fuzzy math
if the cards had gotten competent bullpenning, some of you are saying, they’d be 5-2 on the current road trip and playing for a series win tonight, instead of 3-4 and needing a win to break even on the trip. that’s true as far as it goes --- but it’s also true that the cards very easily might find themselves 1-6 on the current trip, and staring up at the cubs. 2 of their 3 wins came in their last at-bat (monday at colorado and saturday at milwaukee), and in both of those games the opposing team had the go-ahead run on 3d with 1 out in the bottom of the 8th but couldn’t bring him home. st louis got both wins by the skin of their teeth; if they can salvage a win tonight behind wainwright and go home with a pair of splits, i don’t suppose we can really complain. that’d be a good trip.
it doesn’t seem as if they’ve scored a lot of runs on this road trip, only 29 in 7 games. but in truth that’s not drastically below their season average --- 4.1 runs a game on the trip, vs 4.5 runs/game overall. their slash lines on the trip (.282 / .359 / .420) are an almost perfect match for their season-long figures (.278 / .368 / .414). so why does it seem as if they’ve squandered one opportunity after another? well, the truth is they have: they’re 13 for 62 on this trip with RISP, a .210 average, and they’ve lost a passel of runners on the basepaths (including 4 yesterday). those two factors explain why the cards have underperformed by 5 runs on this trip, according to bill james’ runs created formula --- their inputs yield an estimate of 34 runs, vs the 29 actually scored. per dave smyth’s Base Runs formula (which is more accurate in small sample sizes like this one), the cards have underperformed by 8 runs on the road trip --- more than one a game. it turns out that’s a season-long pattern:
| runs | RC | BR |
|---|---|---|
| 177 | 197 | 206 |
the cardinals are not wringing full value out of their offensive accomplishments; the offense as a whole is less than the sum of its parts, and by a sizeable difference --- at least half a run a game. what gives?
the obvious place to look first is hitting with RISP; on this road trip, anyway, lack of timely hitting helps to explain their low run output. but for the entire season we can’t pin the blame there; the team is hitting .270 with RISP, which ranks 5th in the league. it’s true, as houstoncardinal showed a while ago, that they’re not hitting for much sock with men on base --- slugging only .390 --- but the league slugging average with RISP is .392. so something still doesn’t add up here; the number of baserunners the cards put on base is way above average, and with RISP they have an above-average BA and an average SLG. . . . yet they’re still scoring a slightly below-average number of runs per game. whatever’s going on here, it ain’t a lack of timely hitting.
to double-check that conclusion, i looked at runs scored per RISP plate appearance. in the national league as a whole, the average plate appearance with RISP yields .319 runs --- that’s 2051 runs in 6416 plate appearances, if you’re scoring along at home. the cardinals as a team have scored 143 runs in 452 plate appearances with RISP --- or .316 runs per plate appearance. so they’re plating their fair share of runs in scoring opportunities . . . . . that ain’t the problem.
then what the hell is the problem? i fished around, looking for clues. here’s some of what i found:
- 21 of the cards’ 30 homers have been solo shots, versus only two 3-run homers. that’s right ---- only two 3-run homers all season, and no grand slams. their 30 homers have been worth just 41 runs, or 1.36 runs per homer; the league average is 1.53 runs per homer. with a normal distribution, the cards would have plated 5 more runs via the longball. i don’t expect this pattern to change, and here’s why: teams won’t pitch to pujols with men on base. 5 of his 7 homers have been solo shots this year; the other two were the team’s lonely pair of 3-run jobs. no other cardinal has hit a 3-run homer this season. (paging mr. glaus; paging mr. duncan . . . . ) by the way, 7 of ryan ludwick’s 8 homers have been solo shots, and 5 have come in low-leverage game situations (a spread of 4 runs or more). without looking at any data, i’d have to guess that he’s just whacking fastballs out of the park --- bases empty; lopsided score; what the hell, here’s your pitch big fellah --- but he’s not seeing those pitches in rbi situations. ankiel, in case you’re wondering, has 4 solo shots and two 2-run shots.
