to his first AB in Busch with Cubbie Blue on? Should make for good TV.
by paposse on May 15, 2008 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I’m elated. On so many levels.
1.) They were going for a left handed bat, Lou specifically. Them ending up with Edmonds isn’t a bad thing. He’s a known quanity. I would much rather them get Jimmy over someone who can hit from the left, ala Roberts. This should quiet Lou and thus hopefully keep them from getting someone who can really hurt us. By adding Jimmy they may be less aggressive in the market.
2.) We can pitch to Edmonds, not just because his bat has been as quick as hit foot speed, but because if anyone knows Jimmy, it’s us. Therefore it’s a hole in a lineup that doesn’t carry too many holes.
3.) They are now creating opportunity costs internally. Unless Jimmy goes on the DL, Pie is now going to be blocked. That may not hurt them as much this year as it may next year. Common adage is that Pie needs to see more pitches in the MLB level, not less.
4.) With our slap stick hitters, I’m liking the idea of a slow CF to play against.
5.) The Cubs already went into a pressure cooker this year due to the 100 year mark, but having someone who’s had adverse issues with this team specifically may disrupt what they can bring to the table internally.
In short, Jimmy may be wearing the birds on the bat while donning the blue. Sadly enough they just don’t know it.
He didn’t want to platoon, that gave us Freese and enough money to cover the difference in the Rolen/Glaus trade. Freese is building to be a consideration when Glaus’s contract is up post ‘09. That is a win win.
He didn’t give us an opportunity cost which allowed us to get Barton to fill the void. Now Barton may be a little lethargic with the bat as of late, but it’ll improve if there’s more playing time. Barton was worth it.
He’s not costing skip or ludwick playing time. Which he may if Rick was in right when he played.
There’s nothing not to like about how the Jimmy situation played out, all but the fact that there seems to be a lack of loyalty.
But we know Jimmy, he wants to play. Which is why he wanted to leave us. He couldn’t finish his career as a backup and productive veteran that helped our younger core. He sought more playing time, and frankly I think he also sought playing for a winning team which on paper the Padres looked to be doing this year.
Now he’s going to be playing for another team that looks good on paper as a winning team. Jimmy does what Jimmy wants. The Cubs are probably the only true contenders that gave him a call. He’s chasing rings.
It’s fair to say that we’ve picked up quite a few guys who inturn screwed their team over by coming here. We weren’t Philly favs when we got Drew, Keith with the Mets, even Marlin fans weren’t all too happy with Edgar up and gone. Who, may I remind that he left the Marlins two years after a world series win when they bottomed out the last year.. just like Jimmy.
I’ve never considered Jimmy a show boat, never considered him a problem in the club house. But no where in my mind did I ever consider him to be loyal.
Just be glad it’s not the Jimmy of old over there.
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All that being said
I want Pie. I really do.
He’s damn quick, has a solid arm, and is a great defender. If you’ve paid attention to him coming up he looks and smells like a late bloomer. He’s now getting blocked. IMO they’re going to ruin his development track. We’d never get him because we’re in the division, obviously. But I’d slide him in Memphis with Mather and Rassa
But I for one, would love to see a Rassa, Ank, Pie rotation in the OF. It would be like losing Jimmy one year, and gaining not one, not two, but three Jimmys in the same OF two years later. Drool.
That’s conditioned on his bat developing, which I think it will. Every night would be a highlight reel from those three. Then you add ludwick to the mix and you have a solid four. It would hurt Skip and Barton future. I don’t know if it would hamper Duncan, as if we contend.. next year, if not later this year he’ll get some decent time on 1B unless we fill that one up till Albert is back.
If nothing else, we have 7 OF that would be easily avail for trade chips.
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said….well said.
i really like jimmy but i think we made the right move this winter.
I won’t root against Jimmy, but I won’t root for his team either.
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by jodicards on May 15, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rofl @ sweet lou on where Jimmy is hitting in the lineup
“He’s going to hit ninth,” manager Lou Piniella said facetiously in a reference to the Cardinals’ batting order. “I’m going to move the pitcher to eighth and hit him ninth.”
by rmtx97 on May 15, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Well, when they have Z batting, they may want to put Edmonds down in the 9th hole anyways, because he’ll represent the true pitchers batting lines.
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Class
or at least something that rhymes with it…
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's Jim Edmonds?
After watching Ankiel make that play to rob the Pirates of a homer, the name Jim Edmonds sounds familiar, but I can’t quite place it.
by jomfa on May 15, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or
the first inning a couple of nights ago, or the other 10 web gems he’s made. Not counting the massive assists he’s had (including the two in a gamer).
It’s kinda odd actually. Rick goes on fire in Memphis about the same time Jimmy goes cold with us. Jimmy now hits as if he was a veteran pitcher.
Rick looks like the old Jimmy, they both are streaky hitters and heavy strikeout potential when cold. When hot every contact is solid, hard and deep.
We may be watching a reincarnation of Jimmy, in the form of Rick Ankiel.