- the cards are dead last in the league in baserunners reached via error --- they’ve only had 10 gift baserunners, or one per 154 plate appearances. the league average is one per 95 plate appearances. at a normal rate, the cardinals would have 16 reached-on-errors (ROEs), worth about an extra 4 runs.
- the cards lead the league in grounding into double plays, which isn’t surprising --- they put lots of men on base and hit lots of groundballs. the cards have had 550 plate appearances with a man on first base this year, all-inclusive --- ie, man on first only, first + second, first + third, and bases loaded --- and 40 of them ended in double plays, or one per 13.8 plate appearances. the league as a whole GIDPs only once per 16.5 pa. at a normal GIDP rate, the cardinals would have saved 7 outs / baserunners, or about 5 runs.
- while the cards are scoring at a normal rate with RISP as a whole, that is not true with respect to scoring men from 3d base with less than 2 outs. the nl as a whole is scoring .61 runs for every plate appearance with a man on 3d and less than two outs, but the cards are scoring only .55 runs per PA, which ranks 14th among the 16 nl teams --- and about 5 runs below average. now this gets a bit fuzzy, because a single PA in this situation can be worth more than one run ---- e.g., you might have guys on 2d and 3d with nobody out, and the batter migh hit a single and drive them both in. it’s possible that the cards, via random chance, have had fewer multi-run scoring opportunities in this situational split; it’s possible this is all noise. but here’s one last consideration for you: the cardinals rank next-to-last in the league in sacrifice flies. only the rockies have hit fewers. the cards have had 85 sac-fly opportunities and only 7 sac flies, or 1 per 12 opportunities. the league average is 1 sac fly per 8 opportunities. the cards ought to have 3 or 4 more sac flies than they do. now, it doesn’t necessarily follow that they stranded all of those un-sac-flied baserunners ---- maybe they simply drove them in via groundball or basehit, rather than via the flyball. there’s so much noise here that i hesitate to jot down a run value, but i do think this is interesting and worth paying attn to.
items:
- the 1986 cardinals had a 6-1 lead in game 4 of their nlcs tilt against houston; a win would have put them up 3-1 in the series. but they gave up 3 in the 8th and 2 in the 9th, lost it in the 13th . . . . ouch. game 5 is tonight.
- here's joe sheehan's paean to jim edmonds at BP (subscriber only).
- also for BP subscribers: dayn perry asks if the cards are for real . answer? nyet.
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Glaus is starting to worry me
My “patience, it’s only April” mantra doesn’t apply anymore. I wonder if he often gets off to a slow start.
by sdrone on May 12, 2008 8:59 AM EDT 0 recs
Typically
he is a slow starter, but more importantly, he is one of the streakiest hitters you’ll ever see. Hopefully he’ll get rolling here shortly….if not, could spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E!
by joecardsfan on
May 12, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
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Retraction
Actually he starts off April/March quite strong – he hits his highest average during that month. And he has hit his most HRs in April and May. Here are his splits.
by joecardsfan on
May 12, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
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Glaus
is starting to worry me as well. His defense has been really good, but he is starting to conjure up the ghosts of Tino Martinez and Andres Galarraga during their Cardinal stints.
by KYCards on
May 12, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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Nice work as always Larry,
what do you think that the team can do to REALISTICLY remedy this situation? I just do not see any magic wand or unknown trade in this seasons future to fix or repair our lineup. I’d love to hear a realistic plan of action.
Steriods is...is bad.
by Handsome Jimmy on May 12, 2008 9:18 AM EDT 0 recs
Im a day late and a dollar short as usual getting here, but this ties a bow on the offensive situation….... well stated with numbers to back it up as usual! Now like HJ says above where to go from here?
Im guessing patience until at least the 1-2 week of June on both the closer situation and offensive struggle before we see any real lasting impact type changes. Playing dumb on the bases sure doesnt help. Glaus and Duncan better find some pop in their bats pretty damn quick, if they hit Albert will hit.
by cardschinmusic on
May 13, 2008 5:53 AM EDT
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Baserunning
It was nice to see La Russa admit his bad call, which was calling for a hit and run with a guy who can’t run (Glaus) and a guy who can’t hit (Larue). However, I was troubled by Pujols’ blanket defense of his baserunning, saying in so many words, “I play aggressive”. I haven’t looked at any data, but I’m wondering if Pujols’ is running more aggressively (foolishly) this year than in years past, or is he just getting caught (or unlucky) more often. Relatedly, I wonder if his reputation for aggressive baserunning has his opponents prepared for some of his decision-making. Just thinking out loud.
Yesterday’s game smarts less because the team simply did not play well enough to deserve a win. Friday just kills because despite leaving tons of runners on base we still entered the final frame with a lead. Let’s go Wagonmaker!
by DesiBird on May 12, 2008 9:20 AM EDT 0 recs
Pujols Aggressiveness
Pujols always gets credit when he takes the extra base, like he did against Colorado last week, but his outs on the basepaths seem to go unnoticed. I don’t know if there is data available, but it seems for each extra base he takes running aggressively, he makes an out running foolishly.
JOSE OQUENDO!!!
by Sect163 on
May 12, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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I posted something like this in the open thread, and ...
I basically got blasted for it. It seems as though the Colorado play has emboldened him to the point of foolishness. I completely agree with the reason he got thrown out at 3B, he was drawing the throw so Kennedy could score. However, a few games ago he should have been picked off 2B; and there were fewer than two outs. He was already in scoring position. It didn’t make sense to take the extensive secondary lead. Then, last night he got picked off of 1B without good cause. I know they’re having trouble scoring, but it seems like he is getting TOO aggressive.
I don’t typically criticize his baserunning or approach at the plate. That said, some seem to think that it is sacreligious to do so at all. In general, I think his aggressive approach at the plate, in the field, and on the bases generates more good things than bad. It is still possible that he is starting to cross that threshold.
by etp_stl on
May 12, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
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no, you are absolutely correct
nothing makes me more angry than seeing outs given away on the basepaths. Albert ran us out of two rallies yesterday and there is no excuse for that.
I’ve seen some people say it was a good move to get thrown out going to third so that Kennedy could score—that is bull. If Kennedy can’t score without giving up an out, he needed to be held at third. In the game yesterday, he would have been safe even if the throw had gone through, so it was a totally wasted out.
The only time it might be a good move is in close and late situations.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 12, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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I don't know that it was necessary ...
for Pujols to try to draw the throw last night, but I’ve seen him do that repeatedly over the last few years. I guess I have a soft spot for players that think that way. I loved watching Larry Walker deke players on balls hit to RF that he knew he couldn’t catch. Maybe it’s not always necessary, but that kind of aggression may also cause errors by the other team.
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May 12, 2008 7:04 PM EDT
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I'll take 4-4
On a 8 game road trip. Lets go Wainwright!
Speaking of soloshot home runs. I called Ludwick’s last night. I was over at my buddies out watching the game after working on my car. I turned to him and said, “You know, It’s time for one of Ludwicks trademark solo shots right here.” Next pitch there it went…
Honestly though. I just hope the Cardinal’s came come out somwhere around 10 games above .500 when May is over. Cubs sweeping the Diamondbacks is scarey. But we can’t worry about that.
by Evilfrog on May 12, 2008 9:53 AM EDT 0 recs
come for the stats and insight... stay for the vocab lesson.
today’s words are brought to you by the letter P:
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I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.
by _pistol_ on May 12, 2008 9:58 AM EDT 0 recs
What can we expect from Wainright tonight?
This guy is really having to carry the load so far this year. For the most part, he’s handled it really well. But how long can he be expected to be the stopper?