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel sick
This sickens me in my stomach
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by cardsfan84 on May 15, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, buddy.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 15, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great quote by Mariotti:
Know what amuses me about Cubdom? If Jim Edmonds rips a game-winning home run today, 40,000 fans will develop instant amnesia about why they hate him. They’ll jump, scream, dance, bow, shimmy, do the Soulja Boy thing, demand a curtain call, scream louder when he doffs his blue cap, sing “Go Cubs Go” and vanish merrily into a Wrigleyville afternoon while reminding their friends, “Dude, I told you Edmonds was a good pickup.”
This was on Bleed Cubbie Blue.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 15, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it sucks

But remember this, and it’s not that bad. I like to think of him as a double agent bringing down the Cubs from the inside.
by JI on May 15, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to say
what a disgusting joke this is.
its all wrong. Its wrong for Cards fans, its wrong for the Cubs fans.
I know many Cubs fans hate him and are already making fun of him.
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and the worst part is
that its at least likely that the last thing to happen to him in his MLB career is to be released by the Cubs.
Its just hard when you have a loyalty to a player and you wish them well even after they are gone, and have stuck up for them, and cheered them and then they actively seek out your biggest rival to “stick it to the Cardinals” (or so says Maddux).
This is why you just cant be loyal to players anymore, just teams, because these guys dont care. They dont care about these teams or these fans…
they arnt Stan and Red who will stick around for years, the rivalry means nothing to them and so does the team.
and its not like the Cards did anything wrong to Edmonds either.
They have a center fielder of the future in the Minors, and Ank up here. On top of that Edmonds was terrible last year. The production from the spots he hit in many times (4th 5th) were worst or next to worst in the league, and he wasnt getting to balls like he used to. Its not like the team kicked him out the door, but they said he would have to split time and maybe mentor some of these guys for the future and he got pissed and asked to be traded…and now he wants to stick it to us in a Cubs uniform?
Geez, people seem to hate Izzy but he has stuck around and been a man. look at 2006 when it looked like he was done, what did he do? Manned up and helped Waino out. Wainwright is a better pitcher and we have a world series winner in our new park partially because of it. Izzy has always taken the beating like a man, took responsibility and has been a team player.
So we are booing Izzy and we are cool with Edmonds?
I dont get it.
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how you can blame Edmonds for wanting to hang on with whoever will give him a job.
It’s not like a demanded a trade to the Cubs. Sure, we don’t like it, but this doesn’t make me think any less of him.
by JI on May 15, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what Maddox said
he wanted to sign with the Cubs to stick it to the Cards.
that is not just trying to play with any team who would have had him.
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I read that too
and think Maddux is just being a loyal ex-Cub and trying to get Jimmy in good graces with the other fifteen percent.
Wouldn’t make sense for him to be bitter towards the organization or the fans.
by liam on May 15, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u
u not o
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are all missing the obvious reason
jimmy went to the cubs. he missed betty
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on May 15, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From Bernies column
“He feels like he has something left to give this game,” Cardinals outfielder Skip Schumaker said. “I’m happy for him. I still think he can play. I don’t think he was ready to hang it up yet.”And then Schumaker said something that stings: “I think he could have picked a few different teams he could have played for.”
That’s right, Jimmy Baseball wanted to be a Cub.
He didn’t have to be a Cub — he volunteered.
and yes, i know im acting irrationally (im a fan), ill probably come to terms with it and just be depressed and try to remember the past
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
work this time you link
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by jealousblues on May 15, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As a lifelong Cub fan living close to STL
I loathed the idea of having a washed up Jim Edmonds on my team when there is no plausible gap he can fill. Everyone keeps using the phrase “we’re hoping he still has something left in the tank.” I can think of 2 people who we don’t have to hope still have something left in the tank….Pie and Reed Johnson.
I’ve watched thousands of Cardinals games over the years living in Cardinal territory and admired Jim Edmonds, even as a Cub fan, because he left everything out on the field every night. But then something started to change. Instead of being clutch, he became an easy out. He still made a dazzling play from time to time, but not nearly as frequently. It was sad to see his transition from a human highlight reel to what he is now…an aged player holding on to the past. Most people are shocked it happened so fast, but nonetheless it was inevitable. He gave Cards fans, even Cubs fans, many amazing memories, but what he gives us now is just a bad taste in our mouths. He can change his team from STL to SD to CHI but he can’t change his age. He’s lost a step you don’t get back by changing your uniform. I think the entire baseball world wishes well for Jimmy, but wishes don’t make you the ball player you were 5 years ago. When they invent the fountain of youth or the time machine, Jimmy Edmonds is one of the players I’d like to see in it. But alas, we are stuck with this current situation and the only thing to do is shake your head in dis-belief and then return to what is most important, your team. For better or worse, Jim Edmonds is a Chicago Cub. Don’t worry Cards fans, hell hasn’t frozen over yet. If we win the World Series, then Hell is frozen over. :-)
I'm kind of a big deal
by chi-townbleacherbum on May 15, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What comes around goes around
Remember in the past we had 80’s Cubs fan favorites Lee Smith, Shawon Dunston and Rick Sutcliffe towards the end of their careers wearing birds on the bat. So I guess we had it coming that one of our favorites would wear a Cubs uniform at some point.
by KYCards on May 16, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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