I hope he stays within himself tonight and doesn’t try to force things.
I’d be thrilled with 7 innings and 3 runs allowed.
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
by 82Special on May 12, 2008 10:34 AM EDT 0 recs
I expect Wainer to pitch well like top of the line pitchers are expected to do..........
Ted Lilly had some ridiculos amount of wins/quality starts last year for the Cubs to stop losing streaks. If Wainer is what we think he is I expect a solid outing from him something around 7 innings of work.
by ICbirdfan on
May 12, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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yeah.
I don’t see any reason not to expect the Norm or better from Wainwright.
by Evilfrog on
May 12, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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WHIP is .95
Wainwright is a stud. I don’t worry about him. I worry that we’ll not score.
OT: is Albert’s day off tonight’s game?
by gocards62 on
May 12, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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according to the RotoWorld sidebar,
yes, it is. Looks like Dunc the Yunger will be displaying his 1st base prowess tonight.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
May 12, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
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I've heard
The Giants are looking for a first baseman
by Merry CRasmus on
May 12, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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I was actually going to include that into my post
but, I figured I would let yall have some fun with it :-p
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on
May 12, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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They need some left-handed power, don't they?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on
May 12, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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The Cards NEED
Messers. Glaus and Duncan to start providing “Doctor Longball”... I think Tony’s current batting order (with Kennedy/Miles hitting second) makes sense, if only to break up the singles hitters at the bottom of the lineup.
The guys who can run (Barton, Ankiel, Izturis, Schumaker, and Ryan) aren’t effective base stealers—at least not yet! Iz2ris has a sub-standard 62% success rate, while the others I’ve mentioned don’t have enough attempts to get a “read” on their effectiveness.
Tony prefers the hit-and-run to the straight steal (when he doesn’t have Rickey Henderson, anyway)... but the Birds have been victimized by swing-and-miss batters hitting behind the guys who can run. While Kennedy would seem to be a good hit-and-run candidate, ya don’t wanna leave first base open with Albert at the dish!
Let’s hope Young Dunc’s bombs are a portent of things to come… and that Glaus can swing the bat freely with that bunged-up forearm!
The Wagonmaker always gives me confidence that the Cardinals will have a good chance of winning any game he starts; and Mr. Bush has been abused by the rest of the League this season. A 4-4 road swing (with four of those games being in the un-friendly confines of Coors Field) would suit me just fine.
Don’t worry about what the Cubs (or anybody else in the division) is doing—worry about how many game you can put yourself over .500!
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on May 12, 2008 10:42 AM EDT 0 recs
Oh no. Cubs are apparently
doing “due diligence” as Edmonds clears waivers according to local radio. Man just seeing him in the uniform would make me want to smack someone.
by sdrone on May 12, 2008 10:57 AM EDT 0 recs
Well.........
The Cubs do really need another LH bat with POP and they don’t want to play Felix Pie everyday and they don’t want Reed Johnson in CF everyday either.
I guess they can’t lose by seeing what Edmonds has left, however I just think Jimmy is done.
by ICbirdfan on
May 12, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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+1
I would hate to see him in a Cubs uniform, but most likely it wouldn’t be for long anyway with how he’s been playing of late…
by saladdays on
May 12, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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if it's any consolation
it must have killed them to see Shawon Dunston in a Cardinals uniform his last year or two (I forget how long Dunstan played for the Cardinals)
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
May 12, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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or Lou Brock
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert
by BigMOman on
May 12, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
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or Lee Smith
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on
May 12, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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you could go with Sutter, too
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on
May 12, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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Yeah...
I don’t think that Edmonds meets that need of a LH bat with pop. The guy is toast as far as being a legit power threat goes.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
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May 12, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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I really hope they don't sign him
although my reasons are more selfish. I was at the Braves/Padres game on Thursday, and decided to record Jimmy’s AB. I didn’t realize at the time that it could have been his last MLB AB. He grounded out to 2nd, but I still think it’s cool to have a recording of his last AB.
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by Mr Redbird on
May 12, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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as i said in the fanpost,
i love jimmy, but if he’s a cub, he’s dead to me.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on
May 12, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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While Dayn Perry is the dolt from Fox Sports
he is somewhat right, the Cardinals aren’t very legit. Alongside what larry pointed out today, the Cardinals have burned out their bullpen. By ‘grinding’ seemingly every game, the bullpen is put in high pressure situations every day. And while the offense seems to hit into a bunch of bad luck, the total lack of XBH is, as Dusty would say, clogging the bases.
There are ways of fixing this. Trying to steal bases instead of always hitting and running.
But, unless this team very quickly figures out how to score all those baserunners it can’t seem to do, this downward slide by the club will probably continue.
by Hardcore Legend on May 12, 2008 11:22 AM EDT 0 recs
downward slide?
Wait, going on an 8 game road trip to Coors Field and Miller park and coming back home with a 4-4 or 3-5 record is a “slide”?
Had they gotten their butts kicked in for 7 of 8 games and losing games 10-0 and 14-5 would be a slide—you know, like certain stretches of 2007!!!
With WW on the hill today, hopefully they can grab a split in Milwaukee, which will allow them to grab some momentum going into the Pittsburgh series.
Going in, I think we all know that this team was going to have problems scoring runs, and that was with most of us assuming that Duncan would return to April 2007 form and Glaus would provide better production at the three sack than we got last year out of Rolen. Ludwick and Ankiel have started well and picked up some slack, Schu has played well, Barton has done really well in limited AB’s, and the pitching has been fantastic to this point. Because of all this I believe that we are expecting more and, therefore, hoping this team is going to continue playing over it’s head.
We’ve only lost on series all year, let’s see how they bounce back against a weaker schedule this week with Pittsburgh and hope they play well against a suddenly hot Tampa team this weekend.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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Don't forget Yadi
hitting .301 is a HUGE upside. Now if we could just find a backup to spell him that could hit at least as well as Izz2. . .
by gocards62 on
May 12, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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Not concerned...
about Larue—he plays once a week, and nothing about Tony’s past handling of backup catchers makes me think that’s going to change. It’s not like Bennett set the world on fire last year, and Larue is quite a bit better behind the plate.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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Milwaukee and Colorado were playing horrible
baseball and the Cardinals let them steal 4 wins. Milwaukee hadn’t won a game in a week and Colorado had lost 16 of 20 or something awful like that.
With the soft schedule the Cardinals have played, 4-4 on the roadtrip is a let down.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 12, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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in other words
Both of those ballclubs were probably due to have a few good nights ahead of them - the Rockies are much better than a 4-16 stretch, and we all know that Milwaukee hasn’t had anybody hitting all year outside of Kendall and Hart. I’ll take a split on the road with those two teams because we took both series from them at home. If they can play at a .580 clip at home and have a .500 record on the road….well that works out to about 90 wins - around 10 more than most people expected them to win, and probably enough to keep them in the division hunt until the last week of the season.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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Good observation
We’ve seen a LOT of hit & run, which puts batters’ focus on contact & not power. And as Goaler pointed out, our younger guys may have potential as basestealers. Seeing more fastballs as a consequence might help power hitting as well.
And less bunting might help, especially early in the game. Drives me nuts. Play for one run & that’s all you’ll get.
by random on
May 12, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
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The pirates have a doubleheader
with the Braves today before coming into St louis tomorrow. That should help, unless the Cards get mixed up in some long extra inning affair today and wear out their bullpen. Hope Wainwright can give at least a good seven.
by ridgesee on May 12, 2008 11:23 AM EDT 0 recs
And to add
Thing might look even more bleak after next weekend. Don’t look for anything but a tough series from the Rays next weekend, while the Cubs will have the lowly Pirates at home.
by ridgesee on May 12, 2008 11:29 AM EDT 0 recs
One idea to boost production...
Keep Duncan on the bench, keep Ankiel in the lineup.
"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"
by rockin the red on May 12, 2008 11:32 AM EDT 0 recs
agreed
Duncan should really only be playing limited duty right now—getting pinch hit AB’s in the late innings until Ludwick or Schumaker begin to slump.
It’s awful hard to keep Duncan’s .380 OBP out of the lineup though—even when he’s not hitting he’s getting on base…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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.380 OBP
With the potential for a power surge at any time.
We need some roundtrippers.
by bgh on
May 12, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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That's true...
but the guy he’s been platooning with is leading the team in homers and has a higher OBP…the problem stems from having to play Skip in the outfield.
I’d almost like to see this lineup to see if this helps the run scoring problems:
1. Kennedy 2B
2. Duncan LF
3. Pujols 1B
4. Ankiel CF
5. Ludwick RF
6. Glaus 3B
7. Molina C
8. Pitcher
9. Izturis/Ryan SS
I don’t like Kennedy in the leadoff spot - but I just don’t know what else you do to get the most pop in the lineup at one time. What this team really needs is a middle infielder that can hit leadoff - is Brendan Ryan that type of guy? I just don’t know if he is.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
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Concerns
My biggest concerns with Duncan are that he doesn’t seem to be adjusting to how he’s being pitched. Pitchers keep working the inside of the plate on him trying to get in on his hands. Most of his power comes from his ability to get his arms extended and pull the ball over the right center field wall. I would suggest that he either crowd the plate a bit more and take a few balls off the shoulder, or work on getting his hands through the zone quicker to get to the inside pitch
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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Even so
You can’t take Ankiel out of the lineup, and you can’t take Ludwick out of the lineup. A lineup like fourstick’s below would solve both those dilemmas, and I could live with that.
"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"
by rockin the red on
May 12, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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Actually
that would be fourstick’s above
"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"
by rockin the red on
May 12, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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OBP hasn't been our weakness of late
Duncan’s defense has cost us multiple runs & we’re leaving men on base at an alarming rate. His OBP is awesome, but what we could really use is some added power.
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May 12, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
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Dunc's D
I can only think of a couple of times where his defense really cost the Cards any runs. I think his D has actually been a bit better this season as he seems to be taking better routes to balls. Obviously it’s not as good as our other outfielders, but it’s not killing the team to Manny Ramirez proportions yet.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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manny being manny
the manny ramirez comparison is tiresome. if dunc hit like manny, i wouldn’t care how he played defense. unfortunately, he doesn’t/hasn’t.
It could be worse, you could be on fire.
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May 12, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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Wait...
I didn’t compare them—I simply said he’s not near that bad in left field. Agreed, if he hit like Manny I wouldn’t care how he played out there either, but if Manny played at Busch, his liabilites in LF would be much more pronounced than they currently are in Boston with the Monster leaving him less ground to cover.
I think Chris has shown a lot of improvement in the outfield over the last couple of years—he’ll never be a great defensive outfielder, but if he can post replacement level defense and hit with a +.850 OPS then he can play in my outfield anytime.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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For me the tradeoffs are a little different
I don’t think Duncan will ever play “replacement level defense”. We can debate all day long how bad his defense has been or will be, but I can’t think of another outfielder in the last 50 years of Cardinal baseball who has been as bad as Duncan. That being said, the Cardinals have typically had pretty decent outfielders.
I am being fair and assuming that Duncan will perform offensively at a level that is similar to his past performance, maybe even slightly better. The big issue is: will he ever hit lefties? His career numbers against lefties are: .199/.265/.333 and this year (smaller sample) is : .083/.154/.083. With the OFs we have and Rasmus in our future, a platoon outfielder who is a defensive liability really doesn’t (shouldn’t) have a spot on the major league roster.
With our only legitimate lead-off hitters being outfielders (Schumaker, Barton, Rasmus), Duncan has to be compared against Ludwick and Ankiel. They are both far better defensive players who have the skills to play everyday. Unless we can get a MIF to lead-off, Duncan’s role is fifth outfielder and pinch hitter. I am tired of seing Ludwick sit so Duncan can play.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
May 12, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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I'm not convinced that Duncan is that bad
Of course he is bad, when you compare him to a guy like Skip or Luddy, (though he’s outperforming skip in LF by RZR so far) but he looks pretty good when you compare him to Adam Dunn or Pat Burrell or Carlos Lee or Josh Willingham or Wily Mo Pena or Matt Diaz or… the list goes on, but he’s been better than the average NL LF. Even if he does fall down sometimes when he catches the ball.
And even in his early slump, he’s hit as well as the average NL LF. Quite a bit better, actually.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
May 12, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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The thing with Duncan...
is he looks bad defensively. No matter what the defensive stats say, he looks bad out there, so people will rag on him.
Similarly, other players who look smooth while fielding get away with errors and missed balls.
Start Ludwick
by DiscoJer on
May 12, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
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I have been following Cardinal baseball since 1964
and I have never seen an outfielder for the Cardinals who was this bad. I have never seen a major league outfielder miss two catchable fly balls and let a routine grounder go between his legs in the same inning.
I must bow in the direction of RZR, but I don’t think we will ever see Skip removed from LF and Duncan inserted as a defensive replacement.
I will admit that he runs pretty well for a big guy and he has at least an average arm, but he is still a distant fifth in defensive skills among the Cardinals current outfield. Barton’s arm isn’t terrific, but at least he catches the ball and covers quite a bit of ground.
I still say if it comes down to competing with Ankiel and Ludwick for playing time, Duncan should be riding the pine.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on
May 12, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Lil Dunc
Went 3-5 with 3 RBIs and 1 HR in his last two starts.
The whole outfield can make a case for starting.
by Evilfrog on
May 12, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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True...
But if Ludwick, Ankiel, and Duncan are putting up +800 OPS, I don’t see how Skip can keep getting playing time…that’s going to be a tough decision for Tony.
There’s too many singles hitters in the lineup to keep legtimate power hitters on the bench
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
May 12, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
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Not to beat a dead horse
I’ve always liked Izzy, even with his flair for the dramatic. That said, the reason you pay a closer $8M is to “shorten the game.” A closer taking home that kind of coin ought to be able to hold a lead and he didn’t in two games . That is a glaring problem and the one that sticks in the collective craw of Cardinal Nation. Watching the Cards snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, especially with your veteran closer on the hill stays with you a lot longer than the ‘pen holding onto a win.
Another area of concern is scoring a few runs early and then doing nothing for the final 2/3 of the game.
A split on a road swing through the defending NL champs and Milwaukee would be pretty nice.
by bgh on May 12, 2008 11:40 AM EDT 0 recs
I'm not sure if anyone posted on this yesterday, but
...the slovenly French Canadian is no longer the Brew Crew’s closer.
The Brewers yanked Eric Gagne from the closer’s role on Sunday after the reliever called his latest performance embarrassing and said he didn’t feel he deserved to pitch the ninth anymore.Manager Ned Yost said he read Gagne’s comments and will use a closer by committee approach while Gagne takes what Yost called a “mental break.”
by bgh on May 12, 2008 11:46 AM EDT 0 recs
Yost
He can’t help but copy LaRussa in everything now.
by saladdays on
May 12, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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I bet...
The crappy sunglasses all the time are next, followed by the massive stack of note cards. I bet after that he’ll bench one guy, probably his third baseman (lookout Bill Hall!) for being hurt, which will develop into a massive bru-ha-ha that leads to that player being traded for his long lost twin of a player. Oh, and he’ll probably make a portion of the Milwaukee fan base mad by juggling his lineup like a madman.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
